January 6th Bomb Exploded

[happyhoix]

Feb 6, 2024 17:40:59 GMT -5 busymom said:

I gently suggest that if this happens again, the Capital police step aside, and escort the rioters to the offices of the Republicans who approve of this resolution.  Hopefully, in their agitated state, karma will be allowed to do whatever it is karma does.      Remember, the Republicans were hiding too while the Capital was being ripped apart.  


I'm sadly NOT surprised that Gaetz is behind this.  He's probably hoping for a high post if God forbid Trump gets back in office.  He's a useful toady to the GOP.

Gaetz might need a pardon from Trump. Ethics committee is sniffing around his underage dating pool again.

[busymom]

Maybe Gaetz is hoping to be VP?  Of course, considering Trump's last VP almost got hung in the rioting, it's not exactly a safe job.  

[thyme4change]

Can’t we just let Florida and Texas and whoever wants to join them drift off into the ocean and become an island nation? Conservatives have been saying that about CA for decades - goose/gander.

[tbop77]

“Welcome to the end of democracy.” In other words, welcome to the modern conservative movement.



Yes, these words were actually uttered on stage Wednesday at the 2024 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) by right-wing conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec. And he wasn’t joking around.


“We’re here to overthrow [democracy] completely,” he continued. “We didn’t get all the way there on Jan. 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this right here,” Posobiec boasted. “That’s right, because all glory is not to government, all glory to God,” he said.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/cpac-s-a-joke-but-it-s-a-useful-window-into-the-deep-maga-fringe/ar-BB1iNFM2?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=155e3a35db094edfa3d42cc9f800e36a&ei=25

I hope people are listening!  

[Tennesseer]

[Tennesseer]

Republicans clapped when a 'cool dictator' defended Trump. Somehow that makes sense.

Nayib Bukele, El Salvador's president, was given a hero's welcome Thursday while speaking at the Conservative Political Action Committee's annual conference.

The charismatic 42-year-old, who just defied his country's constitution this month to win a second term, markets himself as "the world's coolest dictator."

He sounded like an enthusiastic surrogate for Donald Trump's bid to retake the White House, without even mentioning Trump by name.

But Bukele is more than that.

He's also a guide and template for authoritarian rule. And he was speaking in a Maryland ballroom to a crowd of Trump supporters with a strong appetite for that sort of thing. The part that went unsaid: Bukele has already accomplished autocratic achievements that eluded Trump during his one term as president.

Trump couldn't steamroll Congress or the courts as president. He failed to overturn his 2020 loss to Joe Biden. The Supreme Court's conservative super-majority did not rescue his presidency from defeat.

He wants an autocratic do-over.

Authoritarians always cast themselves as a bulwark against some terrible threat.

Bukele's popularity in El Salvador is tied to his brutal arrests of more than 76,000 suspected gang members who had effectively controlled the country through violence and murder for years. Swept up in that were more than 7,000 people who were later let go.

But speaking here, his boogieman was "globalism" – the view that the political and economic interactions of countries should be coordinated. He said America's next president must have the courage to confront a problem already unfolding here.

"Above all, you must be able to identify the underlying forces that will conspire against him," Bukele said. "These dark forces are already taking over in your country. You may not see it yet. But it's already happening."

Bukele's biggest cheer came when he spoke about removing "corrupt" judges and prosecutors. The crowd, which chanted "USA" after that, was clearly thinking about Trump's criminal cases pending in New York, Washington, D.C., Georgia and Florida.

Rest of article here:  Republicans clapped when a 'cool dictator' defended Trump. Somehow that makes sense.

[djAdvocate]

“That’s right, because all glory is not to government, all glory to God,”

i think this is great, if he follows through on it. if religious folks stuck to religion and stayed out of government, the world would be vastly better than it is.

[Tennesseer]

Our eyes must have deceived us on January 6, 2021. Those who quietly walked to Congress after trump's peaceful, truthful speech protested through a sit-down protest and kumbayaed until trump told them to go home.

GOP report seeks to discredit Jan. 6 committee, exonerate Trump

House Republicans on Monday issued a new report on the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, seeking to discredit Congress’s initial investigation into the 2021 rampage and exonerate former President Trump of any wrongdoing as he races to return to the White House next year.

Behind Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.), chair of the House Administration Committee’s Oversight subpanel, the Republicans have accused the Jan. 6 select committee — which operated during the last Congress, under Democratic control — of conducting a partisan witch hunt designed solely to harm Trump politically.

The 80-page report of initial findings, released by Loudermilk, amplifies that narrative. It blames the Jan. 6 attack on leaders of the U.S. Capitol Police, for a failure to provide proper security; questions the reliability of the select committee’s star witness, Cassidy Hutchinson; and accuses former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) of fashioning a one-sided investigation in which the facts were manipulated and Trump’s guilt was predetermined before the first witness was called.

GOP leaders welcomed the new report as a kind of counternarrative to the select committee’s conclusions, which blamed Trump for orchestrating the riot.

“This House Administration Oversight Subcommittee investigation is necessary to correct the incomplete narrative advanced by the partisan Select Committee on the January 6 Attack, and today’s initial report is an important step in that process,” Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) said in a statement.

Rest of article here:  GOP report seeks to discredit Jan. 6 committee, exonerate Trump

[djAdvocate]

blaming the cops for crime?

that is pretty fringe.

[Tennesseer]

Trump doubles down on call for Liz Cheney to be prosecuted

Former President Trump on Sunday doubled down on his push for former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) to be prosecuted over allegations she and the other Jan. 6 committee members purposely withheld testimony and details from their investigation into the former president’s actions during the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection.

Trump, on Truth Social on Sunday, posted a piece from former Trump administration aide Kash Patel published in The Federalist last week, in which Patel claimed Cheney and the House Jan. 6 committee “suppressed evidence” about the former president’s authorization of National Guard troops during the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection.

“SHE SHOULD BE PROSECUTED FOR WHAT SHE HAS DONE TO OUR COUNTRY! SHE ILLEGALLY DESTROYED THE EVIDENCE. UNREAL!!!” Trump wrote on Truth Social while linking to Patel’s piece.

Cheney clapped back Sunday at Trump’s calls for her to be jailed on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, writing, “Hi Donald: you know these are lies. You have had all the grand jury & J6 transcripts for many months. You’re trying to halt your 1/6 trial because your VP, WH counsel, WH aides, campaign & DOJ officials etc. will testify against you. You’re afraid of the truth and you should be.”

Rest of article here: Trump doubles down on call for Liz Cheney to be prosecuted

[djAdvocate]

Feb 24, 2024 13:34:15 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

“Welcome to the end of democracy.” In other words, welcome to the modern conservative movement.



Yes, these words were actually uttered on stage Wednesday at the 2024 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) by right-wing conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec. And he wasn’t joking around.


“We’re here to overthrow [democracy] completely,” he continued. “We didn’t get all the way there on Jan. 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this right here,” Posobiec boasted. “That’s right, because all glory is not to government, all glory to God,” he said.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/cpac-s-a-joke-but-it-s-a-useful-window-into-the-deep-maga-fringe/ar-BB1iNFM2?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=155e3a35db094edfa3d42cc9f800e36a&ei=25

I hope people are listening!  

i think he thinks that GLORY and POWER are synonyms.

[djAdvocate]

incidentally, i fervently disagree with that statement.

the only power that should be rendered to God is that which is God's. power over men is best residing in the people, not God, or any person who purports to represent hIM.

[Tennesseer]

[billisonboard]

Worth the read: Opinion: Trump warns his supporters of bad weather, but welcomed the Jan. 6 hurricane

Two different rallies in support of Donald Trump posed a dangerous situation, yet produced two vastly different responses from the former president.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 22, 2024 9:17:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Worth the read: Opinion: Trump warns his supporters of bad weather, but welcomed the Jan. 6 hurricane

Two different rallies in support of Donald Trump posed a dangerous situation, yet produced two vastly different responses from the former president.

Good article.

It's A shame the issues in the article are not related to trump's current criminal trial being heard now in the courts.

[Tennesseer]

Man who violently fought cops gets 2nd-longest Jan. 6 sentence: 20 years

David Dempsey came prepared for battle, prosecutors said. He pleaded guilty this year to two counts of assaulting police with dangerous or deadly weapons.

David N. Dempsey came to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the U.S. Capitol well-prepared and well-experienced in committing violence at political rallies. He wore a bulletproof tactical vest, a black helmet and a gaiter to obscure most of his face, and he brought a spare gaiter and shirt that he changed into during the riot.

Before climbing up over other rioters on the steps of the Capitol, he gave an interview in front of the gallows constructed nearby and rattled off the names of prominent Democrats he hated. “They don’t need a jail cell,” Dempsey said. “They need to hang from these.”

Dempsey then repeatedly attacked police in the lower West Terrace tunnel for more than an hour, throwing poles and deploying bear spray at the line of officers protecting the Capitol. He used bear spray directly inside the mask of one officer, who testified that he thought he might die, and used a crutch to smash another officer’s head, giving him a concussion.

U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth sentenced Dempsey, 37, to 20 years in prison Friday, the second-longest sentence of the approximately 950 defendants sentenced so far. Only Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys who was convicted of seditious conspiracy, received a longer sentence of 22 years.

“Your conduct on January 6 was especially egregious,” Lamberth told Dempsey. “You didn’t make a split-second decision to use violence. You did not get carried away in the moment. You have a long and well-documented history of inflicting violence on political opponents.”

Rest of article here: Man who violently fought cops gets 2nd-longest Jan. 6 sentence: 20 years

[thyme4change]

Trump may be surprised that people won’t repeat this behavior IF he loses again.

[scgal]

Aug 9, 2024 19:06:11 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Trump may be surprised that people won’t repeat this behavior IF he loses again.

I wish that would be true but it will probably be 10x worse.

[tbop77]

Aug 9, 2024 18:01:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Man who violently fought cops gets 2nd-longest Jan. 6 sentence: 20 years

David Dempsey came prepared for battle, prosecutors said. He pleaded guilty this year to two counts of assaulting police with dangerous or deadly weapons.

David N. Dempsey came to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack at the U.S. Capitol well-prepared and well-experienced in committing violence at political rallies. He wore a bulletproof tactical vest, a black helmet and a gaiter to obscure most of his face, and he brought a spare gaiter and shirt that he changed into during the riot.

Before climbing up over other rioters on the steps of the Capitol, he gave an interview in front of the gallows constructed nearby and rattled off the names of prominent Democrats he hated. “They don’t need a jail cell,” Dempsey said. “They need to hang from these.”

Dempsey then repeatedly attacked police in the lower West Terrace tunnel for more than an hour, throwing poles and deploying bear spray at the line of officers protecting the Capitol. He used bear spray directly inside the mask of one officer, who testified that he thought he might die, and used a crutch to smash another officer’s head, giving him a concussion.

U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth sentenced Dempsey, 37, to 20 years in prison Friday, the second-longest sentence of the approximately 950 defendants sentenced so far. Only Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys who was convicted of seditious conspiracy, received a longer sentence of 22 years.

“Your conduct on January 6 was especially egregious,” Lamberth told Dempsey. “You didn’t make a split-second decision to use violence. You did not get carried away in the moment. You have a long and well-documented history of inflicting violence on political opponents.”

Rest of article here: Man who violently fought cops gets 2nd-longest Jan. 6 sentence: 20 years

And then Trump gets on stage and calls these people patriots.  At his press conference he stated no one was killed.  I do not see how Trump can look himself in the mirror after what he caused to happen at the Capitol.  And I surely do not understand how any conservative can support him.

[billisonboard]

Aug 10, 2024 6:14:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 9, 2024 19:06:11 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Trump may be surprised that people won’t repeat this behavior IF he loses again.

I wish that would be true but it will probably be 10x worse.

I only disagree on multitude (based on body count). I think it would be hundreds, if not thousands, next time. Our government showed tremendous restraint, which I am glad it did, that I don't think will or should happen again. Advertising a kill line and enforcing it needs to be done.

[scgal]

Aug 10, 2024 7:53:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 10, 2024 6:14:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

I wish that would be true but it will probably be 10x worse.

I only disagree on multitude (based on body count). I think it would be hundreds, if not thousands, next time. Our government showed tremendous restraint, which I am glad it did, that I don't think will or should happen again. Advertising a kill line and enforcing it needs to be done.

Agreed, there will be one on the opposite side of this too that is what i'm afraid of

[billisonboard]

Aug 10, 2024 9:38:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 10, 2024 7:53:27 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I only disagree on multitude (based on body count). I think it would be hundreds, if not thousands, next time. Our government showed tremendous restraint, which I am glad it did, that I don't think will or should happen again. Advertising a kill line and enforcing it needs to be done.

Agreed, there will be one on the opposite side of this too that is what i'm afraid of

Assuming "one" means kill line, I am not sure how it would apply. What "line" would the government cross? Inaugurating a legally elected President?

[thyme4change]

Aug 10, 2024 6:14:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 9, 2024 19:06:11 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Trump may be surprised that people won’t repeat this behavior IF he loses again.

I wish that would be true but it will probably be 10x worse.

If there is a wiff of talk of it happening, they will guard DC like black people are coming.

[billisonboard]

Aug 10, 2024 10:57:58 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 10, 2024 6:14:04 GMT -5 scgal said:

I wish that would be true but it will probably be 10x worse.

If there is a wiff of talk of it happening, they will guard DC like black people are coming.

Or better yet, like Nazis are coming.

[tbop77]

I've always believed Trump waited 3 hours for the shooting to start before he called them off.  Probably disappointed they didn't "fight like hell" for him.  

[billisonboard]

Aug 10, 2024 11:51:26 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

I've always believed Trump waited 3 hours for the shooting to start before he called them off.  Probably disappointed they didn't "fight like hell" for him.  

I don't think he really cared who started shooting. He was disappointed it didn't deteriorate to the point he could declare martial law.

[happyhoix]

Aug 10, 2024 11:57:03 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 10, 2024 11:51:26 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

I've always believed Trump waited 3 hours for the shooting to start before he called them off.  Probably disappointed they didn't "fight like hell" for him.  

I don't think he really cared who started shooting. He was disappointed it didn't deteriorate to the point he could declare martial law.

Yeah the problem for Trump is that this time, Biden will still be president, so Trump can’t declare martial law. He will have to hope that parts of the military/national guard will defect and join his cause, if fighting starts. 

His second problem is since he’s not president, Trump can’t warn off the local police and national guard, telling them ‘not to be harsh’ with them because they are Trump’s minions. This time there will be a ton of troops present, all very well armed, and ready with the tear gas and rubber bullets if any shamans with buffalo horn hats start running towards their lines. 

I’m more concerned about non-DC attacks, especially in Red states, where militias might try to seize government offices. 

[billisonboard]

Aug 10, 2024 13:51:59 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 10, 2024 11:57:03 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I don't think he really cared who started shooting. He was disappointed it didn't deteriorate to the point he could declare martial law.

Yeah the problem for Trump is that this time, Biden will still be president, so Trump can’t declare martial law. He will have to hope that parts of the military/national guard will defect and join his cause, if fighting starts. 

His second problem is since he’s not president, Trump can’t warn off the local police and national guard, telling them ‘not to be harsh’ with them because they are Trump’s minions. This time there will be a ton of troops present, all very well armed, and ready with the tear gas and rubber bullets if any shamans with buffalo horn hats start running towards their lines. 

I’m more concerned about non-DC attacks, especially in Red states, where militias might try to seize government offices. 

Re the last, reminds me of this: Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

And in case you don't remember it, this video is a good documentation of it:


 I mean, really, what will they do after seizing an office?

[Opti]

to the people who did the video. I do remember when that happened, but this is a much more fun summary and brilliantly done too.

[scgal]

Aug 10, 2024 10:16:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 10, 2024 9:38:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

Agreed, there will be one on the opposite side of this too that is what i'm afraid of

Assuming "one" means kill line, I am not sure how it would apply. What "line" would the government cross? Inaugurating a legally elected President?

I don't think you got the meaning. If there is fighting it could esclate to something very severe. I'm not talking about some rednecks with rifles either. These groups are highly armed, and well financed. Like I said I hope it doesn't happen because they are not going to care about casualties. Most likely the capitol will not be their target. We will be under martial law just to contain it no matter who is president.