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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 10:22:00 GMT -5
I want Trump asking as many questions and looking into as many things as humanly possible. The biggest problem with him is that he assumes he knows answers to things without doing any investigating. And then proclaims things as facts which are objectively false. The more he acknowledges he needs to look into things and question things, the better off the country will be. Frankly I'm surprised people would rather that he simply rely on his "knowledge" of what he thinks he knows. He does like to randomly run his mouth. In this case he did actually turn and ask as a question. I watched it live as it happened during the briefing, and don't see where people get that he was suggesting to do this. I've seen plenty of physics impossibility suggested right here, during other discussions, that I just file under that it's not their background of education. I've seen people ask if dividing cells are alive, in other discussions. So easy to criticize, but nobody knows everthing.
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 26, 2020 10:30:55 GMT -5
I want Trump asking as many questions and looking into as many things as humanly possible. The biggest problem with him is that he assumes he knows answers to things without doing any investigating. And then proclaims things as facts which are objectively false. The more he acknowledges he needs to look into things and question things, the better off the country will be. Frankly I'm surprised people would rather that he simply rely on his "knowledge" of what he thinks he knows. He does like to randomly run his mouth. In this case he did actually turn and ask as a question. I watched it live as it happened during the briefing, and don't see where people get that he was suggesting to do this. I've seen plenty of physics impossibility suggested right here, during other discussions, that I just file under that it's not their background of education. I've seen people ask if dividing cells are alive, in other discussions. So easy to criticize, but nobody knows everthing. It only happens because someone is on the opposite side politically (on both sides). Politically it doesn't matter what you actually say, it only matters what someone can tell people you said, or pretend you said, or rearrange the words you said to make them mean something else. Reasonable individuals hold people responsible for the things they say. Zealots with an axe to grind against someone will never be happy with what someone says because they can always find a way to change the words around to a completely different meaning. I'm sure there's some idiot somewhere who saw Trump say "stand 6 feet apart" and decided that he was saying you need to jump off a cliff if someone walking toward you and leaves you less than 6 feet. On the flip side/Democrats, there's always some Republican saying "this person wants to take your guns away and rob you of your rights" anytime someone says "we should put controls around assault weapons".
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 26, 2020 10:33:06 GMT -5
It certainly would be nice if every politician said only the things I want them to say at the time and place I deem they should say it. But they do say other things. We need to call them on it when they do say inappropriate things at inappropriate times. And they need to own it when we do. Also if one of them does it enough or can't accept us calling them on it, we shouldn't elect them to a new term in office.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 26, 2020 10:42:11 GMT -5
I want Trump asking as many questions and looking into as many things as humanly possible. The biggest problem with him is that he assumes he knows answers to things without doing any investigating. And then proclaims things as facts which are objectively false. The more he acknowledges he needs to look into things and question things, the better off the country will be. Frankly I'm surprised people would rather that he simply rely on his "knowledge" of what he thinks he knows. He does like to randomly run his mouth. In this case he did actually turn and ask as a question.
I watched it live as it happened during the briefing, and don't see where people get that he was suggesting to do this. I've seen plenty of physics impossibility suggested right here, during other discussions, that I just file under that it's not their background of education. I've seen people ask if dividing cells are alive, in other discussions. So easy to criticize, but nobody knows everthing. "I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen," Trump told reporters at an Oval Office bill signing Yes, he turned away from the reporters and asked a question.
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 26, 2020 10:45:38 GMT -5
It certainly would be nice if every politician said only the things I want them to say at the time and place I deem they should say it. But they do say other things. We need to call them on it when they do say inappropriate things at inappropriate times. And they need to own it when we do. Also if one of them does it enough or can't accept us calling them on it, we shouldn't elect them to a new term in office. Actually I think a big part of the problem in these kinds of cases is that Trump says so much that's dumb...that anytime he talks people just say "oh he said something dumb, look" even when he doesn't. And then those people look less and less reliable. It's the most likely way he's going to get re-elected. People opposing him make themselves look bad, and further the idea he's not as bad as he seems it's just people making things up. It's the idea that when everything is a bid deal, nothing is really a big deal. When you have to go to "He said something bad", "Well I mean it wasn't really bad, but someone could change it around to make it bad if they were really stupid", "Well ok it wasn't bad but he shouldn't have said it THERE and THEN". The further you get away from what actually happened and the criticism remains, the less reliable future criticism is. I actually think this board is a good example. There are a number of posters on this board (and the political board) who have posted things that aren't true as the thread title enough that anytime I see their thread my first thought "I wonder what actually happened" because it's almost never been the thing they titled the thread. And there are some folks who anytime I've seen their title, it ends up being super accurate. It's never a good spot to be in when people have to say "I wonder what actually happened that they skewed to make this thing up". Worse, when it happens with the topic of someone who you know is a bad person...it actually starts to make that person seem more reasonable because you become conditioned to the idea that people are lying about how bad they are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 10:51:23 GMT -5
He does like to randomly run his mouth. In this case he did actually turn and ask as a question.
I watched it live as it happened during the briefing, and don't see where people get that he was suggesting to do this. I've seen plenty of physics impossibility suggested right here, during other discussions, that I just file under that it's not their background of education. I've seen people ask if dividing cells are alive, in other discussions. So easy to criticize, but nobody knows everthing. "I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen," Trump told reporters at an Oval Office bill signing Yes, he turned away from the reporters and asked a question. That's what happened live in the video. How he spins it later is his own business. Like your adding to the story now. Maybe he's just like the people who claim the high ground over here.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 26, 2020 10:53:18 GMT -5
But they do say other things. We need to call them on it when they do say inappropriate things at inappropriate times. And they need to own it when we do. Also if one of them does it enough or can't accept us calling them on it, we shouldn't elect them to a new term in office. Actually I think a big part of the problem in these kinds of cases is that Trump says so much that's dumb...that anytime he talks people just say "oh he said something dumb, look" even when he doesn't. And then those people look less and less reliable. It's the most likely way he's going to get re-elected. People opposing him make themselves look bad, and further the idea he's not as bad as he seems it's just people making things up. It's the idea that when everything is a bid deal, nothing is really a big deal. When you have to go to "He said something bad", "Well I mean it wasn't really bad, but someone could change it around to make it bad if they were really stupid", "Well ok it wasn't bad but he shouldn't have said it THERE and THEN". The further you get away from what actually happened and the criticism remains, the less reliable future criticism is. I actually think this board is a good example. There are a number of posters on this board (and the political board) who have posted things that aren't true as the thread title enough that anytime I see their thread my first thought "I wonder what actually happened" because it's almost never been the thing they titled the thread. And there are some folks who anytime I've seen their title, it ends up being super accurate. It's never a good spot to be in when people have to say "I wonder what actually happened that they skewed to make this thing up". Worse, when it happens with the topic of someone who you know is a bad person...it actually starts to make that person seem more reasonable because you become conditioned to the idea that people are lying about how bad they are. Another thing that drives me crazy is when there is the speculation of what he might do. He does enough without ripping on him for maybes.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 26, 2020 10:56:08 GMT -5
"I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen," Trump told reporters at an Oval Office bill signing Yes, he turned away from the reporters and asked a question. That's what happened live in the video. How he spins it later is his own business.
Maybe he's just like the people who claim the high ground over here. I think that how the President of the United States spins things is our business.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 10:56:59 GMT -5
For me it's when he tweets about something he might do, and it is taken as policy that he is going to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 11:01:13 GMT -5
That's what happened live in the video. How he spins it later is his own business.
Maybe he's just like the people who claim the high ground over here. I think that how the President of the United States spins things is our business. That would defacto put a reporter, into a higher position than his own. He doesn't answer to them. If he wishes to defer them with similar nonsense, it seems right.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 26, 2020 11:21:12 GMT -5
I think that how the President of the United States spins things is our business. That would defacto put a reporter, into a higher position than his own. He doesn't answer to them. If he wishes to defer them with similar nonsense, it seems right. "Our" is American citizens and we are in a higher position than President Trump.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 26, 2020 11:43:52 GMT -5
I think that how the President of the United States spins things is our business. That would defacto put a reporter, into a higher position than his own. He doesn't answer to them. If he wishes to defer them with similar nonsense, it seems right. He answers to us. Since “we” can’t ask him questions, reporters do so in our place. All other presidents were able to take questions without insulting them. Why can’t he?
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Post by laterbloomer on Apr 26, 2020 12:01:27 GMT -5
I'm sure there's some idiot somewhere who saw Trump say "stand 6 feet apart" and decided that he was saying you need to jump off a cliff if someone walking toward you and leaves you less than 6 feet. No there's not. This is the problem with people that defend Trump. They make up shit out of thin air to do it.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 26, 2020 13:19:48 GMT -5
For me it's when he tweets about something he might do, and it is taken as policy that he is going to do it. A tweet of "I am thinking about killing myself" is something that should get a reaction. Sometimes you don't want to wait until there is follow through. I do agree that sometimes there is an overreaction.
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Post by teen persuasion on Apr 26, 2020 13:21:42 GMT -5
It certainly would be nice if every politician said only the things I want them to say at the time and place I deem they should say it. But they do say other things. We need to call them on it when they do say inappropriate things at inappropriate times. And they need to own it when we do. Also if one of them does it enough or can't accept us calling them on it, we shouldn't elect them to a new term in office. Watching the videos of exactly what Trump said and his later deflection that he was being sarcastic, I was not surprised Trump said something stupid. He does that, often. I was not surprised he could not admit that it WAS stupid, he's never admitted making a mistake. I'm not surprised he tried to pass the blame off on someone else (reporters), because he always needs a scapegoat. I WAS surprised that NO ONE called him on it right then and there. He was obviously thinking out loud, following an idea provoked by an expert's report, and he kept looking back to the line of experts as he slowly articulated his half developed idea. He was looking for some cue, some guidance from them (an unusual occurrence for Trump, it seems) and they sat silent. No one responded to explain WHY it wasn't a viable option, or where he'd gone wrong (disinfectant is for killing viruses on things, not in people, the part Trump had failed to grasp). THIS is the big problem - Trump has made it abundantly clear that they must not ever contradict him, or they are out. So the experts had to stay silent rather than abandon be forced out of their posts. The experts can't freely speak the truth which they were hired for, for fear of the displeasure of Trump.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 26, 2020 13:41:01 GMT -5
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Was just informed that the Fake News from the Thursday White House Press Conference had me speaking & asking questions of Dr. Deborah Birx. Wrong, I was speaking to our Laboratory expert, not Deborah, about sunlight etc. & the CoronaVirus. The Lamestream Media is corrupt & sick!
Wait! I thought he said he was addressing reporters. Changing his story yet again. -----------------
Reporter, April 24: Can you clarify your comments about injections of disinfectant?
Trump: No, I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you, just to see what would happen.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 26, 2020 14:30:46 GMT -5
I am politically and religiously very different from W, but every time he got lost and tripped through his statements and everyone would go crazy, i would sheepishly defend him because i do that all the time. I would hope the president is smarter and more poised than I am, but I get it. I never thought that was a good reason to believe he didn't listen to his advisors.
Trump says stupid stuff because he isn't smart enough to know any better. He is not listening to experts.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 26, 2020 14:38:20 GMT -5
He's having a tweet storm today
About the "Noble" prize--his spelling
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Post by teen persuasion on Apr 26, 2020 15:58:48 GMT -5
He's having a tweet storm today About the "Noble" prize--his spelling He's talking about "reporters" (his quotes). So he really means the Pulitzer prize. Can we just give him a "Noble" door prize, and pat him on the head as we walk him out the door, so he can stop obsessing over Obama getting a prize instead of him? He's so confused, he won't know the difference, right?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 26, 2020 16:29:57 GMT -5
He's having a tweet storm today About the "Noble" prize--his spelling How Nobel of him.
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 26, 2020 20:25:51 GMT -5
I'm guessing people arguing this haven't seen the video or read the transcript...because what was actually said is a total nothing.
"So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."
He didn't say inject disinfectant, he didn't even say they're GOING to check on that, he said it would be interesting if there is "a way you do something LIKE THAT by injection".
Trump says so much to legitimately get upset or offended by...people just making things up in order to find offense don't do anything but show other people they aren't even interested in the truth or common sense. It's not a good enough argument that "neither is Trump". All that does is make your ignorance level equal to his...which i can't imagine is what anyone thinks is a compliment.
That's the other piece that always KIND OF surprises me. People think Trump is an idiot...and rightly so. And then they get caught doing something dumb and the response is "but Trump does that". Congratulations, you're as smart as Trump is. Maybe that's my new insult "You've got the same intelligence level as the President".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 20:40:32 GMT -5
They also announced a press conference for tomorrow. I guess his ego can't live without them...
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Post by hoops902 on Apr 27, 2020 8:23:05 GMT -5
They also announced a press conference for tomorrow. I guess his ego can't live without them... Clearly, it's not as if daily press conferences are a regular occurrence these days at multiple levels of government.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 27, 2020 9:02:08 GMT -5
And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning.
The topic of this sentence Is disinfectant. It talks about how it is currently used. Then it talks about how it might be used.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 9:12:13 GMT -5
That would defacto put a reporter, into a higher position than his own. He doesn't answer to them. If he wishes to defer them with similar nonsense, it seems right. "Our" is American citizens and we are in a higher position than President Trump. Until it includes the machinations of for profit media companies. Then Trumps rights supersede a requirement to answer.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 27, 2020 9:25:32 GMT -5
"Our" is American citizens and we are in a higher position than President Trump. Until it includes the machinations of for profit media companies. Then Trumps rights supersede a requirement to answer. He has the right to remain silent. However, anything he does say can and will be used for and against him in the court of public opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 9:35:36 GMT -5
Until it includes the machinations of for profit media companies. Then Trumps rights supersede a requirement to answer. He has the right to remain silent. However, anything he does say can and will be used for and against him in the court of public opinion. Same for reporters toeing the companies line, as directed by management. As sometimes the intended victim will point out, in a very public venue.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 27, 2020 9:43:25 GMT -5
He has the right to remain silent. However, anything he does say can and will be used for and against him in the court of public opinion. Same for reporters toeing the companies line, as directed by management. We need to take that into account as well. Both what they do and President Trump's spin are our business.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 9:46:03 GMT -5
I've always noted that take on media companies.
Their carefully crafted position that they somehow are representatives of the general populace.
You are required to answer to them.
They don't represent my interests, nor does anyone have a requirement to answer to them.
They are 'for profit' business.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Apr 27, 2020 9:48:47 GMT -5
I know I'm getting spin on opinion pieces, but when I see and hear it from his mouth it's not fake media. He can deny or spin it all he wants later. Just makes him look like the unqualified POtuS he is.
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