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Post by thyme4change on May 20, 2020 14:06:18 GMT -5
Most people overestimate there natural ability at many things, including being a parent. There are a wide range of abilities in parenting as with everything else, and it is possible to be good at one aspect, and not so good at another. All I know is, even with my wife and I having advanced degrees, we would not have been able to teach our children half as well as they were in our school system. I know it is dependent on the system, but they did a great job, as did the daycare they went to when they were younger Someone asked me parenting advice and I answered "I don't know. I've only done it twice." I kinda know what works for my kids, but I know I can't apply it universally to all kids. Also, I don't have great marital advice. I've only done that once.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 14:10:07 GMT -5
My kids did way better at the in-home daycare they had as babies/toddlers. They tend to get lost in the crowd at the bigger daycares now. I preferred they get more individual attention. Of course, it's heavily dependent upon the day care provider. I wouldn't put too much stock in the training of the minimum wage earners at the big places. There's a reason those places have a revolving door for workers. I think the question is "what crowd?". My 1 year old has 8 kids in his class and 2 teachers. My 3 year old is in a modified pre-K type room with 15 kids and 2 teachers (modified meaning it's basically the pre-k curriculum, but she's not technically old enough to be enrolled in the pre-k formal class). I have a hard time believing my 1 year old would be likely to go to an in-home daycare where 1 person working there is watching less than 4 kids. It's also the reason none of them go to the daycare in our town. It's "smaller", like 30-40 kids...but they're all together, one room, one set of teachers, 18 month olds through 12 year olds.
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 20, 2020 14:11:25 GMT -5
Most people overestimate there natural ability at many things, including being a parent. There are a wide range of abilities in parenting as with everything else, and it is possible to be good at one aspect, and not so good at another. All I know is, even with my wife and I having advanced degrees, we would not have been able to teach our children half as well as they were in our school system. I know it is dependent on the system, but they did a great job, as did the daycare they went to when they were younger Were they adopted kids? I think they have to be biologically yours before you become magically imbibed with your Childhood Development degree. If anyone knows the answer, I'd also like to know if it works if you have a C-section...or if the baby has to exit through your vagina to get these abilities. Is it like a membrane thing that gets passed as the baby exits? This was fucking rude and ignorant to ask were they adopted?
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Post by steph08 on May 20, 2020 14:11:53 GMT -5
"Have you thought about sending your kids back to school in the fall?"
Yes, I have thought about it.
I would like them to go back, at least in some capacity. Well, my oldest would go to 1st grade, and it would be my youngest's first year at school - in half-day pre-K. My 4yo would definitely benefit from more structure and being around kids her age. And my 6yo really misses the social interaction.
I don't mind homeschooling my oldest - I think I could be halfway decent at it. HOWEVER, I also have to work full-time from home at the same time, so that is where the issue occurs. And my 4yo is also running around wanting to join in but isn't at the same level. And the kids/animals/DH still need fed and played with and the house needs cleaned and OMG how is there so much laundry when we never leave the house and THANK GOD for the dishwasher because we are running it like everyday and so on.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 14:12:14 GMT -5
This thread with hoops declaring superiority over the intelligence of every other poster is making my brain BLEED!! Every STATE, COUNTY, CITY, SCHOOL DISTRICT, FAMILY is DIFFERENT! Hoops answer to everything because it works for hoops family DOES NOT MATTER ONE BIT!!! It's great to get varying points of view, but WTF!! I'm off to the day drinking thread! I think at this point it's only obviously been 2. I'd be happy to provide the full list though.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 14:14:25 GMT -5
Were they adopted kids? I think they have to be biologically yours before you become magically imbibed with your Childhood Development degree. If anyone knows the answer, I'd also like to know if it works if you have a C-section...or if the baby has to exit through your vagina to get these abilities. Is it like a membrane thing that gets passed as the baby exits? This was fucking rude and ignorant to ask were they adopted? Was it? Because I'm pretty sure the person I asked understood what I asked and the context of it. Or are you just wanting to be offended on their behalf? If you're going to try to pick a fight with me, you'd probably have more luck if you picked a post where I wasn't agreeing with a poster and then showing a lack of reading comprehension by presuming offense.
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 20, 2020 14:17:03 GMT -5
My kids did way better at the in-home daycare they had as babies/toddlers. They tend to get lost in the crowd at the bigger daycares now. I preferred they get more individual attention. Of course, it's heavily dependent upon the day care provider. I wouldn't put too much stock in the training of the minimum wage earners at the big places. There's a reason those places have a revolving door for workers. I think the question is "what crowd?". My 1 year old has 8 kids in his class and 2 teachers. My 3 year old is in a modified pre-K type room with 15 kids and 2 teachers (modified meaning it's basically the pre-k curriculum, but she's not technically old enough to be enrolled in the pre-k formal class). I have a hard time believing my 1 year old would be likely to go to an in-home daycare where 1 person working there is watching less than 4 kids. It's also the reason none of them go to the daycare in our town. It's "smaller", like 30-40 kids...but they're all together, one room, one set of teachers, 18 month olds through 12 year olds. YOUR KIDS ARE ONLY 1 and 3!!!! HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU GIVE ANY ADVICE ON SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN AND THEIR PARENTS! OMG Keep your judgmental comments to yourself and just wait until your kids are ACTUALLY in school!!
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Post by emma1420 on May 20, 2020 14:17:43 GMT -5
My kids did way better at the in-home daycare they had as babies/toddlers. They tend to get lost in the crowd at the bigger daycares now. I preferred they get more individual attention. Of course, it's heavily dependent upon the day care provider. I wouldn't put too much stock in the training of the minimum wage earners at the big places. There's a reason those places have a revolving door for workers. My kid is 5 months and in an in home daycare. And while I could do without his daycare lady's conspiracy theory opinions, in general she's loving and caring, and I have zero concerns for my kid's safety in her care. Now, perhaps when he's 3 or 4, I will want to move him into a setting with more structure learning, but right now he's fine. However, I don't have a huge amount of confidence in a rotating group of "teachers" in these daycare centers who are paid $11 a hour.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 14:18:06 GMT -5
I think the question is "what crowd?". My 1 year old has 8 kids in his class and 2 teachers. My 3 year old is in a modified pre-K type room with 15 kids and 2 teachers (modified meaning it's basically the pre-k curriculum, but she's not technically old enough to be enrolled in the pre-k formal class). I have a hard time believing my 1 year old would be likely to go to an in-home daycare where 1 person working there is watching less than 4 kids. It's also the reason none of them go to the daycare in our town. It's "smaller", like 30-40 kids...but they're all together, one room, one set of teachers, 18 month olds through 12 year olds. YOUR KIDS ARE ONLY 1 and 3!!!! HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU GIVE ANY ADVICE ON SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN AND THEIR PARENTS! OMG Keep your judgmental comments to yourself and just wait until your kids are ACTUALLY in school!! What are you talking about? I know you said you were going to the day drinking thread...seems like maybe you've had enough already kid. ETA: Wait weren't you talking about what the President should have done about the class of 2020 programming? You've never even BEEN President before. Keep your comments to yourself and just wait until you are President! lol. Drunk people are fun.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on May 20, 2020 14:20:49 GMT -5
I will reply to the original topic at hand. The answer at this point: I don't know. Our school system has not described what it will look like. Our family is two FT health care workers who have so far been able to split our schedules to be home with our 2nd grader. That is because the stay-at-home mandate has been interpreted to mean "work from home when possible". So the two of us have been sharing and going into work 2 or 3 days a week and doing home schooling 2 or 3 days a week. Our child is too young (by law) to stay home alone. IF school returns and it's every-other-day or something, I am hopeful I can convince our administrators (and my spouse his) that doing this WFH option 1-2 days a week has not hurt my productivity and can be continued. What I don't understand is 3 days a week at school, 2 days a week with the same kids at a different location (day care?). It may end up that our 2 income household will have to have one of us retire, or we will have to hire a FT nanny or nanny share or ? who knows. I'd like my child to get educated but I guess I'll take what I can get. I can afford to pay people to come stay with her, but how many educated "teacher worthy" people will be around to share? I dunno. Our home schooling is frustrating but I think in terms of learning, they are doing better than in school and learning far more. We tailor the education and the weakness, we push her where she is strong... basically she has two PhD tutors... why wouldn't she do well? So in that regard, I really haven't a clue. I am hoping for vaccinations, good science, new leadership, and a boatload of other things for this fall. I will continue to cross my fingers.
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Post by emma1420 on May 20, 2020 14:20:49 GMT -5
Were they adopted kids? I think they have to be biologically yours before you become magically imbibed with your Childhood Development degree. If anyone knows the answer, I'd also like to know if it works if you have a C-section...or if the baby has to exit through your vagina to get these abilities. Is it like a membrane thing that gets passed as the baby exits? No they were ours. Now the vagina explanation works for me, but I know my wife feels the same way about their education. As an adoptive parent, I assure you that my son is mine not someone else's.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 20, 2020 14:23:03 GMT -5
Ok, I concede - most people are stupid, most parents are stupid, everyone would be better outsourcing child-raising to childcare "professionals". Happy? Yeah, DH and I can't possibly be qualified to raise 5 kids on our own - DH only has degrees in English, Psychology, and Education, while I only have a degree in Computer Science, experience in tutoring college level mathematics, and work in Youth Library Services. No PhDs in early childhood development.
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Post by giramomma on May 20, 2020 14:23:06 GMT -5
Most people overestimate there natural ability at many things, including being a parent. There are a wide range of abilities in parenting as with everything else, and it is possible to be good at one aspect, and not so good at another. All I know is, even with my wife and I having advanced degrees, we would not have been able to teach our children half as well as they were in our school system. I know it is dependent on the system, but they did a great job, as did the daycare they went to when they were younger My kids are all over the board, in terms of age (2-15).
The one we have to work with the most is in 2nd grade. While I don't have a MD behind my name, I do actually understand how to write in cursive (even how the school teaches it!), estimate measurements (does it make sense that we measure an umbrella in inches or feet?), and add/subtract double digit numbers. I can also do things like explain singular and plural possession, identify parts of speech in a sentence, and help my kiddo sound out words when she's stuck on words when she's reading outloud. I can remind her to punctuate her thought appropriately.
And, as it turns out for the two year old, having 3 older siblings jaw at you all day long seems to be a good enough replacement for professional, degreed child-care experts. My two year old knew most of her colors before she turned 2. If my 12 year old has her way, she'll make sure my 2 year old can read before my 2 year old hits 4k. Playing school is much more fun with live people than AG dolls and stuffed animals.
Can we teach my 15 year old son how to change the oil in a car. Of course not. We don't have access to a garage to teach him at. And we don't have the skills. We also don't have access to a woodshop, either. I don't do as well with some Math, so my husband takes that.
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Post by billisonboard on May 20, 2020 14:24:24 GMT -5
... Also, I don't have great marital advice. I've only done that once. I, on the other hand, have great martial advice. "So here are some wonderful examples of what you don't want to do if you want to stay married. Trust me on these. I have tried them more than once and they do not result in a positive outcome."
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 20, 2020 14:26:47 GMT -5
Most people overestimate there natural ability at many things, including being a parent. There are a wide range of abilities in parenting as with everything else, and it is possible to be good at one aspect, and not so good at another. All I know is, even with my wife and I having advanced degrees, we would not have been able to teach our children half as well as they were in our school system. I know it is dependent on the system, but they did a great job, as did the daycare they went to when they were younger Someone asked me parenting advice and I answered "I don't know. I've only done it twice." I kinda know what works for my kids, but I know I can't apply it universally to all kids. Also, I don't have great marital advice. I've only done that once. Mine have made it to 5 and 10 so I must not totally suck as a parent. I freely admit that by the standards of this board I had no business becoming a parent. Not only did I hand off my children to daycare at an early age so I could work but I am not nearly educated enough to be able to coach both of them to the required educational standards the state requires for each subject. I can certainly do some of them and even get them to an advanced level in certain subjects but I also happen to recognize my limits. There are some things they are better off having a teacher trained in the subject teaching them. Teachers have always had my respect but now more so than ever. I can't count how many times I've had to explain to Abby we did not have computers when I was her age so mommy is just as new to this shit as she is.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 14:27:22 GMT -5
... Also, I don't have great marital advice. I've only done that once. I, on the other hand, have great martial advice. "So here are some wonderful examples of what you don't want to do if you want to stay married. Trust me on these. I have tried them more than once and they do not result in a positive outcome." Anyone can give good marital advice...it's the simplest thing in the world and it's only one word..."Don't".
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Post by giramomma on May 20, 2020 14:29:08 GMT -5
So, we had to switch daycares for my oldest when he got older. Did the tour. Place was licensed, etc.
First day of drop off, I managed to notice that one kid has his head in the toilet..while the workers were complete oblivious. We didn't continue with them.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 14:30:17 GMT -5
Someone asked me parenting advice and I answered "I don't know. I've only done it twice." I kinda know what works for my kids, but I know I can't apply it universally to all kids. Also, I don't have great marital advice. I've only done that once. Mine have made it to 5 and 10 so I must not totally suck as a parent. I freely admit that by the standards of this board I had no business becoming a parent. Not only did I hand off my children to daycare at an early age so I could work but I am not nearly educated enough to be able to coach both of them to the required educational standards the state requires for each subject. I can certainly do some of them and even get them to an advanced level in certain subjects but I also happen to recognize my limits. Teachers have always had my respect but now more so than ever. I can't count how many times I've had to explain to Abby we did not have computers when I was her age so mommy is just as new to this shit as she is. You may not "totally suck", but if you're regularly dropping "shit" in your daily language to them...maybe some room for improvement (by conventional wisdom anyways...I fully support cursing around children and encouraging them to use curse words in the proper context).
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 14:31:39 GMT -5
I, on the other hand, have great martial advice. "So here are some wonderful examples of what you don't want to do if you want to stay married. Trust me on these. I have tried them more than once and they do not result in a positive outcome." Anyone can give good marital advice...it's the simplest thing in the world and it's only one word..."Don't".Quoting your wife?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 20, 2020 14:32:32 GMT -5
Mine have made it to 5 and 10 so I must not totally suck as a parent. I freely admit that by the standards of this board I had no business becoming a parent. Not only did I hand off my children to daycare at an early age so I could work but I am not nearly educated enough to be able to coach both of them to the required educational standards the state requires for each subject. I can certainly do some of them and even get them to an advanced level in certain subjects but I also happen to recognize my limits. Teachers have always had my respect but now more so than ever. I can't count how many times I've had to explain to Abby we did not have computers when I was her age so mommy is just as new to this shit as she is. You may not "totally suck", but if you're regularly dropping "shit" in your daily language to them...maybe some room for improvement (by conventional wisdom anyways...I fully support cursing around children and encouraging them to use curse words in the proper context). I've been dropping a lot stronger than that when we're dealing with her computer programs. If we have to go an entire year with online schooling that chromebook may not be making it back in tact.
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Post by hoops902 on May 20, 2020 14:33:29 GMT -5
Anyone can give good marital advice...it's the simplest thing in the world and it's only one word..."Don't". Quoting your wife? My wife is the only one of the two of us who WANTED to get married. I'm a heathen who wanted to keep living in sin...which is the messed up part because she is WAY hotter than I am. I should have been the one looking to contractually lock things down.
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Post by billisonboard on May 20, 2020 14:46:21 GMT -5
I will reply to the original topic at hand. The answer at this point: I don't know. Our school system has not described what it will look like. ... I am reminded of an Ed Psych professor telling us he played Trivial Pursuit with his older kids because while it was important to "learn how to think", it was also important to have a knowledge base to draw from to use in your thinking process.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 20, 2020 15:00:56 GMT -5
Ok, I concede - most people are stupid, most parents are stupid, everyone would be better outsourcing child-raising to childcare "professionals". Happy? Yeah, DH and I can't possibly be qualified to raise 5 kids on our own - DH only has degrees in English, Psychology, and Education, while I only have a degree in Computer Science, experience in tutoring college level mathematics, and work in Youth Library Services. No PhDs in early childhood development. Never said that. But being smart is necessary but not sufficient to be a teacher. You need to have the right temperament. Be able to encourage and be tough at the same time. Having patience to do the teaching especially when they do not get something that is obvious to you. Then, as they get older, they can actually know more about subjects than you. For example, I know I could teach biology if I had to. But, the details of certain concepts are not something I remember, given how long ago I was in school. So I would have to review the subject, and that is for a subject I know well. It is not an easy job. I know I could not do it, so I respect those who can. If you can do it, more power to you
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 15:14:55 GMT -5
Cheer up. They will have school in some form or fashion. And parents will cobble together some type of child care to fill in the gaps.
By the way, to add to the problem, there is a possibility of a teacher shortage . . . at least in Alabama. Twenty percent of the teachers in Alabama are over 50. Most are eligible for retirement. They still work because they enjoy what they do. But now that the paradigm is starting to shift, they don't enjoy it quite so much. Add in the virus, and there may be a mass exit. Remember that half of new teachers leave in the first five years. Plus, universities are turning out fewer and fewer teachers. It is a recipe for disaster.
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Post by bean29 on May 20, 2020 15:36:57 GMT -5
My kids did way better at the in-home daycare they had as babies/toddlers. They tend to get lost in the crowd at the bigger daycares now. I preferred they get more individual attention. Of course, it's heavily dependent upon the day care provider. I wouldn't put too much stock in the training of the minimum wage earners at the big places. There's a reason those places have a revolving door for workers. I think the question is "what crowd?". My 1 year old has 8 kids in his class and 2 teachers. My 3 year old is in a modified pre-K type room with 15 kids and 2 teachers (modified meaning it's basically the pre-k curriculum, but she's not technically old enough to be enrolled in the pre-k formal class). I have a hard time believing my 1 year old would be likely to go to an in-home daycare where 1 person working there is watching less than 4 kids. It's also the reason none of them go to the daycare in our town. It's "smaller", like 30-40 kids...but they're all together, one room, one set of teachers, 18 month olds through 12 year olds. My DS was in a 4K program that had 3 teachers, a student teacher, 2 aids and lots of parent volunteers. When my DD got to 4K the class had at least 20 students and one teacher. I was concerned about the student/teacher ratio but the teacher confidently told me she could manage everything herself. She was an excellent teacher. Over the years, I always heard rave reviews about her from other parents, so I was not alone in my opinion of her. There was a time when all kids were pretty much home schooled or mixed grades were taught in a one room school house. I know it is not easy, but I think we can mange to find solutions that will meet most kids needs. I hope and pray that it is only a short time though, because I would not want to home school my kids for an extended period. I was often stressed out just trying to help with homework.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 20, 2020 15:43:41 GMT -5
Cheer up. They will have school in some form or fashion. And parents will cobble together some type of child care to fill in the gaps. By the way, to add to the problem, there is a possibility of a teacher shortage . . . at least in Alabama. Twenty percent of the teachers in Alabama are over 50. Most are eligible for retirement. They still work because they enjoy what they do. But now that the paradigm is starting to shift, they don't enjoy it quite so much. Add in the virus, and there may be a mass exit. Remember that half of new teachers leave in the first five years. Plus, universities are turning out fewer and fewer teachers. It is a recipe for disaster. There's also the looming state/local/school district budget disaster. The states are throwing money at the medical system and unemployment, while sales tax (or other state) revenue is cratered. To patch the gap, they'll push more unfunded mandates down to the local level, and cut allotments to county/city/town/village governments and others like school districts and libraries, fire and police departments. School districts had their budget votes pushed off. Everyone knows there's less money available, as they are spending more on the pandemic. Cuts will have to be made, we just don't know where, yet.
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 20, 2020 15:51:20 GMT -5
My kids did way better at the in-home daycare they had as babies/toddlers. They tend to get lost in the crowd at the bigger daycares now. I preferred they get more individual attention. Of course, it's heavily dependent upon the day care provider. I wouldn't put too much stock in the training of the minimum wage earners at the big places. There's a reason those places have a revolving door for workers. My kid is 5 months and in an in home daycare. And while I could do without his daycare lady's conspiracy theory opinions, in general she's loving and caring, and I have zero concerns for my kid's safety in her care. Now, perhaps when he's 3 or 4, I will want to move him into a setting with more structure learning, but right now he's fine. However, I don't have a huge amount of confidence in a rotating group of "teachers" in these daycare centers who are paid $11 a hour. We had to pull Our son out of daycare and DH had to become a stay at home dad because our son was hard to feed and the daycare workers didn’t want to put in the time. DS was dangerously underweight and was getting sick constantly. This was a licensed facility in with a good reputation that was in a state that took daycare licensing seriously. But I would never presume to look down my nose and parents whose kids are doing just fine in daycare. Not everyone is cut out to be a stay at home parent. I’ve seen plenty of cases we are having the kids at home would be a complete disaster. In our case, having our son in daycare was a complete disaster. We were very lucky that we were in a position where we had a choice. I feel bad for the families who don’t. And by the way, plenty of kids with stay at home parents still go to preschool, so it’s not like they’re not getting exposed to a structured learning environment.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 20, 2020 16:04:32 GMT -5
My kids did way better at the in-home daycare they had as babies/toddlers. They tend to get lost in the crowd at the bigger daycares now. I preferred they get more individual attention. Of course, it's heavily dependent upon the day care provider. I wouldn't put too much stock in the training of the minimum wage earners at the big places. There's a reason those places have a revolving door for workers. I think the question is "what crowd?". My 1 year old has 8 kids in his class and 2 teachers. My 3 year old is in a modified pre-K type room with 15 kids and 2 teachers (modified meaning it's basically the pre-k curriculum, but she's not technically old enough to be enrolled in the pre-k formal class). I have a hard time believing my 1 year old would be likely to go to an in-home daycare where 1 person working there is watching less than 4 kids. It's also the reason none of them go to the daycare in our town. It's "smaller", like 30-40 kids...but they're all together, one room, one set of teachers, 18 month olds through 12 year olds. My in home daycare could have had up to 6 at a time, but normally had 3. She didn't want to deal with 6 at a time, and only had more for short periods of time. My kids were often the only ones there. Years later, she still takes them a few times a year, because she's like their 2nd mom, and I would totally want her to care for them should something to happen to both my DH and me.
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jelloshots4all
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 20, 2020 18:04:24 GMT -5
Someone asked me parenting advice and I answered "I don't know. I've only done it twice." I kinda know what works for my kids, but I know I can't apply it universally to all kids. Also, I don't have great marital advice. I've only done that once. Mine have made it to 5 and 10 so I must not totally suck as a parent. I freely admit that by the standards of this board I had no business becoming a parent. Not only did I hand off my children to daycare at an early age so I could work but I am not nearly educated enough to be able to coach both of them to the required educational standards the state requires for each subject. I can certainly do some of them and even get them to an advanced level in certain subjects but I also happen to recognize my limits. There are some things they are better off having a teacher trained in the subject teaching them. Teachers have always had my respect but now more so than ever. I can't count how many times I've had to explain to Abby we did not have computers when I was her age so mommy is just as new to this shit as she is. Many of us are highly educated, but the school's curriculum has changed over the years. When they introduced core math, it was completely different than how I learned math. They discontinued cursive here, so I've had to teach my children how to write cursive, which is fine, so they can sign legal documents. I excelled in most math subjects (I'm an accountant now), but the core dynamics I learned long ago I haven't had to use in years- hello trigonometry. Teachers are involved in this day to day. Not so much us parents. And it can be frustrating for both the parents and kids as we are trying to learn some concepts together. Even helping my daughter and her roommate with their accounting class. I learned balance sheet debits and credits first, but the materials they had were quite the opposite. I have always had the utmost respect for teachers as my parents spent their careers in education. I have many friends who are teachers, principals, superintendents and they are doing thire best. They also understand how this online learning for K-12 is difficult for kids/parents.
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