Vaccinated

[CCL]

Can someone explain, if you've already had Covid why would you need the vaccine?

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 31, 2021 10:20:22 GMT -5 CCL said:

Can someone explain, if you've already had Covid why would you need the vaccine?

Because it is believed that you are only protected for a few months (I’ve read 3-5 months). I’m 6 mo the out and got the vaccine. After what I went though, I don’t think I would survive another bout with Covid

[oped]

CDC says yes.

“ Yes. Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that re-infection with COVID-19 is possible, vaccine should be offered to you regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 infection.”

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

[tractor]

I think we will ultimately see the COVID vaccine become an annual thing, just like the flu vaccine. This is based on my complete lack of scientific knowledge or medical background. I think as more variants evolve, changes in an annual booster will be required.

[pulmonarymd]

Jan 31, 2021 10:20:22 GMT -5 CCL said:

Can someone explain, if you've already had Covid why would you need the vaccine?

Because we do not know how effective a prior infection is in keeping you from getting it again. You may not need it, but if your immunity wanes, you become susceptible again, and we prolong the pandemic. It is not worth the risk to find out the answer

[Artemis Windsong]

Jan 31, 2021 10:20:22 GMT -5 CCL said:

Can someone explain, if you've already had Covid why would you need the vaccine?

Because immunity to covid does not last after having it.  I don't remember how long my immunity will last.  I do know I cannot get a vaccine until the end of February.  I hope the bottlenecks and issues getting an appointment are resolved.  Or my MD or pharmacy is set up.

Even with a flu vaccine, a person can get a different strain.

H. cannot find any open appointments.  Neither of us are 75 so we are in the 1B group.

My cousin in WY said they had a drive through inoculation site for anyone.  A much small population.

Also, I have had 3 pneumonia shots.  I don't know if they were any help with this bought of covid pneumonia.  I was also asked about the shingle shots.  I've had 3.  The early one and the one where 2 are needed.

[raeoflyte]

We're in Colorado. Both my parents and in-laws have all had their first shot with appointments for their 2nd.

My mom is the highest risk. She is hospitalized for flu and random colds every few years and is oxygen dependent, plus an autoimmune disorder. Her first shot was an ordeal (just getting it, not side effects). Dozens of old people with breathing issues standing outside in the cold for an hour. Dad was vaccinated at the same place yesterday and they've switched to drive thru, went smoothly.

I'm very relieved. Dh is trying to get an appointment. One of his coworkers was able to, so hopefully he'll be able to get an appointment.

[Artemis Windsong]

There was not much information on the news report and I'm not tracking information real well. Nursing homes are using an antibody vaccine. Anyone know anything?

www.yahoo.com/gma/antibody-therapies-may-cut-deaths-100458932.html

[Artemis Windsong]

I just saw online that CVS has Covid 19 vaccines in some states and locations. It would be worth checking.

[Mardi Gras Audrey]

I have been stalking the vaccine sites for my stepmom and grandma (2 different states). Every place has been showing no availability.

For my grandma, she is in Missouri and has no online access. I worry she will be left behind.

For stepmom, her county in CA opened up 65+ last week but has had no open spots (had 1 clinic and have 2 more planned this week. Each one looks like it can take around 250 people in a county with ~600,000 people). There are 4 community pharmacies doing the vaccine and 1 health system (for current patients, which she isn’t one).

Every place is saying no vacs available. I checked today and one spot showed up at one of the pharmacies for the 2nd. I booked her in and then called her. She will have to call in sick from work to go but at least she has a spot.

I don’t know how they are getting people who aren’t online and I worry those folks will be left behind. Doesn’t seem right to do that.

At our hospital, they are trying to call all the older folks to get them a spot but we only have so much staff. I try to encourage any of my patients to walk over and get an appt booked while they are there so they aren’t waiting to be called. We have had a few days where they had extras and came by our area looking for anyone who wanted one. It was nice to see them get those patients in

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jan 31, 2021 14:20:32 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

There was not much information on the news report and I'm not tracking information real well. Nursing homes are using an antibody vaccine. Anyone know anything?

www.yahoo.com/gma/antibody-therapies-may-cut-deaths-100458932.html

This isn’t a vaccine.  The Regeneron monoclonal antibody is what they call passive immunity.  It protects you as long as it remains in your system, but after a month or so, it goes away.  Your own immune system does not manufacture the antibody, so it doesn’t protect you from future disease.  

This makes sense to infuse nursing homes residents if someone becomes positive, to protect them as a one shot deal.  However, they’d have to infuse them probably monthly to have continual protection.  That becomes really expensive.

[pulmonarymd]

Jan 31, 2021 18:22:24 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Jan 31, 2021 14:20:32 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

There was not much information on the news report and I'm not tracking information real well. Nursing homes are using an antibody vaccine. Anyone know anything?

www.yahoo.com/gma/antibody-therapies-may-cut-deaths-100458932.html

This isn’t a vaccine.  The Regeneron monoclonal antibody is what they call passive immunity.  It protects you as long as it remains in your system, but after a month or so, it goes away.  Your own immune system does not manufacture the antibody, so it doesn’t protect you from future disease.  

This makes sense to infuse nursing homes residents if someone becomes positive, to protect them as a one shot deal.  However, they’d have to infuse them probably monthly to have continual protection.  That becomes really expensive.

It also means they cannot be vaccinated for months. Best approach is not clear, but repeated infusion is expensive as you point out. Vaccination is the best long term solution, but that is assuming adequate supply

[Deleted]

It's a bit ironic that DH and I can't get the vaccine through one of the major hospitals that are the primary sources here because we don't have an existing relationship with them as we are healthy and haven't been hospitalized in a long time; DH spent a couple of days in the hospital back in 2012 or so and I had outpatient surgery in the late 90's (tubal ligation).  Whereas our friends who have had procedures like knee replacements, stents, etc. and hospital stays due to repeated illness are getting on the wait list for those facilities.  Sort of makes "healthy living" an oxymoron.

[Mardi Gras Audrey]

Jan 31, 2021 20:19:56 GMT -5 @donethat said:

It's a bit ironic that DH and I can't get the vaccine through one of the major hospitals that are the primary sources here because we don't have an existing relationship with them as we are healthy and haven't been hospitalized in a long time; DH spent a couple of days in the hospital back in 2012 or so and I had outpatient surgery in the late 90's (tubal ligation).  Whereas our friends who have had procedures like knee replacements, stents, etc. and hospital stays due to repeated illness are getting on the wait list for those facilities.  Sort of makes "healthy living" an oxymoron.

It does seem off, right? My grandma is the same way. She is 92 and lives alone. She had surgery in 2017 and a heart attack in 2007. Other than that, she doesn’t go to the doctor. She gets left out because she doesnt have an ongoing relationship with one of the health systems in her area. She also isn’t online and doesn’t text so she is at the mercy of others to help her. I’m trying but I live in another state.

It seems like a survival of the fittest and every man for himself kind of situation. Definitely not the best we can do in watching out for our people.

[Deleted]

Jan 31, 2021 20:42:08 GMT -5 Mardi Gras Audrey said:

Jan 31, 2021 20:19:56 GMT -5 @donethat said:

It's a bit ironic that DH and I can't get the vaccine through one of the major hospitals that are the primary sources here because we don't have an existing relationship with them as we are healthy and haven't been hospitalized in a long time; DH spent a couple of days in the hospital back in 2012 or so and I had outpatient surgery in the late 90's (tubal ligation).  Whereas our friends who have had procedures like knee replacements, stents, etc. and hospital stays due to repeated illness are getting on the wait list for those facilities.  Sort of makes "healthy living" an oxymoron.

It does seem off, right? My grandma is the same way. She is 92 and lives alone. She had surgery in 2017 and a heart attack in 2007. Other than that, she doesn’t go to the doctor. She gets left out because she doesnt have an ongoing relationship with one of the health systems in her area. She also isn’t online and doesn’t text so she is at the mercy of others to help her. I’m trying but I live in another state.

It seems like a survival of the fittest and every man for himself kind of situation. Definitely not the best we can do in watching out for our people.

I hope your grandmother is eventually able to get the vaccine through your efforts.  DH and I have sort of given up hope on getting it until late this year which is tough because we would like to travel again. DH is 81 and I'm 73 so the clock is ticking for us.  Sadly, the civic engagement activities that have given my life meaning for many years are already shifting to in-person only and masks aren't well received so I will need to step back from that part of life.  I truly understand the challenges of vaccine production and delivery but I'm sad for the way things are playing out for many across the globe.

[pulmonarymd]

Although I do not agree with the limitations imposed on getting the vaccine, any restrictions, given the supply constraints, will seem to be arbitrary

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 31, 2021 20:42:08 GMT -5 Mardi Gras Audrey said:

Jan 31, 2021 20:19:56 GMT -5 @donethat said:

It's a bit ironic that DH and I can't get the vaccine through one of the major hospitals that are the primary sources here because we don't have an existing relationship with them as we are healthy and haven't been hospitalized in a long time; DH spent a couple of days in the hospital back in 2012 or so and I had outpatient surgery in the late 90's (tubal ligation).  Whereas our friends who have had procedures like knee replacements, stents, etc. and hospital stays due to repeated illness are getting on the wait list for those facilities.  Sort of makes "healthy living" an oxymoron.

It does seem off, right? My grandma is the same way. She is 92 and lives alone. She had surgery in 2017 and a heart attack in 2007. Other than that, she doesn’t go to the doctor. She gets left out because she doesnt have an ongoing relationship with one of the health systems in her area. She also isn’t online and doesn’t text so she is at the mercy of others to help her. I’m trying but I live in another state.

It seems like a survival of the fittest and every man for himself kind of situation. Definitely not the best we can do in watching out for our people.

That is so frustrating. I got 8 family members scheduled as soon as I saw that the vaccines opened up. But I’m also fortunate that I’m home with plenty of time. One by one called my older relatives to create a patient portal for them and get them registered. Not everyone is that fortunate.

[Ryan]

Jan 31, 2021 21:25:34 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jan 31, 2021 20:42:08 GMT -5 Mardi Gras Audrey said:

It does seem off, right? My grandma is the same way. She is 92 and lives alone. She had surgery in 2017 and a heart attack in 2007. Other than that, she doesn’t go to the doctor. She gets left out because she doesnt have an ongoing relationship with one of the health systems in her area. She also isn’t online and doesn’t text so she is at the mercy of others to help her. I’m trying but I live in another state.

It seems like a survival of the fittest and every man for himself kind of situation. Definitely not the best we can do in watching out for our people.

That is so frustrating. I got 8 family members scheduled as soon as I saw that the vaccines opened up. But I’m also fortunate that I’m home with plenty of time. One by one called my older relatives to create a patient portal for them and get them registered. Not everyone is that fortunate.

It's been the same here.  I initially just got an appointment for my wife.  When my 2 sisters were having trouble getting appointments for themselves (teachers) and my parents, I just took their info and started scouting around.....eventually I was able to get them all.

My parents would have never, ever been able to navigate everything.  My sisters would've been able to do it, but I think it would've taken them a long time to realize the persistence they needed to have to actually get one.  I was in a Walgreens today and there was an 85 year old guy in front of me telling the cashier that he just gave the pharmacist an earful because he can't get an appointment.  He said that he had 2 of his family members help him and they couldn't get anything either.  I also was reading Nextdoor and hearing similar things with people trying to get an appointment at the local grocery/drug store with no luck.  They are following the instructions and trying to get an appointment.  Nobody is telling them that you have to change zip codes, look at different stores/hospital groups/county, check multiple times a day, possibly check at midnight, etc.

[Ryan]

Not saying this to dissuade anyone, but my wife (who had COVID) got the 1st shot a few days ago and was sicker with the vaccine than she was with COVID.   She got fever/chills/nausea the first night, felt ok in the morning and then has been pretty fatigued/headache since then (60 hours or so).  She said that she thinks she triggered a migraine or something because it was persistent and making her sick.  She had a bad night of sleep the first night and felt good in the morning, so she went on a 9 mile marathon training run, thinking that she was fine.  After she got back, she felt lousy and has been feeling pretty bad since then.  I have 4 family members getting vaccinated tomorrow, so hopefully her experience is unique.

[Mardi Gras Audrey]

Jan 31, 2021 23:35:48 GMT -5 Ryan said:

Not saying this to dissuade anyone, but my wife (who had COVID) got the 1st shot a few days ago and was sicker with the vaccine than she was with COVID.   She got fever/chills/nausea the first night, felt ok in the morning and then has been pretty fatigued/headache since then (60 hours or so).  She said that she thinks she triggered a migraine or something because it was persistent and making her sick.  She had a bad night of sleep the first night and felt good in the morning, so she went on a 9 mile marathon training run, thinking that she was fine.  After she got back, she felt lousy and has been feeling pretty bad since then.  I have 4 family members getting vaccinated tomorrow, so hopefully her experience is unique.

My experience with taking an informal poll at the hospital is that people who already had the disease had a rough time with the first dose. All of us who didn’t have the disease first had sore arms and that was about it for the first dose. The people who had the disease then the vaccine git fever, headaches, etc from he first dose.

For us who were covid free to start, the second dose got most of us with the sore arm, headache, fatigue, some fevers. I know the plural of anecdote isn’t data but it was interesting to see the differences Olin reactions.

I think I can get grandma a shot at some point. Luckily, she stays st home and doesn’t have much contact so that reduces exposure risk. I just wish there was a better way to help the people who aren’t tech savvy or can’t text/go online

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Jan 31, 2021 20:19:56 GMT -5 @donethat said:

It's a bit ironic that DH and I can't get the vaccine through one of the major hospitals that are the primary sources here because we don't have an existing relationship with them as we are healthy and haven't been hospitalized in a long time; DH spent a couple of days in the hospital back in 2012 or so and I had outpatient surgery in the late 90's (tubal ligation).  Whereas our friends who have had procedures like knee replacements, stents, etc. and hospital stays due to repeated illness are getting on the wait list for those facilities.  Sort of makes "healthy living" an oxymoron.

My primary doctor is affiliated with the hospital and I’m a current patient.  However, I know that some people are not seeing docs that are not affiliated and are being left out.  

At this point, I am using 3 different systems in WA, so hopefully one of them will pan out.

[oped]

The more significant reaction after already being exposed through virus or first shot makes sense doesn’t it? Because your body would mount a more aggressive immune response, right?

[steph08]

My parents and good family friend were all vaccinated with the first dose last week - two got Moderna and one got Pfizer. The only reaction was a slightly sore arm like all vaccines. None had prior COVID diagnoses.

[pulmonarymd]

Side effects have been worse for those who already had it. Also after the second dose. We have told employees to wait 90 days after their infection to get their vaccine

[wvugurl26]

My neighbor got his first dose two days after being released from quarantine for COVID. It knocked him on his ass and sent him to bed. I thought it was bad timing but I don't think the police department where he works cares. They were doing mass vaccinations and that was his slot.

[seriousthistime]

Jan 29, 2021 18:07:51 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

Our neighbor found out Fryes foods had vaccine. He called and got right in as did his brother and another neighbor.

If this happens again, I hope he remembers my H.

We have given up on the county sign up.

I cannot get the vaccine until Feb. 22.  Maybe things will be freed up somewhat.

Aren't you still recovering from an active case of COVID? 

I didn't know they were vaccinating people who'd had COVID recently. 

ETA: Never mind.  I posted before reading the responses above. 

[raeoflyte]

Dh has an appointment tonight. He's a vet tech, so in person in a job that frequently can't distance. They have covid patients too, but he's not likely to catch it from them.

I'm shocked. Glad he's getting it, but I never thought it would be so soon.

[Ryan]

Feb 1, 2021 7:30:33 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Side effects have been worse for those who already had it. Also after the second dose. We have told employees to wait 90 days after their infection to get their vaccine

If you had COVID, have you heard anything about the 2nd dose?  I had heard that the 2nd dose is hard for people that never had it, the 1st dose is hard for people that have had it, but haven't heard anything about how people that had COVID reacted to dose #2.   I think my wife is worried based on how she reacted to that 1st one.   She was pretty far out from when she had it though, she got it in July/August.

Good news is though, she is about 95% today (2.5 days after the shot)

[pulmonarymd]

Feb 1, 2021 10:43:19 GMT -5 Ryan said:

Feb 1, 2021 7:30:33 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Side effects have been worse for those who already had it. Also after the second dose. We have told employees to wait 90 days after their infection to get their vaccine

If you had COVID, have you heard anything about the 2nd dose?  I had heard that the 2nd dose is hard for people that never had it, the 1st dose is hard for people that have had it, but haven't heard anything about how people that had COVID reacted to dose #2.   I think my wife is worried based on how she reacted to that 1st one.   She was pretty far out from when she had it though, she got it in July/August.

Good news is though, she is about 95% today (2.5 days after the shot)

There have not been enough people in that category to know the answer

[Ryan]

Feb 1, 2021 10:48:13 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Feb 1, 2021 10:43:19 GMT -5 Ryan said:

If you had COVID, have you heard anything about the 2nd dose?  I had heard that the 2nd dose is hard for people that never had it, the 1st dose is hard for people that have had it, but haven't heard anything about how people that had COVID reacted to dose #2.   I think my wife is worried based on how she reacted to that 1st one.   She was pretty far out from when she had it though, she got it in July/August.

Good news is though, she is about 95% today (2.5 days after the shot)

There have not been enough people in that category to know the answer

You mean you don't know any.  I'm sure there are plenty of people that had COVID that have gotten the 2nd shot.