Guess who has COVID?

[TheOtherMe]

Is brother still in hospital?

[jerseygirl]

Sorry to hear he needs oxygen. He is young and will recover. Sincerely hoping you don’t test positive . Good for you isolating from your vulnerable family.

Can tell just In just this small group of people on the BB that COVID is more widespread now we are learning of people they know, themselves getting Covid. In the spring no one posting knew close people or themselves had Covid
Thanks to God and all who are helping to bring us effective and safe vaccines so amazingly fast to rid ourselves of this plaque
Take care all

[Deleted]

Nov 22, 2020 8:54:42 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Sorry to hear he needs oxygen. He is young and will recover. Sincerely hoping you don’t test positive . Good for you isolating from your vulnerable family.

Can tell just In just this small group of people on the BB that COVID is more widespread now we are learning of people they know, themselves getting Covid. In the spring no one posting knew close people or themselves had Covid
Thanks to God and all who are helping to bring us effective and safe vaccines so amazingly fast to rid ourselves of this plague
Take care all

I agree- in the first few months I knew of credible second-hand cases (friends or family of people I knew) and only one I knew personally (fortunately she survived and seems OK).  I can now think of 9 in addition to her that I know personally.

[Deleted]

My daughter told me she had read an interesting article.  Apparently, the majority of people who get covid do not infect anyone else.  There is a small minority (I think she said 10% but not sure) that is spreading it.  Of course, there is no way to know which ones are spreading it.  She promised to send me the link.  If she does, I'll post it.  She's a pharmacist so she reads a lot of medical stuff.

It was her possible explanation of why only one person in her family of seven got covid.  The rest tested negative.

Still, she had to quarantine for 14 days even with a negative test.  I guess it is because it is her child, but Walmart paid for it.

[TheOtherMe]

I know over 20 people at least who have had covid.  Some were asymptomatic.  Several have died.  One is on a ventilator for the second time in her battle.  I don't think having to go back on ventilator after having been taken off ventilator bodes well for her.

Not all young people have an easy time.  

As testing is getting harder to find here, the numbers may decrease but that does not mean the cases will.

The number of hospitalizations went down since yesterday, but 33 people in the state died.

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 22, 2020 2:33:14 GMT -5 TheHaitian said:

Nov 22, 2020 2:28:32 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

So you're not going to isolate? You just lost all right to complain about people not wearing masks.

Been isolating in my basement since yesterday; got tested this morning. If my test come back negative (in 2-4 days) I have to go back to work or my company does not cover it.

They only cover more - up to 14 days, if my test comes back positive. Waiting...

Still no symptoms.


ETA : Also it is not like I can fake it, they (my job) basically give you papers to get filed out by your dr that are required for you to return to work (positive or negative).

The problem is that it is so close to your exposure that you might show a false negative. My family had to quarantine for 14 days once I was positive. That was four months ago so maybe something has changed. But it was the Dept of Health that told us that.

[happyhoix]

At my work they won’t let you come to work if you have contact with a Covid positive person for 14 days. They won’t let you come to work (and deactivate your mag lock card) until you get approval from the site nurse to return.

Last week we had three new cases of people testing positive on one day. And one more Thursday- a record number. Most are getting it from family gatherings.

I don’t know if we’ll be able to keep going, between having Covid or being near someone with Covid we’re extremely short handed.

[movingforward]

Carl, does your brother smoke or vape? It seems a lot of young ones that are having a hard time smoke and/or vape.

[justme]

Nov 22, 2020 12:25:03 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 22, 2020 2:33:14 GMT -5 TheHaitian said:

Been isolating in my basement since yesterday; got tested this morning. If my test come back negative (in 2-4 days) I have to go back to work or my company does not cover it.

They only cover more - up to 14 days, if my test comes back positive. Waiting...

Still no symptoms.


ETA : Also it is not like I can fake it, they (my job) basically give you papers to get filed out by your dr that are required for you to return to work (positive or negative).

The problem is that it is so close to your exposure that you might show a false negative. My family had to quarantine for 14 days once I was positive. That was four months ago so maybe something has changed. But it was the Dept of Health that told us that.

The problem is actually companies not willing to pay for the full quarantine. They'll pay until a negative test and then you're back to work or no pay for jobs you can't work from home.

While some have the ability (either pto or savings) to take two weeks off work, a lot of those in the jobs where you can't work from home don't and the companies don't give a shit enough to change it - a negative result covers their ass enough.

[Deleted]

In my area, even if you are a "contact" you are only told to quarantine if you show symptoms or test positive.

Being a "contact" simply means they will agree to test you. Without being a contact or being sick, you can't get tested.

Since we have so many positive cases vs. population, we are again going to have a community testing event where they bring in the rapid tests. 

Public health said these events are "great" because anyone can get tested so they lower the positivity rate and allow the schools to stay open. /smh

[Deleted]

Nov 22, 2020 14:07:11 GMT -5 justme said:

Nov 22, 2020 12:25:03 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

The problem is that it is so close to your exposure that you might show a false negative. My family had to quarantine for 14 days once I was positive. That was four months ago so maybe something has changed. But it was the Dept of Health that told us that.

The problem is actually companies not willing to pay for the full quarantine. They'll pay until a negative test and then you're back to work or no pay for jobs you can't work from home.

While some have the ability (either pto or savings) to take two weeks off work, a lot of those in the jobs where you can't work from home don't and the companies don't give a shit enough to change it - a negative result covers their ass enough.

But according to this link, it isn't up to the employer to make the rules.  If Carl's doctor signs off that he needs to quarantine for 14 days because of exposure, which the doctor should, then the company can't refuse the claim unless they have fewer than 50 employees.  It is the LAW.

I understand not wanting to challenge your employer on their policies, which is what both Drama and Carl are referring to.  But a negative result doesn't "cover their ass enough" if the doctor says she or he has to quarantine the full 14 days.  You could file a complaint, but most people don't want to upset their employers.

Not properly quarantining is why this keeps getting worse and worse.

[laterbloomer]

Nov 22, 2020 14:07:11 GMT -5 justme said:

Nov 22, 2020 12:25:03 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

The problem is that it is so close to your exposure that you might show a false negative. My family had to quarantine for 14 days once I was positive. That was four months ago so maybe something has changed. But it was the Dept of Health that told us that.

The problem is actually companies not willing to pay for the full quarantine. They'll pay until a negative test and then you're back to work or no pay for jobs you can't work from home.

While some have the ability (either pto or savings) to take two weeks off work, a lot of those in the jobs where you can't work from home don't and the companies don't give a shit enough to change it - a negative result covers their ass enough.

That's a problem for low income people. Carl isn't low income.

[thyme4change]

Nov 21, 2020 18:20:09 GMT -5 Lizard Queen said:

OMG, that's how my mom was with my brother. That's gotta be maddening.

I can't imagine me being any different. I'm not the greatest care giver, but I can't imagine being isolated from my kids when they are sick. I would just accept that I would also get sick.

[NastyWoman]

Nov 22, 2020 12:52:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

At my work they won’t let you come to work if you have contact with a Covid positive person for 14 days. They won’t let you come to work (and deactivate your mag lock card) until you get approval from the site nurse to return.

Last week we had three new cases of people testing positive on one day. And one more Thursday- a record number. Most are getting it from family gatherings.

I don’t know if we’ll be able to keep going, between having Covid or being near someone with Covid we’re extremely short handed.

My company builds satellites and except for those who are considered "touch labor" all our badges were turned off at the stroke of midnight March 14. The badges that stayed active were limited to the area and the program those people were working on. It still is that way and if for some reason you need to actually go into the office you need to jump through quite a lot of hoops.

To date there have been less than a handful "covid contact" people and one confirmed case. Still it has a big impact on production. Even more so if you factor in the flow down effects of Covid from suppliers.

Those who get send home, and their contacts on the floor, do get full pay during quarantine. If not for YMAM I would not even know that is not standard.

[justme]

Nov 22, 2020 14:26:37 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Nov 22, 2020 14:07:11 GMT -5 justme said:

The problem is actually companies not willing to pay for the full quarantine. They'll pay until a negative test and then you're back to work or no pay for jobs you can't work from home.

While some have the ability (either pto or savings) to take two weeks off work, a lot of those in the jobs where you can't work from home don't and the companies don't give a shit enough to change it - a negative result covers their ass enough.

But according to this link, it isn't up to the employer to make the rules.  If Carl's doctor signs off that he needs to quarantine for 14 days because of exposure, which the doctor should, then the company can't refuse the claim unless they have fewer than 50 employees.  It is the LAW.

I understand not wanting to challenge your employer on their policies, which is what both Drama and Carl are referring to.  But a negative result doesn't "cover their ass enough" if the doctor says she or he has to quarantine the full 14 days.  You could file a complaint, but most people don't want to upset their employers.

Not properly quarantining is why this keeps getting worse and worse.

Those two companies aren't the only one acting this way. And Carl's company is large so I wouldn't expect them to be flouting the law.

I know in the beginning on a travel site I'm on people were pissed that travel insurance companies denied claims because a self quarantine didn't count. You needed a government entity to hand you a piece of paper saying X needs to quarantine to get insurance to pay. And that wasn't happening.

[Deleted]

Nov 22, 2020 16:26:09 GMT -5 justme said:

Nov 22, 2020 14:26:37 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

But according to this link, it isn't up to the employer to make the rules.  If Carl's doctor signs off that he needs to quarantine for 14 days because of exposure, which the doctor should, then the company can't refuse the claim unless they have fewer than 50 employees.  It is the LAW.

I understand not wanting to challenge your employer on their policies, which is what both Drama and Carl are referring to.  But a negative result doesn't "cover their ass enough" if the doctor says she or he has to quarantine the full 14 days.  You could file a complaint, but most people don't want to upset their employers.

Not properly quarantining is why this keeps getting worse and worse.

Those two companies aren't the only one acting this way. And Carl's company is large so I wouldn't expect them to be flouting the law.

I know in the beginning on a travel site I'm on people were pissed that travel insurance companies denied claims because a self quarantine didn't count. You needed a government entity to hand you a piece of paper saying X needs to quarantine to get insurance to pay. And that wasn't happening.

Yes, I expect you have to have some sort of proof for the law to take effect.  But it is a law, nothing less.  You could push the issue and win if the doctor said you had to quarantine.  But maybe doctors don't say that, only the CDC.  And few people want to challenge their company.

[happyhoix]

Nov 22, 2020 16:16:38 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Nov 22, 2020 12:52:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

At my work they won’t let you come to work if you have contact with a Covid positive person for 14 days. They won’t let you come to work (and deactivate your mag lock card) until you get approval from the site nurse to return.

Last week we had three new cases of people testing positive on one day. And one more Thursday- a record number. Most are getting it from family gatherings.

I don’t know if we’ll be able to keep going, between having Covid or being near someone with Covid we’re extremely short handed.

My company builds satellites and except for those who are considered "touch labor" all our badges were turned off at the stroke of midnight March 14. The badges that stayed active were limited to the area and the program those people were working on. It still is that way and if for some reason you need to actually go into the office you need to jump through quite a lot of hoops.

To date there have been less than a handful "covid contact" people and one confirmed case. Still it has a big impact on production. Even more so if you factor in the flow down effects of Covid from suppliers.

Those who get send home, and their contacts on the floor, do get full pay during quarantine. If not for YMAM I would not even know that is not standard.

Yes we pay full pay for people on quarantine too, but we use some temp labor and they don’t, they just can’t come in to work at our plant until after 14 days, and if the actually get Covid, they can’t come back until so many days after a negative test. I heard one crying the other days because she had to leave because she’d been in close contact with someone who had Covid and she needed the money. Makes me worry they might be driven to lie about their exposure, which puts the rest of us at risk. Would be nice if we had a social safety net for exposures people who should not work.

[justme]

Nov 22, 2020 17:19:34 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Nov 22, 2020 16:26:09 GMT -5 justme said:

Those two companies aren't the only one acting this way. And Carl's company is large so I wouldn't expect them to be flouting the law.

I know in the beginning on a travel site I'm on people were pissed that travel insurance companies denied claims because a self quarantine didn't count. You needed a government entity to hand you a piece of paper saying X needs to quarantine to get insurance to pay. And that wasn't happening.

Yes, I expect you have to have some sort of proof for the law to take effect.  But it is a law, nothing less.  You could push the issue and win if the doctor said you had to quarantine.  But maybe doctors don't say that, only the CDC.  And few people want to challenge their company.

But is law if you have to quarantine? Someone other than me would have to know the standards in each city/county/state. It's possible that there are some that say "or until negative test". Like I just looked at my counties covid site and they only mention self isolation in regards to mild covid cases that don't need to go to the hospital - meaning you have symptoms. 

Hell I just put Carl's situation (30s, was exposed to someone less than 6 feet for more than 15 mins, no symptoms) into the CDC's Coronavirus self checker and says to stay home but it also to practice social distancing and stay away from crowds - which you wouldn't need to do if you were staying home. Also says not to take a covid test unless you have symptoms. 

The site you said started with "generally" I wonder what the actual law states and what it specifically requires. Since, again, a lot of places are following the "come back to work if test is negative" process. 

[Deleted]

Nov 22, 2020 18:05:31 GMT -5 justme said:

Nov 22, 2020 17:19:34 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Yes, I expect you have to have some sort of proof for the law to take effect.  But it is a law, nothing less.  You could push the issue and win if the doctor said you had to quarantine.  But maybe doctors don't say that, only the CDC.  And few people want to challenge their company.

But is law if you have to quarantine? Someone other than me would have to know the standards in each city/county/state. It's possible that there are some that say "or until negative test". Like I just looked at my counties covid site and they only mention self isolation in regards to mild covid cases that don't need to go to the hospital - meaning you have symptoms. 

Hell I just put Carl's situation (30s, was exposed to someone less than 6 feet for more than 15 mins, no symptoms) into the CDC's Coronavirus self checker and says to stay home but it also to practice social distancing and stay away from crowds - which you wouldn't need to do if you were staying home. Also says not to take a covid test unless you have symptoms. 

The site you said started with "generally" I wonder what the actual law states and what it specifically requires. Since, again, a lot of places are following the "come back to work if test is negative" process. 

I don't know.  But this gray area is probably why the virus is spreading really fast now.  

Heck, I don't work, and I didn't want to quarantine by myself, pretty much total isolation, for 14 days.  I drove the dog around the neighborhood just to get us both out of the house!  I made my daughter my moral compass and went to Cracker Barrel for curbside pickup.  She was doing drive-throughs but touchless pay.  

I suspect some people just refuse to be quarantined because they want a life.  And some can't afford it if they aren't getting paid.  It is one thing if you have it, but entirely different if you have "only" been exposed.

But I do think this is part (only part) of why it is now spreading so rapidly.  People are just tired of it, and so are their employers.

[TheHaitian]

Brother is still on oxygen but was able to hold food down (breakfast and lunch). Talked to him and it seems he got lucky. One of the EMT’s had Covid and said not to take my brother to the hospital they were going to take him (you know the one that already discharged him twice already within a few hours) and to take him to another hospital that took better care of Covid patients.

Since he could not take my brother to that hospital, he made his co-workers wait and they called for another ambulance that took my brother to the hospital he is at now, the one where he was not discharged after a few hours and still at now and might be for another day or two based on what the doctor said. Also that medic/EMT having had Covid is the one that noticed my brother was having a hard time breathing and started him on oxygen.

Mom came and drop out the thing outside and left. My test came back neg and I am going to take another one on Tuesday. Also calling my Dr to see if i can also get an antibody test: my wife feels I probably already had it over the summer and just asymptomatic .

Why? I think I posted in another thread how earlier during the summer I was closed to someone that tested positive for Covid the next day but did not tell us till ~8 weeks later when They were in town again that they did test positive. We were in the same room for a few hours... and gave them a ride in my car to run a few errands. Looking back is the sign that they had it was we stopped at the dispensary to get them some weed before dropping them at their hotel, and they said they could not smell it when I could clearly smell it (did not think much of it then). But I never had any symptoms or was never sick...

But still not sure if 4-6 months later I would still have antibodies but cannot hurt to test. My cousin is back to feeling 100% as of this morning when I talked to her, and thinks maybe it was allergies vs Covid? But told her to be safe stay home a little bit longer and she agreed.

[TheHaitian]

For my job it is the following:

You are exposed -> they cover the time you are out till you get the test result.

Result comes back positive -> they pay you for 14 days to stay home

Result come back negative: you can either return to work but if you choose to stay quarantine for 14 days they will not pay you. So you either don’t get paid or use personal/vacation/PTO time.

Also they don’t process payment till they get the Dr form back, your Covid test is not official (we don’t count it) till we get a specific form back, you calling us and telling us you are pos does not count.

[weltschmerz]

The concoction is basically tea with some herbs

Herbal Medications and Prescription Drugs Don’t Always Mix

A new report highlights the dangers of mixing herbal products with prescription drugs. Researchers say people aren’t being truthful about them with doctors.

www.healthline.com/health-news/herbal-medications-prescription-drugs-dont-mix#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20report%2C%20herbals,worsened%20depression%20in%20some%20cases.


It doesn't matter if they're "just herbs". Some very powerful medications are made from plants. If the staff  find out, they WILL confiscate them.

[raeoflyte]

Nov 22, 2020 17:19:34 GMT -5 @bamafan1954 said:

Nov 22, 2020 16:26:09 GMT -5 justme said:

Those two companies aren't the only one acting this way. And Carl's company is large so I wouldn't expect them to be flouting the law.

I know in the beginning on a travel site I'm on people were pissed that travel insurance companies denied claims because a self quarantine didn't count. You needed a government entity to hand you a piece of paper saying X needs to quarantine to get insurance to pay. And that wasn't happening.

Yes, I expect you have to have some sort of proof for the law to take effect.  But it is a law, nothing less.  You could push the issue and win if the doctor said you had to quarantine.  But maybe doctors don't say that, only the CDC.  And few people want to challenge their company.

This is what my husband did but most of his coworkers cannot afford to do that and hr and the supervisors were pissed. Dh doesn't care and is confident in his ability to get another job that he pushes or ignores things he doesn't agree with.
Companies have better control to slow the spread but arent being pushed to do so. If every company put people on a 2 week quarantine with likely exposure like Carl's, we probably wouldn't be forced to sip for thanksgiving.

Dh got another call from his job wanting to go over "the incident", but he's refusing to call them back unless they bring it up in person or email him. He used his own pto to quarantine and its been a month. I don't love the way he's handling it, but I agree that there's nothing more to discuss.

[wvugurl26]

My mom works for a hospital in the operating room. It is a large system with hospitals throughout the state. She worked with two surgeons Monday who tested positive later in the week. Both surgeons did not wear masks outside of the operating room. So all the nurses and techs were exposed. They were not told to quarantine or anything. She did several surgeries Saturday morning and then went to be tested.

My guess is they can't afford to have employees out for potential exposures in terms of manpower. They are down three surgeons right now.

[TheOtherMe]

The hospital where my niece worked told her unless she had symptoms to come to work after she was exposed first by her mother and then by a patient.

[Deleted]

We have what they are calling a “liberal leave” policy at my job. My union negotiated with my employer some temporary agreements back in the spring. It has been extended twice, and now is in effect until the end of the year. Under the liberal leave policy, employees cannot be disciplined for absences due to covid. If you are exposed and have to quarantine for 2 weeks, the job pays you. But that’s only once, meaning if you test negative that time and are exposed again, you have to use your own leave.

They also agreed to pay 2/3 of your salary for 3 months if you have to care for a dependent child because schools and/or daycares are closed. I was pretty surprised at that.

I think it helped us that our union negotiated these temporary agreements back in the beginning, before everybody got sick of dealing with it.

Across the nation, last I heard a few months ago, we’ve had over 200 employees die from COVID, thousands more test positive, and even more quarantine. We’ve had at least a dozen cases that I can think of in my building, 4 more within the past couple of weeks. My immediate supervisor at the time got it, and was off work for 2 or 3 months. He was in the hospital on oxygen for a week or so. He’s fully recovered now.

Carl, I hope your brother recovers quickly with no long term issues. And I hope neither you or anyone else in your family gets it. This crap is pretty scary to me.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

We get two weeks paid IF you test positive.   I can use my PTO but it's frowned upon and heavily encouraged you come back as soon as you test negative because we are considered "essential".

We were told no need to quarantine if we test negative because we have a mask policy now.   Umm..that's not how masks work.


Very little is done to keep us safe.  I lost my "privilege" to be safer via swing shift due to one coworker not being able to properly prioritize.  Another department refused to not use the shared office for a couple months because walking sucks.

I know you can report businesses but it would not be hard at this company to narrow down who it may be.   Given the political climate if they figured it out my life would be he'll and they'd likely find a way to get rid of me. 


Now is not the time to be looking for another job.  So I suck it up buttercup..  All this is a contributing factor to me planning to start looking again in the next couple years.   

[Deleted]

Nov 22, 2020 20:30:42 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

My mom works for a hospital in the operating room. It is a large system with hospitals throughout the state. She worked with two surgeons Monday who tested positive later in the week. Both surgeons did not wear masks outside of the operating room. So all the nurses and techs were exposed. They were not told to quarantine or anything. She did several surgeries Saturday morning and then went to be tested.

My guess is they can't afford to have employees out for potential exposures in terms of manpower. They are down three surgeons right now.

Our hospital published a notice when they had 8 staff that tested positive. It said since they are essential workers and not replaceable, they would be working if physically able but wearing PPE and quarantining on their off hours.

I've noticed since then they have posted regular "We're Safe and Open" notices. I'd assume, like myself, people have been avoiding going there.

I'd assume at some point, the hospitals will have a lot of positive staff working. 

[stillmovingforward]

Our hospital just stopped all elective surgery.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Nov 23, 2020 15:55:06 GMT -5 stillmovingforward said:

Our hospital just stopped all elective surgery.

I suspect others are as well.