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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 24, 2021 13:54:49 GMT -5
When you spend 50 years tearing down the "other side", are you surprised that the President can't join the nation with a common goal? Besides, nobody could convince states/cities/counties to lockdown for months on end. Lockdowns are the equivalent of abstinence for teens, sure they work, but good luck getting compliance! So it's not even worth talking about it. Can you tell me what goal trump had other than to ignore corona abs hope it goes away in its own? he is part of an anti government insurgency. so, his goal was to make the government look weak and ineffective.
I can't imagine him doing a better job of that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 24, 2021 13:59:43 GMT -5
it is so nihilistic and cynical that it is barely worth a rebuttal.
it is like saying that nobody could have done better than Lamar Odom. it literally makes no sense. and Trump is no Lamar Odom. he never showed that much promise, and he never had that much achievement. I can't think of an example, because Trump is the example. he is the poster child for how to not run things. he will be the brunt of jokes for a century. unless you live in the panhandle or something.
Barely worth a rebuttal, but you usually respond about 3x for every message that is posted..lol. glad you found it amusing, but this post was not directed to you. troll.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 24, 2021 14:10:04 GMT -5
it is so nihilistic and cynical that it is barely worth a rebuttal.
it is like saying that nobody could have done better than Lamar Odom. it literally makes no sense. and Trump is no Lamar Odom. he never showed that much promise, and he never had that much achievement. I can't think of an example, because Trump is the example. he is the poster child for how to not run things. he will be the brunt of jokes for a century. unless you live in the panhandle or something.
Barely worth a rebuttal, but you usually respond about 3x for every message that is posted..lol. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil (bull****) is for good men to do (say) nothing.” Gee, I think we may have found a reason for so many responses to your posts.
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Post by haapai on Feb 24, 2021 16:00:40 GMT -5
I did not think it would stay that low either as you may recall. However, occasionally I let myself ignore reality and dream.Still a forecast of half a million deaths is very different from the fact of that many deaths. I don't think 90k was ever realistic not even with HRC in charge. But it did not have to be this bad! if we had a national policy in place in March, we would have somewhere between 75k and 100k dead, ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE WENT ALONG WITH IT. I think it is reasonable to assume that they would, if we didn't have that basshole constantly saying that it was just the flu and a Democrat plot.
REMEMBER, 40% of the MISINFORMATION on the pandemic is traced directly to Trump. the balance was amplified by himself and others. without Trump we would have gotten on this much earlier.
then there was the DISASTROUS testing rollout. REMEMBER, China and the WHO offered to help us in JANUARY with testing. Trump said, to paraphrase, "fuck you", we will develop our own tests, and then fucked THAT up. and without testing, this thing got out there and made shitloads of people sick that didn't ever need to be sick. you control it when you have 1000 cases, and you wipe it out. you TRY to control it when you have 1M (like we did) and you are TOAST.
SK and NZ are models of how to handle this shit. SK followed the Chinese model, and NZ followed the SK model. both of them slayed it. if we were "exceptional", we would have, too.
but we had crappy leadership, and even crappier execution. and it killed 400k plus, and it is probably going to kill another 200-300k, because it is a raging bonfire rather than a controlled burn.
I am not letting Trump off the hook. he could have managed it, and saved half a million people. I won't call him genocidal. that would be too purposeful. but I will call him Chamberlain- a dude that played cutesie with a pandemic and lost big time.
Journalists and historians are going to be talking about our botched testing rollout for a long time and I am not at all confident that we will ever settle how much this epic failure was due to the former guy being in office. I'm not at all confident that our disasterous testing rollout was entirely due to politics. I loathe the man, but I think that we might just have made some of the same disastrous decisions under a different POTUS and it would have been hard for any POTUS to recover from the early screw-ups in testing.
I've thought about the testing disaster quite a bit and separated it into three separate policy failures. - We failed to ask the WHO for their test kits, resulting in the delay of our own testing program, including sentinel testing programs.
- We developed and distributed test kits that did not work, probably due to these kits being developed in a laboratory that also contained COVID-19 samples. We also were damn stingy regarding what samples could be tested, which left us blind to community spread.
- We blocked the development of private-company COVID-19 testing.
The degree to which each separate failure was due to politics may be argued over for a long time. It's possible that a journalist armed with a FOIA will get to the bottom of it soon. It's also possible that something in a deposition will answer it soon. Unfortunately, it is also possible that we'll be searching for answers in the self-serving memoirs of politicians for another decade or so.
I'm not entirely convinced that our initial decision to pass on (i.e. not ask for) the WHO's COVID-19 test had all that much to do with politics. We might have refused it because developing our own tests for new diseases was standard operating procedure. We don't know what the pandemic playbook recommended. We might have made the same call no matter who was in the White House. Sure, Trump was a nationalistic asshat that would never have asked for anything from China or the WHO, but it might not have been his decision.
Politics and prostrating oneself to the prez might have had a lot to do with how we screwed up the second time. We developed and distributed a flawed test which left us both blind and defensive. I don't know for certain if having a president that took the disease seriously would have prevented the CDC from screwing this up so badly. Maybe if the mention of COVID didn't send the POTUS into a stupid rage, the CDC would have assigned more money and lab space to the development of the test and wouldn't have done as bad a job as they did.
As for the third error, blocking private companies from developing and using their own tests, that was almost certainly about politics.
It's going to take years to figure out just how badly we shot ourselves in the foot in the first quarter of 2020 and how much was about politics, A huge amount of our eventual death toll is due to these early f----ups.
The fact that the president seems to have reacted to these early f----ups by doing everything possible to make things worse, is not something that I'm going to argue with you about. He did. My God, I though that the guy was trying to kill us all.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 24, 2021 16:12:54 GMT -5
The points above are reasonable and well thought out. However,
1 we had a president and administration that was dismissive of expertise and anything that didn’t fit their narrative 2 the culture at the cdc was undoubtedly worsening. How many talented scientists left as a result. More smart people working on this could have prevented this fiasco 3 Trump dismantled the pandemic response team. Again, how much expertise was lost
The failure happened on his watch. If this disaster happened under a democratic president, republicans would be howling and out for blood. I am in no mood to be charitable since the response to this has been so inept. A merely competent response would have saved tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, lives. That sits squarely at trumps feet. As Truman said “the buck stops here.” Trump owns this
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 24, 2021 16:21:30 GMT -5
Wasn't Trump having a tantrum and withdrawing us from WHO at the same time they offered tests? Also didn't he crow about bringing manufacturing back that we'd make our own stinkin tests cause 'Merica! Hoping to score political points with the people who believe China "terk our jerbs?"
Trump was absolutely about politics. HIS political future in particular. Trump made it clear anything that would damage his brand and election chances was to be ignored/squashed or lied about.
I cannot honestly say I could see any president that's been in my lifetime botching things as badly as Trump. It's not a Republican vs Democrat thing. We can't control when nature decides to bitch slap us but we're 100% responsible for having the biggest idiot on the planet in office when it happened.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 24, 2021 16:55:43 GMT -5
if we had a national policy in place in March, we would have somewhere between 75k and 100k dead, ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE WENT ALONG WITH IT. I think it is reasonable to assume that they would, if we didn't have that basshole constantly saying that it was just the flu and a Democrat plot.
REMEMBER, 40% of the MISINFORMATION on the pandemic is traced directly to Trump. the balance was amplified by himself and others. without Trump we would have gotten on this much earlier.
then there was the DISASTROUS testing rollout. REMEMBER, China and the WHO offered to help us in JANUARY with testing. Trump said, to paraphrase, "fuck you", we will develop our own tests, and then fucked THAT up. and without testing, this thing got out there and made shitloads of people sick that didn't ever need to be sick. you control it when you have 1000 cases, and you wipe it out. you TRY to control it when you have 1M (like we did) and you are TOAST.
SK and NZ are models of how to handle this shit. SK followed the Chinese model, and NZ followed the SK model. both of them slayed it. if we were "exceptional", we would have, too.
but we had crappy leadership, and even crappier execution. and it killed 400k plus, and it is probably going to kill another 200-300k, because it is a raging bonfire rather than a controlled burn.
I am not letting Trump off the hook. he could have managed it, and saved half a million people. I won't call him genocidal. that would be too purposeful. but I will call him Chamberlain- a dude that played cutesie with a pandemic and lost big time.
Journalists and historians are going to be talking about our botched testing rollout for a long time and I am not at all confident that we will ever settle how much this epic failure was due to the former guy being in office. I'm not at all confident that our disasterous testing rollout was entirely due to politics. I loathe the man, but I think that we might just have made some of the same disastrous decisions under a different POTUS and it would have been hard for any POTUS to recover from the early screw-ups in testing.
I've thought about the testing disaster quite a bit and separated it into three separate policy failures. - We failed to ask the WHO for their test kits, resulting in the delay of our own testing program, including sentinel testing programs.
- We developed and distributed test kits that did not work, probably due to these kits being developed in a laboratory that also contained COVID-19 samples. We also were damn stingy regarding what samples could be tested, which left us blind to community spread.
- We blocked the development of private-company COVID-19 testing.
The degree to which each separate failure was due to politics may be argued over for a long time. It's possible that a journalist armed with a FOIA will get to the bottom of it soon. It's also possible that something in a deposition will answer it soon. Unfortunately, it is also possible that we'll be searching for answers in the self-serving memoirs of politicians for another decade or so.
I'm not entirely convinced that our initial decision to pass on (i.e. not ask for) the WHO's COVID-19 test had all that much to do with politics. We might have refused it because developing our own tests for new diseases was standard operating procedure. We don't know what the pandemic playbook recommended. We might have made the same call no matter who was in the White House. Sure, Trump was a nationalistic asshat that would never have asked for anything from China or the WHO, but it might not have been his decision.
Politics and prostrating oneself to the prez might have had a lot to do with how we screwed up the second time. We developed and distributed a flawed test which left us both blind and defensive. I don't know for certain if having a president that took the disease seriously would have prevented the CDC from screwing this us so badly. Maybe if the mention of COVID didn't send the POTUS into a stupid rage, the CDC would have assigned more money and lab space to the development of the test and wouldn't have done as bad a job as they did.
As for the third error, blocking private companies from developing and using their own tests, that was almost certainly about politics.
It's going to take years to figure out just how badly we shot ourselves in the foot in the first quarter of 2020 and how much was about politics, A huge amount of our eventual death toll is due to these early f----ups.
The fact that the president seems to have reacted to these early f----ups by doing everything possible to make things worse, is not something that I'm going to argue with you about. He did. My God, I though that the guy was trying to kill us all.
Let's take this bit by bit. The Trump administration shut down the Office of Emerging Infectious Diseases - which had a large contingent in China (most likely source) in early fall of 2019. Had this office not been shut down, we would have had a local source to determine exactly how big of a problem that COVID was. Instead, we were dependent upon the Chinese being honest. Really? China being honest? Remember, Trump was buds with them then. The WHO offered everyone in the world their test kits. At the time, Trump was talking strongly about removing WHO funding by the US. So accepting their kits meant that the US would have to backpedal. This was a move ENTIRELY because of the optics of how Trump felt about the WHO. The US kit was a dismal rollout because people who shouldn't made a disastrous mistake. EVERYTHING this country did was based on Trump's assertion that COVID would go away, that it was a Chinese virus, that this wasn't a problem. All of this flowed downhill to his administration and how it was dealt with. If we don't test, we don't have a problem, right? So there was pushback about testing and people that should have been tested were not. If you consider that early in the pandemic, there was a group at University of WA who had started a flu study early that fall. They had sample swabs left from the clinical samples that they took from September up until the epidemic hit. The lab offered to go back to their samples to find out exactly when the virus came into the US in the PNW. The FDA shut that down quickly (even though they had discovered in testing in advance of this that a few had contained COVID). As the lab was dependent upon federal funding (like many university labs are), they had to comply. Therefore there was no way of determining the full extent of the infection in the US. The Pandemic playbook is a matter of public record now. Read it. It gives a blue print of what needs to be done during a pandemic by the various branches of government. assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdfDon't even let me go on how the office of the president tried to jack around the the data coming out of the CDC and the MMWR. That was ALL politics in an attempt to minimize the extent.
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Post by Opti on Feb 24, 2021 17:04:50 GMT -5
Here's a prediction - we are going to get increasing numbers of people with Covid who have had the vaccine because they don't understand the vaccine does not mean 100% protected. I hear more and more people say they are "clean" because they have had the vaccine and they don't seem to get 94 to 95% effective is not 100% effective nor were most vaccines developed to prevent the disease entirely.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 24, 2021 17:39:33 GMT -5
Here's a prediction - we are going to get increasing numbers of people with Covid who have had the vaccine because they don't understand the vaccine does not mean 100% protected. I hear more and more people say they are "clean" because they have had the vaccine and they don't seem to get 94 to 95% effective is not 100% effective nor were most vaccines developed to prevent the disease entirely. Sigh. Reducing the possibility of death or disability is enough to make a lot of people return to a normal life. At some point, we have to accept the risk level and go back to our lives. I stayed home all year to protect myself, my family and total strangers. But, once I am vaccinated, I will risk myself, my family and total strangers because that is just life.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 24, 2021 19:01:49 GMT -5
Here's a prediction - we are going to get increasing numbers of people with Covid who have had the vaccine because they don't understand the vaccine does not mean 100% protected. I hear more and more people say they are "clean" because they have had the vaccine and they don't seem to get 94 to 95% effective is not 100% effective nor were most vaccines developed to prevent the disease entirely. Sigh. Not much different than the flu. The end point of the vaccine was not total protection from disease, but a decrease in hospitalization and death. These are very different bars to to leap.
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Post by justme on Feb 24, 2021 20:46:49 GMT -5
Journalists and historians are going to be talking about our botched testing rollout for a long time and I am not at all confident that we will ever settle how much this epic failure was due to the former guy being in office. I'm not at all confident that our disasterous testing rollout was entirely due to politics. I loathe the man, but I think that we might just have made some of the same disastrous decisions under a different POTUS and it would have been hard for any POTUS to recover from the early screw-ups in testing.
I've thought about the testing disaster quite a bit and separated it into three separate policy failures. - We failed to ask the WHO for their test kits, resulting in the delay of our own testing program, including sentinel testing programs.
- We developed and distributed test kits that did not work, probably due to these kits being developed in a laboratory that also contained COVID-19 samples. We also were damn stingy regarding what samples could be tested, which left us blind to community spread.
- We blocked the development of private-company COVID-19 testing.
The degree to which each separate failure was due to politics may be argued over for a long time. It's possible that a journalist armed with a FOIA will get to the bottom of it soon. It's also possible that something in a deposition will answer it soon. Unfortunately, it is also possible that we'll be searching for answers in the self-serving memoirs of politicians for another decade or so.
I'm not entirely convinced that our initial decision to pass on (i.e. not ask for) the WHO's COVID-19 test had all that much to do with politics. We might have refused it because developing our own tests for new diseases was standard operating procedure. We don't know what the pandemic playbook recommended. We might have made the same call no matter who was in the White House. Sure, Trump was a nationalistic asshat that would never have asked for anything from China or the WHO, but it might not have been his decision.
Politics and prostrating oneself to the prez might have had a lot to do with how we screwed up the second time. We developed and distributed a flawed test which left us both blind and defensive. I don't know for certain if having a president that took the disease seriously would have prevented the CDC from screwing this us so badly. Maybe if the mention of COVID didn't send the POTUS into a stupid rage, the CDC would have assigned more money and lab space to the development of the test and wouldn't have done as bad a job as they did.
As for the third error, blocking private companies from developing and using their own tests, that was almost certainly about politics.
It's going to take years to figure out just how badly we shot ourselves in the foot in the first quarter of 2020 and how much was about politics, A huge amount of our eventual death toll is due to these early f----ups.
The fact that the president seems to have reacted to these early f----ups by doing everything possible to make things worse, is not something that I'm going to argue with you about. He did. My God, I though that the guy was trying to kill us all.
Let's take this bit by bit. The Trump administration shut down the Office of Emerging Infectious Diseases - which had a large contingent in China (most likely source) in early fall of 2019. Had this office not been shut down, we would have had a local source to determine exactly how big of a problem that COVID was. Instead, we were dependent upon the Chinese being honest. Really? China being honest? Remember, Trump was buds with them then. The WHO offered everyone in the world their test kits. At the time, Trump was talking strongly about removing WHO funding by the US. So accepting their kits meant that the US would have to backpedal. This was a move ENTIRELY because of the optics of how Trump felt about the WHO. The US kit was a dismal rollout because people who shouldn't made a disastrous mistake. EVERYTHING this country did was based on Trump's assertion that COVID would go away, that it was a Chinese virus, that this wasn't a problem. All of this flowed downhill to his administration and how it was dealt with. If we don't test, we don't have a problem, right? So there was pushback about testing and people that should have been tested were not. If you consider that early in the pandemic, there was a group at University of WA who had started a flu study early that fall. They had sample swabs left from the clinical samples that they took from September up until the epidemic hit. The lab offered to go back to their samples to find out exactly when the virus came into the US in the PNW. The FDA shut that down quickly (even though they had discovered in testing in advance of this that a few had contained COVID). As the lab was dependent upon federal funding (like many university labs are), they had to comply. Therefore there was no way of determining the full extent of the infection in the US. The Pandemic playbook is a matter of public record now. Read it. It gives a blue print of what needs to be done during a pandemic by the various branches of government. assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdfDon't even let me go on how the office of the president tried to jack around the the data coming out of the CDC and the MMWR. That was ALL politics in an attempt to minimize the extent. Is there a short answer why China was the most likely source of a pandemic? I've seen that a few times but don't recall seeing why.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 24, 2021 21:00:03 GMT -5
Is there a short answer why China was the most likely source of a pandemic? I've seen that a few times but don't recall seeing why. This explains it best why China is a concern. There are several areas in the world, but this is a major one. The other major reason is that there is less than honest reporting out of China and they tend not to give out info until they absolutely must. Early during COVID, there were several physicians silenced because they were trying to warn the government and world. journals.lww.com/co-infectiousdiseases/Abstract/2006/10000/Infectious_diseases_emerging_from_Chinese.2.aspx
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Post by Opti on Feb 24, 2021 21:18:28 GMT -5
Here's a prediction - we are going to get increasing numbers of people with Covid who have had the vaccine because they don't understand the vaccine does not mean 100% protected. I hear more and more people say they are "clean" because they have had the vaccine and they don't seem to get 94 to 95% effective is not 100% effective nor were most vaccines developed to prevent the disease entirely. Sigh. Not much different than the flu. The end point of the vaccine was not total protection from disease, but a decrease in hospitalization and death. These are very different bars to to leap. I understand the intention, but many folks don't seem to. Family members who are vaccinated do not seem to understand, nor want to, why assisted living facilities and nursing homes aren't just going to throw the doors open for them to visit. This is not the flu. Its still too early to know long term effects and I have no idea if there's been much study of even mild Covid's effects on people with significant medical issues. At work its common to have patients in house going to dialysis regularly, with COPD. SOB, and other issues. I'm wondering how it would affect those people who have to regularly go for procedures to drain fluid from their bodies just to stay alive. Some family members remind me of Trump. Not even as reasonable as Meghan McCain assuming its Fauci's understanding of science is the issue instead of her. Those people who seem to be perpetually mad with no patience.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 24, 2021 21:53:31 GMT -5
Wasn't Trump having a tantrum and withdrawing us from WHO at the same time they offered tests? Also didn't he crow about bringing manufacturing back that we'd make our own stinkin tests cause 'Merica! Hoping to score political points with the people who believe China "terk our jerbs?" Trump was absolutely about politics. HIS political future in particular. Trump made it clear anything that would damage his brand and election chances was to be ignored/squashed or lied about. I cannot honestly say I could see any president that's been in my lifetime botching things as badly as Trump. It's not a Republican vs Democrat thing. We can't control when nature decides to bitch slap us but we're 100% responsible for having the biggest idiot on the planet in office when it happened. yes.
the whole premise of American Exceptionalism is "we know better".
really, now? we know better than a country that just dealt with this pandemic and an organization that spends half their time dealing with pandemics? I call bullshit on that.
Trump thinks he knows everything, and everyone else is stupid. but in the end, he takes the blood transfusion and steroids rather than bleach and HCQ. in other words, he conveys authority, but when his OWN ass is on the line, he defers to the experts.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 24, 2021 21:59:10 GMT -5
it is tempting to let people off the hook. after all, if you do that, it settles the argument, so long as everyone else agrees to do it. it is the lazy way out of a debate.
but I, for one, am not going to do that.
Bush is ultimately responsible for the death of 60k CHILDREN in Iraq. that is on him. that is mass negligent homicide at best.
Trump is ultimately responsible for any US death count from the CV19 beyond the 60k that was projected a year ago. that is on him. that is mass negligence and endangerment at best.
the Trump folks and Bush folks are just going to have to deal with that, because there is absolutely nothing you can say to me or anyone living in the fact based universe that absolves them.
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Post by dondub on Feb 24, 2021 22:58:48 GMT -5
it is tempting to let people off the hook. after all, if you do that, it settles the argument, so long as everyone else agrees to do it. it is the lazy way out of a debate. but I, for one, am not going to do that. Bush is ultimately responsible for the death of 60k CHILDREN in Iraq. that is on him. that is mass negligent homicide at best. Trump is ultimately responsible for any US death count from the CV19 beyond the 60k that was projected a year ago. that is on him. that is mass negligence and endangerment at best. the Trump folks and Bush folks are just going to have to deal with that, because there is absolutely nothing you can say to me or anyone living in the fact based universe that absolves them. Pro-Life supported Bush so you’re wrong!😎 they died for the just cause o imparting Christian American exceptionalism on them. God I miss Ch**sy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 24, 2021 23:42:26 GMT -5
it is tempting to let people off the hook. after all, if you do that, it settles the argument, so long as everyone else agrees to do it. it is the lazy way out of a debate. but I, for one, am not going to do that. Bush is ultimately responsible for the death of 60k CHILDREN in Iraq. that is on him. that is mass negligent homicide at best. Trump is ultimately responsible for any US death count from the CV19 beyond the 60k that was projected a year ago. that is on him. that is mass negligence and endangerment at best. the Trump folks and Bush folks are just going to have to deal with that, because there is absolutely nothing you can say to me or anyone living in the fact based universe that absolves them. Pro-Life supported Bush so you’re wrong!😎 they died for the just cause o imparting Christian American exceptionalism on them. God I miss Ch**sy. yes. nobody can deliver Bushisms with the force of that expat.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 26, 2021 15:20:00 GMT -5
Can you say "Superspreader event" boys and girls? Is it illegal to lock them all together for 2 weeks and hope they take themselves out? The only thing that prevents me from saying go ahead and be stupid is they sadly their stupidity is contagious and will take others who perhaps don't share their views down with them. Even with both of us wearing a mask I still got it from my coworker.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2021 15:40:31 GMT -5
Here's a prediction - we are going to get increasing numbers of people with Covid who have had the vaccine because they don't understand the vaccine does not mean 100% protected. I hear more and more people say they are "clean" because they have had the vaccine and they don't seem to get 94 to 95% effective is not 100% effective nor were most vaccines developed to prevent the disease entirely. Sigh. the vaccine should reduce the number of cases by the proportion of the US that gets the vaccine. right now, that is around 10%, I think.
but the best benefit will be that we are going after the most vulnerable first, so the death rates should fall precipitously. if it is 70% effective, on average, we should see our daily case rates fall by about that amount over the coming weeks, which would get us back into the triple digits.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2021 15:42:28 GMT -5
is he actually mocking virtue here?
what the actual hell?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 26, 2021 16:01:22 GMT -5
Might as well kill off more conservatives. Maybe the National IQ will increase some.
I am tired of this nonsense. All those conservatives who. Complain about how they are perceived, will this is a prime example of why you are. A year and 560k dead into this pandemic, and they still spew nonsense. And the are your so called leaders
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 26, 2022 18:35:51 GMT -5
we hardly talk about this anymore.... US passed the 1,000,000 covid deaths sometime this week - maybe last week? No one is counting anymore www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 26, 2022 18:55:32 GMT -5
We had over 1 million excess deaths sometime last month.
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Post by Opti on Mar 26, 2022 19:07:06 GMT -5
we hardly talk about this anymore.... US passed the 1,000,000 covid deaths sometime this week - maybe last week? No one is counting anymore www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/Tiny brought it up on another thread as did I think another poster.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2022 22:15:47 GMT -5
the NYT is still reporting under 1M. if you are going by excess deaths, we passed it months ago: www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-trackernote: Russia did, too. note: the countries that have NEGATIVE excess deaths are those that really won this war: Monaco, Lichtenstein, Iceland, Dominican Republic, Cuba, New Zealand, Taiwan, Australia. what this means is that their health and safety measures saved lives BEYOND the seasonal flu.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2022 22:24:22 GMT -5
it is time to REGRADE the countries. the USA did better in the subsequent waves of the virus, due to the vaccine. so, we managed to stay out of the F category (500-1000 excess deaths per 100k)
Russia, Peru = F Mexico, South Africa, US, Brazil, Italy, Spain = D Portugal, UK, France, Sweden = C Israel, Malta, Finland, Denmark = B Canada, Norway, Japan, S Korea = A Countries in post 415 get an A+
if we had done as well as Canada, we would have saved 950k lives.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 26, 2022 22:43:46 GMT -5
sometime between May and November of 2020, i predicted that if we did everything wrong, we would have 1M dead. i think it was closer to May than November, because i remember the exact moment it happened. i was arguing with Old Coyote who was arguing that it would blow over before we hit 100k. that was May 24th.
for the record, i was being sassy. i was frustrated by how cavalier he was being. in retrospect, even my cynical ploy was optimistic.
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