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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 6, 2020 14:46:15 GMT -5
Breathe easy, America. President Donald Trump's got this. A deadly pandemic is tearing through the country, but the statues are going to be all right. Yes. You read that correctly. The President is moving quickly and decisively "to protect our monuments, arrest the rioters, and prosecute offenders to the fullest extent of the law." As a matter of fact, he said with pride, "yesterday federal agents arrested the suspected ringleader of the attack on the statue of the great Andrew Jackson in Washington, D.C." www.cnn.com/2020/07/04/opinions/trump-mount-rushmore-speech-monuments-rhetoric-dantonio/?hpt=ob_blogfooteroldWhew! Thank god the statues will be OK, while people are dying by the thousands in America.
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Post by swamp on Jul 6, 2020 15:12:07 GMT -5
If we could find a way to give COVID to statues, maybe he'd care?
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Post by mollyc on Jul 6, 2020 16:59:37 GMT -5
People who do not have serious illness still could be quite ill and not need a hospital admission. They could also have a prolonged recovery, and who knows what the potential long term consequences of an infection are. Could it increase your risk of cancer? Dementia since it can affect the brain? Increase the risk of asthma, as other respiratory infections can? Disease has been around a little more than 6 months. Long term consequences are unknown. Another irresponsible statement. Who knows what may happen to people. Another reason to avoid infection Like I said, lots of questions. We (Canada) are doing lots of testing as well. We get 8% serious/critical and we are sitting about 10% deaths for resolved cases. Something is off. Can you find any data breakdown for the age groups re critical care & death? Maybe that's where the discrepancy lies. I know in BC, as of last Thursday, we had 2,935 positive cases in total. 524 cases had been hospitalized at some point, 182 of those had been in ICU and a total of 177 people had died. I believe we've had a few more deaths since then but the data isn't posted yet. To July 3/20, none of the 3 people under the age of 20 who had been hospitalized were ever admitted to ICU and none had died. Of the 28 hospitalized cases between 20-39 years old, 16 had been in ICU and none had died. In any case, the numbers start getting worse from there. Just a thought. The table I used was at the bottom of page 7 at the link. Summary July 2, 2020
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 6, 2020 17:43:26 GMT -5
The news is reporting the man holding the manila envelope in the left side of the picture and running away from the collapsing WTC tower died of the virus in March.
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Post by justme on Jul 6, 2020 18:24:31 GMT -5
Geeze, the ginger next to him looks SOOO much like my friend. He wasn't in NYC at the time, but he has relatives that live there and is Jewish. Makes you wonder.
Man....that is so freakishly uncanny how much it looks like him
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 7, 2020 11:00:37 GMT -5
Here is a story of a poor little girl who died as a result of her parents believing the crap DT spews about the virus. These people even have medical training! WTF?! flip.it/k_OubH
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Post by oped on Jul 7, 2020 11:02:39 GMT -5
USA is at 9% death rate for closed cases.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 7, 2020 11:12:25 GMT -5
Here is a story of a poor little girl who died as a result of her parents believing the crap DT spews about the virus. These people even have medical training! WTF?! flip.it/k_OubHThere are plenty of people with medical and science backgrounds that don't "believe" in vaccines either.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 7, 2020 11:17:24 GMT -5
Here is a story of a poor little girl who died as a result of her parents believing the crap DT spews about the virus. These people even have medical training! WTF?! flip.it/k_OubHThere are plenty of people with medical and science backgrounds that don't "believe" in vaccines either. I just don't understand that. I will admit to being one of the ones who didn't think it was that serious in the beginning. I figured it would be like H1N1 where we had to sanitize things a little more, but would otherwise come out ok. After this long and this many people dying, how could you not believe that this is in fact real and very serious?!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 7, 2020 11:26:10 GMT -5
USA is at 9% death rate for closed cases. that tells me that there are 1-10 untested positives for every tested positive.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 7, 2020 12:38:46 GMT -5
USA is at 9% death rate for closed cases. that tells me that there are 1-10 untested positives for every tested positive. I am having trouble following naysayers logic. First they say that Covid isn't that dangerous. And now they seem to be saying that they are double counting positive test results (with zero proof). But if the number of cases is really half of what is being reported and it isn't dangerous - who are all those people in the hospital? And why is the percentage of people who go into the hospital and/or die if it isn't that dangerous? Do they really believe that people are going into the ICU just to "get Trump"? Do they really believe that hospitals are turning away profitable elective surgeries to have a bunch of people in the Covid unit? And if Covid patients are so profitable, why are some hospitals shipping them off to other hospitals? Maybe someone can explain this in a way that maths doesn't contradict the series of arguments.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 7, 2020 12:52:04 GMT -5
that tells me that there are 1-10 untested positives for every tested positive. I am having trouble following naysayers logic. First they say that Covid isn't that dangerous. And now they seem to be saying that they are double counting positive test results (with zero proof). But if the number of cases is really half of what is being reported and it isn't dangerous - who are all those people in the hospital? And why is the percentage of people who go into the hospital and/or die if it isn't that dangerous? Do they really believe that people are going into the ICU just to "get Trump"? Do they really believe that hospitals are turning away profitable elective surgeries to have a bunch of people in the Covid unit? And if Covid patients are so profitable, why are some hospitals shipping them off to other hospitals? Maybe someone can explain this in a way that maths doesn't contradict the series of arguments. Yes
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 7, 2020 14:05:20 GMT -5
that tells me that there are 1-10 untested positives for every tested positive. I am having trouble following naysayers logic. First they say that Covid isn't that dangerous. And now they seem to be saying that they are double counting positive test results (with zero proof). But if the number of cases is really half of what is being reported and it isn't dangerous - who are all those people in the hospital? And why is the percentage of people who go into the hospital and/or die if it isn't that dangerous? Do they really believe that people are going into the ICU just to "get Trump"? Do they really believe that hospitals are turning away profitable elective surgeries to have a bunch of people in the Covid unit? And if Covid patients are so profitable, why are some hospitals shipping them off to other hospitals? Maybe someone can explain this in a way that maths doesn't contradict the series of arguments. the only way to explain such things is by viewing it the way a narcissist would. if you assume that Covid19 is some kind of conspiracy, then you have to keep making that conspiracy wider and wider up to and including the point that you catch the virus.
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Post by oped on Jul 7, 2020 14:52:04 GMT -5
that tells me that there are 1-10 untested positives for every tested positive. And now they seem to be saying that they are double counting positive test results (with zero proof). Soho have a source for that? Thanks!
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Post by Opti on Jul 7, 2020 18:41:49 GMT -5
that tells me that there are 1-10 untested positives for every tested positive. I am having trouble following naysayers logic. First they say that Covid isn't that dangerous. And now they seem to be saying that they are double counting positive test results (with zero proof). But if the number of cases is really half of what is being reported and it isn't dangerous - who are all those people in the hospital? And why is the percentage of people who go into the hospital and/or die if it isn't that dangerous? Do they really believe that people are going into the ICU just to "get Trump"? Do they really believe that hospitals are turning away profitable elective surgeries to have a bunch of people in the Covid unit? And if Covid patients are so profitable, why are some hospitals shipping them off to other hospitals? Maybe someone can explain this in a way that maths doesn't contradict the series of arguments. You need to look at it IMO with an emotional logic lens. They aren't thinking logically, they are thinking emotionally. And because of that, they do not even care if their 'logic' is provably false or not. Some of the purveyors of fantasy about the virus live in sparsely populated states like Montana. Things aren't bad there. So if your goal is to believe things aren't that bad and everything is always about getting rid of Trump, you are going to make up stories whether its about the virus or murder hornets. Emotionally, they feel the count must be too high, therefore up blossoms a story to cut that number in half. Scared about the hospitals being too crowded? Why? We have a story for that too to make you feel better. There's really not that many sick people, its just that evil people are pushing the stats up because … hospitals are getting paid federal money when you have Covid patients. Given this must mean Medicare money it is a very stupid logical argument but it feeds the emotional I hate government baggage peeps. So yes all those delayed surgeries are probably way more profitable than Medicare money for Covid patients who qualify, but admitting that exposes them to the scary reality this is bad. The 2018-2019 flu season was especially bad and resulted in 61,200 deaths from roughly November through April. We have been dealing with this since somewhere in January, roughly one month less than the most recent very bad flu season. We are already at twice the death toll and we will have more. That doesn't count the excess deaths that probably should be attributed to Covid. If you are an emotionally thinking conservative, this is very scary. Super scary when you realize you can't shoot the Covid virus and win.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2020 7:59:32 GMT -5
And now they seem to be saying that they are double counting positive test results (with zero proof). Soho have a source for that? Thanks! No - that's why I said no proof. It is "I heard that" and "my friend works at a hospital and she says" kind of bullshit. But it must be going around somewhere. The two I have heard repeated multiple times: - If you test positive, they ask you how many people live in your house and they report all of those people as positive - if you are hospitalized, they test you every day and report all of those as new cases If those are true, and we are actually catching all the positive cases, we would be overstating cases by 2-3x at least, which puts our death rate in the holy shit batman category.
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Post by swamp on Jul 8, 2020 9:26:27 GMT -5
and in the next breath, we are told that there are so many people who have had the virus, are asymptomatic, and were never tested, so the death rate is more like .01% instead of 5%.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 8, 2020 9:34:30 GMT -5
and in the next breath, we are told that there are so many people who have had the virus, are asymptomatic, and were never tested, so the death rate is more like .01% instead of 5%. Get out of here with your high falutin’ math. We don’t need that here
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2020 10:01:21 GMT -5
and in the next breath, we are told that there are so many people who have had the virus, are asymptomatic, and were never tested, so the death rate is more like .01% instead of 5%. Exactly. I try to get them to commit to one story, but only succeed in making myself look like a bitch. And an unAmerican, commie pinko liberal, or whatever they are calling us now.
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Post by dondub on Jul 8, 2020 10:36:20 GMT -5
and in the next breath, we are told that there are so many people who have had the virus, are asymptomatic, and were never tested, so the death rate is more like .01% instead of 5%. Exactly. I try to get them to commit to one story, but only succeed in making myself look like a bitch. And an unAmerican, commie pinko liberal, or whatever they are calling us now. I believe you are a radical leftist Marxist anarchist agitator that hates America and wants to destroy our heritage!😎
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2020 10:43:18 GMT -5
Exactly. I try to get them to commit to one story, but only succeed in making myself look like a bitch. And an unAmerican, commie pinko liberal, or whatever they are calling us now. I believe you are a radical leftist Marxist anarchist agitator that hates America and wants to destroy our heritage!😎 That's me!!
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2020 10:56:43 GMT -5
Mike Pence just said "Wear a mask"
Deborah Birx followed it up by saying something like 'I know you like to talk about what I wear, so this mask is from the Salt River Tribe. Masks can be a fashion statement.'
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Post by swamp on Jul 8, 2020 10:59:43 GMT -5
Mike Pence just said "Wear a mask" Deborah Birx followed it up by saying something like 'I know you like to talk about what I wear, so this mask is from the Salt River Tribe. Masks can be a fashion statement.' but the important question is: does it match her scarf? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 8, 2020 15:49:18 GMT -5
Here is a story of a poor little girl who died as a result of her parents believing the crap DT spews about the virus. These people even have medical training! WTF?! flip.it/k_OubHThose parents killed their child!
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Post by Bob Ross on Jul 8, 2020 15:59:00 GMT -5
Here is a story of a poor little girl who died as a result of her parents believing the crap DT spews about the virus. These people even have medical training! WTF?! flip.it/k_OubHThose parents killed their child! It really is a cult. They forgo their medical expertise if Dear Leader says otherwise. I never thought that up to 40% or our country was so cult-susceptible. What does that say about us going forward?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 8, 2020 16:25:31 GMT -5
Here is a story of a poor little girl who died as a result of her parents believing the crap DT spews about the virus. These people even have medical training! WTF?! flip.it/k_OubHThose parents killed their child! And, since the father is a PA, he cannot practice independently. So if he prescribed the medications himself, he did so illegally. If he used his supervising physician's authorization without approval, he could be in trouble. And if his supervising physician prescribed the medications without examining the child, he could also be in trouble. Multiple concerning questions. But, since it is Florida, I have little faith that any of those questions will be askd.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 8, 2020 16:47:29 GMT -5
Those parents killed their child! It really is a cult. They forgo their medical expertise if Dear Leader says otherwise. I never thought that up to 40% or our country was so cult-susceptible. What does that say about us going forward? Really? WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Forty percent of U.S. adults ascribe to a strictly creationist view of human origins, believing that God created them in their present form within roughly the past 10,000 years. news.gallup.com/poll/261680/americans-believe-creationism.aspx
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 8, 2020 16:51:16 GMT -5
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Post by dondub on Jul 8, 2020 16:59:14 GMT -5
During Obama’s presidency at least 25% of the Repo-Cons thought he was the anti-Christ!
It seems quite obvious there is a mental health crisis in America.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 8, 2020 17:43:59 GMT -5
something like 60% believe in a physical hell which is overseen by the fiery one.
we are approximately as fundamentalist as Iran- far less secular than any other Western nation- which corresponds directly to our low standing in international knowledge of scientific matters- and a reason why we are increasingly uncompetitive in science and technology.
we have been at a standstill on progress since the 50's.
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