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Post by billisonboard on May 22, 2022 18:59:39 GMT -5
Actually the VP thing is totally impossible for the 2024 election. The claim was that the VP would help overthrow an election. My contention was that finding one willing to try was easy. Whether it would succeed is what is actually in question. Are you saying that there could not be one willing to try, or that there would be zero chance of success? Those are very different matters. I am saying that there will not be a Trump selected Vice President presiding over the Electoral College report to Congress in early January of 2025.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2022 20:35:17 GMT -5
yeah. that only applies to repeat offenders.
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Post by tallguy on May 22, 2022 20:36:51 GMT -5
The claim was that the VP would help overthrow an election. My contention was that finding one willing to try was easy. Whether it would succeed is what is actually in question. Are you saying that there could not be one willing to try, or that there would be zero chance of success? Those are very different matters. I am saying that there will not be a Trump selected Vice President presiding over the Electoral College report to Congress in early January of 2025. Agreed, but as I responded to another poster, I was speaking more generally and not specifically to putting Trump himself into office in 2024. If he actually gets into office then all bets are off.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2022 20:53:20 GMT -5
i agree with that. he has OFTEN said that he spent so much time fighting impeachment in his first term that he is owed another TWO terms. that is in defiance of the constitution, of course.
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Post by scgal on May 23, 2022 7:20:13 GMT -5
I never said widespread fraud. I said penty, actually in one post I said there was voter fraud on both sides nothing that would change the outcome of the election. So no i'm not going to dig thru news clips to prove a few hundred mishandling or double voting. Guess what I don't have to shut up please feel free to block me. So, was there enough fraud to care about or not. You are backpedaling about your claim. I think plenty of fraud means it is substantial fraud. Was it significant. Do you believe it was significant even when you have been provided data to the contrary. So you just ignore truth to continue to believe falsehood? Continue to post nonsense and I will continue to call it out No plenty does not mean substantial...I said I believe there was plenty of fraud on both sides, but the election was not stolen and people should just let it go from both sides. No backpedaling You can keep calling me out, out of context or selective reading on your part and I will gladly remind you of what was said.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 23, 2022 7:49:25 GMT -5
So, was there enough fraud to care about or not. You are backpedaling about your claim. I think plenty of fraud means it is substantial fraud. Was it significant. Do you believe it was significant even when you have been provided data to the contrary. So you just ignore truth to continue to believe falsehood? Continue to post nonsense and I will continue to call it out No plenty does not mean substantial...I said I believe there was plenty of fraud on both sides, but the election was not stolen and people should just let it go from both sides. No backpedaling You can keep calling me out, out of context or selective reading on your part and I will gladly remind you of what was said. What’s your definition of “plenty” then? How many votes or what percentage were fraudulent? From what has been proven it is far from plenty in my opinion
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Post by billisonboard on May 23, 2022 9:01:30 GMT -5
I am saying that there will not be a Trump selected Vice President presiding over the Electoral College report to Congress in early January of 2025. Agreed, but as I responded to another poster, I was speaking more generally and not specifically to putting Trump himself into office in 2024. If he actually gets into office then all bets are off. I am just struggling to see what role a Vice President would play in overturning elections generally and not just specifically the Electoral College count.
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Post by tallguy on May 23, 2022 9:31:23 GMT -5
Agreed, but as I responded to another poster, I was speaking more generally and not specifically to putting Trump himself into office in 2024. If he actually gets into office then all bets are off. I am just struggling to see what role a Vice President would play in overturning elections generally and not just specifically the Electoral College count. Wouldn't the combination of a corrupt VP (assuming the GOP wins the presidency at some point) and the red and purple states' legislatures managing to wrest control over elections put every subsequent presidential election at risk? I doubt there is any Republican at this point who can win a popular vote, both due to demographics in the country and the extremist position of the party, but if the state legislatures can overturn election results, then as I said, "All bets are off." It is long past time for the Electoral College to be abolished. It violates the "one person, one vote" ideal and invites corruption, in addition to focusing undue attention on the few swing states to the exclusion of almost everyone else.
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Post by scgal on May 23, 2022 9:34:16 GMT -5
No plenty does not mean substantial...I said I believe there was plenty of fraud on both sides, but the election was not stolen and people should just let it go from both sides. No backpedaling You can keep calling me out, out of context or selective reading on your part and I will gladly remind you of what was said. What’s your definition of “plenty” then? How many votes or what percentage were fraudulent? From what has been proven it is far from plenty in my opinion Plenty is plenty. My personal opinion 1 is too many. Again nothing that will ever change an election. That is why I think Trump should move on off that crap. My original post was how people keep whining about Trump and he is over with. He just lives in the lefts heads. He says something and yall lose your minds. The real reason the left hates him now is he can still rile up a base. Hopefully we can get a repub back in office.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 23, 2022 9:55:51 GMT -5
What’s your definition of “plenty” then? How many votes or what percentage were fraudulent? From what has been proven it is far from plenty in my opinion Plenty is plenty. My personal opinion 1 is too many. Again nothing that will ever change an election. That is why I think Trump should move on off that crap. My original post was how people keep whining about Trump and he is over with. He just lives in the lefts heads. He says something and yall lose your minds. The real reason the left hates him now is he can still rile up a base. Hopefully we can get a repub back in office. Won't answer the question. If it is only 1 out of 150 million, it is not worth worrying about as that is far outside the margin of error. As far as Trump. he refuses to say if he is running or not. Unlike other former presidents, he stays in the limelight and is heavily involved in republican politics. I would love to move on from him, but he is not letting that happen. As long as he is considering running, he is a threat to democracy. And it is rich telling us to get over trump. Republicans keep bring up Bill Clinton, and it has been over 20 years. They bring up Obama, They bring up Hilary. Yeah, it is all the democrats fault.
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Post by scgal on May 23, 2022 10:00:57 GMT -5
Plenty is plenty. My personal opinion 1 is too many. Again nothing that will ever change an election. That is why I think Trump should move on off that crap. My original post was how people keep whining about Trump and he is over with. He just lives in the lefts heads. He says something and yall lose your minds. The real reason the left hates him now is he can still rile up a base. Hopefully we can get a repub back in office. Won't answer the question. If it is only 1 out of 150 million, it is not worth worrying about as that is far outside the margin of error. As far as Trump. he refuses to say if he is running or not. Unlike other former presidents, he stays in the limelight and is heavily involved in republican politics. I would love to move on from him, but he is not letting that happen. As long as he is considering running, he is a threat to democracy. And it is rich telling us to get over trump. Republicans keep bring up Bill Clinton, and it has been over 20 years. They bring up Obama, They bring up Hilary. Yeah, it is all the democrats fault. Why do you think I said the election was not stolen? As far as Obama, Hillary, Clinton the dems are the first ones to say they are old news so follow your own party and move on.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 23, 2022 11:05:43 GMT -5
What’s your definition of “plenty” then? How many votes or what percentage were fraudulent? From what has been proven it is far from plenty in my opinion Plenty is plenty. My personal opinion 1 is too many. Again nothing that will ever change an election. That is why I think Trump should move on off that crap.
My original post was how people keep whining about Trump and he is over with. He just lives in the lefts heads. He says something and yall lose your minds. The real reason the left hates him now is he can still rile up a base. Hopefully we can get a repub back in office. Why in God's name would Trump move on when the money keeps rolling into his pockets from his supporters who believe him when he claims the election was stolen from him and his supporters? Trump hoards his war chest and Dem donors unleash millions: 5 takeaways from the latest campaign money disclosures Trump riles up his supporters when he lies to them and they believe him. Does the January 6th, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capital building ring a bell with you?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 23, 2022 11:13:48 GMT -5
Won't answer the question. If it is only 1 out of 150 million, it is not worth worrying about as that is far outside the margin of error. As far as Trump. he refuses to say if he is running or not. Unlike other former presidents, he stays in the limelight and is heavily involved in republican politics. I would love to move on from him, but he is not letting that happen. As long as he is considering running, he is a threat to democracy. And it is rich telling us to get over trump. Republicans keep bring up Bill Clinton, and it has been over 20 years. They bring up Obama, They bring up Hilary. Yeah, it is all the democrats fault. Why do you think I said the election was not stolen? As far as Obama, Hillary, Clinton the dems are the first ones to say they are old news so follow your own party and move on. Despite your beliefs, I am not a democrat. Republicans brought up Bill Clinton every chance they got. When Trump fades into the background, I will leave him there. Until then, he is fair game, as he remains a prominent spokesman for the party.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 23, 2022 11:27:54 GMT -5
Plenty is plenty. My personal opinion 1 is too many. Again nothing that will ever change an election. That is why I think Trump should move on off that crap.
My original post was how people keep whining about Trump and he is over with. He just lives in the lefts heads. He says something and yall lose your minds. The real reason the left hates him now is he can still rile up a base. Hopefully we can get a repub back in office. Why in God's name would Trump move on when the money keeps rolling into his pockets from his supporters who believe him when he claims the election was stolen from him and his supporters? Trump riles up his supporters when he lies to them and they believe him. Does the January 6th, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capital building ring a bell with you? he keeps saying he is still president. it is a very dangerous situation. edit: i have been thinking about this since i typed it. he is Fredrick Douglas right now. does everyone realize that? i think it is important for people to understand that this is not, in any way, normal. nor is it something to be ignored. 40% of the US public think of him as "commander in chief". do you realize how dangerous that is?
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Post by Tennesseer on May 23, 2022 11:33:55 GMT -5
Why in God's name would Trump move on when the money keeps rolling into his pockets from his supporters who believe him when he claims the election was stolen from him and his supporters? Trump riles up his supporters when he lies to them and they believe him. Does the January 6th, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capital building ring a bell with you? he keeps saying he is still president. it is a very dangerous situation. Nothing would please donald trump more than to fuck-up the 2022 and 2024 elections.
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Post by tallguy on May 23, 2022 11:42:25 GMT -5
How is this for an offer:
I will stop saying that Donald Trump is a lying, corrupt, vile, boorish, mean-spirited, megalomaniacal, disgusting, traitorous, un-American piece of sh** con-man the day he gets executed for treason. At that point I will switch to saying Donald Trump WAS a lying, corrupt, vile, boorish, mean-spirited, megalomaniacal, disgusting, traitorous, un-American piece of sh** con-man.
Does that work for everybody?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 23, 2022 12:00:44 GMT -5
certainly works for me. until then, i love the occasional use of boorish.
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Post by tallguy on May 23, 2022 12:34:06 GMT -5
certainly works for me. until then, i love the occasional use of boorish. I do try to write for my audience.
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Post by swamp on May 23, 2022 13:01:30 GMT -5
I want you to back up the claim that there is " plenty of election fraud". You made the claim so prove it or at least back it up with actual verifiable facts. Did I make the claim, I might have? I think I said I believe there is plenty of election fraud. I never claim there was. Do you claim there wasn't? Whut? You believe something is true but you don’t claim it’s true? That’s dumb.
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Post by billisonboard on May 23, 2022 18:26:54 GMT -5
I am just struggling to see what role a Vice President would play in overturning elections generally and not just specifically the Electoral College count. Wouldn't the combination of a corrupt VP (assuming the GOP wins the presidency at some point) and the red and purple states' legislatures managing to wrest control over elections put every subsequent presidential election at risk? I doubt there is any Republican at this point who can win a popular vote, both due to demographics in the country and the extremist position of the party, but if the state legislatures can overturn election results, then as I said, "All bets are off." It is long past time for the Electoral College to be abolished. It violates the "one person, one vote" ideal and invites corruption, in addition to focusing undue attention on the few swing states to the exclusion of almost everyone else. Yes, you got me there. If a corrupt GOP VP is elected and then 4 years later a Democratic candidate gains what would be a majority of the Electoral College vote including a win or wins in states which have Republican control of the legislative branch and the necessary state(s) overturn their election results and send in votes for a different candidate taking away the majority of the vote and Congress accepts those votes with the assistance of the corrupt VP and that other candidate takes office and there is no consequence, that would put every subsequent presidential election at risk.
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Post by tallguy on May 23, 2022 18:40:00 GMT -5
Wouldn't the combination of a corrupt VP (assuming the GOP wins the presidency at some point) and the red and purple states' legislatures managing to wrest control over elections put every subsequent presidential election at risk? I doubt there is any Republican at this point who can win a popular vote, both due to demographics in the country and the extremist position of the party, but if the state legislatures can overturn election results, then as I said, "All bets are off." It is long past time for the Electoral College to be abolished. It violates the "one person, one vote" ideal and invites corruption, in addition to focusing undue attention on the few swing states to the exclusion of almost everyone else. Yes, you got me there. If a corrupt GOP VP is elected and then 4 years later a Democratic candidate gains what would be a majority of the Electoral College vote including a win or wins in states which have Republican control of the legislative branch and the necessary state(s) overturn their election results and send in votes for a different candidate taking away the majority of the vote and Congress accepts those votes with the assistance of the corrupt VP and that other candidate takes office and there is no consequence, that would put every subsequent presidential election at risk. To be fair, I never said it was likely. But as January 6 showed, it doesn't have to actually succeed to be a big problem for the country.
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Post by happyhoix on May 23, 2022 19:41:04 GMT -5
It’s shocking that you think Trump is merely being a buffoon. He came up with a very clear plan in 2020, when he couldn’t coerce the SOS and governors of the swing states that went against him to throw out the legitimate vote and send a new set of electors to DC to vote for him. He’s been going after the current SOS and governors (even the GOP ones) with a literal vengeance - because he’s not an advocate of the GOP, he’s only ever thinking of Trump. Next he runs for office again in 2024, with his hand selected state minions in place. He rolls over the disorganized GOP candidates the same way he did in 2016, and this time if he loses the popular count and electoral count he’ll have his hand picked state minions who toss out not the WHOLE vote, but to cherry pick certain counties that are urban and heavy with Dem voters. Final leg of the plot - pick a VP he can be certain will march into Congress and, in a shocking and unpatriotic act, send the votes from states that didn’t go for him back to the states to ‘fix’ - certainly sparking a new civil war. We’re dangerously close to a populist dictatorship. The fact that anyone could think Trump is just a bumbling has been is terrifying. Wow talk about conspiracy theory www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/experts-warn-of-emergency-as-trump-backed-election-deniers-could-win-primaries/ar-AAXDala?ocid=EMMX&cvid=770b97ac026d4961baaeebde5cc7a4ee
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Post by scgal on May 23, 2022 19:56:51 GMT -5
How is this for an offer: I will stop saying that Donald Trump is a lying, corrupt, vile, boorish, mean-spirited, megalomaniacal, disgusting, traitorous, un-American piece of sh** con-man the day he gets executed for treason. At that point I will switch to saying Donald Trump WAS a lying, corrupt, vile, boorish, mean-spirited, megalomaniacal, disgusting, traitorous, un-American piece of sh** con-man. Does that work for everybody? If it works for you to keep taking up space in your head or anyone else's go for it. I find it unproductive. It give Trump exactly what he wants he gets in your head and you guys keep him there. Good luck.
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Post by scgal on May 23, 2022 19:58:55 GMT -5
Ok so the conspiracy is gaining ground. So sad
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Post by djAdvocate on May 23, 2022 20:21:56 GMT -5
Yes, you got me there. If a corrupt GOP VP is elected and then 4 years later a Democratic candidate gains what would be a majority of the Electoral College vote including a win or wins in states which have Republican control of the legislative branch and the necessary state(s) overturn their election results and send in votes for a different candidate taking away the majority of the vote and Congress accepts those votes with the assistance of the corrupt VP and that other candidate takes office and there is no consequence, that would put every subsequent presidential election at risk. To be fair, I never said it was likely. But as January 6 showed, it doesn't have to actually succeed to be a big problem for the country. i will carve that on his headstone, changing the it to you.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 23, 2022 20:22:53 GMT -5
Ok so the conspiracy is gaining ground. So sad what part? the election deniers are quite real. edit: after reading about the guy who is running for governor in PA, i pretty much gave up hope that things will turn around for America. i think you are pretty much doomed. unless you like that kind of thing. in which case, yay for you, i guess.
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Post by Value Buy on May 23, 2022 21:37:58 GMT -5
Speaking of stacking the jury......... There are three people on current trial of the lawyer accused of lying to the FBI about not representing anyone when in fact he billed the Clinton campaign for hours while talking to the FBI, WHO admitting to Hillary's campaign as well as another whose daughter knows the accused. And as far as your statement... four years of this shit and nothing stuck. Maybe just like the dossier it is all fake. Say that again in different words. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Or attach an article I can read. Are you saying there are 3 people on the jury for the man Durham accused of lying to the FBI who are some kind of plants or something? I apoligize. I could swear I wrote that the three jurists had donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign. I think they should have not been allowed to sit on the jury. The attorney on trial is the one accused of lying to the FBI. I realize how poorly my comment was written, and I have not been around (except checking in to Investing basics forum until tonight to read the comments.
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Say that again in different words. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Or attach an article I can read. Are you saying there are 3 people on the jury for the man Durham accused of lying to the FBI who are some kind of plants or something? I apoligize. I could swear I wrote that the three jurists had donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign. I think they should have not been allowed to sit on the jury. The attorney on trial is the one accused of lying to the FBI. I realize how poorly my comment was written, and I have not been around (except checking in to Investing basics forum until tonight to read the comments. Ok gotcha - that makes sense. I’m not sure how to fix the jury problem, though. I would assume the people on the jury would either support Trump or support Clinton. Would it better to kick off all the Clinton supporters? Wouldn’t that cause an equally biased pro Trump jury? In a perfect world I guess we would try to get a jury of 12 people who don’t vote or follow politics at all, in order to get truly neutral jurists - I wonder if lawyers could boot jurists during voir dire just based on their political affiliation? Plus even if you could, depending on where the trial was taking place, the jury might be almost all GOP or DEM leaning - hard to find a full jury of GOP supporters in NYC, I would think. Not sure, not a legal expert at all.
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Post by happyhoix on May 24, 2022 7:25:21 GMT -5
Ok so the conspiracy is gaining ground. So sad Ok so why is Trump spending so much political energy getting rid of the SOSs in those swing states that went against him in the 2020 election? Why waste his time and PAC money on the SOSs instead of focusing on getting GOPers elected to congress in the midterms? You know Trump doesn’t do anything that doesn’t help him in some way. So how would having far right Trump friendly SOSs help him, do you think?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 24, 2022 11:34:39 GMT -5
it's worse. it is a contagion. the GOP apparently now sees this as the path forward.
i always figured that they would just figure a way to attract young voters and remake the party. but i was wrong. they have decided that neo-fascism is the better course.
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