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Post by wanttofire on Jan 19, 2021 10:23:31 GMT -5
This is one reason why most on the right have given up on the idea of government programs helping people get out of poverty. For decades, all we heard was that anyone who didn't want to do things the left's way was an evil person. It's too bad. There is a lot that government could do to help people that would be cheaper in the long run. My husband and I discussed the $15/ hour minimum wage last night, and we both have reservations, his thoughts being a little more formed than my thoughts. In the end, I am extremely worried about the wage and wealth gap. We are back to the point where every other society with a gap this large starts seeing serious consequences for it. Our social unrest right now is tied to that gap. Maybe this time the rich people have been more successful getting the poor people to turn on each other rather than them, but that won't last forever, and I am prime to be a loser in the case of turmoil. I am so wide open to anything we could do as a society that would balance the scales a little, but haven't heard much from conservatives that would close the gap. Obviously eliminating regulations would help business, but i see no way that would get to the workers. I am also the first to admit I haven't been very diligent about searching out conservative policy ideas. So, please, please let me know what they are proposing that could close that gap a little. I agree with you. There have been no proposals from the conservative side on this, I guess the tax cuts were supposed to help but as we know “trickle down economics” well, it just doesn’t trickle. In my mega corp, corporate taxes, was not a big decision maker in whether we invest or build and create more jobs. Actually if we were expected to have 12% return on a project before then now we should have a 14% because we pay less taxes. Giving tax breaks to corporations does not create more jobs, you know what creates more jobs? Demand. What creates demand? People having money in their pockets. If you provide to low earners they will spend it at a higher rate than a high earner. Me? I would have just saved it.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jan 19, 2021 12:48:45 GMT -5
This is one reason why most on the right have given up on the idea of government programs helping people get out of poverty. For decades, all we heard was that anyone who didn't want to do things the left's way was an evil person. It's too bad. There is a lot that government could do to help people that would be cheaper in the long run. My husband and I discussed the $15/ hour minimum wage last night, and we both have reservations, his thoughts being a little more formed than my thoughts. In the end, I am extremely worried about the wage and wealth gap. We are back to the point where every other society with a gap this large starts seeing serious consequences for it. Our social unrest right now is tied to that gap. Maybe this time the rich people have been more successful getting the poor people to turn on each other rather than them, but that won't last forever, and I am prime to be a loser in the case of turmoil. I am so wide open to anything we could do as a society that would balance the scales a little, but haven't heard much from conservatives that would close the gap. Obviously eliminating regulations would help business, but i see no way that would get to the workers. I am also the first to admit I haven't been very diligent about searching out conservative policy ideas. So, please, please let me know what they are proposing that could close that gap a little. Not to get political responses please but people on poorer spectrum were getting increases in job payments and black and Hispanics more jobs prior to Covid. So without $15 minimum which may inhibit small business hiring (including first jobs or summer jobs for teens) Guess the Earned tax rebate should help those people with low wages without causing small businesses potential harm from higher minimum wage. Best thing would be to get medical costs under control (and thereby decreasing medical insurance which is prohibitly expensive even with The ACA supplements).
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 19, 2021 14:06:37 GMT -5
My husband and I discussed the $15/ hour minimum wage last night, and we both have reservations, his thoughts being a little more formed than my thoughts. In the end, I am extremely worried about the wage and wealth gap. We are back to the point where every other society with a gap this large starts seeing serious consequences for it. Our social unrest right now is tied to that gap. Maybe this time the rich people have been more successful getting the poor people to turn on each other rather than them, but that won't last forever, and I am prime to be a loser in the case of turmoil. I am so wide open to anything we could do as a society that would balance the scales a little, but haven't heard much from conservatives that would close the gap. Obviously eliminating regulations would help business, but i see no way that would get to the workers. I am also the first to admit I haven't been very diligent about searching out conservative policy ideas. So, please, please let me know what they are proposing that could close that gap a little. Not to get political responses please but people on poorer spectrum were getting increases in job payments and black and Hispanics more jobs prior to Covid. So without $15 minimum which may inhibit small business hiring (including first jobs or summer jobs for teens) Guess the Earned tax rebate should help those people with low wages without causing small businesses potential harm from higher minimum wage. Best thing would be to get medical costs under control (and thereby decreasing medical insurance which is prohibitly expensive even with The ACA supplements). Unfortunately, more jobs and good jobs aren't the same. Unemployment has been used pretty singly to determine how the huddled masses are doing, but there is a lot missing from the equation. Economic inequality is surprisingly independent of unemployment rates, and has continued to increase under both the Democratic Party and Republicans (which is why I belly laugh when the DNC is accused of socialism - they are owned by the rich just as much as the GOP). There is no perfect way to close the gap, and I am not convinced the policies that are going around now are the best way - but it may be that the best policies are political poison. We aren't really a nation that uses logical solutions. Our politics is driven by emotion.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jan 19, 2021 14:08:04 GMT -5
Well a job is better than no job
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 19, 2021 14:21:13 GMT -5
Well a job is better than no job Sure. I am not saying hugh unemployment would be amazing. In fact, I am struggling with how to close the economic inequality measure without policies that harm the job market. The statement was that the GOP had some good ideas on that, and I would love, love, love to hear them, because I am not sure the D's policies are ultimately ideal.
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Post by wanttofire on Jan 19, 2021 15:26:11 GMT -5
Well a job is better than no job Maybe. If you are single mom and can have a job making $13 an hour but have to pay for daycare then you are probably better off staying home and getting welfare.
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Post by wanttofire on Jan 19, 2021 15:29:03 GMT -5
We have to rethink society as a whole and how we can better take care of people. Automation, Globalization and AI will continue to expand, displacing many workers, if we don’t have some solutions the inequality gap will continue to grow. What worked in the past might not be what works in the future. This is going to happen whether we raise minimum wage to $15 or not.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 19, 2021 15:49:26 GMT -5
We have to rethink society as a whole and how we can better take care of people. Automation, Globalization and AI will continue to expand, displacing many workers, if we don’t have some solutions the inequality gap will continue to grow. What worked in the past might not be what works in the future. This is going to happen whether we raise minimum wage to $15 or not. I agree - but that is political poison. The voters don't like big thinkers.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 19, 2021 16:07:21 GMT -5
Well a job is better than no job But not even that is true in a system where government support is structured around a "going of the cliff" approach. Earn $x we will provide help with chilcare, heath insurance, food. Earn $(x+1) and all of that will go away. It is a system that may not be designed to keep people poor but it sure as heck succeeds in doing just that.
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Post by sesfw on Jan 19, 2021 16:30:05 GMT -5
IMHO ....... the answer is training/education. More apprenticeships ..... more trade schools ..... certificate programs ... something to prove to employers that people are willing to learn a new skill. Keep these training programs inexpensive.
BUT. people have to want to do this. Which means ...... STAY IN SCHOOL to get the basics.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 19, 2021 17:13:40 GMT -5
People jump all over people living in poverty for not having an emergency fund. Also those just barely making it at $14 or $15 an hour. How does anyone expect someone making $15 an hour or less to have an emergency fund. Most can barely make the rent and buy food.
If child care costs more than you are paid, why would you work? You will probably be kicked the social programs and have nothing for you or your children.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 19, 2021 17:26:41 GMT -5
IMHO ....... the answer is training/education. More apprenticeships ..... more trade schools ..... certificate programs ... something to prove to employers that people are willing to learn a new skill. Keep these training programs inexpensive. BUT. people have to want to do this. Which means ...... STAY IN SCHOOL to get the basics. Are these programs to be funded by the government? Or run by government? Or subsidized by government? Maybe we make laws for companies to fund the programs that will benefit them? What about the vast number of people that are currently working low paid jobs? We must need that labor - so how do we fill those jobs if we train everyone out of them?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 19, 2021 17:27:04 GMT -5
IMHO ....... the answer is training/education. More apprenticeships ..... more trade schools ..... certificate programs ... something to prove to employers that people are willing to learn a new skill. Keep these training programs inexpensive. BUT. people have to want to do this. Which means ...... STAY IN SCHOOL to get the basics. Training should be free.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 19, 2021 17:33:04 GMT -5
IMHO ....... the answer is training/education. More apprenticeships ..... more trade schools ..... certificate programs ... something to prove to employers that people are willing to learn a new skill. Keep these training programs inexpensive. BUT. people have to want to do this. Which means ...... STAY IN SCHOOL to get the basics. Training should be free. And they should be located in neighborhoods that meet a certain criteria. Putting them in the wealthy neighborhoods will exclude people who just can't get there.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 19, 2021 17:36:24 GMT -5
We will also need to convince companies that every person in the building doesn't need a frickin' masters degree.
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Post by giramomma on Jan 19, 2021 18:34:57 GMT -5
IMHO ....... the answer is training/education. More apprenticeships ..... more trade schools ..... certificate programs ... something to prove to employers that people are willing to learn a new skill. Keep these training programs inexpensive. BUT. people have to want to do this. Which means ...... STAY IN SCHOOL to get the basics. It also means pony up for the infrastructure to make these things happen. Face-to-face education isn't sustainable in the rural parts of our state. But, you can't look to technology for help. Because no one makes a profit extended broadband to places where you blink, and you miss the gas station-which indicates that you've left town. I think the answer is broader than that. It's not even big ideas. You have half of the country firmly believing that we should decide on some things for the greater good. You have the other half of the country that insists that we shouldn't care about society as a whole, we should focus on the individuals within the society.
At least the Dems have more outs. Repubs can't come up with anything because it will back fire. We all agree doing basic things like teaching sex ex in schools and making birth control easy to obtain are no brainers. That's a tolerable message from the Dems. The repubs say that....political suicide. The Dems can push for good internet access for everyone. Fiscal conservative repubs can't, because that's gov't spending more money. Repubs know their supporters think health care is a privilege. They also know their supporters want small or no government. They can't try to suggest ways to make healthcare better..
I think the repubs really have themselves in a pickle, period. They are so concerned about doing whatever it takes to keep themselves in power that they won't go to their constituents and say "Hey. Broadband is a need. Yes gov't need to get involved. But, we won't be spying on you through the cameras on your device. Pinky Promise." or "Hey...my goal is 0 elective abortions because Heck YES! Pro-Life!. So let's make sure we have a great sex ed curriculum in the schools because we KNOW that works." Rather than trying to educate folks on how they are wrong, law makers capitulate. When you think about it, it really is the lazy way out. It would be so much easier on me if every time my kids made a wrong assumption about something..I shrugged my shoulders and said "You are RIGHT!." Actually trying to share other viewpoints, create dialog, and then engaging them in some critical thinking. That takes real work.
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Post by Tiny on Jan 19, 2021 19:33:59 GMT -5
We will also need to convince companies that every person in the building doesn't need a frickin' masters degree. LOL! that's the escalation due to there being a glut of employable people for a white collar job. If you've got 5 or 10 or 20 applicants for a desk job - you need some way to cull the resumes. I would imagine that if millions of young adults suddenly started shifting into the Trades each year - that the glut of trained workers would result in some going jobless OR would encourage lower pay for entry level job grades and if it went on long enough would erode the number of well paying trade jobs. I'm pretty sure if you want to get into a trade type job - you gotta know somebody (have a patron). Isn't that one of the reasons women (and minorities) were excluded or counseled away from these programs/jobs? It would lower everyone else's pay (along with messing with societal norms.)
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 19, 2021 19:57:05 GMT -5
In Iowa, the governor has made one of her priorities this legislative session, rural broadband. That goes along with bringing back the death penalty and making it next to impossible to get an abortion. We are the party of pro life, right? The GOP has both sides of the legislature so the Dems have no say this session in anything. We know how the GOP feels about masks. Their leader said there is nothing that allows him to require masks in the legislature. However, it's not allowed to wear blue jeans or halter tops in the chambers. An older GOP member brought up a mask mandate for the legislature today and got shot down. The legislature has already been notified there is one case of covid. However, the GOP says nobody has to report if they are positive. Apparently one person has a conscience.
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Post by wanttofire on Jan 19, 2021 21:20:31 GMT -5
People jump all over people living in poverty for not having an emergency fund. Also those just barely making it at $14 or $15 an hour. How does anyone expect someone making $15 an hour or less to have an emergency fund. Most can barely make the rent and buy food. If child care costs more than you are paid, why would you work? You will probably be kicked the social programs and have nothing for you or your children. Exactly! We get all outraged about helping people out but do not get outraged when Megacorps get help from the government, shouldn't we expect them to have an emergency fund? Why should we bail them out?
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 20, 2021 9:17:16 GMT -5
We will also need to convince companies that every person in the building doesn't need a frickin' masters degree. LOL! that's the escalation due to there being a glut of employable people for a white collar job. If you've got 5 or 10 or 20 applicants for a desk job - you need some way to cull the resumes. I would imagine that if millions of young adults suddenly started shifting into the Trades each year - that the glut of trained workers would result in some going jobless OR would encourage lower pay for entry level job grades and if it went on long enough would erode the number of well paying trade jobs. I'm pretty sure if you want to get into a trade type job - you gotta know somebody (have a patron). Isn't that one of the reasons women (and minorities) were excluded or counseled away from these programs/jobs? It would lower everyone else's pay (along with messing with societal norms.) I keep thinking about the air conditioning technician department in the show Community. 🤣🤣
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 20, 2021 9:34:05 GMT -5
IMHO ....... the answer is training/education. More apprenticeships ..... more trade schools ..... certificate programs ... something to prove to employers that people are willing to learn a new skill. Keep these training programs inexpensive. BUT. people have to want to do this. Which means ...... STAY IN SCHOOL to get the basics. It also means pony up for the infrastructure to make these things happen. Face-to-face education isn't sustainable in the rural parts of our state. But, you can't look to technology for help. Because no one makes a profit extended broadband to places where you blink, and you miss the gas station-which indicates that you've left town. I think the answer is broader than that. It's not even big ideas. You have half of the country firmly believing that we should decide on some things for the greater good. You have the other half of the country that insists that we shouldn't care about society as a whole, we should focus on the individuals within the society.
The Dems can push for good internet access for everyone. Fiscal conservative repubs can't, because that's gov't spending more money.
Honestly, Republicans could convince a lot of their supporters that investing in people, especially in good "hard working" skills would be a great thing for America. The problem is, they would have to piss off their BIG donors. That money has to come from somewhere. D's have giant wealthy that rule the roost, too. They haven't gotten a great foothold in those programs either. As far as remote learning - even if we do get broadband to every home in America. Do you want an electrician that learned over Zoom? Trades traditionally use apprenticeships, because you have to manipulate something with your hands - and that isn't easy to learn via reading or watching someone. At some point in your education you have to stand next to someone and work it together. Same with surgeons. Online education can help, but it won't solve everything. Maybe create schools in certain areas that have a small dorm and a few large empty classrooms, and rotate programs through. Next question - maybe countrygirl can answer - one of the anti-immigration tropes is that tradesman have flooded in and reduced the value of those skills. That seems to be a cyclical argument, as I heard it a lot after the 2008 housing crash, but now hear finding help in the construction industry is impossible and everyone raised their prices. Is there a glut or excess in the supply here?
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 20, 2021 9:42:42 GMT -5
People jump all over people living in poverty for not having an emergency fund. Also those just barely making it at $14 or $15 an hour. How does anyone expect someone making $15 an hour or less to have an emergency fund. Most can barely make the rent and buy food. If child care costs more than you are paid, why would you work? You will probably be kicked the social programs and have nothing for you or your children. Exactly! We get all outraged about helping people out but do not get outraged when Megacorps get help from the government, shouldn't we expect them to have an emergency fund? Why should we bail them out? When I worked for H & R Block, I heard so many people say when they saw the refund due to EITC or Child Care Credit, etc. "now I can pay my rent" or "now I can catch up on my car payments"
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Post by giramomma on Jan 20, 2021 10:47:03 GMT -5
It also means pony up for the infrastructure to make these things happen. Face-to-face education isn't sustainable in the rural parts of our state. But, you can't look to technology for help. Because no one makes a profit extended broadband to places where you blink, and you miss the gas station-which indicates that you've left town. I think the answer is broader than that. It's not even big ideas. You have half of the country firmly believing that we should decide on some things for the greater good. You have the other half of the country that insists that we shouldn't care about society as a whole, we should focus on the individuals within the society.
The Dems can push for good internet access for everyone. Fiscal conservative repubs can't, because that's gov't spending more money. Honestly, Republicans could convince a lot of their supporters that investing in people, especially in good "hard working" skills would be a great thing for America. The problem is, they would have to piss off their BIG donors. That money has to come from somewhere. D's have giant wealthy that rule the roost, too. They haven't gotten a great foothold in those programs either. As far as remote learning - even if we do get broadband to every home in America. Do you want an electrician that learned over Zoom? Trades traditionally use apprenticeships, because you have to manipulate something with your hands - and that isn't easy to learn via reading or watching someone. At some point in your education you have to stand next to someone and work it together. Same with surgeons. Online education can help, but it won't solve everything. Maybe create schools in certain areas that have a small dorm and a few large empty classrooms, and rotate programs through. Next question - maybe countrygirl can answer - one of the anti-immigration tropes is that tradesman have flooded in and reduced the value of those skills. That seems to be a cyclical argument, as I heard it a lot after the 2008 housing crash, but now hear finding help in the construction industry is impossible and everyone raised their prices. Is there a glut or excess in the supply here? Right, having infrastrure in place won't solve issues alone..but you can't ignore it either. There's a tech college out in Utah that has been piloting how to do hands-on electrical type courses at a distance. I got a chance to see into one, as I did some very basic course design work for them a couple of years ago. So, I don't know that I would discount that trades can absolutely not happen at a distance. In fact, the two folks that I worked with where getting some very decent grant money to figure out how to offer hands-on courses at a distance.
And I wasn't also clear that education also means the right education in HS. I read an article about how there wasn't enough chemistry teachers to go around in rural districts, and so in order to offer chemistry, the teacher HAD to online. I would think offering a staple like chemistry to high school kids would be a need, not a want. And clearly those two districts thought so as well.
I'm trying hard in my department, actually to change the concept of what education will be in the future. It's not going to be all face-to-face. It's not going to be all online. I think we'll get to a point where education can be customized based on wants and needs. There's some really exciting experimentation going on the school of business where I have my undergrad from...Because they are realizing old models of education don't work anymore. They are actually starting a professional MBA that uses digital badging as part of the degree. So, you take a set curriculum for a year. Then you get 6 digital badges and you get your MBA. Another thing I'm working is how to better integrate curriculum across all sorts of audiences..whether it's tradition undergrads, or the same material that needs to be repurposed for continuing educational needs.
The problem, as I see it, is that education is just painfully slow at embracing change. But, the old ways...they are starting to go away slowly. And it is so damn exciting. (It got me excited enough to seriously think about a PhD)
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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 20, 2021 13:21:35 GMT -5
People jump all over people living in poverty for not having an emergency fund. Also those just barely making it at $14 or $15 an hour. How does anyone expect someone making $15 an hour or less to have an emergency fund. Most can barely make the rent and buy food. If child care costs more than you are paid, why would you work? You will probably be kicked the social programs and have nothing for you or your children. Exactly! We get all outraged about helping people out but do not get outraged when Megacorps get help from the government, shouldn't we expect them to have an emergency fund? Why should we bail them out? Thats what drives me nuts. Too big to fail doesnt mean all of there employees get to stay employed. Why are individuals held to such higher standards.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 20, 2021 13:41:44 GMT -5
Exactly! We get all outraged about helping people out but do not get outraged when Megacorps get help from the government, shouldn't we expect them to have an emergency fund? Why should we bail them out? Thats what drives me nuts. Too big to fail doesnt mean all of there employees get to stay employed. Why are individuals held to such higher standards. Because rich people own all the politicians.
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Post by wanttofire on Jan 20, 2021 15:07:53 GMT -5
Thats what drives me nuts. Too big to fail doesnt mean all of there employees get to stay employed. Why are individuals held to such higher standards. Because rich people own all the politicians. Bingo! And once again we know why it is better to keep us divided.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jan 21, 2021 14:18:52 GMT -5
IMHO ....... the answer is training/education. More apprenticeships ..... more trade schools ..... certificate programs ... something to prove to employers that people are willing to learn a new skill. Keep these training programs inexpensive. BUT. people have to want to do this. Which means ...... STAY IN SCHOOL to get the basics. Training should be free. Training should be done in high school. If you wait until people are on their own to even try to give them any kind of practical skills, it's already too late. Even if it means that super smart kids from poor families are getting pushed into the trades, if they're making decent money, they can make up any college prep material they missed at the community college and go on from there. Letting disadvantaged kids graduate high school unable to support themselves is mean and stupid. And yes, retraining should be free for poor people and nearly free for everyone else. My husband is paying $6000/year for a second degree. Most of his professors have day jobs in the industry. Because of this, he isn't wasting his time learning useless skills, and his professors can network on his behalf. For a lot of fields, this is how education should be. Practical, up to date, job oriented--not obsolete crap taught by ivory tower eggheads who haven't had a job in private industry in decades, if at all. He's a year from graduating, already has recruiters calling him, and his professors are all talking about which companies are a fit for him that they can recommend him for.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jan 21, 2021 14:35:55 GMT -5
My husband and I discussed the $15/ hour minimum wage last night, and we both have reservations, his thoughts being a little more formed than my thoughts. In the end, I am extremely worried about the wage and wealth gap. We are back to the point where every other society with a gap this large starts seeing serious consequences for it. Our social unrest right now is tied to that gap. Maybe this time the rich people have been more successful getting the poor people to turn on each other rather than them, but that won't last forever, and I am prime to be a loser in the case of turmoil. I am so wide open to anything we could do as a society that would balance the scales a little, but haven't heard much from conservatives that would close the gap. Obviously eliminating regulations would help business, but i see no way that would get to the workers. I am also the first to admit I haven't been very diligent about searching out conservative policy ideas. So, please, please let me know what they are proposing that could close that gap a little. I agree with you. There have been no proposals from the conservative side on this, I guess the tax cuts were supposed to help but as we know “trickle down economics” well, it just doesn’t trickle. In my mega corp, corporate taxes, was not a big decision maker in whether we invest or build and create more jobs. Actually if we were expected to have 12% return on a project before then now we should have a 14% because we pay less taxes. Giving tax breaks to corporations does not create more jobs, you know what creates more jobs? Demand. What creates demand? People having money in their pockets. If you provide to low earners they will spend it at a higher rate than a high earner. Me? I would have just saved it. Conservatives have had ideas in the past, but they generally get slandered and lambasted for it.
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Post by haapai on Jan 21, 2021 14:42:06 GMT -5
I got my fourth quarter 2020 401(k) statement about an hour ago. Holy molley! I've had a great little pandemic!
Yes, I'd say that inequities are becoming greater.
I'm going to go sit in a corner now and chant "paper gain, luck, paper gain, luck..." until the fizzy and self-righteous feelings are quenched. That will keep me from feeling rich and too self-confident, but it won't do much for solving the inequities that are getting wider.
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billisonboard
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 21, 2021 14:49:00 GMT -5
Training should be done in high school. If you wait until people are on their own to even try to give them any kind of practical skills, it's already too late. Even if it means that super smart kids from poor families are getting pushed into the trades, if they're making decent money, they can make up any college prep material they missed at the community college and go on from there. Letting disadvantaged kids graduate high school unable to support themselves is mean and stupid. And yes, retraining should be free for poor people and nearly free for everyone else. My husband is paying $6000/year for a second degree. Most of his professors have day jobs in the industry. Because of this, he isn't wasting his time learning useless skills, and his professors can network on his behalf. For a lot of fields, this is how education should be. Practical, up to date, job oriented--not obsolete crap taught by ivory tower eggheads who haven't had a job in private industry in decades, if at all. He's a year from graduating, already has recruiters calling him, and his professors are all talking about which companies are a fit for him that they can recommend him for. Super smart kids should be in college track programs without regard to family economic resources. Students of moderate intelligence should be pushed into learning a trade even if Mommy and Daddy are rich.
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