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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 11:35:43 GMT -5
You should give up when you realize you are wrong and know far less than the person you're talking to. As they say, better late than never @minnesota, being a jerk to the women on this board is just his thing. Ignoring him, like many of us are doing, makes your experience nicer here. Does not surprise me one bit that people looking for a reason to be offended get worked up in a tizzy over being wrong. Does this mean you're ACTUALLY ignoring me? Because the last dozen times you said you were, it wasn't true. I do admit, stupid people do often think I'm a jerk when I point out they are lying or ignorant. Seems people today have been conditioned that no matter how stupid their statement is, we should all hold hands and smile and pretend they are smart too. I'm kind of flattered that it sounds like you think I'm kind to the men of this board! I hope all the guys read that and realize I'm nice to them.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 11:37:09 GMT -5
Perhaps this country needs to find a way where scraping by doesn't require 2 full-time incomes, so people can watch their own children when necessary and tend to their educational needs. The problem is school has now become daycare and the feeding program for many children in this country without parents having any other options. Perhaps new options are needed? Scraping by doesn't require 2 full time incomes. Here's a great new system...don't have kids you can't afford to have. What a novel idea! Parents have very few options, that's typically what happens when you make bad decision after bad decision, you eventually end up in a spot where your options have shrunk to almost nothing desirable.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 20, 2020 11:49:45 GMT -5
If you don't have bussing, 90% of the students wouldn't be able to get to school, they live too far away to walk. The ES is 10 miles away from the MS and HS which share a campus and bus run. Logistics matter. Our district reorganized a decade ago. Formerly it was 2 ES k-6 (one in each village) and one Jr/Sr HS 7-12. The far ES became the new ES prek-4, the near ES became the MS 5-8, and the Jr/Sr HS dropped the Jr part to do only 9-12, because that's the standard HS around here now. The endpoints at grades 4, 8, 12 were to align with state testing standards. This rearrangement also worked well for the population breakdowns by age (the HS was getting too crowded), and eliminated a good bit of bussing between the far village and the HS for things like swimming (HS pool), orchestra rehearsal (joint older ES level), sports. Keeping all the MS and HS age kids in one village simplifies things immensely just because of proximity. Now, larger districts do divide the grade cutoffs differently. Some are fewer grades per building, so ES may be k-3, MS 4-6, Jr high 7-8, HS 9-12. Then MS skews even younger, because they put a Jr High level in the mix. It's not the k-8 ES that I went to ages ago. When you say "the students" I assume you mean students in your district? Without knowing how your specific district operates, and being surrounded by a fair bit of small towns that share facilities here...around here you are responsible for getting your kid to that town's school (even if they don't do their classes there), then the bus takes them to the campus they attend classes at. In that kind of setup, busing isn't a problem, because you put kids who are going to the same classroom on the same buses (sections of buses). Ultimately though...it seems less problematic to tell parents "you're responsible for getting your kids to the school now instead of the buses" as opposed to "the kids are home with you all day now". Even if the current situation was voluntary to attend as opposed to a normal situation where it's required. I'm talking my district, and every other district in my region outside of the cities. Bussing is required by state law, because it's necessary, there is no public transportation. We haven't had "neighborhood" (for lack of a better term) schools in my area since the 1950s, when school districts were set up. My district covers 2 towns, with 2 villages that straddle the town borders as the population centers, but many live out in the farm country. Village kids can walk to their local school (unless their age level school is in the other village), but anyone outside the village is dependent on bussing for transportation to school. My 2 town district has 3 schools, total: 1 ES, 1 MS, 1 HS. Parents do not drive students to school. It would be a nightmare - the MS-HS campus is on the edge of the village, on the edge of the county. There's no way to go in thru the village and out a different path, because there's no crossroad after the schools until you are way out into the other county (also another CSD). It's a really stupid oversight - I've often felt the village is one emergency away from disaster if we suddenly needed to evacuate. There's the canal to the north (they've been condemning old bridges rather than repair them, so there's fewer alternatives, say when the lone bridge in the village is closed for painting as they did for months a few years ago). There's a chemical plant and railroad to the south. The bulk of the village to the west. And a long winding road along the canal to the east. Seven miles to the next bridge going north, maybe 5 to the next crossroad heading south to the major east/west route, but you've detoured way out of town.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 11:50:46 GMT -5
Scraping by doesn't require 2 full time incomes. Here's a great new system...don't have kids you can't afford to have. What a novel idea! Parents have very few options, that's typically what happens when you make bad decision after bad decision, you eventually end up in a spot where your options have shrunk to almost nothing desirable. You don't live in NNJ, do you? I never would have been able to afford a house in a decent school district if my Ex and I hadn't had $100K that he inherited from his mother as a down payment- and that was in 1984 and we had a mortgage of almost $200K on top of it. Now a starter house in a decent neighborhood is about $500K. How does someone with even a good job out of college manage that? Even if family helps with the down payment you've got a $400K mortgage and high property taxes. My suburb did happen to be almost all traditional households and Dad had some lengthy, nightmarish commute into NYC and never saw the kids when they were awake except on weekends, but my Ex and I wouldn't have been able to afford it on just one salary. And we had ONE kid, not a litter of them. I'm not sure how to solve the problem in those areas- high demand for housing equals high housing prices. DS now lives in Des Moines where he, DDIL and their 3 kids are living comfortably but not lavishly on his salary. That's what they wanted and I'm profoundly grateful they lived in an area where that was an option.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 12:03:54 GMT -5
Scraping by doesn't require 2 full time incomes. Here's a great new system...don't have kids you can't afford to have. What a novel idea! Parents have very few options, that's typically what happens when you make bad decision after bad decision, you eventually end up in a spot where your options have shrunk to almost nothing desirable. You don't live in NNJ, do you? I never would have been able to afford a house in a decent school district if my Ex and I hadn't had $100K that he inherited from his mother as a down payment- and that was in 1984 and we had a mortgage of almost $200K on top of it. Now a starter house in a decent neighborhood is about $500K. How does someone with even a good job out of college manage that? Even if family helps with the down payment you've got a $400K mortgage and high property taxes. My suburb did happen to be almost all traditional households and Dad had some lengthy, nightmarish commute into NYC and never saw the kids when they were awake except on weekends, but my Ex and I wouldn't have been able to afford it on just one salary. And we had ONE kid, not a litter of them. I'm not sure how to solve the problem in those areas- high demand for housing equals high housing prices. DS now lives in Des Moines where he, DDIL and their 3 kids are living comfortably but not lavishly on his salary. That's what they wanted and I'm profoundly grateful they lived in an area where that was an option. I would characterize "not scraping by" as including "not just living wherever you want to live" though. Or at minimum, I wouldn't classify that as the country's problem. It might be the problem of a local area, in how to get people in there to do jobs that don't pay enough to live there...but it's not a problem I think the "country" has to solve. FWIW I live near Des Moines, that was one of my considerations in where I wanted to live. Someone with a good job out of college might not manage all of that, they might start by living in an apartment, having roommates, or living somewhere less expensive, etc. There seems to be a growing narrative that people just deserve to have what they want, and it's up to everyone else to figure out how to accommodate that (living where they want, having the jobs they want, having the kids they want, having the housing they want, etc). ETA: Also, frankly, I wouldn't describe the situation you say you're living in as "scraping by". Living in what sounds like a pretty nice neighborhood, owning a home, etc. Maybe we have different ideas of scraping by though...I'm thinking someone living paycheck to paycheck, no homeownership, living in a bad neighborhood, etc.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 20, 2020 12:23:46 GMT -5
But how many kids are in the daycare itself? I'm used to daycares being a half dozen kids max in a home setting, or what, 15 kids in a commercial one? If you are talking larger numbers than that, there's no way I'd send my little ones to a warehousing type daycare scenario. In the ES situation, the kids are exposed to most of the kids in the school, regardless of keeping them in a single 25-30 kid classroom daily. They ride the bus, or walk. They all funnel in one door (safety protocols after school shootings, to eliminate the threat of unauthorized people getting in) and fan out to the different grade wings. Multi-age orchestra and band and chorus. Lunch. Recess. Our district (a small, rural one) has roughly 100 kids per grade level. That's ~472 kids in the ES (UPK isn't universal, they limit slots to 72). Couple hundred. Rooms vary from 10-15 kids (and my kid is in a room that can best be described as a "double room" (like a preschool, they have their own 2 classrooms and then they all interact together for a bunch of stuff too). They have about 20 rooms total...it's one of the smaller non-home daycares around. It's essentially the same setup as a Kindergarten is here in terms of her wing of the building. There's no reason they need things like multi-age orchestra, band, chorus...multi age lunches or recess. Those things take a snap of the fingers to fix. Things like the door and transportation...same issues daycares have. They go in one door, someone has to get them there. COUPLE HUNDRED!?? In a daycare? That's disgusting. No way, no how. But I like how you think a single classroom can field a full orchestra, band, and chorus. Ok, maybe chorus. Not the others. There's also a limit to how far you can divide the time of the directors of said orchestras and bands. Three classes per grade, times 9 or ten grade levels (band starts grade 4, orchestra grade 3). That's without individual/group instrumental instruction, and other courses like Music Theory. We have one orchestra director, 2 band directors. It's simple logistics, just like multiple parents have pointed out with lunch scheduling - there isn't enough time in the day to space out lunches any more than they already are.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 12:33:00 GMT -5
Couple hundred. Rooms vary from 10-15 kids (and my kid is in a room that can best be described as a "double room" (like a preschool, they have their own 2 classrooms and then they all interact together for a bunch of stuff too). They have about 20 rooms total...it's one of the smaller non-home daycares around. It's essentially the same setup as a Kindergarten is here in terms of her wing of the building. There's no reason they need things like multi-age orchestra, band, chorus...multi age lunches or recess. Those things take a snap of the fingers to fix. Things like the door and transportation...same issues daycares have. They go in one door, someone has to get them there. COUPLE HUNDRED!?? In a daycare? That's disgusting. No way, no how. But I like how you think a single classroom can field a full orchestra, band, and chorus. Ok, maybe chorus. Not the others. There's also a limit to how far you can divide the time of the directors of said orchestras and bands. Three classes per grade, times 9 or ten grade levels (band starts grade 4, orchestra grade 3). That's without individual/group instrumental instruction, and other courses like Music Theory. We have one orchestra director, 2 band directors. It's simple logistics, just like multiple parents have pointed out with lunch scheduling - there isn't enough time in the day to space out lunches any more than they already are. No, I don't think that. I'm saying they can just skip it. They'd be skipping it if they didn't have school anyways. There's no reason to say "well I guess we can't teach kids math because we don't have a solution for orchestra". I'm not really sure how a couple hundred in a daycare is disgusting. If you put 10 kids in a room in 20 different buildings or house all the rooms in the same building there's no functional difference. It's not like it's 200 kids running amok in the same room. Personally I'd much rather have people trained and certified to take care of kids in a professional facility than someone just making do by having kids in their house. Then again, I don't just walk next door to ask my neighbor if they can do my dentistry for me either.
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Post by emma1420 on May 20, 2020 12:34:11 GMT -5
Perhaps this country needs to find a way where scraping by doesn't require 2 full-time incomes, so people can watch their own children when necessary and tend to their educational needs. The problem is school has now become daycare and the feeding program for many children in this country without parents having any other options. Perhaps new options are needed? Scraping by doesn't require 2 full time incomes. Here's a great new system...don't have kids you can't afford to have. What a novel idea! Parents have very few options, that's typically what happens when you make bad decision after bad decision, you eventually end up in a spot where your options have shrunk to almost nothing desirable. It does if you are a lower wage worker. Even if you make $15 an hour (which is more the double the federal minimum wage), then you probably do need two incomes. At that pay rate you don't get much help in terms of healthcare and childcare subsidies. In terms of daycare, all daycares have been open in my area during our stay-at-home orders. In my kid's daycare there are 4 kids and two of them are siblings. Versus our elementary schools that have hundreds of kids, our middle schools that have a thousand kids, and our high school kids that typically have between 1500-2000 kids. The risk of transmission for my kid is much much less than that of my neighbor who has one kid in middle school and one in elementary school. I do think when it comes to school reopenings, that perhaps there needs to be a more custom plan, versus statewide plans. Perhaps those schools that only have 100 students do reopen, but those that have thousands don't. I think we'll need more customized solutions based on transmission rates and school size.
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Post by tskeeter on May 20, 2020 12:48:49 GMT -5
Pandemic responses, another argument for birth control.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 20, 2020 12:53:32 GMT -5
COUPLE HUNDRED!?? In a daycare? That's disgusting. No way, no how. But I like how you think a single classroom can field a full orchestra, band, and chorus. Ok, maybe chorus. Not the others. There's also a limit to how far you can divide the time of the directors of said orchestras and bands. Three classes per grade, times 9 or ten grade levels (band starts grade 4, orchestra grade 3). That's without individual/group instrumental instruction, and other courses like Music Theory. We have one orchestra director, 2 band directors. It's simple logistics, just like multiple parents have pointed out with lunch scheduling - there isn't enough time in the day to space out lunches any more than they already are. No, I don't think that. I'm saying they can just skip it. They'd be skipping it if they didn't have school anyways. There's no reason to say "well I guess we can't teach kids math because we don't have a solution for orchestra". I'm not really sure how a couple hundred in a daycare is disgusting. If you put 10 kids in a room in 20 different buildings or house all the rooms in the same building there's no functional difference. It's not like it's 200 kids running amok in the same room. Personally I'd much rather have people trained and certified to take care of kids in a professional facility than someone just making do by having kids in their house. Then again, I don't just walk next door to ask my neighbor if they can do my dentistry for me either. We obviously have polar opposite beliefs on childcare and child-raising, if you think 200 children in a "professional facility" with employees "trained and certified to take care of children" is a good thing, vs a loving mother caring for a smaller number of children in a home, family setting. But that's why I chose to be a SAHM to my kids until the youngest hit school age. I wanted to be the one teaching them everything from birth, instead of leaving it to strangers (even if they are "professionals"). I enjoy children, it's not a distasteful duty to outsource for us, it's the point of having children. I really feel badly for those who have to be dual income parents (or single parents) and have no choice but to place their kids in daycare. How awful to miss so much of their early development while separated.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 13:04:18 GMT -5
@minnesota, being a jerk to the women on this board is just his thing. Ignoring him, like many of us are doing, makes your experience nicer here. Does not surprise me one bit that people looking for a reason to be offended get worked up in a tizzy over being wrong. Does this mean you're ACTUALLY ignoring me? Because the last dozen times you said you were, it wasn't true. I do admit, stupid people do often think I'm a jerk when I point out they are lying or ignorant. Seems people today have been conditioned that no matter how stupid their statement is, we should all hold hands and smile and pretend they are smart too. I'm kind of flattered that it sounds like you think I'm kind to the men of this board! I hope all the guys read that and realize I'm nice to them. I'm pretty sure YOU are the one that's offended here, and I'm guessing it's because you have a daughter in a large daycare and don't like the idea that she is being lumped in with the "acceptable risk" group. So, instead of just conceding that she would be safer at home you're lashing out at me with the whole "Schools have to be safe because it's just like daycare and my kid is in daycare and daycare has to be safe or they wouldn't let me put her in daycare...and...and...you're stupid!"
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Post by lurkyloo on May 20, 2020 13:04:48 GMT -5
Well, that's just nuts. How much of that time is taken up going through the line to get food? Is there any time left to go outside and play if you gobble it down fast enough? This encourages really bad eating habits. Closer to the OT- it's sad that people are turning it into a class thing. There are plenty of professional-level jobs that people of any race can't do at home, starting with doctors, nurses, dentists, etc. And daycare centers, at least in the past, weren't willing to work with parents who wanted less than a 5-day schedule. I suppose that will have to change. About 10 minutes according to my kids. And the kids with cold lunches aren't allowed to sit with the hot lunch kids, for reasons neither of my kids could explain. C's grade school has a lunch recess directly after eating that is not part of the 20 minutes to eat. I want to say it's 30 minutes. There's a paint line on the playground and kids from K4-2nd grade have to stay on their side of the line. The older kids can roam anywhere on the playground.
My son's class size is about 25 kids with 1 adult in 4th grade. K4 and K5 run closer to 30 most years; with a German intern to help for part of the day.
Day care, in a legal preschool, was smaller with more teachers. There's ratios based on ages and class size and I don't know them anymore.
Allergy thing? For the cold/hot lunch segregation, I mean. At DS’ school kids who bring lunch from home are not allowed to sit at the designated allergy tables, bc kids are allowed to bring nut-containing items or other allergens. Also, DS had to eat lunch at 10:40 which caused all sorts of problems for a kid with appetite suppressing meds who gets hangry at the drop of a hat.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 13:07:16 GMT -5
No, I don't think that. I'm saying they can just skip it. They'd be skipping it if they didn't have school anyways. There's no reason to say "well I guess we can't teach kids math because we don't have a solution for orchestra". I'm not really sure how a couple hundred in a daycare is disgusting. If you put 10 kids in a room in 20 different buildings or house all the rooms in the same building there's no functional difference. It's not like it's 200 kids running amok in the same room. Personally I'd much rather have people trained and certified to take care of kids in a professional facility than someone just making do by having kids in their house. Then again, I don't just walk next door to ask my neighbor if they can do my dentistry for me either. We obviously have polar opposite beliefs on childcare and child-raising, if you think 200 children in a "professional facility" with employees "trained and certified to take care of children" is a good thing, vs a loving mother caring for a smaller number of children in a home, family setting. But that's why I chose to be a SAHM to my kids until the youngest hit school age. I wanted to be the one teaching them everything from birth, instead of leaving it to strangers (even if they are "professionals"). I enjoy children, it's not a distasteful duty to outsource for us, it's the point of having children. I really feel badly for those who have to be dual income parents (or single parents) and have no choice but to place their kids in daycare. How awful to miss so much of their early development while separated. Definitely, I'd rather have my kids taught by people who know what they're doing. Of course I also take my kids to the doctor, I don't just ask a random parent in the neighborhood to diagnose them. Then again, we love our kids, so we don't mind paying for professionals. Of course, I suppose I should consider the source. Someone who thinks we can't teach math & science because "what about multi grade orchestras? If we can't solve that then we can't have school!" lol.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 13:11:14 GMT -5
Does not surprise me one bit that people looking for a reason to be offended get worked up in a tizzy over being wrong. Does this mean you're ACTUALLY ignoring me? Because the last dozen times you said you were, it wasn't true. I do admit, stupid people do often think I'm a jerk when I point out they are lying or ignorant. Seems people today have been conditioned that no matter how stupid their statement is, we should all hold hands and smile and pretend they are smart too. I'm kind of flattered that it sounds like you think I'm kind to the men of this board! I hope all the guys read that and realize I'm nice to them. I'm pretty sure YOU are the one that's offended here, and I'm guessing it's because you have a daughter in a large daycare and don't like the idea that she is being lumped in with the "acceptable risk" group. So, instead of just conceding that she would be safer at home you're lashing out at me with the whole "Schools have to be safe because it's just like daycare and my kid is in daycare and daycare has to be safe or they wouldn't let me put her in daycare...and...and...you're stupid!"
Why would I not like her being lumped in with the "acceptable risk" group when I'm choosing to have her there? If you're going to punch above your weight, you should at least try to make some kind of logical sense. Funny though, I didn't call you stupid, I was talking about stupid people to someone else, and then somehow you identified with it and threw your above tantrum? Interesting. She'd definitely be safer at home...everyone would be safer at home, pretty much all the time.
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Post by lurkyloo on May 20, 2020 13:11:44 GMT -5
You should give up when you realize you are wrong and know far less than the person you're talking to. As they say, better late than never @minnesota, being a jerk to the women on this board is just his thing. Ignoring him, like many of us are doing, makes your experience nicer here. Eh, I’m not even sure it’s targeting women specifically or just reflects the board demographic. I really think we should bronze the earlier line about being deliberately obtuse though. Either way, please don’t feed the trolls.
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 20, 2020 13:14:47 GMT -5
I predict that my jurisdiction is going to open up the schools in the fall, but shut everything down if the case is spike too much. My state is in the middle of the country, shut down early, didn’t send people with coronavirus into nursing homes, and has barely been touched by it. They also have a enough testing, and have arranged things so that anybody who passes a rather lax criteria can get tested for free.
Since the whole state is run by ‘prepper’ types. The local convention was turned into a pop-up hospital two months ago, even though we’ve had less than 600 hospitalizations since this thing began. And now it looks like they’re taking over some of the county rec centers too. So I’m pretty confident that we can handle a somewhat large spike in cases, and the fact that we’re protecting our old people will do a lot to keep the hospitals from getting overwhelmed.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 13:15:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure YOU are the one that's offended here, and I'm guessing it's because you have a daughter in a large daycare and don't like the idea that she is being lumped in with the "acceptable risk" group. So, instead of just conceding that she would be safer at home you're lashing out at me with the whole "Schools have to be safe because it's just like daycare and my kid is in daycare and daycare has to be safe or they wouldn't let me put her in daycare...and...and...you're stupid!"
Why would I not like her being lumped in with the "acceptable risk" group when I'm choosing to have her there? If you're going to punch above your weight, you should at least try to make some kind of logical sense. Funny though, I didn't call you stupid, I was talking about stupid people to someone else, and then somehow you identified with it and threw your above tantrum? Interesting.She'd definitely be safer at home...everyone would be safer at home, pretty much all the time. If that isn't the ultimate calling someone stupid I don't know what is.
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Post by billisonboard on May 20, 2020 13:15:31 GMT -5
... We obviously have polar opposite beliefs on childcare and child-raising, if you think 200 children in a "professional facility" with employees "trained and certified to take care of children" is a good thing, vs a loving mother caring for a smaller number of children in a home, family setting. ... Having been raised by a psycho bitch abusive SAHM who considered herself a loving mother, I tend to prefer "trained and certified ..." also.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 20, 2020 13:20:56 GMT -5
I'm the parent. I'm the professional here.
Daycare workers are a secondary substitute for when a parent can't be available.
Honestly, it's like Brave New World is a utopia, reading this stuff.
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Post by thyme4change on May 20, 2020 13:21:13 GMT -5
We obviously have polar opposite beliefs on childcare and child-raising, if you think 200 children in a "professional facility" with employees "trained and certified to take care of children" is a good thing, vs a loving mother caring for a smaller number of children in a home, family setting. But that's why I chose to be a SAHM to my kids until the youngest hit school age. I wanted to be the one teaching them everything from birth, instead of leaving it to strangers (even if they are "professionals"). I enjoy children, it's not a distasteful duty to outsource for us, it's the point of having children. I really feel badly for those who have to be dual income parents (or single parents) and have no choice but to place their kids in daycare. How awful to miss so much of their early development while separated. Oh Jesus. Not this again.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 13:23:58 GMT -5
I'm the parent. I'm the professional here. Daycare workers are a secondary substitute for when a parent can't be available. Honestly, it's like Brave New World is a utopia, reading this stuff. Oh, I'm a parent, does that make me a professional doctor too? Or are there only certain things I get to call myself a professional at by having a kid? I threw a ball with my son last night, am I professional baseball player now? I want my big contract!
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 13:26:05 GMT -5
We obviously have polar opposite beliefs on childcare and child-raising, if you think 200 children in a "professional facility" with employees "trained and certified to take care of children" is a good thing, vs a loving mother caring for a smaller number of children in a home, family setting. But that's why I chose to be a SAHM to my kids until the youngest hit school age. I wanted to be the one teaching them everything from birth, instead of leaving it to strangers (even if they are "professionals"). I enjoy children, it's not a distasteful duty to outsource for us, it's the point of having children. I really feel badly for those who have to be dual income parents (or single parents) and have no choice but to place their kids in daycare. How awful to miss so much of their early development while separated. Oh Jesus. Not this again. Having a child makes you good at everything...it's a scientific fact! That's why I have to many by so many different women, so I can be extra good at so many things!
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Post by teen persuasion on May 20, 2020 13:29:17 GMT -5
... We obviously have polar opposite beliefs on childcare and child-raising, if you think 200 children in a "professional facility" with employees "trained and certified to take care of children" is a good thing, vs a loving mother caring for a smaller number of children in a home, family setting. ... Having been raised by a psycho bitch abusive SAHM who considered herself a loving mother, I tend to prefer "trained and certified ..." also. Sorry, billisonboard, I was typing while you were, too. Yeah, there's always that problem of abusive parents. My apologies to you. But I don't think that's the norm. I'd hope most parents are more strongly inclined to love and care for their children, than are the non-related daycare employees. And if they should be professionals certified to care for children, why aren't parents trained and certified to care for children, too?
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 13:33:43 GMT -5
Having been raised by a psycho bitch abusive SAHM who considered herself a loving mother, I tend to prefer "trained and certified ..." also. Sorry, billisonboard, I was typing while you were, too. Yeah, there's always that problem of abusive parents. My apologies to you. But I don't think that's the norm. I'd hope most parents are more strongly inclined to love and care for their children, than are the non-related daycare employees. And if they should be professionals certified to care for children, why aren't parents trained and certified to care for children, too? I do think most parents are inclined to love and care for their children. Most parents are also no smarter than the average person...which is super stupid. Why aren't parents trained and certified to care for children too? Why aren't parents trained to be doctors, and dentists, and mechanics, etc? Are you suggesting all parents should have a 4 year degree in early childhood development before having kids? I mean, if you really loved your kids you'd probably have a PhD in it right?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 20, 2020 13:38:45 GMT -5
Most people overestimate there natural ability at many things, including being a parent. There are a wide range of abilities in parenting as with everything else, and it is possible to be good at one aspect, and not so good at another. All I know is, even with my wife and I having advanced degrees, we would not have been able to teach our children half as well as they were in our school system. I know it is dependent on the system, but they did a great job, as did the daycare they went to when they were younger
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Post by billisonboard on May 20, 2020 13:44:58 GMT -5
Having been raised by a psycho bitch abusive SAHM who considered herself a loving mother, I tend to prefer "trained and certified ..." also. Sorry, billisonboard, I was typing while you were, too. Yeah, there's always that problem of abusive parents. My apologies to you. But I don't think that's the norm. I'd hope most parents are more strongly inclined to love and care for their children, than are the non-related daycare employees. And if they should be professionals certified to care for children, why aren't parents trained and certified to care for children, too? People should have required training before they become parents. They should have to prove they are capable human beings before a young life is placed in their charge. The common reaction to what I just typed is "why (they) aren't".
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 13:47:24 GMT -5
Most people overestimate there natural ability at many things, including being a parent. There are a wide range of abilities in parenting as with everything else, and it is possible to be good at one aspect, and not so good at another. All I know is, even with my wife and I having advanced degrees, we would not have been able to teach our children half as well as they were in our school system. I know it is dependent on the system, but they did a great job, as did the daycare they went to when they were younger Were they adopted kids? I think they have to be biologically yours before you become magically imbibed with your Childhood Development degree. If anyone knows the answer, I'd also like to know if it works if you have a C-section...or if the baby has to exit through your vagina to get these abilities. Is it like a membrane thing that gets passed as the baby exits?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 20, 2020 13:57:24 GMT -5
Most people overestimate there natural ability at many things, including being a parent. There are a wide range of abilities in parenting as with everything else, and it is possible to be good at one aspect, and not so good at another. All I know is, even with my wife and I having advanced degrees, we would not have been able to teach our children half as well as they were in our school system. I know it is dependent on the system, but they did a great job, as did the daycare they went to when they were younger Were they adopted kids? I think they have to be biologically yours before you become magically imbibed with your Childhood Development degree. If anyone knows the answer, I'd also like to know if it works if you have a C-section...or if the baby has to exit through your vagina to get these abilities. Is it like a membrane thing that gets passed as the baby exits? No they were ours. Now the vagina explanation works for me, but I know my wife feels the same way about their education.
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 20, 2020 14:02:12 GMT -5
This thread with hoops declaring superiority over the intelligence of every other poster is making my brain BLEED!! Every STATE, COUNTY, CITY, SCHOOL DISTRICT, FAMILY is DIFFERENT! Hoops answer to everything because it works for hoops family DOES NOT MATTER ONE BIT!!!
It's great to get varying points of view, but WTF!!
I'm off to the day drinking thread!
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 20, 2020 14:05:47 GMT -5
My kids did way better at the in-home daycare they had as babies/toddlers. They tend to get lost in the crowd at the bigger daycares now. I preferred they get more individual attention. Of course, it's heavily dependent upon the day care provider. I wouldn't put too much stock in the training of the minimum wage earners at the big places. There's a reason those places have a revolving door for workers.
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