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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2020 5:09:22 GMT -5
We broke 70k cases on worldometers. Way to go Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, and Arizona. I’m sure we can get to 80k by the end of next week if we keep it up. Especially Florida, because there seems to be a special brand of stupid, and I think you have won the worst governor contest. It was quite a contest, but distant is seemed determined to win I always expected for Florida and California to join the leader board because of their population and the fact they are both beach states. Georgia and Arizona are more interesting to me study-wise as they are #8 and #14 in population. I personally have been watching both Arizona and Louisana as they are both states whose virus wave started after NY/NJ and they are the ones with momentum in cases compared to population. simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_populationI feel stupid in that I just realized I can sort the worldometer data by clicking on the various headings. I had been following cases over 1 million population just by looking. The top 4 are more mature first wave virus states. NY - NYC NJ - densely populated, NYC top employer Rhode Island - densely populated, contained MA - Boston area then you have new up and comers Arizona - cases concentrated in Phoenix area which is the sixth largest city; should pass MA any day now Louisana - a case study in itself, cases probably concentrated in New Orleans then a drop to District of Columbia which might be on the increase simply because Trump and company Other fun things I like to look at are the Veteran Affairs number and the US Military. The latter's population is closest to Hawaii, however if you look at New Hampshire which is smaller, its case count is pretty high. It even beats out Rhode Island which is smaller. Wondering if the military is part of virus spreaders just like they were during the Spanish Flu.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 11, 2020 6:31:37 GMT -5
I would worried about this..... Can you get hepa filters?
They don’t work for this
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 11, 2020 6:51:23 GMT -5
We broke 70k cases on worldometers. Way to go Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, and Arizona. I’m sure we can get to 80k by the end of next week if we keep it up. Especially Florida, because there seems to be a special brand of stupid, and I think you have won the worst governor contest. It was quite a contest, but distant is seemed determined to win I always expected for Florida and California to join the leader board because of their population and the fact they are both beach states. Georgia and Arizona are more interesting to me study-wise as they are #8 and #14 in population. I personally have been watching both Arizona and Louisana as they are both states whose virus wave started after NY/NJ and they are the ones with momentum in cases compared to population. simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_populationI feel stupid in that I just realized I can sort the worldometer data by clicking on the various headings. I had been following cases over 1 million population just by looking. The top 4 are more mature first wave virus states. NY - NYC NJ - densely populated, NYC top employer Rhode Island - densely populated, contained MA - Boston area then you have new up and comers Arizona - cases concentrated in Phoenix area which is the sixth largest city; should pass MA any day now Louisana - a case study in itself, cases probably concentrated in New Orleans then a drop to District of Columbia which might be on the increase simply because Trump and company Other fun things I like to look at are the Veteran Affairs number and the US Military. The latter's population is closest to Hawaii, however if you look at New Hampshire which is smaller, its case count is pretty high. It even beats out Rhode Island which is smaller. Wondering if the military is part of virus spreaders just like they were during the Spanish Flu. Not that I enjoy doing this, but I will be fair to the southern states. Not all of their increase is due to stupidity. Early on in the pandemic, due to the testing fiasco, we could not do tests at the rate that we needed to. We are testing at a much higher rate, and as a result, we are identifying more cases, cases we failed to identify early on. I think this is one reason the average age is falling. Not to say young people aren’t being stupid, but we did not test them early on. So, in a way, they are right, more testing means more cases, just not in the way they think. So, they look bad in comparison. Based in what is happening to hospitals in Florida and Houston, they are nearly the situation in the northeast in the spring. I must admit I am enjoying this more than I care to admit, given the intense criticism nyc faced, and how the states in trouble were proudly stating how they were in control. Ignore science at your own peril. I do feel guilty about how I am feeling, and concerned for my fellow healthcare workers going through this, but the governors deserve all the judgment and ridicule they are facing
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 11, 2020 6:52:19 GMT -5
What can they do? ........ is there any advice. We don't have aircon (not warm enough) but I did read that planes and shopping malls have thought this through.
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Post by oped on Jul 11, 2020 8:30:18 GMT -5
From what I’ve read we still aren’t doing testing at the rates we need to...
And things like Texas Governor ordering that towns and cities could NOT require masks.... I think he should be held accountable.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 11, 2020 9:00:56 GMT -5
What can they do? ........ is there any advice. We don't have aircon (not warm enough) but I did read that planes and shopping malls have thought this through.
This is why we are in a difficult situation. The only true way to control this is to decrease social interaction. The fewer people you are exposed to, the lower your risk. It appears to be far more contagious indoors, so limiting indoor contact, and wearing masks is important. Getting the infection rate way down before an area is spending time indoors, and then continuing to be careful is what is necessary. Things we failed to do. Hope the U.K. has better luck
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 11, 2020 9:28:44 GMT -5
Three months after President Donald Trump suggested ingesting disinfectants as a treatment for coronavirus, a Florida man and his three sons are facing criminal charges for allegedly selling a toxic solution to tens of thousands of people as a cure for Covid-19. Mark Grenon, 62, and his sons, Jonathan, 34, Joseph, 32, and Jordan, 26, all of Bradenton, Florida, supposedly manufactured, promoted, and sold "Miracle Mineral Solution" (MMS), a chemical solution containing sodium chlorite and water, the criminal complaint affidavit says. The men sold the toxic bleach under the guise of Genesis II Church of Health and Healing, an entity they allegedly created in an attempt to avoid government regulation, the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida said in a statement. www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/us/florida-men-coronavirus-cure-trnd/index.htmlThats just bleach and water. It will kill viruses and is a bit of a staple in the home...... everything from norovirus to flu.
I've been using it in the bathroom for as long as I have had a house. As long as you rinse..... and don't drink/inject/ingest/get it in your eyes...... or do anything stupid...... Normal people know how to use this. Its a bit cheeky to bottle and sell as a miracle cure.............. ( I hope they weren't suggesting you drink it, you would burn a hole in your gullet) and its incredibly naive of people........... to not be able to sniff it.... and know what it was.
This is not a new product. These people have supported the use of bleach to cure all kinds of things. You can drink it, but, they also have a bleach enima protocol that will "cure" autism among other things. These treatments are given to toddlers and children repeatedly. It isn't cheeky. It is abuse, and these guys should in prison. We may be blaming Trump for this, but these guys and these methods have been around since before his presidency. The people who believe this fuckery are offshoots of anti-vax, and are the idiots that voted for Trump and Brexit. We have to get science back into schools and get religion out of there. asatonline.org/for-parents/becoming-a-savvy-consumer/is-there-science-behind-that-bleach-therapy/
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 11, 2020 9:50:07 GMT -5
Thats just bleach and water. It will kill viruses and is a bit of a staple in the home...... everything from norovirus to flu.
I've been using it in the bathroom for as long as I have had a house. As long as you rinse..... and don't drink/inject/ingest/get it in your eyes...... or do anything stupid...... Normal people know how to use this. Its a bit cheeky to bottle and sell as a miracle cure.............. ( I hope they weren't suggesting you drink it, you would burn a hole in your gullet) and its incredibly naive of people........... to not be able to sniff it.... and know what it was.
This is not a new product. These people have supported the use of bleach to cure all kinds of things. You can drink it, but, they also have a bleach enima protocol that will "cure" autism among other things. These treatments are given to toddlers and children repeatedly. It isn't cheeky. It is abuse, and these guys should in prison. We may be blaming Trump for this, but these guys and these methods have been around since before his presidency. The people who believe this fuckery are offshoots of anti-vax, and are the idiots that voted for Trump and Brexit. We have to get science back into schools and get religion out of there. asatonline.org/for-parents/becoming-a-savvy-consumer/is-there-science-behind-that-bleach-therapy/I think President Trump is more a result than a cause of a lot of things.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2020 10:23:27 GMT -5
What can they do? ........ is there any advice. We don't have aircon (not warm enough) but I did read that planes and shopping malls have thought this through.
This is why we are in a difficult situation. The only true way to control this is to decrease social interaction. The fewer people you are exposed to, the lower your risk. It appears to be far more contagious indoors, so limiting indoor contact, and wearing masks is important. Getting the infection rate way down before an area is spending time indoors, and then continuing to be careful is what is necessary. Things we failed to do. Hope the U.K. has better luck I think it would be helpful to have the medical community put out what they believe is exposure, because in many cases, what is harmful indoors is going to be harmful outdoors. Likewise just living indoors is not an automatic virus sentence. One part of the building I work in is assisted living. The residents have pretty much been living in their rooms since Spring. Since the virus swept through the building no new cases have reappeared in AL. Residents and staff get tested frequently. Per governor order, staff is tested weekly and no one has tested positive in the last 5 to 6 weeks. I'm not sure how well the HVAC systems are separated as unlike apartment buildings, residents are not billed separately for electricity. If you are four feet apart talking maskless to an infected person for a half an hour, I expect you will get sufficient exposure to the virus to potentially become sick. I think unless you are standing outside with a cross wind blowing between you the exposure you get will not be much different inside, outside, in a/c, with the heat on, etc. What's going to be different is wherever those boundry conditions occur. There is so much we don't know because it would be unethical to test it with people. We have that study of the Chinese restaurant, but I haven't seen anywhere how long the infected person was in there, let alone how long the people who got it from more than 6 feet away were there.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 11, 2020 10:48:19 GMT -5
This is why we are in a difficult situation. The only true way to control this is to decrease social interaction. The fewer people you are exposed to, the lower your risk. It appears to be far more contagious indoors, so limiting indoor contact, and wearing masks is important. Getting the infection rate way down before an area is spending time indoors, and then continuing to be careful is what is necessary. Things we failed to do. Hope the U.K. has better luck I think it would be helpful to have the medical community put out what they believe is exposure, because in many cases, what is harmful indoors is going to be harmful outdoors. Likewise just living indoors is not an automatic virus sentence. One part of the building I work in is assisted living. The residents have pretty much been living in their rooms since Spring. Since the virus swept through the building no new cases have reappeared in AL. Residents and staff get tested frequently. Per governor order, staff is tested weekly and no one has tested positive in the last 5 to 6 weeks. I'm not sure how well the HVAC systems are separated as unlike apartment buildings, residents are not billed separately for electricity. If you are four feet apart talking maskless to an infected person for a half an hour, I expect you will get sufficient exposure to the virus to potentially become sick. I think unless you are standing outside with a cross wind blowing between you the exposure you get will not be much different inside, outside, in a/c, with the heat on, etc. What's going to be different is wherever those boundry conditions occur. There is so much we don't know because it would be unethical to test it with people. We have that study of the Chinese restaurant, but I haven't seen anywhere how long the infected person was in there, let alone how long the people who got it from more than 6 feet away were there. So, it appears it requires 10 minutes of close contact. Concentration of the virus decreases with distance. The virus is very sensitive to UV light, so the equivalent exposure outdoors in the sunlight is likely less risky. Windy conditions likely dissipate the virus more quickly, unless you are downwind. Humidity also appears to have an effect. So, I do believe that similar interactions are less risky outdoors. If NJ is similar to here, the nursing homes were locked down, and no visitors were allowed. Cases in nursing homes decreased dramatically. Now that they are allowing in person visits, even outside, the nursing home I go to is seeing an increase in colds, but not covid. So, since the staff is being screened, and being careful, it is clearly the families bringing these things into the homes.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 11, 2020 11:46:51 GMT -5
We locked down for 12 weeks but really the infection rate didn't go down as quickly as expected. It did rip though nursing homes, for sure........ the high infection rate could be because it went though families.... and we were increasingly testing
or...... we missed something. Boris has been in a mask these last couple of days...... so masks may be becoming compulsory for shops, as in Scotland. He said the Science has changed and we need a stricter approach........ and I think its to do with the virus which may be aerosolizing more easily than they thought. We are ok at the moment...... Though the virus still around and we keep getting outbreaks. Its a fine balance between opening up the economy and keeping people safe. It feels like we a just one major outbreak away from another crisis.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2020 13:21:38 GMT -5
I think it would be helpful to have the medical community put out what they believe is exposure, because in many cases, what is harmful indoors is going to be harmful outdoors. Likewise just living indoors is not an automatic virus sentence. One part of the building I work in is assisted living. The residents have pretty much been living in their rooms since Spring. Since the virus swept through the building no new cases have reappeared in AL. Residents and staff get tested frequently. Per governor order, staff is tested weekly and no one has tested positive in the last 5 to 6 weeks. I'm not sure how well the HVAC systems are separated as unlike apartment buildings, residents are not billed separately for electricity. If you are four feet apart talking maskless to an infected person for a half an hour, I expect you will get sufficient exposure to the virus to potentially become sick. I think unless you are standing outside with a cross wind blowing between you the exposure you get will not be much different inside, outside, in a/c, with the heat on, etc. What's going to be different is wherever those boundry conditions occur. There is so much we don't know because it would be unethical to test it with people. We have that study of the Chinese restaurant, but I haven't seen anywhere how long the infected person was in there, let alone how long the people who got it from more than 6 feet away were there. So, it appears it requires 10 minutes of close contact. Concentration of the virus decreases with distance. The virus is very sensitive to UV light, so the equivalent exposure outdoors in the sunlight is likely less risky. Windy conditions likely dissipate the virus more quickly, unless you are downwind. Humidity also appears to have an effect. So, I do believe that similar interactions are less risky outdoors. If NJ is similar to here, the nursing homes were locked down, and no visitors were allowed. Cases in nursing homes decreased dramatically. Now that they are allowing in person visits, even outside, the nursing home I go to is seeing an increase in colds, but not covid. So, since the staff is being screened, and being careful, it is clearly the families bringing these things into the homes. The 10 minute data point is useful of course, but there are so many factors and some people who have gotten it with no close contact whatsoever. One couple got it simply by sitting in the same spot an infected couple sat in, at a later church service. Outdoor dining is opening up here and in NY. Most of the seating is under umbrellas. Sure they sanitize the surfaces in between customers, but how well & quickly does the outdoors "sanitize" the air or reduce exposure to amounts that won't cause infection? We don't know, but I think we might find out before September. Yes NJ nursing homes were locked down but not quick enough to keep the infection out first round for most places. Some got hit very hard because they were full up and had nowhere suitable to put sick patients. I don't know if you read the horror stories about veterans homes and other places spacing sick and not sick people less than 6 feet apart, but I found it horrifying and sad. I think the outdoor visits as planned by the governor here are safe enough, outside, both sides with masks and temp and symptom checks ... but its unlikely it will stay at this level until a vaccine is found. There will be pressure when winter hits and outside and window visits become undesirable.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 11, 2020 13:58:55 GMT -5
So, it appears it requires 10 minutes of close contact. Concentration of the virus decreases with distance. The virus is very sensitive to UV light, so the equivalent exposure outdoors in the sunlight is likely less risky. Windy conditions likely dissipate the virus more quickly, unless you are downwind. Humidity also appears to have an effect. So, I do believe that similar interactions are less risky outdoors. If NJ is similar to here, the nursing homes were locked down, and no visitors were allowed. Cases in nursing homes decreased dramatically. Now that they are allowing in person visits, even outside, the nursing home I go to is seeing an increase in colds, but not covid. So, since the staff is being screened, and being careful, it is clearly the families bringing these things into the homes. The 10 minute data point is useful of course, but there are so many factors and some people who have gotten it with no close contact whatsoever. One couple got it simply by sitting in the same spot an infected couple sat in, at a later church service. Outdoor dining is opening up here and in NY. Most of the seating is under umbrellas. Sure they sanitize the surfaces in between customers, but how well & quickly does the outdoors "sanitize" the air or reduce exposure to amounts that won't cause infection? We don't know, but I think we might find out before September. Yes NJ nursing homes were locked down but not quick enough to keep the infection out first round for most places. Some got hit very hard because they were full up and had nowhere suitable to put sick patients. I don't know if you read the horror stories about veterans homes and other places spacing sick and not sick people less than 6 feet apart, but I found it horrifying and sad. I think the outdoor visits as planned by the governor here are safe enough, outside, both sides with masks and temp and symptom checks ... but its unlikely it will stay at this level until a vaccine is found. There will be pressure when winter hits and outside and window visits become undesirable. About 50-60% of our deaths were in nursing homes, I am fully aware of what happened. The things you are going on about are similar with all infectious diseases. Transmission is more and less efficient on all kinds of factors, and this disease is no different. There are no hard and fast rules, only factors that increase and decrease risk. With this disease, some people appear to be super spreaders, and some people infect no one. So, if you are exposed to the former, it may not require much exposure. With the latter, you may be in the room for an hour and not get infected. Another example, if you live with someone with active TB, only 50% of household members become infected. I still would not expose myself without an N95 mask. This virus is very sensitive to UV radiation when it has been exposed. So, again, I think that daytime exposure outside is not very risky. We have had outdoor dining for 6 weeks, and indoor dining at 50% for about 3, and our cases are mostly flat. Now, everyone here is masked as well everywhere but restaurants. I feel very comfortable eating and being outside, as long as I know how responsible the people I am with have been. I also believe that we will see a resurgence once we have to go back inside when the weather cools off. How bad will depend on our behavior as well as the level that we drive the infection down to.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2020 15:29:49 GMT -5
I know PMD, but I am concerned. I think NJ is more likely to blow up than NY in the short term because this is Shore season. Which is why I figure Florida will continue to move on Texas in the ranking at least through the summer.
NJ has the highest population density, only Rhode Island seems to be close IMO. NY as a state is almost only a third as dense.
Both Louisiana and Arizona moved up today in the rankings of cases per Million. Wonder what kind of numbers Texas will post today?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 11, 2020 15:39:28 GMT -5
I know PMD, but I am concerned. I think NJ is more likely to blow up than NY in the short term because this is Shore season. Which is why I figure Florida will continue to move on Texas in the ranking at least through the summer. NJ has the highest population density, only Rhode Island seems to be close IMO. NY as a state is almost only a third as dense. Both Louisiana and Arizona moved up today in the rankings of cases per Million. Wonder what kind of numbers Texas will post today? 10k. Yes NJ has the jersey shore idiots. Hopefully I am right about being outside. I do think that masks wil help. But I also think being outside helps. I think the northeast will be relatively stable until early fall, which is when I expect its resurgence.
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Post by Happy prose on Jul 11, 2020 15:49:24 GMT -5
I read somewhere that Disney World in Florida reopened. Are they crazy?
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2020 16:30:16 GMT -5
I read somewhere that Disney World in Florida reopened. Are they crazy? Well, it a big economic driver for the Orlando area ... but I have to love one of the older articles- bgr.com/2020/06/14/disney-world-open-when-july-11-quarantine-new-york/Another safety measure Disney plans to incorporate will require visitors from New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut to quarantine themselves for 14-days before entering a Disney resort. It’s worth noting that this isn’t a rule unique to Disney but is rather in accordance with Florida’s official coronavirus safety guidelines. While this rule likely won’t impact many Disney World visitors, it is something to be aware of if you’re from the tri-state area.Almost amusing when you look at the stats on Worldometer from yesterday 1) Florida +11433 new cases In the bottom 10 of states, Connecticut +78 new cases New Jersey +423 New York +944 Good for neighbor Georgia though, #4 +4,484 new cases. mashable.com/article/disney-world-reopening-covid-coronavirus-pandemic/That's balanced against concerns over how Disney corporate is handling the re-opening. Just in the past two weeks, the company not only stuck by its plan to re-open, it did so in the midst of a report revealing that returning workers aren't being tested for COVID-19.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 11, 2020 16:31:10 GMT -5
I read somewhere that Disney World in Florida reopened. Are they crazy? It’s Florida. Did you really need to ask that question? Crazy thing is that people will travel from out of state to go. Don’t understand it. I would set foot in that state Righg now.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2020 16:33:28 GMT -5
I know PMD, but I am concerned. I think NJ is more likely to blow up than NY in the short term because this is Shore season. Which is why I figure Florida will continue to move on Texas in the ranking at least through the summer. NJ has the highest population density, only Rhode Island seems to be close IMO. NY as a state is almost only a third as dense. Both Louisiana and Arizona moved up today in the rankings of cases per Million. Wonder what kind of numbers Texas will post today? 10k. Yes NJ has the jersey shore idiots. Hopefully I am right about being outside. I do think that masks wil help. But I also think being outside helps. I think the northeast will be relatively stable until early fall, which is when I expect its resurgence. I hope you are right. Looks like Florida is committed to keep their place as number 1 in new cases each day. I guess Texas will just have to chill at number two until football season.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 11, 2020 16:36:53 GMT -5
10k. Yes NJ has the jersey shore idiots. Hopefully I am right about being outside. I do think that masks wil help. But I also think being outside helps. I think the northeast will be relatively stable until early fall, which is when I expect its resurgence. I hope you are right. Looks like Florida is committed to keep their place as number 1 in new cases each day. I guess Texas will just have to chill at number two until football season. Texas can do better, but it appears that Abbott might have a few more brain cells, so they may have the advantage
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 11, 2020 16:37:39 GMT -5
Masks can reduce Covid infection by 40%.... according to the Germans....... Thats got to be worth doing.
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2020 16:58:01 GMT -5
I hope you are right. Looks like Florida is committed to keep their place as number 1 in new cases each day. I guess Texas will just have to chill at number two until football season. Texas can do better, but it appears that Abbott might have a few more brain cells, so they may have the advantage We will see what happens. I see Houston canceled the Texas GOP convention for next weekend.
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Post by anciana on Jul 13, 2020 9:39:05 GMT -5
Am I seeing this right? Looking at the numbers and the pace, if it all continues, by the end of next weekend, in about 10 days or so, there could be more than 3 million people infected (officially) in the country, approximately 1% of the total population This is geometric growth at its best. People want to ignore math, but it doesn’t lie. Fauci said it could result in 100k cases a day if we do not do what is necessary. But we still argue nonsenses; masks are a communistic plot. Other countries seem to be doing better. July is going to be ugly. Now Texas will not release hospital data, and the lieutenant governor thinks he is smarter than Fauci. And here we are Approximately 1% of the US population has been infected and of those, about 4% had died Where did I read that it took only 28 days to reach the 3rd million cases? Is it too much to predict that by the end of the month there'll be another 1 million? Or more? Could we have 1.5% population infected beginning of August
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 13, 2020 9:52:39 GMT -5
This is geometric growth at its best. People want to ignore math, but it doesn’t lie. Fauci said it could result in 100k cases a day if we do not do what is necessary. But we still argue nonsenses; masks are a communistic plot. Other countries seem to be doing better. July is going to be ugly. Now Texas will not release hospital data, and the lieutenant governor thinks he is smarter than Fauci. And here we are Approximately 1% of the US population has been infected and of those, about 4% had died Where did I read that it took only 28 days to reach the 3rd million cases? Is it too much to predict that by the end of the month there'll be another 1 million? Or more? Could we have 1.5% population infected beginning of August A repeat of our initial testing fiasco is underway, so that may be the only thing that keeps the numbers down.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 13, 2020 21:52:07 GMT -5
This is geometric growth at its best. People want to ignore math, but it doesn’t lie. Fauci said it could result in 100k cases a day if we do not do what is necessary. But we still argue nonsenses; masks are a communistic plot. Other countries seem to be doing better. July is going to be ugly. Now Texas will not release hospital data, and the lieutenant governor thinks he is smarter than Fauci. And here we are Approximately 1% of the US population has been infected and of those, about 4% had died Where did I read that it took only 28 days to reach the 3rd million cases? Is it too much to predict that by the end of the month there'll be another 1 million? Or more? Could we have 1.5% population infected beginning of August Looking at Worldometers, it looks like it took 6 weeks to get from 1 million to 2 million, 4 weeks from 2 to 3 million, and in 8 days we are nearly another half a million up - tomorrow should hit it. Get from 3 to 4 million in 2 weeks?
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Spellbound454
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 14, 2020 2:36:02 GMT -5
We have just gone to mandatory face coverings in shops.......... they are already mandatory on public transport..........with £100 fines. There is a hue and cry ..."I cant stand anything on my face".... but if not worn they can't go shopping, so tough (those little blue ones aren't that uncomfortable anyway) and wash hands when its taken off.... (in case the virus is on the mask)
The Science has changed. Japan wears face coverings anyway....... and their pandemic has been less than 1000 deaths for 126 million population. The Germans reckon is has saved infections by 40% Asymptomatic is thought to be 1:3....and these people can, and do spread the virus without knowing it.
............And given we now know................. the virus can stay active in the air for one hour
these are not things that can be ignored. If its any consolation..... The US infection rate, (high as it is)..... seems to be in younger people than it was initially. We know how to protect our oldies better..... and are still doing it.
Plus practitioners are more familiar with the virus... and they have treatments and strategies.
The death rate, and its still a very dangerous virus with every death a tragedy......... may not be as high as it was in the first stages. Seems there are positive steps we can take to protect ourselves........................ and we must do it.
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Post by oped on Jul 14, 2020 6:05:53 GMT -5
My issue is that death rate isn’t everything. This is causing significant, systemic, lasting complications in some severe cases that survive. And we know nothing about long term impact.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 14, 2020 6:53:47 GMT -5
Yes and even some people with a mild infection........ are getting a post viral illness that can go on many weeks/months. There is ongoing research but it may be a while before we start getting answers.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 14, 2020 7:50:14 GMT -5
My issue is that death rate isn’t everything. This is causing significant, systemic, lasting complications in some severe cases that survive. And we know nothing about long term impact. True. I am more worried about my kids getting some kind of lasting damage. Especially my son, who is an athlete. He has a friend who has been short of breath for over a week. I haven't heard the results of his test.
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Post by anciana on Jul 14, 2020 10:17:18 GMT -5
My issue is that death rate isn’t everything. This is causing significant, systemic, lasting complications in some severe cases that survive. And we know nothing about long term impact. True. I am more worried about my kids getting some kind of lasting damage. Especially my son, who is an athlete. He has a friend who has been short of breath for over a week. I haven't heard the results of his test.
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