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Post by swamp on Jul 22, 2022 14:33:56 GMT -5
I see his strategy of going medieval on the prosecution (ie sitting there like a bump on a log) worked. /s
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Post by swamp on Jul 22, 2022 14:34:36 GMT -5
US District Judge Carl Nichols has set Steve Bannon's sentencing for Oct. 21. ... Bannon faces a minimum sentence of 30 days in jail, according to federal law. Wonder what the maximum sentence would be. "Hey Steve, I suggest you testify so you don't find out." One year on each charge, consecutive, so 2 years total. It would be served in the DC local jail, not a prison.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 22, 2022 14:37:35 GMT -5
He is 68, a couple years older than I am. A year or two in prison at this point in life would be significant to me.
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Post by swamp on Jul 22, 2022 14:40:12 GMT -5
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Post by irishpad on Jul 22, 2022 14:44:53 GMT -5
Stephen Bannon found guilty on both counts. After two days of hearing evidence and witness testimony, the jury reached a unanimous verdict in less than three hours. I bet it was less than three minutes but they stalled to get lunch. I was on a DUI jury. So obvious, video tracked it all. We made sure we got lunch first.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 22, 2022 14:59:05 GMT -5
Hope for the maximum. Two sentences, one year each, to be served consecutively. Plus the fine. Only $2000 perhaps, but I'm sure Trump will pay it out of his reelection donations. ETA: Sorry, didn't realize there was another page.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2022 15:02:36 GMT -5
1 year max on each count. i wish it were 15 months each.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 22, 2022 15:08:23 GMT -5
That must have been an incredible scene in the courtroom. Bannon's attorneys were hit with FOUR sustained objections during their closing arguments? Isn't even one objection during closing pretty rare, and to have four of them SUSTAINED? I'm guessing that after everything that transpired leading up to and during the trial both by Bannon and his attorneys, this judge is not going to be predisposed to leniency. Not that that is going to have any effect on the sentencing, of course....
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Post by tallguy on Jul 22, 2022 15:11:07 GMT -5
1 year max on each count. i wish it were 15 months each. Don't worry, he probably won't report right away, so a max sentence will probably keep him in past election day anyway.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 22, 2022 15:12:03 GMT -5
I would be happy with him crawling to the committee to testify and then the $2000 fine. I don't want to pay to feed and house him unless he continues to be defiant.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 22, 2022 15:16:50 GMT -5
1 year max on each count. i wish it were 15 months each. Don't worry, he probably won't report right away, so a max sentence will probably keep him in past election day anyway. Not going to research it but I don't think misdemeanor convictions will prevent him from voting by mail from jail.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 22, 2022 15:17:09 GMT -5
That must have been an incredible scene in the courtroom. Bannon's attorneys were hit with FOUR sustained objections during their closing arguments? Isn't even one objection during closing pretty rare, and to have four of them SUSTAINED? I'm guessing that after everything that transpired leading up to and during the trial both by Bannon and his attorneys, this judge is not going to be predisposed to leniency. Not that that is going to have any effect on the sentencing, of course.... The judge in Bannon' trial was nominated by trump.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 22, 2022 15:20:14 GMT -5
Don't worry, he probably won't report right away, so a max sentence will probably keep him in past election day anyway. Not going to research it but I don't think misdemeanor convictions will prevent him from voting by mail from jail. And I don't think Steve Bannon's desires with regard to elections are ever solely limited to casting a ballot.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 22, 2022 15:37:10 GMT -5
Not going to research it but I don't think misdemeanor convictions will prevent him from voting by mail from jail. And I don't think Steve Bannon's desires with regard to elections are ever solely limited to casting a ballot. Good point. Being locked up would limit access to media.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2022 16:10:27 GMT -5
1 year max on each count. i wish it were 15 months each. Don't worry, he probably won't report right away, so a max sentence will probably keep him in past election day anyway. i am hoping he is out awaiting sentencing until after the first week of November.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2022 16:11:56 GMT -5
Not going to research it but I don't think misdemeanor convictions will prevent him from voting by mail from jail. And I don't think Steve Bannon's desires with regard to elections are ever solely limited to casting a ballot. voting? LOL!!!! that is the LAST of my concerns. he can vote all he likes.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 22, 2022 16:20:47 GMT -5
And I don't think Steve Bannon's desires with regard to elections are ever solely limited to casting a ballot. voting? LOL!!!! that is the LAST of my concerns. he can vote all he likes. Well, once anyway.
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Post by swamp on Jul 22, 2022 17:06:08 GMT -5
That must have been an incredible scene in the courtroom. Bannon's attorneys were hit with FOUR sustained objections during their closing arguments? Isn't even one objection during closing pretty rare, and to have four of them SUSTAINED? I'm guessing that after everything that transpired leading up to and during the trial both by Bannon and his attorneys, this judge is not going to be predisposed to leniency. Not that that is going to have any effect on the sentencing, of course.... You don’t object in closing unless the opponent had gone waaaaaay over the line. Or you are a complete ass. I’m goi Green with 1
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Post by swamp on Jul 22, 2022 17:06:55 GMT -5
I would be happy with him crawling to the committee to testify and then the $2000 fine. I don't want to pay to feed and house him unless he continues to be defiant. I’ll happily pay for it.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 22, 2022 17:31:10 GMT -5
I would be happy with him crawling to the committee to testify and then the $2000 fine. I don't want to pay to feed and house him unless he continues to be defiant. I’ll happily pay for it. I am sure that whichever jurisdiction will accept your personal check.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2022 18:34:00 GMT -5
I would be happy with him crawling to the committee to testify and then the $2000 fine. I don't want to pay to feed and house him unless he continues to be defiant. I’ll happily pay for it. i just had a happy thought. Bannon can still be charged with seditious conspiracy.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 22, 2022 21:16:00 GMT -5
Saluting and encouraging the angry mob as they approached the Capitol building. Then on the run from the angry crowd. I know. I watched. And ...? There is this I just read: The slow-mo moment that everyone will remember from the latest January 6 committee hearingFor all of the revelations that have come out of the January 6 committee, it may be Hawley's slow-motion run from the Capitol that is the most memorable -- and powerful. He helped rile up the mob but then had to run from it, just like everyone else. Of all the information detailing what the former President did and did not do, what will be remembered as the most powerful is ... Josh Hawley? That is why I consider it unfortunately distracting. Why might they have included it? It took more than a year, but the January 6 committee got its revenge on Sen. Josh Hawley Thursday night. Revenge? That is why I think it was an unnecessary cheap shot. I think it’s important to remember what was said up front, when they were showing Harley strutting along doing the fist bump - one of the officers manning the security fence turned and saw Hawley doing that, and was put off by the fact that Hawley was egging on the Trump minions in a cocky way, comfortable back in the safety behind those fences and guards. Then fast forward a few hours with the MAGA crowd pushing a little too close to him, and all the bravura evaporates and he scuttles off to safety like everyone else. To me, it might be petty, but it’s a jab at Hawley for egging what he clearly knows is an out of control mob. I don’t mind it.
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Post by tbop77 on Jul 23, 2022 6:24:52 GMT -5
I think the Hawley's fist bump was done to show the hypocrisy of the whole bunch of them. Egg the crowd on and expect the Capitol police to protect you? Kinda like Mitch's speech the day after when he was adamant Trump was responsible. And Kevin Mccarthy...and Lindsey Graham. THEY ALL FUCKING KNOW WHAT HAPPENED and still here we are, still having to deal with Trump and his big loud mouth. And the idiots that support him. Trump held a rally in Prescott Valley to support his endorsed candidate for governor, Kari Lake, and his endorsed candidate for Senate, Blake Masters. During his speech, he said he was watching the committee’s most recent hearing on Thursday, which focused on Trump’s actions as the riot took place at the Capitol building, and called it a “hoax.” thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3571385-trump-rails-against-jan-6-committee-during-arizona-rally/
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 23, 2022 10:30:40 GMT -5
Of course Bannon appeared on Fox. Where else would Bannon go to air his lies and grievances. Bannon attacks Jan. 6 committee on Fox News after Congress contempt conviction
Hours after being convicted of contempt of Congress on Friday for refusing to cooperate with the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, Stephen K. Bannon appeared on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show and attacked the panel’s legitimacy. Bannon, a far-right media and political figure who served as White House chief strategist in the Trump administration, was required by subpoena to provide testimony and documents to the committee. His defense counsel insisted that he did not intentionally refuse to comply, though a jury returned a guilty verdict after 2½ hours of deliberation. But Bannon struck a belligerent tone during his Friday interview with Carlson, and appeared to threaten congressional staffers on the committee with an investigation into their work. “I will tell the Jan. 6 staff right now, preserve your documents, because there’s going to be a real committee and this has to be backed by Republican grass-roots voters,” he said. “The Democrats are completely lawless, look at how they’ve run this committee,” he said of the bipartisan panel. Bannon also repeated a GOP talking point that there was no ranking Republican on the committee, though Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), a prominent critic of President Donald Trump’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election, serves as vice chair. A Trump-appointed federal judge has ruled that Cheney serving as vice chair instead of “ranking minority member” is a distinction without a difference. Representatives for Cheney and Rep. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), chair of the Jan. 6 Committee, did not immediately return requests for comment. Bannon is one of only two Trump officials to face criminal charges linked to rebuffing the committee, alongside ex-White House trade adviser Peter K. Navarro. His sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 21. Each of the two misdemeanor offenses that Bannon has been found guilty of carries a penalty of between 30 days and one year in jail, though no one has been jailed for contempt of Congress since 1948. Rest of article here: Bannon attacks Jan. 6 committee on Fox News after Congress contempt conviction
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 23, 2022 10:46:48 GMT -5
So the Republicans, if they take control of the House, are going to hold hearings attempting to prove that Nancy Pelosi was derelict in her duties to defend the Capitol from a Trump incited insurrection? Anyone else see a problem for the GOP with that?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 23, 2022 10:58:41 GMT -5
So the Republicans, if they take control of the House, are going to hold hearings attempting to prove that Nancy Pelosi was derelict in her duties to defend the Capitol from a Trump incited insurrection? Anyone else see a problem for the GOP with that? 187 minutes?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 23, 2022 11:25:41 GMT -5
So the Republicans, if they take control of the House, are going to hold hearings attempting to prove that Nancy Pelosi was derelict in her duties to defend the Capitol from a Trump incited insurrection? Anyone else see a problem for the GOP with that? 187 minutes? I think she should take the hit: "Yes, we are guilty of underestimating the extreme lengths that Donald Trump would go in his coup attempt. We did not imagine that he would actively incite an insurrection on that day. We should have been more prepared to thwart his efforts to not allow a peaceful transfer of power and is work to destroy our democracy. We welcome these hearings to determine what more we could have done to stop him."
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 23, 2022 11:28:45 GMT -5
And add "We should have been prepared to defend our country from the outgoing president."
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 23, 2022 14:11:10 GMT -5
this is a little bit academic and slow, but gets to the point eventually:
he endeavors to come up with a PITHY definition of fascism and settles on this:
"we think with the blood of our nation".
that is paraphrasing Popper. i think it is pretty good, actually. i am starting to think that Trump was not just a demagogue who spouted fascist ideals, but a wannabe fascist. i am not mincing words any longer. if you vote for Trump, you vote for fascism. period.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 24, 2022 9:20:38 GMT -5
It appears even Rupert Murdoch is turning in Trump. 'Incitement by silence': Rupert Murdoch's newspapers blister Trump after J6 hearings
Donald Trump has lost the confidence of both of the major newspapers owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation. Under the headline, "The President Who Stood Still on Jan. 6," The Wall Street Journal editorial board harshly criticized the former president. "No matter your views of the Jan. 6 special committee, the facts it is laying out in hearings are sobering. The most horrifying to date came Thursday in a hearing on President Trump’s conduct as the riot raged and he sat watching TV, posting inflammatory tweets and refusing to send help," the editorial board wrote. "The committee’s critics are right that it lacks political balance," the newspaper wrote. "Still, the brute facts remain: Mr. Trump took an oath to defend the Constitution, and he had a duty as Commander in Chief to protect the Capitol from a mob attacking it in his name. He refused. He didn’t call the military to send help. He didn’t call Mr. Pence to check on the safety of his loyal VP. Instead he fed the mob’s anger and let the riot play out." The editorial concluded, "Character is revealed in a crisis, and Mr. Pence passed his Jan. 6 trial. Mr. Trump utterly failed his." Trump was also criticized by the NY Post editorial board under the headline, "Trump's silence on Jan. 6 is damning." "As his followers stormed the Capitol, calling on his vice president to be hanged, President Donald Trump sat in his private dining room, watching TV, doing nothing. For three hours, seven minutes," the editorial board wrote. "There has been much debate over whether Trump’s rally speech on Jan. 6, 2021, constituted “incitement.” That’s somewhat of a red herring. What matters more — and has become crystal clear in recent days — is that Trump didn’t lift a finger to stop the violence that followed," the NY Post wrote. "And he was the only person who could stop what was happening. He was the only one the crowd was listening to. It was incitement by silence." The tabloid concluded he is unfit for office. "His only focus was to find any means — damn the consequences — to block the peaceful transfer of power. There is no other explanation, just as there is no defense, for his refusal to stop the violence," the newspaper wrote. "It’s up to the Justice Department to decide if this is a crime. But as a matter of principle, as a matter of character, Trump has proven himself unworthy to be this country’s chief executive again." 'Incitement by silence': Rupert Murdoch's newspapers blister Trump after J6 hearings
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