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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 16, 2021 19:55:00 GMT -5
That can be another issue, no jobs for the spouse. I drive 90 minutes one way for work before the pandemic. This to ensure a high paying job where i can use my college degree that i worked hard for and enjoy. I could drive 20 minutes for a job in retail, which i don't want and wouldn't enjoy. And doesn't do kids any good if that lack of enjoyment leads to resentment and divorce. Plus I pay A LOT more taxes then if I only made retail wages! So, the economy gets a boost too!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 16, 2021 21:02:54 GMT -5
That can be another issue, no jobs for the spouse. I drive 90 minutes one way for work before the pandemic. This to ensure a high paying job where i can use my college degree that i worked hard for and enjoy. I could drive 20 minutes for a job in retail, which i don't want and wouldn't enjoy. I can’t imagine spending 3 hours a day in the car!
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 17, 2021 10:19:04 GMT -5
The idea is to have a mix of kids so that underperforming kids do not out number the kids that excel. And to fund all the schools equally. Schools tend to be funded by the tax base in their community, that puts low income communities at a distinct disadvantage. There are a lot of high performing, brilliant kids in low income areas and lots of idiots and trouble makers in higher income areas. The difference is resources and privilege. Mixing all the kids together makes sure that high income parents work to have the resources more evenly distributed, rather than hoarded for their kids. Parents that have better parental support will still do better, but society as a whole does not have to feed into extending that privilege.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 17, 2021 10:36:40 GMT -5
That can be another issue, no jobs for the spouse. I drive 90 minutes one way for work before the pandemic. This to ensure a high paying job where i can use my college degree that i worked hard for and enjoy. I could drive 20 minutes for a job in retail, which i don't want and wouldn't enjoy. I can’t imagine spending 3 hours a day in the car! I used to think the same. But if it's that or an unrewarding job....I'll, obviously, take the commute. I spend the time mentally planning or reviewing my day, i listen to class on classical music and other things that interest me, and similar. I actually enjoyed it. You just have to put yourself in the mindset that the time spent is inevitable and relax.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 17, 2021 11:32:42 GMT -5
One of the biggest lies perpetuated is that charter schools are for gifted or kids that are otherwise somehow more worthy. No, they are for kids that have rich parents, and usually white. Problem kids get into charter schools if their parents are rich, and white. It's like saying only the worthy get into Ivy League schools. We know that isn't true.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 17, 2021 11:52:54 GMT -5
One of the biggest lies perpetuated is that charter schools are for gifted or kids that are otherwise somehow more worthy. No, they are for kids that have rich parents, and usually white. Problem kids get into charter schools if their parents are rich, and white. It's like saying only the worthy get into Ivy League schools. We know that isn't true. I don't understand this. Our charters are lottery and a strictly regulated lottery. I used to volunteer to help with it at our Charter and even kids of people who worked at the school didn't get slipped in if they didn't make the cut. It definitely wasn't a buy your way in deal.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 17, 2021 12:53:59 GMT -5
And doesn't do kids any good if that lack of enjoyment leads to resentment and divorce. Plus I pay A LOT more taxes then if I only made retail wages! So, the economy gets a boost too! Do taxes boost the economy?
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 17, 2021 13:11:41 GMT -5
Plus I pay A LOT more taxes then if I only made retail wages! So, the economy gets a boost too! Do taxes boost the economy? They pay for roads so others may get a paycheck working to build or repair them, schools for teachers and support staff to work at (gira doesn't work for free), food stamps so others can eat, military so our soldiers get paid, social security so our seniors can pay their bills. Yes, my taxes put a lot of money into the economy.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 17, 2021 14:56:37 GMT -5
One of the biggest lies perpetuated is that charter schools are for gifted or kids that are otherwise somehow more worthy. No, they are for kids that have rich parents, and usually white. Problem kids get into charter schools if their parents are rich, and white. It's like saying only the worthy get into Ivy League schools. We know that isn't true. I don't understand this. Our charters are lottery and a strictly regulated lottery. I used to volunteer to help with it at our Charter and even kids of people who worked at the school didn't get slipped in if they didn't make the cut. It definitely wasn't a buy your way in deal.
Ours aren't. But after looking it up I was actually thinking of private schools. Sorry for the mix up.
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Post by imawino on Feb 17, 2021 15:00:34 GMT -5
Here is an interesting read about orphaned children - the orphan trains. I knew an orphan-train-woman near the farm where I grew up, she was found as a small child sitting on a country road. A neighborhood couple gave her a home on their farm, gave her a name, raised her. When she was grown she married a young man on nearby farm, had 4 children, spent her life on that farm (about 85 years she guessed, she never knew her actual birth date.)
Everything about this story is horrifying and depressing. It is an indictment of orphanages, worker safety, labor laws, and humanity in general. It also flies in the face of what you and other conservatives tend to espouse about how it used to be that family and community provided support when needed and the government never needed to take a role. So people were dying in droves because of disease and workplace accidents, leaving behind orphaned children. The orphanages failed to care for them, family failed to care for them and community failed to care for them. Instead they were shoved onto trains and shipped off to be unpaid child labor on strangers farms? Disgusting. Also, if your friend who was found along a road was part of this system I have to assume it also failed. Did they just toddlers on the side of a county road and hope for the best? They didn't deliver them all the way to their new owners.....I mean families? The good old days my ass.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 17, 2021 15:05:18 GMT -5
I don't understand this. Our charters are lottery and a strictly regulated lottery. I used to volunteer to help with it at our Charter and even kids of people who worked at the school didn't get slipped in if they didn't make the cut. It definitely wasn't a buy your way in deal.
Ours aren't. But after looking it up I was actually thinking of private schools. Sorry for the mix up. Yeah, our private schools tend to skew towards the wealthy, especially the secular ones, well...because you have to pay for them...sometimes a lot! The charters are free public schools though.
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Post by swasat on Feb 17, 2021 15:13:02 GMT -5
Here is an interesting read about orphaned children - the orphan trains. I knew an orphan-train-woman near the farm where I grew up, she was found as a small child sitting on a country road. A neighborhood couple gave her a home on their farm, gave her a name, raised her. When she was grown she married a young man on nearby farm, had 4 children, spent her life on that farm (about 85 years she guessed, she never knew her actual birth date.)
Everything about this story is horrifying and depressing. It is an indictment of orphanages, worker safety, labor laws, and humanity in general. It also flies in the face of what you and other conservatives tend to espouse about how it used to be that family and community provided support when needed and the government never needed to take a role. So people were dying in droves because of disease and workplace accidents, leaving behind orphaned children. The orphanages failed to care for them, family failed to care for them and community failed to care for them. Instead they were shoved onto trains and shipped off to be unpaid child labor on strangers farms? Disgusting. Also, if your friend who was found along a road was part of this system I have to assume it also failed. Did they just toddlers on the side of a county road and hope for the best? They didn't deliver them all the way to their new owners.....I mean families? The good old days my ass. Exactly. Remember "Anne of Green Gables" and her being "lent out" to help out families with lots of children or farm folks? Thats exactly the scenario with a lot of these orphans. There were no laws in place that these owners had to adhere by. So abuse, violence and harassment of these children was definitely commonplace. Behind the doors of these so called families lied the ugliness of human nature. But lets just pretend that the world was this golden place with extremely kind hearted people with no hidden agendas or lack of morals/ethics in the good ole days Some of these posters and their so called orphanage stories and what not....One wonders if there is any understanding of the fact that correlation does not imply causation. But that would be expecting too much intelligence.....
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 17, 2021 15:41:06 GMT -5
Ours aren't. But after looking it up I was actually thinking of private schools. Sorry for the mix up. Yeah, our private schools tend to skew towards the wealthy, especially the secular ones, well...because you have to pay for them...sometimes a lot! The charters are free public schools though. I saw a meme not long ago about a country that does not allow private schools, everyone's kids have to do to through the public system. They say their quality of schools is exemplary.
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Post by giramomma on Feb 18, 2021 15:36:05 GMT -5
Man, if we could ALL be CEOs. Would that be great?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 18, 2021 15:49:33 GMT -5
Another one that fits here: Kroger will close more stores over hazard pay laws for workersKroger will close two stores in Seattle over the city's $4-an-hour hazard pay requirement for grocery workers, an escalation of the grocery chain's push against newly-passed hazard pay laws growing on the West Coast. ... During the first three quarters of 2020, Kroger's profit doubled from $1.3 billion to $2.6 billion compared with the same period in 2019. Molly Kinder, a fellow at the think tank Brookings Institution, points out that is after accounting for the cost of extra pay and additional safety measures.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 20, 2021 15:54:18 GMT -5
Here is an interesting read about orphaned children - the orphan trains. I knew an orphan-train-woman near the farm where I grew up, she was found as a small child sitting on a country road. A neighborhood couple gave her a home on their farm, gave her a name, raised her. When she was grown she married a young man on nearby farm, had 4 children, spent her life on that farm (about 85 years she guessed, she never knew her actual birth date.)
Everything about this story is horrifying and depressing. It is an indictment of orphanages, worker safety, labor laws, and humanity in general. It also flies in the face of what you and other conservatives tend to espouse about how it used to be that family and community provided support when needed and the government never needed to take a role. So people were dying in droves because of disease and workplace accidents, leaving behind orphaned children. The orphanages failed to care for them, family failed to care for them and community failed to care for them. Instead they were shoved onto trains and shipped off to be unpaid child labor on strangers farms? Disgusting. Also, if your friend who was found along a road was part of this system I have to assume it also failed. Did they just toddlers on the side of a county road and hope for the best? They didn't deliver them all the way to their new owners.....I mean families? The good old days my ass. Yes - this story does not sound like it is related to the orphan train.
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