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Post by Value Buy on May 21, 2022 9:06:41 GMT -5
trump was right about one thing, he'll never be found guilty of anything. There will be one trumper on every jury. I don't equate trumps narcistic actions to anything Clinton or Biden did. Speaking of stacking the jury......... There are three people on current trial of the lawyer accused of lying to the FBI about not representing anyone when in fact he billed the Clinton campaign for hours while talking to the FBI, WHO admitting to Hillary's campaign as well as another whose daughter knows the accused. And as far as your statement... four years of this shit and nothing stuck. Maybe just like the dossier it is all fake.
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Post by billisonboard on May 21, 2022 9:12:19 GMT -5
Just because he runs his mouth big deal, or is it because he keeps people riled up against the dems? I don't remember the correct saying but goes something like this. Only you can give the power to someone over you. He gets into dems heads and takes up free parking. Actually quite comical It’s shocking that you think Trump is merely being a buffoon. He came up with a very clear plan in 2020, when he couldn’t coerce the SOS and governors of the swing states that went against him to throw out the legitimate vote and send a new set of electors to DC to vote for him. He’s been going after the current SOS and governors (even the GOP ones) with a literal vengeance - because he’s not an advocate of the GOP, he’s only ever thinking of Trump. Next he runs for office again in 2024, with his hand selected state minions in place. He rolls over the disorganized GOP candidates the same way he did in 2016, and this time if he loses the popular count and electoral count he’ll have his hand picked state minions who toss out not the WHOLE vote, but to cherry pick certain counties that are urban and heavy with Dem voters. Final leg of the plot - pick a VP he can be certain will march into Congress and, in a shocking and unpatriotic act, send the votes from states that didn’t go for him back to the states to ‘fix’ - certainly sparking a new civil war. We’re dangerously close to a populist dictatorship. The fact that anyone could think Trump is just a bumbling has been is terrifying. Fact check: the VP from the 2024 election will not yet be in office for the Electoral College count in early January of 2025. They are actually elected by that vote.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 21, 2022 9:15:48 GMT -5
Who cares about Clinton? She isn't going to run again. I'm concerned about trump and his continued effort to become dictator. I'm concerned about friends who believe everything trump says and only watch fox. They think the opinion segments are real news.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 21, 2022 16:10:48 GMT -5
So January 6 was no big deal? Trump didn’t encourage his followers to do something like this, and he did everything in his power to shut it down when it was clear it was a riot? Trump remains an issue, he is intimately involved in republican politics and keeps pushing the false narrative about stolen election. Unless you agree with him? I didn't say it wasn't a big deal. There is no way in hell that Trump will be held accountable for it other than in the minds of people who dislike him. He never said go storm the capitol, that is what will be needed and it is not there. Stolen election ehhhh I think there is plenty of election fraud going on, on both sides actually stolen nah it's over he should get on with it and so should everyone else. By that I mean everyone. Really? Care to back up that statement? After all tbe tax money spend since the 2016 election (when the grifting loser did not want to believe that he just won tbe electoral vote but not the popular one) and all the shenanigans after the 2020 election I have yet to see proof of this. And boy have they been looking...
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Post by happyhoix on May 21, 2022 19:33:15 GMT -5
trump was right about one thing, he'll never be found guilty of anything. There will be one trumper on every jury. I don't equate trumps narcistic actions to anything Clinton or Biden did. Speaking of stacking the jury......... There are three people on current trial of the lawyer accused of lying to the FBI about not representing anyone when in fact he billed the Clinton campaign for hours while talking to the FBI, WHO admitting to Hillary's campaign as well as another whose daughter knows the accused. And as far as your statement... four years of this shit and nothing stuck. Maybe just like the dossier it is all fake. Say that again in different words. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Or attach an article I can read. Are you saying there are 3 people on the jury for the man Durham accused of lying to the FBI who are some kind of plants or something?
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Post by Tennesseer on May 21, 2022 21:58:35 GMT -5
Speaking of stacking the jury......... There are three people on current trial of the lawyer accused of lying to the FBI about not representing anyone when in fact he billed the Clinton campaign for hours while talking to the FBI, WHO admitting to Hillary's campaign as well as another whose daughter knows the accused. And as far as your statement... four years of this shit and nothing stuck. Maybe just like the dossier it is all fake. Say that again in different words. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Or attach an article I can read. Are you saying there are 3 people on the jury for the man Durham accused of lying to the FBI who are some kind of plants or something? Valuebuy seems to have problem with providing links to his claims.
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Post by scgal on May 22, 2022 6:32:10 GMT -5
I didn't say it wasn't a big deal. There is no way in hell that Trump will be held accountable for it other than in the minds of people who dislike him. He never said go storm the capitol, that is what will be needed and it is not there. Stolen election ehhhh I think there is plenty of election fraud going on, on both sides actually stolen nah it's over he should get on with it and so should everyone else. By that I mean everyone. Really? Care to back up that statement? After all tbe tax money spend since the 2016 election (when the grifting loser did not want to believe that he just won tbe electoral vote but not the popular one) and all the shenanigans after the 2020 election I have yet to see proof of this. And boy have they been looking... That is why I said nah to stolen. Election fraud could be throwing out mail in votes, someone who votes twice. Like I said i'm sure this does happen no proof just what I believe. Does that mean the election was stolen no, not enough of it going on.
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Post by scgal on May 22, 2022 6:33:27 GMT -5
Just because he runs his mouth big deal, or is it because he keeps people riled up against the dems? I don't remember the correct saying but goes something like this. Only you can give the power to someone over you. He gets into dems heads and takes up free parking. Actually quite comical It’s shocking that you think Trump is merely being a buffoon. He came up with a very clear plan in 2020, when he couldn’t coerce the SOS and governors of the swing states that went against him to throw out the legitimate vote and send a new set of electors to DC to vote for him. He’s been going after the current SOS and governors (even the GOP ones) with a literal vengeance - because he’s not an advocate of the GOP, he’s only ever thinking of Trump. Next he runs for office again in 2024, with his hand selected state minions in place. He rolls over the disorganized GOP candidates the same way he did in 2016, and this time if he loses the popular count and electoral count he’ll have his hand picked state minions who toss out not the WHOLE vote, but to cherry pick certain counties that are urban and heavy with Dem voters. Final leg of the plot - pick a VP he can be certain will march into Congress and, in a shocking and unpatriotic act, send the votes from states that didn’t go for him back to the states to ‘fix’ - certainly sparking a new civil war. We’re dangerously close to a populist dictatorship. The fact that anyone could think Trump is just a bumbling has been is terrifying. Wow talk about conspiracy theory
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Post by tbop77 on May 22, 2022 6:50:59 GMT -5
Speaking of stacking the jury......... There are three people on current trial of the lawyer accused of lying to the FBI about not representing anyone when in fact he billed the Clinton campaign for hours while talking to the FBI, WHO admitting to Hillary's campaign as well as another whose daughter knows the accused. And as far as your statement... four years of this shit and nothing stuck. Maybe just like the dossier it is all fake. Say that again in different words. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Or attach an article I can read. Are you saying there are 3 people on the jury for the man Durham accused of lying to the FBI who are some kind of plants or something? Sounds like the rambling of Tucker Carlson to me.
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Post by scgal on May 22, 2022 6:51:13 GMT -5
it is VB and 30-40% of the US public. here is what worries me- is that either through systematic exclusion, fear/intimidation, or boredom on the part of their competitors, the 40% get more votes. <micdrop> The 30-40% got me thinking. (Just rambling here). Is the fact that 40% don't believe the same as most on this board is that what chaps their asses? Why is that? All this talk about Biden winning fair (I believe he is the elected president), does everyone here believe Trump won fair? Did Hillary lose. This could be a rabbit hole.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 22, 2022 7:28:45 GMT -5
it is VB and 30-40% of the US public. here is what worries me- is that either through systematic exclusion, fear/intimidation, or boredom on the part of their competitors, the 40% get more votes. <micdrop> The 30-40% got me thinking. (Just rambling here). Is the fact that 40% don't believe the same as most on this board is that what chaps their asses? Why is that? All this talk about Biden winning fair (I believe he is the elected president), does everyone here believe Trump won fair? Did Hillary lose. This could be a rabbit hole. How many lawsuits did the Clinton campaign file to overthrow the election Hilary concede the following day. Has trump concede yet? No, a large number of democrats do not believe that trump was illegitimately elected. They complain that he won despite losing the popular vote because of an arcane systrm( which is a reasonable point). Trump still refuses to accept he got 7 million votes less than Biden If you cannot see the difference in the 2 cases, you are not trying. We have a former president and party that is attempting to de-legitimize elections and the will of the people. We haven’t faced a crisis this dangerous in 150 years. We can disagree on many things, but if we disagree on the results of an election, there is little hope for us. Everwho believes it participates with this behavior is culpable. And you have failed to provide any proof beyond a very few cases that voter fraud is a problem that needs th be addressed by a wholesale change in election laws that the republicans favor
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Post by scgal on May 22, 2022 7:35:34 GMT -5
The 30-40% got me thinking. (Just rambling here). Is the fact that 40% don't believe the same as most on this board is that what chaps their asses? Why is that? All this talk about Biden winning fair (I believe he is the elected president), does everyone here believe Trump won fair? Did Hillary lose. This could be a rabbit hole. How many lawsuits did the Clinton campaign file to overthrow the election Hilary concede the following day. Has trump concede yet? No, a large number of democrats do not believe that trump was illegitimately elected. They complain that he won despite losing the popular vote because of an arcane systrm( which is a reasonable point). Trump still refuses to accept he got 7 million votes less than Biden If you cannot see the difference in the 2 cases, you are not trying. We have a former president and party that is attempting to de-legitimize elections and the will of the people. We haven’t faced a crisis this dangerous in 150 years. We can disagree on many things, but if we disagree on the results of an election, there is little hope for us. Everwho believes it participates with this behavior is culpable. And you have failed to provide any proof beyond a very few cases that voter fraud is a problem that needs th be addressed by a wholesale change in election laws that the republicans favor I really don't give a shit now about Clinton conceding or Trump. Trump has a right to believe he lost unfairly if he wants to. People can and do have a right to believe that with him. Elections can, will and should be questioned when needed and there are systems in place to facilitate that. That is how we do keep an honest and fair system. If we don't that is when I think there is little hope for us.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 22, 2022 7:43:32 GMT -5
How many lawsuits did the Clinton campaign file to overthrow the election Hilary concede the following day. Has trump concede yet? No, a large number of democrats do not believe that trump was illegitimately elected. They complain that he won despite losing the popular vote because of an arcane systrm( which is a reasonable point). Trump still refuses to accept he got 7 million votes less than Biden If you cannot see the difference in the 2 cases, you are not trying. We have a former president and party that is attempting to de-legitimize elections and the will of the people. We haven’t faced a crisis this dangerous in 150 years. We can disagree on many things, but if we disagree on the results of an election, there is little hope for us. Everwho believes it participates with this behavior is culpable. And you have failed to provide any proof beyond a very few cases that voter fraud is a problem that needs th be addressed by a wholesale change in election laws that the republicans favor I really don't give a shit now about Clinton conceding or Trump. Trump has a right to believe he lost unfairly if he wants to. People can and do have a right to believe that with him. Elections can, will and should be questioned when needed and there are systems in place to facilitate that. That is how we do keep an honest and fair system. If we don't that is when I think there is little hope for us. Continuing on when it has been lighted and shown that the claims are untrue is dangerous. An entire party signing on to the outright lying is even more dangerous. Working within the system of laws we have is the only way forward. Trump wanted Pence to do something that his was constitutionally forbidden to do. Trump pledged to uphold the laws of the US, and he wanted to break them because his ego could not take it. And a large number of Republican Congressmen, despite knowing what trump wanted was illegal and untrue, we’re willing to go along with it. If you are unwilling to follow the rules that both sides agreed to, we will lose our country. And if you do not believe that you are part of the problem
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Post by Opti on May 22, 2022 7:43:51 GMT -5
How many lawsuits did the Clinton campaign file to overthrow the election Hilary concede the following day. Has trump concede yet? No, a large number of democrats do not believe that trump was illegitimately elected. They complain that he won despite losing the popular vote because of an arcane systrm( which is a reasonable point). Trump still refuses to accept he got 7 million votes less than Biden If you cannot see the difference in the 2 cases, you are not trying. We have a former president and party that is attempting to de-legitimize elections and the will of the people. We haven’t faced a crisis this dangerous in 150 years. We can disagree on many things, but if we disagree on the results of an election, there is little hope for us. Everwho believes it participates with this behavior is culpable. And you have failed to provide any proof beyond a very few cases that voter fraud is a problem that needs th be addressed by a wholesale change in election laws that the republicans favor I really don't give a shit now about Clinton conceding or Trump. Trump has a right to believe he lost unfairly if he wants to. People can and do have a right to believe that with him. Elections can, will and should be questioned when needed and there are systems in place to facilitate that. That is how we do keep an honest and fair system. If we don't that is when I think there is little hope for us. Elections can be contested and they need to be contested in a timely manner. There were lawsuits and recounts. None of the lawsuits had any merit and did not show examples of fraud. He can believe what he wants, but lying about his loss is dishonest.
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Post by billisonboard on May 22, 2022 7:49:30 GMT -5
it is VB and 30-40% of the US public. here is what worries me- is that either through systematic exclusion, fear/intimidation, or boredom on the part of their competitors, the 40% get more votes. <micdrop> The 30-40% got me thinking. (Just rambling here). Is the fact that 40% don't believe the same as most on this board is that what chaps their asses? Why is that? All this talk about Biden winning fair (I believe he is the elected president), does everyone here believe Trump won fair? Did Hillary lose. This could be a rabbit hole. There are things to "believe" and things to "know". I don't believe the Earth is round, I know it. There has been ample opportunities for fraud to be proven concerning the 2020 election. Every traceable claim of widespread fraud has been effectively countered. It chaps my ass that too many of my fellow citizens choose to believe lies instead of know truth.
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Post by billisonboard on May 22, 2022 7:53:27 GMT -5
How many lawsuits did the Clinton campaign file to overthrow the election Hilary concede the following day. Has trump concede yet? No, a large number of democrats do not believe that trump was illegitimately elected. They complain that he won despite losing the popular vote because of an arcane systrm( which is a reasonable point). Trump still refuses to accept he got 7 million votes less than Biden If you cannot see the difference in the 2 cases, you are not trying. We have a former president and party that is attempting to de-legitimize elections and the will of the people. We haven’t faced a crisis this dangerous in 150 years. We can disagree on many things, but if we disagree on the results of an election, there is little hope for us. Everwho believes it participates with this behavior is culpable. And you have failed to provide any proof beyond a very few cases that voter fraud is a problem that needs th be addressed by a wholesale change in election laws that the republicans favor I really don't give a shit now about Clinton conceding or Trump. Trump has a right to believe he lost unfairly if he wants to. People can and do have a right to believe that with him. Elections can, will and should be questioned when needed and there are systems in place to facilitate that. That is how we do keep an honest and fair system. If we don't that is when I think there is little hope for us. Trump has a responsibility to not undermine our elections.
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Post by billisonboard on May 22, 2022 8:14:10 GMT -5
So January 6 was no big deal? Trump didn’t encourage his followers to do something like this, and he did everything in his power to shut it down when it was clear it was a riot? Trump remains an issue, he is intimately involved in republican politics and keeps pushing the false narrative about stolen election. Unless you agree with him? I didn't say it wasn't a big deal. There is no way in hell that Trump will be held accountable for it other than in the minds of people who dislike him. He never said go storm the capitol, that is what will be needed and it is not there. Stolen election ehhhh I think there is plenty of election fraud going on, on both sides actually stolen nah it's over he should get on with it and so should everyone else. By that I mean everyone. I hold a President to a higher standard than the average person. Trump tweeted come to Washington, "It will be wild. link". He told the rally, "We fight like hell. ... link". He pointed to the Capitol link. As President, he should have known what would follow and thus I hold him responsible.
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Post by scgal on May 22, 2022 8:16:31 GMT -5
I really don't give a shit now about Clinton conceding or Trump. Trump has a right to believe he lost unfairly if he wants to. People can and do have a right to believe that with him. Elections can, will and should be questioned when needed and there are systems in place to facilitate that. That is how we do keep an honest and fair system. If we don't that is when I think there is little hope for us. Elections can be contested and they need to be contested in a timely manner. There were lawsuits and recounts. None of the lawsuits had any merit and did not show examples of fraud. He can believe what he wants, but lying about his loss is dishonest. So is he lying because that is what he believes? I'm not talking proof just belief. I know it doesn't have any merit but I don't care that he think it does.
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Post by scgal on May 22, 2022 8:21:52 GMT -5
I didn't say it wasn't a big deal. There is no way in hell that Trump will be held accountable for it other than in the minds of people who dislike him. He never said go storm the capitol, that is what will be needed and it is not there. Stolen election ehhhh I think there is plenty of election fraud going on, on both sides actually stolen nah it's over he should get on with it and so should everyone else. By that I mean everyone. I hold a President to a higher standard than the average person. Trump tweeted come to Washington, "It will be wild. link". He told the rally, "We fight like hell. ... link". He pointed to the Capitol link. As President, he should have known what would follow and thus I hold him responsible. I see it different he didn't say go and storm the capitol, he didn't say to physically assault anyone. The closest thing he said was fight like hell and that is very slim. Time to get over it with him. Keep going after the ones who actually did it.
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Post by Opti on May 22, 2022 8:30:06 GMT -5
Elections can be contested and they need to be contested in a timely manner. There were lawsuits and recounts. None of the lawsuits had any merit and did not show examples of fraud. He can believe what he wants, but lying about his loss is dishonest. So is he lying because that is what he believes? I'm not talking proof just belief. I know it doesn't have any merit but I don't care that he think it does. He doesn't believe it though. It is just part of his talking points campaign in public. Numerous authors have reported in private he knows he lost. Why would he ask various officials to find him votes if he truly believed he lost unfairly? How could anyone still believe they lost unfairly when they spent all this money and manpower and no one finds anything but oddball cases here and there and most were those who voted for Trump using relatives ballots in addition to their own?
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Post by billisonboard on May 22, 2022 8:37:08 GMT -5
I hold a President to a higher standard than the average person. Trump tweeted come to Washington, "It will be wild. link". He told the rally, "We fight like hell. ... link". He pointed to the Capitol link. As President, he should have known what would follow and thus I hold him responsible. I see it different he didn't say go and storm the capitol, he didn't say to physically assault anyone. The closest thing he said was fight like hell and that is very slim. Time to get over it with him. Keep going after the ones who actually did it. Of course he didn't say specifically. He isn't an idiot. Like I said, I hold those who offer and we accept to be leaders of our nation to a higher standard. He should have known what he was potentially setting in motion and not done it.
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Post by billisonboard on May 22, 2022 11:00:16 GMT -5
Elections can be contested and they need to be contested in a timely manner. There were lawsuits and recounts. None of the lawsuits had any merit and did not show examples of fraud. He can believe what he wants, but lying about his loss is dishonest. So is he lying because that is what he believes? I'm not talking proof just belief. I know it doesn't have any merit but I don't care that he think it does. What does leadership look like: Al Gore 2000 Presidential Concession Speech Now the U.S. Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while I strongly disagree with the court's decision, I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession. I also accept my responsibility, which I will discharge unconditionally, to honor the new President-elect and do everything possible to help him bring Americans together in fulfillment of the great vision that our Declaration of Independence defines and that our Constitution affirms and defends.
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Post by scgal on May 22, 2022 11:32:58 GMT -5
So is he lying because that is what he believes? I'm not talking proof just belief. I know it doesn't have any merit but I don't care that he think it does. What does leadership look like: Al Gore 2000 Presidential Concession Speech Now the U.S. Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while I strongly disagree with the court's decision, I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession. I also accept my responsibility, which I will discharge unconditionally, to honor the new President-elect and do everything possible to help him bring Americans together in fulfillment of the great vision that our Declaration of Independence defines and that our Constitution affirms and defends. ok and??
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 22, 2022 11:39:18 GMT -5
The fact that you can’t get the point bills is making is exactly the problem
Their is an immutable truth. Trump lost a fair and free election. End of story. His inability to accept it is an issue because he continues to push a false narrative, which the Republican Party has swallowed hook, line, and sinker. He will be responsible for the fracturing of our nation if it isn’t stopped
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Post by billisonboard on May 22, 2022 11:50:15 GMT -5
What does leadership look like: Al Gore 2000 Presidential Concession Speech Now the U.S. Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while I strongly disagree with the court's decision, I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession. I also accept my responsibility, which I will discharge unconditionally, to honor the new President-elect and do everything possible to help him bring Americans together in fulfillment of the great vision that our Declaration of Independence defines and that our Constitution affirms and defends. ok and?? What leadership does not look like: Read Trump's Jan. 6 SpeechYou know, look, I'm not happy with the Supreme Court. They love to rule against me. I picked three people. I fought like hell for them. One in particular, I fought. They all said, "Sir, cut him loose." He's killing the senators. You know, very loyal senators, they're very loyal people, "Sir, cut him loose, he's killing us, sir, cut him loose." I must have gotten half of the senators. I think it is important to continue to remind people why Donald Trump should never be put into a leadership role again.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2022 12:00:08 GMT -5
it is VB and 30-40% of the US public. here is what worries me- is that either through systematic exclusion, fear/intimidation, or boredom on the part of their competitors, the 40% get more votes. <micdrop> The 30-40% got me thinking. (Just rambling here). Is the fact that 40% don't believe the same as most on this board is that what chaps their asses? Why is that? All this talk about Biden winning fair (I believe he is the elected president), does everyone here believe Trump won fair? Did Hillary lose. This could be a rabbit hole. i believe that Trump won fair, in terms of the actual vote count. in terms of what happened in the last week of the campaign, i think there are some definite concerns, but i am not sure what, if anything, can be done about them in a "free" society. i would note that i don't think anyone doubted that Trump won the electoral vote. it was HOW he won that bugs folks. if Trump voters felt the same about Biden, i would be well pleased.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2022 12:02:49 GMT -5
It’s shocking that you think Trump is merely being a buffoon. He came up with a very clear plan in 2020, when he couldn’t coerce the SOS and governors of the swing states that went against him to throw out the legitimate vote and send a new set of electors to DC to vote for him. He’s been going after the current SOS and governors (even the GOP ones) with a literal vengeance - because he’s not an advocate of the GOP, he’s only ever thinking of Trump. Next he runs for office again in 2024, with his hand selected state minions in place. He rolls over the disorganized GOP candidates the same way he did in 2016, and this time if he loses the popular count and electoral count he’ll have his hand picked state minions who toss out not the WHOLE vote, but to cherry pick certain counties that are urban and heavy with Dem voters. Final leg of the plot - pick a VP he can be certain will march into Congress and, in a shocking and unpatriotic act, send the votes from states that didn’t go for him back to the states to ‘fix’ - certainly sparking a new civil war. We’re dangerously close to a populist dictatorship. The fact that anyone could think Trump is just a bumbling has been is terrifying. Wow talk about conspiracy theory which part?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2022 12:04:28 GMT -5
Elections can be contested and they need to be contested in a timely manner. There were lawsuits and recounts. None of the lawsuits had any merit and did not show examples of fraud. He can believe what he wants, but lying about his loss is dishonest. So is he lying because that is what he believes? I'm not talking proof just belief. I know it doesn't have any merit but I don't care that he think it does. if what he believes has no basis in fact, what do you call that?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2022 12:05:20 GMT -5
I hold a President to a higher standard than the average person. Trump tweeted come to Washington, "It will be wild. link". He told the rally, "We fight like hell. ... link". He pointed to the Capitol link. As President, he should have known what would follow and thus I hold him responsible. I see it different he didn't say go and storm the capitol, he didn't say to physically assault anyone. The closest thing he said was fight like hell and that is very slim. Time to get over it with him. Keep going after the ones who actually did it.i will be over it when he disappears from public life.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2022 12:06:48 GMT -5
How many lawsuits did the Clinton campaign file to overthrow the election Hilary concede the following day. Has trump concede yet? No, a large number of democrats do not believe that trump was illegitimately elected. They complain that he won despite losing the popular vote because of an arcane systrm( which is a reasonable point). Trump still refuses to accept he got 7 million votes less than Biden If you cannot see the difference in the 2 cases, you are not trying. We have a former president and party that is attempting to de-legitimize elections and the will of the people. We haven’t faced a crisis this dangerous in 150 years. We can disagree on many things, but if we disagree on the results of an election, there is little hope for us. Everwho believes it participates with this behavior is culpable. And you have failed to provide any proof beyond a very few cases that voter fraud is a problem that needs th be addressed by a wholesale change in election laws that the republicans favor I really don't give a shit now about Clinton conceding or Trump. Trump has a right to believe he lost unfairly if he wants to. People can and do have a right to believe that with him. Elections can, will and should be questioned when needed and there are systems in place to facilitate that. That is how we do keep an honest and fair system. If we don't that is when I think there is little hope for us. i think it is very dangerous for the loser of a national election and those that follow him or her to question the outcome without basis. that can and has led to terrible things. it is quite different, than, say, believing Jesus rode dinosaurs.
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