Vaccinated

[seriousthistime]

Agree, pulmonarymd. 

I just read a FB post about how outraged people were about having to wear masks at Disneyland.  Apparently Disneyland is enforcing the mask requirement and watching/reminding people to ensure they keep their masks on. Some posters are outraged. They have apparently forgotten about the measles outbreak that originated at Disneyland about 5 years ago. Or else they just don't care. 

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 15, 2021 11:16:36 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

Agree, pulmonarymd. 

I just read a FB post about how outraged people were about having to wear masks at Disneyland.  Apparently Disneyland is enforcing the mask requirement and watching/reminding people to ensure they keep their masks on. Some posters are outraged. They have apparently forgotten about the measles outbreak that originated at Disneyland about 5 years ago. Or else they just don't care. 

That. It is all about them. There are too many people who have forgotten that they live in a society, and some compromises are necessary

[tallguy]

Dec 15, 2021 8:41:13 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

I've been to Florida twice in the past five weeks or so. No one masks unless it's required like at Disney or at the airport.

I just spent five weeks there and can confirm that.  GF has subscriptions to different theater groups so we went together to a couple different ones.  They are requiring masks and proof of vaccination to attend but very few masks are seen in grocery stores and malls.  I hate masks too and don't wear one unless it is required, but I damn well made sure I got my booster before I went.

[andi9899]

There's no way I'd set foot in the states of FL or TX right now.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Dec 15, 2021 13:21:55 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

There's no way I'd set foot in the states of FL or TX right now.

I don't know.  They look a lot better than the Midwest right now in terms of covid cases.  This is cases per 100,000 people.

[haapai]

Dec 15, 2021 13:21:55 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

There's no way I'd set foot in the states of FL or TX right now.

Right now those are two of the safest states to be.  They have great new case numbers compared to the places with snow on the ground and wind warnings for tonight. 

On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't want to stay there for any length of time. With their low vaccination numbers, particularly among the elderly, they are cruising for a bruising.  I would not want to be there when their hospitals fill up.  Nor would I want to fly there.  Nor would I particularly enjoy my time there.  I'd probably go a bit mad being around folks that thought so differently than me and were doing things that I just could not get used to doing because I'd have to change gears so dramatically when I went home. 

[andi9899]

Yeah, I'm really not going anywhere for a while. I work in OH, but since the winter sucks there, they don't expect me to go there at any time until spring. We'll see how things go then.

[haapai]

There's bad news for those of you who were secretly hoping that two shots of Moderna would stand up to Omicron better than Pfizer.  Lab studies with the blood of persons with two doses of Moderna showed a dramatic drop in its effectiveness. 

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/15/1064202754/omicron-evades-moderna-vaccine-too-study-suggests-but-boosters-help

The good news is that the same studies done with blood from patients who had also gotten boosters showed almost the same results against Omicrpn as against Delta. 

So get boosted if you haven't already. 

P.S.  I am absolutely floored by how the UK is pulling out all the stops to get folks boosted.  Also, what the heck is a "high street"?

[Spellbound454]

P.S. I am absolutely floored by how the UK is pulling out all the stops to get folks boosted. Also, what the heck is a "high street"?

Main shopping area in a Town or City....... A Street lined with popular corporate shops.

We are certainly vaccinating and the clarion call has gone out for more people to help.


and thats because there is a huge Tsunami of Omicron due to hit...... its already started 


We aren't over Delta yet so have one on top of another.


The comments are still full of people bragging how they haven't had a vaccine and never will
but this new variant is so infectious its going to get us all at some level.

Feels like we are sitting ducks

[NastyWoman]

Dec 14, 2021 21:07:58 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

I'm double vaxxed and boosted, and I wear a mask when in public, indoors.  I'm in a high rise building for the next month and it's surprising to see the number of people who don't mask up in corridors, lobbies, elevators, grocery stores, bakeries, the trolley, etc. 

Going from the land of Newsom to the land of DeSantis is eye-opening. 

And very, very unattractive to me. If it weren't for the fact that I will visit my family in Munich for the holidays I would definitely NOT leave the land of Newsom right now

[TheOtherMe]

Dec 15, 2021 11:01:45 GMT -5 seriousthistime said:

And I have seen the customers treat the pharmacy employees like shit too.  It's embarrassing to be a human and see how other humans act sometimes.  What is wrong with people?

I saw some pharmacy getting treated horribly because they didn't want to wear a mask while getting vaccinated.  So the person wants a vaccine but doesn't want to wear a mask for the amount of time it takes to get the jab and wait the 15 minutes after.

When I left, they were still "discussing" wearing a mask while getting vaccinated.  There were signs on the front door and all over the pharmacy that said "You Must Wear A Mask To Receive A Vaccine"

[raeoflyte]

I am so sore today. I was chalking it up to a bad night's sleep and my normal aches just acting up earlier in the day, but I think it must be the vaccine. If it's not I hate to think I'll feel like this all week.

[lurkyloo]

I believe that case rates are lower in the southern red states right now, but I trust their reported numbers about as much as the guy selling the Golden Gate.  If you don‘t test, there are no cases, right?  Hospitalization data is probably a little more indicative...although it sounds like FL has a history of trying to massage that too.

I‘m nervous.  We still don’t have data transparency bc state health dept hacked but there are apparently steadily increasing cases in the schools right now.  Not sure whether to look forward to keeping to ourselves for break or fret that it’s just going to put off exposure for a week or so.  We’re as vaxxed and boosted as we can be right now; we wear our medical grade masks and do everything we can to social distance.  Just like the last 21 months.  

[giramomma]

Dec 15, 2021 13:47:33 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Dec 15, 2021 13:21:55 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

There's no way I'd set foot in the states of FL or TX right now.

I don't know.  They look a lot better than the Midwest right now in terms of covid cases.  This is cases per 100,000 people.

WI is a shitstorm right now. I had no idea it was getting so bad. My county is like 80% vaxxed and they just reported 650 daily cases today. And yes, folks in the county want to be done with masking. 

[TheOtherMe]

Iowa is also a shitshow.   Our numbers can't be trusted because of the way the state manipulates the data.  Last week, somehow they found 200 more positive cases between the weekly numbers on Wednesday  and Thursday  evening.  

People also don't test because they want their kids to go to school and/or them to go to work.  Just saw Dr. Fauci on Chris Hayes.  It's only going to get worse.

[Opti]

Dec 15, 2021 13:47:33 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Dec 15, 2021 13:21:55 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

There's no way I'd set foot in the states of FL or TX right now.

I don't know.  They look a lot better than the Midwest right now in terms of covid cases.  This is cases per 100,000 people.

What's the color scale? Maine is actually 47th in cases according to Worldometer with North Dakota number one and Alaska second.
I think county maps confuse sometimes more than enlighten because we don't know the population that goes with them. 


www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Opti]

I do wish there was a website that reported on cases per week, per month for all states instead of having to look it up state by state.
I know hospitalizations are rising here. 

[busymom]

Dec 15, 2021 13:47:33 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Dec 15, 2021 13:21:55 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

There's no way I'd set foot in the states of FL or TX right now.

I don't know.  They look a lot better than the Midwest right now in terms of covid cases.  This is cases per 100,000 people.

     I don't believe the statistics that Florida is currently posting.  They have days where they post one new death, or zero new deaths, but then their total death count magically goes up in larger numbers.  It appears they're submitting their deaths in the "back" door, and I doubt even that is accurate, based on what I'm hearing from my old neighbors.

[busymom]

BTW, our hospitals are officially full now.  Good luck to anyone needing surgery, or emergency care that isn't Covid-related.  

[seriousthistime]

I'm feeling smug and I don't know which thread is the best one for this, so I'll post it here. 

There's a Covidiot who posts a lot of BS about COVID on our town's Facebook page.  It's a hoax, sheeple, no worse than a cold, barely makes people sick, numbers inflated, masks don't do anything, vaccines are evil, etc.

The other day he started a thread on Facebook about how he moved to his house some years ago and acknowledged it was on a busy street but the street has gotten much busier and the ambulance and fire sirens have increased since he moved there and the noise is really disturbing his family. He commented that the city council needs to stop approving  residential and commercial development. 

I asked if the rights of the property owners to develop their properties should be restricted.  He responded yes, and that the city council does not care about the impact of the property owners' development on others.  I drew a parallel to those who insist on their rights to be unmasked and unvaxxed at the expense of others.  I was talking generally, did not call him out personally.  But anyone who reads the BS he routinely spews would know I was talking about him. 

He deleted his Facebook thread. 

[Tiny]

Dec 15, 2021 23:23:44 GMT -5 busymom said:

Dec 15, 2021 13:47:33 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I don't know.  They look a lot better than the Midwest right now in terms of covid cases.  This is cases per 100,000 people.

     I don't believe the statistics that Florida is currently posting.  They have days where they post one new death, or zero new deaths, but then their total death count magically goes up in larger numbers.  It appears they're submitting their deaths in the "back" door, and I doubt even that is accurate, based on what I'm hearing from my old neighbors.

The death counts are "behind" - Florida changed the way Covid19 deaths are counted - not that that the deaths aren't getting getting counted - just that theyare not getting counted on (or around the day of the death)  - it gets counted on a past date - it might be when you tested positive for Covid19   or maybe the day you checked into the hospital or maybe the death notice sat in a pile of paperwork for 10 or 15 or 30 days before an official got around to counting it and adding it to the total.      The consequence of this was that current days death rates are very low and then after a week or two the past death counts start growing and growing and growing.     For example :  I watched the August death counts  rise from a high of 250 deaths on one day (in august)  - to high numbers just under 400 thru September/October/ early November.    I know see a day in August has jumped to 425.       The "current day death counts" have stayed below 10  per day if you look back only a week a two.... all thru October and November and even now.    


I wouldn't put too much stock in the case numbers (people with Covid19)  in Florida....  I'm guessing that since the "marketing" of Covid19 there is that  "it's not a big deal"  there isn't much testing going on.  I'm guessing employers aren't  asking employees to get tested if a coworker goes out sick.       

I'm guessing there are actually a lot of people with Covid19 in Florida right now... way more than have been reported.    It seems seems strange that a State with such a large population would have such consistently low numbers.       

I don't watch other states all that closely  but  I'm guessing for Texas and some of the other States that got on the "Covid19 isn't a thing"  band wagon. 



    

[minnesotapaintlady]

Dec 15, 2021 22:35:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 15, 2021 13:47:33 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I don't know.  They look a lot better than the Midwest right now in terms of covid cases.  This is cases per 100,000 people.

What's the color scale? Maine is actually 47th in cases according to Worldometer with North Dakota number one and Alaska second.
I think county maps confuse sometimes more than enlighten because we don't know the population that goes with them. 


www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The maps are all in the middle of the page here

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

[Tiny]

Dec 15, 2021 13:50:29 GMT -5 haapai said:

Dec 15, 2021 13:21:55 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

There's no way I'd set foot in the states of FL or TX right now.

Right now those are two of the safest states to be.  They have great new case numbers compared to the places with snow on the ground and wind warnings for tonight. 

On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't want to stay there for any length of time. With their low vaccination numbers, particularly among the elderly, they are cruising for a bruising.  I would not want to be there when their hospitals fill up.  Nor would I want to fly there.  Nor would I particularly enjoy my time there.  I'd probably go a bit mad being around folks that thought so differently than me and were doing things that I just could not get used to doing because I'd have to change gears so dramatically when I went home. 

Omicron may be a game changer - it's even more catchy than Delta (and Delta was more catchy than the original Virus).     I'm guessing that it's gonna spread like wildfire in the States/Counties/Areas where there is a laissez faire response to Covid19.     Even if it's milder -  I'm gonna guess that it's still not as "mild" as the good old yearly Flu and it will still kill  more people than the flu.     

I think some of the laissez faire response is because  Covid19 does indeed appear to be a Boomer Remover... the majority of deaths have been in the 65yo old and older segment of society.  The next hardest hit group is 50yo to 65yos.     I think the big death numbers for those groups makes the deaths of younger people seem not so bad...  even though they are bad. 


I am VERY HAPPY my Florida family (who travel between Florida and Texas) will NOT be coming North this Holiday Season.     Last year I was willing to chance Covid19 when they visited and wanted to do group things (or indoor outing things) - this year not so much  the spread ability of Omicron worries me.  
 

[anciana]

Dec 16, 2021 11:15:53 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Dec 15, 2021 23:23:44 GMT -5 busymom said:

     I don't believe the statistics that Florida is currently posting.  They have days where they post one new death, or zero new deaths, but then their total death count magically goes up in larger numbers.  It appears they're submitting their deaths in the "back" door, and I doubt even that is accurate, based on what I'm hearing from my old neighbors.

The death counts are "behind" - Florida changed the way Covid19 deaths are counted - not that that the deaths aren't getting getting counted - just that theyare not getting counted on (or around the day of the death)  - it gets counted on a past date - it might be when you tested positive for Covid19   or maybe the day you checked into the hospital or maybe the death notice sat in a pile of paperwork for 10 or 15 or 30 days before an official got around to counting it and adding it to the total.      The consequence of this was that current days death rates are very low and then after a week or two the past death counts start growing and growing and growing.     For example :  I watched the August death counts  rise from a high of 250 deaths on one day (in august)  - to high numbers just under 400 thru September/October/ early November.    I know see a day in August has jumped to 425.       The "current day death counts" have stayed below 10  per day if you look back only a week a two.... all thru October and November and even now.    


I wouldn't put too much stock in the case numbers (people with Covid19)  in Florida....  I'm guessing that since the "marketing" of Covid19 there is that  "it's not a big deal"  there isn't much testing going on.  I'm guessing employers aren't  asking employees to get tested if a coworker goes out sick.       

I'm guessing there are actually a lot of people with Covid19 in Florida right now... way more than have been reported.    It seems seems strange that a State with such a large population would have such consistently low numbers.       

I don't watch other states all that closely  but  I'm guessing for Texas and some of the other States that got on the "Covid19 isn't a thing"  band wagon. 



    

We've been told that the deaths are not reported the day they occur since there is too much paperwork that needs to happen from the hospital to the state and it can take several weeks. But, the actual date when the death occurred is then updated. So, we have at least the last 2-3 weeks when the death numbers are not correct at any given time.

[anciana]

Dec 16, 2021 11:30:52 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Dec 15, 2021 13:50:29 GMT -5 haapai said:

Right now those are two of the safest states to be.  They have great new case numbers compared to the places with snow on the ground and wind warnings for tonight. 

On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't want to stay there for any length of time. With their low vaccination numbers, particularly among the elderly, they are cruising for a bruising.  I would not want to be there when their hospitals fill up.  Nor would I want to fly there.  Nor would I particularly enjoy my time there.  I'd probably go a bit mad being around folks that thought so differently than me and were doing things that I just could not get used to doing because I'd have to change gears so dramatically when I went home. 

Omicron may be a game changer - it's even more catchy than Delta (and Delta was more catchy than the original Virus).     I'm guessing that it's gonna spread like wildfire in the States/Counties/Areas where there is a laissez faire response to Covid19.     Even if it's milder -  I'm gonna guess that it's still not as "mild" as the good old yearly Flu and it will still kill  more people than the flu.     

I think some of the laissez faire response is because  Covid19 does indeed appear to be a Boomer Remover... the majority of deaths have been in the 65yo old and older segment of society.  The next hardest hit group is 50yo to 65yos.     I think the big death numbers for those groups makes the deaths of younger people seem not so bad...  even though they are bad. 


I am VERY HAPPY my Florida family (who travel between Florida and Texas) will NOT be coming North this Holiday Season.     Last year I was willing to chance Covid19 when they visited and wanted to do group things (or indoor outing things) - this year not so much  the spread ability of Omicron worries me.  
 

It's pretty amazing reading about the research that's happening right now as Omicron is spreading and how quickly we're finding out bits and pieces of information and then trying to put it together and use for forecast and planning. 

Last I read was that Omicron is about 4 times more easily spread but about 1/3  less severe then Delta. If that is true, we're still looking at pretty bad winter. I just read this morning that some scientists are finding all kinds of data that Omicron might be multiplying faster in airways and slower in lungs, and wondering if that is why it doesn't appear so severe and spreads that much more, but more investigation is in order, on top of reality that severity of disease in humans is not determined only by virus replication but also by each person's immune response to the infection. 

[haapai]

Dec 15, 2021 22:35:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 15, 2021 13:47:33 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I don't know.  They look a lot better than the Midwest right now in terms of covid cases.  This is cases per 100,000 people.

What's the color scale? Maine is actually 47th in cases according to Worldometer with North Dakota number one and Alaska second.
I think county maps confuse sometimes more than enlighten because we don't know the population that goes with them. 


www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I believe that the Worldmeter site that you have linked to shows total cases since counting began and is not weighted for population.  You can move a couple columns over and click on the button next to cases per million and it will reorganize and give you a different list.  Unfortunately, since that is the "all time" list, you still don't know where cases are high right now. 

Sadly, looking at yesterday's new cases and clicking on the right tabs won't give you a much better sense of where things are hot either.  Many states do not report daily. 

[Value Buy]

Dec 15, 2021 13:21:55 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

There's no way I'd set foot in the states of FL or TX right now.

We split our time about 50/50 between Indiana and Florida.
Both of us for some reason feel safer in Florida. Indiana is pretty much a hot mess covid wise right now, like much of the midwest and great lakes areas.
I admit neither state's citizens do enough to stay safe, get vaccinated, etc, so it is sort of an apples to apples comparision.
Only difference is Florida is inundated with people from all over the world, plus from the U.S. visiting everyday capable of spreading covid and very few people other than people from Illinois escaping their state and living the dream in Indiana. We should feel safer in Indiana due to less population movement.

And for the naysayers on the board that disagree with me over just about everything, my wife leans in your direction for most discussions here rather than with me, but she is already saying, can we please get back to Florida? We have moved up our departure to before the new year rather than about the 5th of January. 

[raeoflyte]

I can't tell if I'm having a weak moment or not, but since we're all vaccinated I'm feeling like we can loosen up a little. We haven't been visiting my parents for a week to 10 days (or limiting with masks) if we are around my in laws, or anyone unmasked whose precautions are lacking. Which sucks this time of year. We will still stay away if we're sick or if we think we could have been exposed to even a bad cold.

I wish the sites gave more details about vaccinated vs. Not. I keep seeing this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, but with the #'s high its hard to feel like I can make informed decisions.

The total strain on Healthcare I think will take a long time to resolve.

[Value Buy]

Dec 16, 2021 12:17:08 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

I can't tell if I'm having a weak moment or not, but since we're all vaccinated I'm feeling like we can loosen up a little. We haven't been visiting my parents for a week to 10 days (or limiting with masks) if we are around my in laws, or anyone unmasked whose precautions are lacking. Which sucks this time of year. We will still stay away if we're sick or if we think we could have been exposed to even a bad cold.

I wish the sites gave more details about vaccinated vs. Not. I keep seeing this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, but with the #'s high its hard to feel like I can make informed decisions.

The total strain on Healthcare I think will take a long time to resolve.

My biggest concern right now is Delta variance versus the new variance.
No real breakdown between the two, but media seems to blur the lines of one being so deadly and creating the hospitalizations and the Omnicron is barely getting started here. 
The scary part is people who are vaccinated are now capable of spreading covid. Two weeks ago it was all about the unvaccinated killing everyone and spreading covid to  the vaccinated.

[Lizard Queen]

Dec 16, 2021 12:10:49 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 15, 2021 13:21:55 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

There's no way I'd set foot in the states of FL or TX right now.

We split our time about 50/50 between Indiana and Florida.
Both of us for some reason feel safer in Florida. Indiana is pretty much a hot mess covid wise right now, like much of the midwest and great lakes areas.
I admit neither state's citizens do enough to stay safe, get vaccinated, etc, so it is sort of an apples to apples comparision.
Only difference is Florida is inundated with people from all over the world, plus from the U.S. visiting everyday capable of spreading covid and very few people other than people from Illinois escaping their state and living the dream in Indiana. We should feel safer in Indiana due to less population movement.

And for the naysayers on the board that disagree with me over just about everything, my wife leans in your direction for most discussions here rather than with me, but she is already saying, can we please get back to Florida? We have moved up our departure to before the new year rather than about the 5th of January. 

It appears to be somewhat seasonal. Florida was a shit show when everyone started hanging out more inside in the summer. The Midwest turned into a shit show when the same thing happened in the fall. Here in Michigan, we're on the downward slope of the latest one.