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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2020 17:45:10 GMT -5
this might seems strange, but the predictability of this is making me LESS anxious.
I am now pretty confident we will have at least 200k dead prior to the end of summer, and at least 5M infected. that will force the lockdown of half the nation (or the killing of up to a million US citizens). we won't have a massively produced vaccine by then. and therefore, we are going to need at least 1B doses worldwide.
because we failed to suppress this virus EARLY (and let's be perfectly clear, that was a massive global health failure, lead by the US and a few other countries), we won't kill it when we are able quickly, either, and it will kill many of us, in the mean time.
the simple math and logic of this is pretty clear, now. and yeah, I guess I should be more scared than I am......
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 17:48:28 GMT -5
this might seems strange, but the predictability of this is making me LESS anxious. I am now pretty confident we will have at least 200k dead prior to the end of summer, and at least 5M infected. that will force the lockdown of half the nation (or the killing of up to a million US citizens). we won't have a massively produced vaccine by then. and therefore, we are going to need at least 1B doses worldwide. because we failed to suppress this virus EARLY (and let's be perfectly clear, that was a massive global health failure, lead by the US and a few other countries), we won't kill it when we are able quickly, either, and it will kill many of us, in the mean time. the simple math and logic of this is pretty clear, now. and yeah, I guess I should be more scared than I am...... I see what you are saying. Professionally, I am there too. I understand it more, and can deal with it. I still struggle at a personal level at times. I do not want to get it, and I only have so much control because of idiots
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2020 18:03:09 GMT -5
this might seems strange, but the predictability of this is making me LESS anxious. I am now pretty confident we will have at least 200k dead prior to the end of summer, and at least 5M infected. that will force the lockdown of half the nation (or the killing of up to a million US citizens). we won't have a massively produced vaccine by then. and therefore, we are going to need at least 1B doses worldwide. because we failed to suppress this virus EARLY (and let's be perfectly clear, that was a massive global health failure, lead by the US and a few other countries), we won't kill it when we are able quickly, either, and it will kill many of us, in the mean time. the simple math and logic of this is pretty clear, now. and yeah, I guess I should be more scared than I am...... I see what you are saying. Professionally, I am there too. I understand it more, and can deal with it. I still struggle at a personal level at times. I do not want to get it, and I only have so much control because of idiots the uncertainty was human behavior.
now I am fairly certain that humans will behave predictably badly. and that is unfortunate, but I know what to do now. and that is to find a location where humans behave best, or where there are few of them, and try to move there until this thing passes.
it really is the only logical thing for a person of means to do. and yes, I feel really badly for those that either can't or won't do that. you will have to find other means to protect yourselves. but keep this in mind- you know these assholes are going to make things difficult, so BE CAREFUL. wear your mask, keep out of enclosed spaces where people don't wear PPE, and be VIGILANT, because the virus is out to get you, and there is no short supply of it.
pmd- I really appreciate your contributions, here. just wanted to put that out there again. you have been part of my sense of sanity in this, and I really needed that. I have made a lot of difficult decisions- like splitting my crew up, which reduced my production by 50%. my sense of aloneness on this stuff has made it more difficult, but you especially, and others to a lesser degree, made the decisions (the right decisions) easier.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 15, 2020 18:07:41 GMT -5
I see what you are saying. Professionally, I am there too. I understand it more, and can deal with it. I still struggle at a personal level at times. I do not want to get it, and I only have so much control because of idiots the uncertainty was human behavior.
now I am fairly certain that humans will behave predictably badly. and that is unfortunate, but I know what to do now. and that is to find a location where humans behave best, or where there are few of them, and try to move there until this thing passes.
it really is the only logical thing for a person of means to do. and yes, I feel really badly for those that either can't or won't do that. you will have to find other means to protect yourselves. but keep this in mind- you know these assholes are going to make things difficult, so BE CAREFUL. wear your mask, keep out of enclosed spaces where people don't wear PPE, and be VIGILANT, because the virus is out to get you, and there is no short supply of it.
pmd- I really appreciate your contributions, here. just wanted to put that out there again. you have been part of my sense of sanity in this, and I really needed that. I have made a lot of difficult decisions- like splitting my crew up, which reduced my production by 50%. my sense of aloneness on this stuff has made it more difficult, but you especially, and others to a lesser degree, made the decisions (the right decisions) easier.
Well thank you, you are making me blush. I greatly appreciate this, I have some personal challenges I am struggling with, so this helps tremendously. I am trying to help people understand a difficult and trying time, as we are sorely lacking leadership. I am glad you appreciate it
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 16, 2020 3:49:16 GMT -5
We are isolating.... or locking down individual areas where outbreaks occur. It doesn't effect the whole economy. R rate 0.57 in general, over 1 in a particular place and we lock it down.
The R rate is rising where I live because there have been a number of factory outbreaks (the testing vans are here).......They have tested everybody in the factory and found that the actual number infected (and transmitting virus) is way higher than expected because people are not displaying symptoms. ......... but in some hit areas....2 weeks later, its under control and on to the next one. We have had outbreaks in multi-generational immigrant households.... where a younger person has bought the virus into the home....and have had to send translators and workers in to those areas to make sure people know how to protect themselves. The simple truth in the US is that you opened up in some areas when the virus wasn't properly contained. I understand those areas have now locked down again and thats the way it has to be....... to keep it at bay. but there is a lot you can do to stay safe and hole up until it dies down.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2020 22:32:01 GMT -5
congratulations, president Trump.
we are now on the top 10 list for BOTH death rate and case rate worldwide.
this puts us in the top 5% (worst) places to be on Earth, including all the shithole countries, who soon will be banning us from their shores.
MAGA!
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 20, 2020 7:00:34 GMT -5
The GOP Congress people may finally be splitting from trump on this.
Not only is trump completely disinterested in the topic, he’s lying about how badly we’re doing compared to Europe, now he’s threatening to hold up another Covid relief bill because he doesn’t want to earmark any more money towards testing, since he thinks testing creates cases and it’s apparently better to not know you have it (and keep spreading it).
It’s gotten to where people are skipping trump and going to Pence to ask for Covid help, because Trump is willfully ignoring it.
We’re so fucked.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 20, 2020 7:41:41 GMT -5
Well we have a whiff of drug which may help in the early stages. Small trial, x100 (double blind) press release, no peer assessment, not published.......by a company in Southampton (not Oxford) Its an interferon beta protein delivered by nebuliser, in the early stages...... and they looking at preventing people needing intensive care. I think they are looking at an emergency license or getting it in to a bigger trail ASAP. I know the medical fraternity aren't going to like this....... but for the chance that they may actually be on to something.............. the search goes on. Just a bit suspicious that this is a pharmaceutical company and they are not independent.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 20, 2020 7:45:07 GMT -5
I had a heated conversation with my DT supporter dad last night. He was talking about how the system let my nephew down and now he's going to miss his senior year of HS and he wants to go.
I informed him it was in fact the orange man that he helped put in the WH house that let him down. He said it was all the governors not locking states down that were to blame. I told him that governors aren't in charge of the US, the president is and instead of handling it he insisted it was a hoax to make him look bad. I pointed out the rate at which people are dying in other countries compared to here. Then he said "People die all the time. They get shot, they get in car accidents, etc." I finally had enough and told him, "Yeah, and now 140,000+ Americans are dead. Cause of death, incompetence." I also informed my father that he's full of $hit. I just can't.
That was just the cliff notes. There was more. He also stated that he's voting for him again this election. You can't make this crap up.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 20, 2020 8:15:18 GMT -5
Well we have a whiff of drug which may help in the early stages. Small trial, x100 (double blind) press release, no peer assessment, not published.......by a company in Southampton (not Oxford) Its an interferon beta protein delivered by nebuliser, in the early stages...... and they looking at preventing people needing intensive care. I think they are looking at an emergency license or getting it in to a bigger trail ASAP. I know the medical fraternity aren't going to like this....... but for the chance that they may actually be on to something.............. the search goes on. Just a bit suspicious that this is a pharmaceutical company and they are not independent.
Why? The only reason to not like it is if the data are not very convincing, like the hydroxychloroquine data was. The risk of using something unproven is substantial, as hydroxychloroquine likely contributed to mortality in some people. We are in the business of treating disease, show us something that works, not that we think this does, but honestly, truly works, and everybody will use it.
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Post by steff on Jul 20, 2020 8:40:28 GMT -5
Well, it was just a matter of time. It's at my door folks. My hubby started not feeling good this morning at work. Took his temp again (he was cleared at 4 am to go into the plant) and now he has a fever. He's been kicked out of work & sent to be tested. he can't come back until he tests negative. my house/family is officially on no contact/lock down as of right now.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 20, 2020 8:41:40 GMT -5
Well, it was just a matter of time. It's at my door folks. My hubby started not feeling good this morning at work. Took his temp again (he was cleared at 4 am to go into the plant) and now he has a fever. He's been kicked out of work & sent to be tested. he can't come back until he tests negative. my house/family is officially on no contact/lock down as of right now. Fingers crossed that he's negative and just has a cold or something.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 20, 2020 9:18:05 GMT -5
Well we have a whiff of drug which may help in the early stages. Small trial, x100 (double blind) press release, no peer assessment, not published.......by a company in Southampton (not Oxford) Its an interferon beta protein delivered by nebuliser, in the early stages...... and they looking at preventing people needing intensive care. I think they are looking at an emergency license or getting it in to a bigger trail ASAP. I know the medical fraternity aren't going to like this....... but for the chance that they may actually be on to something.............. the search goes on. Just a bit suspicious that this is a pharmaceutical company and they are not independent.
Why? The only reason to not like it is if the data are not very convincing, like the hydroxychloroquine data was. The risk of using something unproven is substantial, as hydroxychloroquine likely contributed to mortality in some people. We are in the business of treating disease, show us something that works, not that we think this does, but honestly, truly works, and everybody will use it. I think the data is interesting as a signal that needs further exploration. Its not ready to be wheeled out before is has undergone established protocols, but we do need more therapeutics that can be used earlier in the disease. They are just trying to sort out the next move and its a potential, not an answer at present. The Oxford vaccine phase 1 results are out Its producing good antibodies, stimulating T cells.......Its safe with very few side effects and it will need two jabs. Currently being tested in South Africa and Brazil. Still a lot of answers needed though...ie....... How good is it for older people with a lesser immune system?... will it prevent a person getting the virus or just mute it?. Are the vaccinated still infectious?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 20, 2020 9:38:42 GMT -5
Why? The only reason to not like it is if the data are not very convincing, like the hydroxychloroquine data was. The risk of using something unproven is substantial, as hydroxychloroquine likely contributed to mortality in some people. We are in the business of treating disease, show us something that works, not that we think this does, but honestly, truly works, and everybody will use it. I think the data is interesting as a signal that needs further exploration. Its not ready to be wheeled out before is has undergone established protocols, but we do need more therapeutics that can be used earlier in the disease. They are just trying to sort out the next move and its a potential, not an answer at present. The Oxford vaccine phase 1 results are out Its producing good antibodies, stimulating T cells.......Its safe with very few side effects and it will need two jabs. Currently being tested in South Africa and Brazil. Still a lot of answers needed though...ie....... How good is it for older people with a lesser immune system?... will it prevent a person getting the virus or just mute it?. Are the vaccinated still infectious?
Ok, do not disagree with what you say here, but why won't the medical community like what you posted previously. There is an incredible wish/desire/need for people to do something. But doing something can be worse than doing nothing. The first tenet of medicine is do no harm, so if we are not sure if something works, not doing it makes sense. These things need to be studied in a scientifically vigorous fashion, so we know what works and what ideas can be discarded. Only way forward. What is frustrating is having them release a statement saying we have a positive result here, without showing the data. Showing the data is necessary, both to corroborate what they are saying, critique it, and to decide the direction things need to go.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 20, 2020 10:23:55 GMT -5
I see what you are saying. Professionally, I am there too. I understand it more, and can deal with it. I still struggle at a personal level at times. I do not want to get it, and I only have so much control because of idiots the uncertainty was human behavior.
now I am fairly certain that humans will behave predictably badly. and that is unfortunate, but I know what to do now. and that is to find a location where humans behave best, or where there are few of them, and try to move there until this thing passes.
it really is the only logical thing for a person of means to do. I'm gonna play devil's advocate. Ignore what I say IF you are surrounded by "toxic" people (family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, etc) where the only hope is to escape and remove yourself from them. I am NOT advocating to remain with abusive or demeaning or controlling people (or whatever else makes your life hellish). In general, I don't think "moving someplace better or safer" is the solution. There are idiots and rules and regulations and people who don't look like, act like, talk like you EVERYWHERE. OK, if you move someplace AND have a small enough circle of contact with people - you can achieve that "better/safer" thing - because you have limited and CHOSEN the people you want to associate with. You can create a limited and Chosen circle of people even in a crowded place. I live in a densely populated area. I can't control other people. But I can control the "circle" of people I associate with. I get to choose my friends. I get to choose how I deal with "sneezey/sick" coworkers (when I was at work. I have some say in how I deal with annoying relatives. I think alot of one's safety/better life depends greatly on who you "chose" as friends (and of course who you marry) I'm single - so it's all about my circle of friends. We (my friends and relatives) all "circled the wagons" back in March. We all actively worked/planned/thought about how our "outside" exposures MIGHT/COULD effect those of us who are more "vulnerable" and then acted accordingly (who gets to visit face to face, who maintains distance, who can be a 'driver' for drs appts, etc, who can grocery shop or help with household stuff, etc... I can't do anything about the idoits - but I can limit my exposure to them. I don't see a need to "run away" from the problems by moving to some utopian place that will NEVER exist. It up to us to make the place we are as good as it can be - even for the idiots.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 20, 2020 10:34:55 GMT -5
I had a heated conversation with my DT supporter dad last night. He was talking about how the system let my nephew down and now he's going to miss his senior year of HS and he wants to go. I informed him it was in fact the orange man that he helped put in the WH house that let him down. He said it was all the governors not locking states down that were to blame. I told him that governors aren't in charge of the US, the president is and instead of handling it he insisted it was a hoax to make him look bad. I pointed out the rate at which people are dying in other countries compared to here. Then he said "People die all the time. They get shot, they get in car accidents, etc." I finally had enough and told him, "Yeah, and now 140,000+ Americans are dead. Cause of death, incompetence." I also informed my father that he's full of $hit. I just can't. That was just the cliff notes. There was more. He also stated that he's voting for him again this election. You can't make this crap up.I believe you. I too have relatives who think this way (they are 65 and younger) so I can't exactly blame it on old age. Kinda surprise your dad didn't shoot back - "but 250,000 were suppose to have died by now! See! they are wrong!! " when you mentioned the 140K deaths. That was the response I got with the implied "see, it's not that serious why did they shut down, stay home, wear masks! It's not that serious!" at which point I was like - "yeah, we're done. all you've got are fallacies and red herrings to uphold your point of view. I'm done. "
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 20, 2020 10:56:32 GMT -5
I had a heated conversation with my DT supporter dad last night. He was talking about how the system let my nephew down and now he's going to miss his senior year of HS and he wants to go. I informed him it was in fact the orange man that he helped put in the WH house that let him down. He said it was all the governors not locking states down that were to blame. I told him that governors aren't in charge of the US, the president is and instead of handling it he insisted it was a hoax to make him look bad. I pointed out the rate at which people are dying in other countries compared to here. Then he said "People die all the time. They get shot, they get in car accidents, etc." I finally had enough and told him, "Yeah, and now 140,000+ Americans are dead. Cause of death, incompetence." I also informed my father that he's full of $hit. I just can't. That was just the cliff notes. There was more. He also stated that he's voting for him again this election. You can't make this crap up.I believe you. I too have relatives who think this way (they are 65 and younger) so I can't exactly blame it on old age. Kinda surprise your dad didn't shoot back - "but 250,000 were suppose to have died by now! See! they are wrong!! " when you mentioned the 140K deaths. That was the response I got with the implied "see, it's not that serious why did they shut down, stay home, wear masks! It's not that serious!" at which point I was like - "yeah, we're done. all you've got are fallacies and red herrings to uphold your point of view. I'm done. " Nah. He deflected to Kanye running for president. I let him off the hook because I had been drilling on him a bit by that point. He had also declared himself unwilling to live a sheltered life and fearing no virus. I told him when he gets it to stay the hell away from me. I'll be in my house.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 20, 2020 11:36:10 GMT -5
Well, it was just a matter of time. It's at my door folks. My hubby started not feeling good this morning at work. Took his temp again (he was cleared at 4 am to go into the plant) and now he has a fever. He's been kicked out of work & sent to be tested. he can't come back until he tests negative. my house/family is officially on no contact/lock down as of right now. Yikes. Start bleaching. Doorknobs, light switches, remote controls, etc. Best of luck to you.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 20, 2020 12:31:09 GMT -5
Well, it was just a matter of time. It's at my door folks. My hubby started not feeling good this morning at work. Took his temp again (he was cleared at 4 am to go into the plant) and now he has a fever. He's been kicked out of work & sent to be tested. he can't come back until he tests negative. my house/family is officially on no contact/lock down as of right now. Yikes. Start bleaching. Doorknobs, light switches, remote controls, etc. Best of luck to you. Doesn't matter, she has been exposed already. Doing all that is like closing the barn door
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 20, 2020 12:50:01 GMT -5
Yikes. Start bleaching. Doorknobs, light switches, remote controls, etc. Best of luck to you. Doesn't matter, she has been exposed already. Doing all that is like closing the barn door I've heard enough stories of people never testing positive even though their spouse did. Going on the assumption that you are already infected and sharing a fork with your husband seems a little risky to me.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 20, 2020 12:57:37 GMT -5
I think the data is interesting as a signal that needs further exploration. Its not ready to be wheeled out before is has undergone established protocols, but we do need more therapeutics that can be used earlier in the disease. They are just trying to sort out the next move and its a potential, not an answer at present. The Oxford vaccine phase 1 results are out Its producing good antibodies, stimulating T cells.......Its safe with very few side effects and it will need two jabs. Currently being tested in South Africa and Brazil. Still a lot of answers needed though...ie....... How good is it for older people with a lesser immune system?... will it prevent a person getting the virus or just mute it?. Are the vaccinated still infectious?
Ok, do not disagree with what you say here, but why won't the medical community like what you posted previously. There is an incredible wish/desire/need for people to do something. But doing something can be worse than doing nothing. The first tenet of medicine is do no harm, so if we are not sure if something works, not doing it makes sense. These things need to be studied in a scientifically vigorous fashion, so we know what works and what ideas can be discarded. Only way forward. What is frustrating is having them release a statement saying we have a positive result here, without showing the data. Showing the data is necessary, both to corroborate what they are saying, critique it, and to decide the direction things need to go. Ok, well I have just heard that its going to a full scale trial so perhaps its one to watch. Its a safe drug, its used in various forms for other illnesses and there has been a lot of research done on it already.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 20, 2020 13:09:26 GMT -5
I had a heated conversation with my DT supporter dad last night. He was talking about how the system let my nephew down and now he's going to miss his senior year of HS and he wants to go. I informed him it was in fact the orange man that he helped put in the WH house that let him down. He said it was all the governors not locking states down that were to blame. I told him that governors aren't in charge of the US, the president is and instead of handling it he insisted it was a hoax to make him look bad. I pointed out the rate at which people are dying in other countries compared to here. Then he said "People die all the time. They get shot, they get in car accidents, etc." I finally had enough and told him, "Yeah, and now 140,000+ Americans are dead. Cause of death, incompetence." I also informed my father that he's full of $hit. I just can't. That was just the cliff notes. There was more. He also stated that he's voting for him again this election. You can't make this crap up. I know what you mean I had an argument with someone on a news site yesterday....who was bored with hearing all the fuss because its only a flu virus and "they" are trying to scare us. She even posted the "proof" that its a flu virus.
How anyone can put such stupidity on the internet, without checking their facts.......I don't even know.
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Post by steff on Jul 20, 2020 13:14:59 GMT -5
Yikes. Start bleaching. Doorknobs, light switches, remote controls, etc. Best of luck to you. Doesn't matter, she has been exposed already. Doing all that is like closing the barn door My doctor believes I have already had it in February. He just doesn't trust the Georgia antibodies testing system & said we're not going to get that test, but we're going to proceed as if I have already had it.
Hubby was tested this afternoon. I made him (much to his displeasure) strip in the garage & go straight to the shower. Everything he took with him to work is still in a box in the garage where it will stay for the duration of his quarantine or a negative test comes back. Everything he would have touched this morning & his desk/chair/end table/remotes/etc in the basement has now been cleaned/wiped down/disinfected while I wore gloves and a mask. I changed clothes as soon as I was done. my clothes & his clothes are in the washer as we speak.
I have secluded him in the bedroom on the 3rd floor. I brought down all my pillows & blankets before he got home & disinfected/washed them already. I have secluded my adult son in the basement just to keep everyone apart. Technically we each have our own floor, with me having the kitchen to cook for everyone. I can leave food on a landing upstairs or a landing downstairs for them to do "drive thru' and pick it up.
There are cans of lysol & lysol wipes on every floor (planned that out months ago when it all started) We have plenty of masks & gloves (also preplanned & ordered). Both my hubby & kiddo are essential employees. We've known it's gonna get here sooner or later. We've been very proactive with trying to be prepared & being over the top cautious. It's why I have only seen my mom once in 5 months (and she lives 15 minutes away). The one time I saw her was outside my house, her in her car with the window barely cracked open, me 10 feet away, with a mask on. I even refused to give my youngest brother a ride on Friday after he put his car in the shop because he's the only one of us kids who can see mom because he isn't essential or around anyone other than her. Everyone said I was overreacting until today.
If we go by the idea that I've already had it (and that I'm not as likely to get it again *in theory*) then I'm the safest in my house right now to deal with keeping everyone else separated & quarantined. Other than some extra work for me, I just have to wait & see if I need to cancel Dr's appointments I have next week. I've already cancelled the one I had for tomorrow for a blood pressure meds follow up. My dr did that today over the phone to increase my blood pressure med dosage. I'm the poster that has a whole bunch of new health issues that I didn't have before I got sick in February. Biggest issue is I now have sky high blood pressure where as before getting sick, never had a single time my blood pressure ran high.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 20, 2020 13:22:07 GMT -5
Doesn't matter, she has been exposed already. Doing all that is like closing the barn door I've heard enough stories of people never testing positive even though their spouse did. Going on the assumption that you are already infected and sharing a fork with your husband seems a little risky to me. Avoiding close personal contact and self isolating and isolating from him is correct. All the cleaning is not going to change her risk, as you are most infectious just befroe to just after getting ill.
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Post by steff on Jul 20, 2020 13:29:18 GMT -5
I've heard enough stories of people never testing positive even though their spouse did. Going on the assumption that you are already infected and sharing a fork with your husband seems a little risky to me. Avoiding close personal contact and self isolating and isolating from him is correct. All the cleaning is not going to change her risk, as you are most infectious just befroe to just after getting ill. again, because we knew he's an essential employee & there are cases (and even 1 death) at his plant, we've been taking cleaning precautions for quite awhile. He doesn't wear his uniform home anymore, he changes clothes before leaving work & then again immediately when he gets home. Today I didn't let him even in the house until he stripped down. No one but him touches his lunch box. The container the food goes in is put directly into the dishwasher every day by him. I don't touch it until it's been thru the sanitizing setting in the dishwasher. I wipe down door handles/ice box handles/light switches/ faucets daily. We don't share a bathroom. We don't share remotes, computers or phones. He has his tv area in the basement & I have mine on the main floor. Everyone is separated unless we're on the main floor or in the kitchen. It's fairly easy to keep that area wiped down daily. We sleep in the same bed, but typically not at the same time because of his work schedule & I'm a night owl. We don't share pillows or covers because he likes his covers tucked in & I'm a wad up all the sheets in my sleep kinda gal.
Yes I cleaned & disinfected his area downstairs today, but it's only his space & it's not shared with anyone else.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 20, 2020 13:33:06 GMT -5
Ok, do not disagree with what you say here, but why won't the medical community like what you posted previously. There is an incredible wish/desire/need for people to do something. But doing something can be worse than doing nothing. The first tenet of medicine is do no harm, so if we are not sure if something works, not doing it makes sense. These things need to be studied in a scientifically vigorous fashion, so we know what works and what ideas can be discarded. Only way forward. What is frustrating is having them release a statement saying we have a positive result here, without showing the data. Showing the data is necessary, both to corroborate what they are saying, critique it, and to decide the direction things need to go. Ok, well I have just heard that its going to a full scale trial so perhaps its one to watch. Its a safe drug, its used in various forms for other illnesses and there has been a lot of research done on it already.
Safe when used in outpatients, and safe when used in critically ill people is not the same. It needs to be studied to see how effective it is. WOuld be great to have another option for treatment, because, at least in the US, it is not going anywhere
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 20, 2020 13:34:08 GMT -5
I had a heated conversation with my DT supporter dad last night. He was talking about how the system let my nephew down and now he's going to miss his senior year of HS and he wants to go. I informed him it was in fact the orange man that he helped put in the WH house that let him down. He said it was all the governors not locking states down that were to blame. I told him that governors aren't in charge of the US, the president is and instead of handling it he insisted it was a hoax to make him look bad. I pointed out the rate at which people are dying in other countries compared to here. Then he said "People die all the time. They get shot, they get in car accidents, etc." I finally had enough and told him, "Yeah, and now 140,000+ Americans are dead. Cause of death, incompetence." I also informed my father that he's full of $hit. I just can't. That was just the cliff notes. There was more. He also stated that he's voting for him again this election. You can't make this crap up. I know what you mean I had an argument with someone on a news site yesterday....who was bored with hearing all the fuss because its only a flu virus and "they" are trying to scare us. She even posted the "proof" that its a flu virus.
How anyone can put such stupidity on the internet, without checking their facts.......I don't even know. Yeah, my dad has pretty much bathed in the orange Koolaid. He was talking about how my nephew wants to go to school and should be able to go. I told him that I would prefer my nephew live a little longer. He was saying he's young, he'll be fine. I said "Really? Because children have already died from this and I don't think 17 years is long enough for him to have been on this earth." I just don't understand how one can be so detached from reality. He just can't see past the nose on his face and he's as stubborn as they come.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 13:37:42 GMT -5
this might seems strange, but the predictability of this is making me LESS anxious. I am now pretty confident we will have at least 200k dead prior to the end of summer, and at least 5M infected. that will force the lockdown of half the nation (or the killing of up to a million US citizens). we won't have a massively produced vaccine by then. and therefore, we are going to need at least 1B doses worldwide. because we failed to suppress this virus EARLY (and let's be perfectly clear, that was a massive global health failure, lead by the US and a few other countries), we won't kill it when we are able quickly, either, and it will kill many of us, in the mean time. the simple math and logic of this is pretty clear, now. and yeah, I guess I should be more scared than I am...... I saw an interview with a doc recently that said it best. He said that there comes a time where it's every person and family for themselves and you need to prepare and make decisions based on the best information available - and, we've clearly hit this point. I've said all along since there were a few thousand cases in the US - stock up, prepare for an extended period of time where you don't have to leave home, and make plans to protect yourself because the Trump is doing nothing about this. There is no federal plan. There isn't enough testing. And, now we will all be lied to about how bad it is so the OT can get reelected...
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 20, 2020 13:47:38 GMT -5
Well, it was just a matter of time. It's at my door folks. My hubby started not feeling good this morning at work. Took his temp again (he was cleared at 4 am to go into the plant) and now he has a fever. He's been kicked out of work & sent to be tested. he can't come back until he tests negative. my house/family is officially on no contact/lock down as of right now. Fingers crossed that he's negative and just has a cold or something. One of my employees is in this state. He and his kids are all negative, waiting on his wife to be cleared- she’s the one with symptoms. Another coworker has a son who has tested positive for a couple months. No symptoms. Coworker can’t come back until the kid tests negative.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 13:49:43 GMT -5
the uncertainty was human behavior.
now I am fairly certain that humans will behave predictably badly. and that is unfortunate, but I know what to do now. and that is to find a location where humans behave best, or where there are few of them, and try to move there until this thing passes.
it really is the only logical thing for a person of means to do. I live in Harney County, Oregon. You can't really get more rural... We are a very conservative area. There's a LOT of resistance to face masks and any other infringement on people's liberty. This is a very red, Trump's a hero and this virus is a hoax area. We have no ICU beds, anyone in medical crisis has to be FLOWN out of the area. There are 2 EMTs and we have been notified they can't do a 140 mile ground transfer into Bend or into Idaho. While it's fantastic we have only had 3 cases to date, we have TONS of tourists right now flooding our area plus the added risk of the "fake news" crowd who refuse to wear masks or not gather... This area is a massive outbreak waiting to happen. The same for nearly all other rural/remote/mountain/desert areas.
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