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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 8, 2020 14:07:07 GMT -5
With the number at 3M, it is highly likely you know someone who has tested positive. Depending on your friend's social media habits, you may not have been informed. But you probably know someone. I know one, but haven't heard of anyone else that is someone I know personally. My son has two friends that are sick and waiting test results. Both athletes, both having lung/breathing issues. It would break my heart if they have permanent damage from this. One guy was thinking he would go pro - he was supposed to move to Brazil this summer. I'm not 100% convinced his assessment of his own skills were accurate - but, he is very good. Several people at my job have tested positive. One of them was hospitalized with pneumonia in both lungs. As far as I know, she’s still recovering. My immediate supervisor has it and has been in the hospital since last week. One of my coworker’s Mom died from it a couple weeks ago. And this last weekend, my best friend’s Mom died from it. So yes, I personally know people who tested positive but had no or mild symptoms, people that were very ill with it, and someone who died from it. Your experience can't be true, because it is either a hoax, benign in that 99% of people have no problems, it's just a bad flu, it is going to disappear, etc. So many explanations, can't keep them all straight. Seriously, sorry for all the loses and seriously ill colleagues and friends. We haven't seen the last of it, given the situation across the south and southwest
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 8, 2020 14:22:28 GMT -5
I believe the latest is...
The death rate is going down, therefore, nothing to see here. Everyone go about your merry way.
Fox news uses the word Fearmongering about the CV, but they are doing everything they can to tell you there are violent mobs in the streets, and they are mostly made of black people.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 8, 2020 14:42:20 GMT -5
I believe the latest is... The death rate is going down, therefore, nothing to see here. Everyone go about your merry way. Fox news uses the word Fearmongering about the CV, but they are doing everything they can to tell you there are violent mobs in the streets, and they are mostly made of black people. The death rate meme won't last the month, as ICUs all over Florida, parts of texas, and Arizona are at capacity. They will need to go back to they didn't die of covid, and the doctors are lying and saying everybody died of it. It's unfortunate that people are too stupid to see how if they have to keep changing the story, maybe they are the ones lying.
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Post by oped on Jul 8, 2020 16:16:42 GMT -5
It has been 2 or 3 weeks since Trump's rallies. I haven't seen anything that says there were many cases related to those. We heard a couple of campaign people tested positive, and I think a reporter. But not a pile of cases that is traceable back to either rally. Are the conservatives right? Are we putting in restrictions that are too restrictive? This probably as close as we'll get. "President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Tulsa that drew thousands of people in late June, along with large protests that accompanied it, “likely contributed” to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases, Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart said Wednesday." apnews.com/ad96548245e186382225818d8dc416eb
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Post by Opti on Jul 8, 2020 16:30:43 GMT -5
In the last month, OK r has risen to 1.3, among the highest in the country, and increase started right around the time of the rally I understand that. But we don't seemnto have proof that the rally contributed. It was already on its up. It is more likely that just generally being opened up, with millions of people milling around contributed more than 6,000 people going to one place. But, you would think that is something they would ask a person who tested positive, and we would know if there was a cluster there. I am not disputing that we are spreading it. I am asking for actual proof that people who went to the rallies are infected at a higher rate than the gen pop. I think proof or even some data on the rallies will be far in the future, if we get it. We are less than a week past two weeks after the June 20th rally. Some people take longer to develop the virus and you have all the paperwork people signed to go to the rallies. They might wait to get tested, and are probably unlikely to advertise if they believe the rally was the determining factor if they get the virus. Say November after Biden wins, some folks might be more likely to say something. Oklahoma is spiking. Its just not as noticeable as Florida, Arizona or even Louisiana. Check out the daily new cases graph. Using the 3 day option it is clear its heading up even if you want to see yesterday's daily case count of 858 as an outlier. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/oklahoma/
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 8, 2020 18:20:50 GMT -5
It has been 2 or 3 weeks since Trump's rallies. I haven't seen anything that says there were many cases related to those. We heard a couple of campaign people tested positive, and I think a reporter. But not a pile of cases that is traceable back to either rally. Are the conservatives right? Are we putting in restrictions that are too restrictive? Tulsa sees Covid-19 surge in the wake of Trump's June rally The city of Tulsa is experiencing a surge in coronavirus cases, a little over 2 weeks after President Donald Trump held a campaign rally in an indoor arena there. Dr. Bruce Dart, Executive Director of the Tulsa Health Department, said in a press conference on Wednesday there are high numbers being reported this week, with nearly 500 new cases in two days and trends are showing that those numbers will increase. There had been a 20% decline in new Covid-19 cases the week of June 28 through July 4. www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/us/tulsa-covid-trump-rally-contact-tracers-trnd/index.html
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 9, 2020 11:59:49 GMT -5
I believe the latest is... The death rate is going down, therefore, nothing to see here. Everyone go about your merry way. Fox news uses the word Fearmongering about the CV, but they are doing everything they can to tell you there are violent mobs in the streets, and they are mostly made of black people. only problem is.....it isn't.
the death rate has been level for the last few weeks, and is rising now.
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Post by Opti on Jul 9, 2020 12:17:18 GMT -5
It was edging down but it looks like its on its start to edge up. Given our recent case counts, the number of deaths are going to rise. Plus whatever slowdowns various states implemented recently probably won't impact the case counts for 10 days to two weeks. Florida, Texas, and Arizona are still generating significant new cases numbers. Arizona has had a rapid rise in the states with the most cases. Today it moved into #7 of the top ten. Because of the death rate lag, I expect things will start to ramp up soon and for at least several weeks.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 9, 2020 13:32:15 GMT -5
the last two days are a four week high in 48 hour death rate. this falls in line with expectations, given the higher caseload for the last couple of weeks.
we are running 3x our number of cases per day at the nadir.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 9, 2020 17:21:59 GMT -5
So a question for the medical people. If this virus continues to run unchecked, will there be some point where enough of the population has had COVID and either died or survived and become immune, creating the herd effect on the remaining population? (The immune people preventing the virus spreading) ?
Has it been determined that you become immune (and remain immune) once you’ve recovered, or is the immunity short lived?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 9, 2020 17:31:17 GMT -5
So a question for the medical people. If this virus continues to run unchecked, will there be some point where enough of the population has had COVID and either died or survived and become immune, creating the herd effect on the remaining population? (The immune people preventing the virus spreading) ? Has it been determined that you become immune (and remain immune) once you’ve recovered, or is the immunity short lived? At the previous rate of infection, herd immunity would take 3 years. At our current rate, it will still take 2 years. We have no clear proof that people cannot be reinfected. We can be reinfected by the other human coronaviruses, as the immunity wanes. These viruses cause colds. So the concern is that we could have a less than long lasting immunity. So research continues
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 9, 2020 17:56:46 GMT -5
I think herd immunity is out of the question There has been a good Serology study in Spain .... and despite having a really bad infection their prevalence is still only 5% for the population. They conclude with this. "One in three infections seems to be asymptomatic, while a substantial number of symptomatic cases remained untested. Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide herd immunity. This cannot be achieved without accepting the collateral damage of many deaths in the susceptible population and overburdening of health systems." Too many people would have to die. Having had symptoms, you may get some temporary immunity ... but by the time it takes to get enough people infected for herd immunity (and your health system is trashed) the original infectees may have lost their immunity..... and it will have to start again.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 9, 2020 18:26:22 GMT -5
.....not to mention that many will refuse a vaccination once it becomes available. 'Nanobots and chips and the Mark of the Beast, and a genocidal plot by Bill Gates and the communists" dontcha know?
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Post by dondub on Jul 9, 2020 18:31:38 GMT -5
Our Constitution allows them the freedom and liberty to become Darwin Award winners because they think Bill Gates is inserting the mark of the beast into the virus vaccine. Heaven awaits you idiot mofo’s.☠️
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 9, 2020 18:31:46 GMT -5
I think herd immunity is out of the question There has been a good Serology study in Spain .... and despite having a really bad infection their prevalence is still only 5% for the population. They conclude with this. "One in three infections seems to be asymptomatic, while a substantial number of symptomatic cases remained untested. Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide herd immunity. This cannot be achieved without accepting the collateral damage of many deaths in the susceptible population and overburdening of health systems." Too many people would have to die. Having had symptoms, you may get some temporary immunity ... but by the time it takes to get enough people infected for herd immunity (and your health system is trashed) the original infectees may have lost their immunity..... and it will have to start again.
You obviously forgot about our idiotic president. His plan is to have us all get infected at once, this way we. Will have herd immunity. Who cares how many die
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Post by azucena on Jul 9, 2020 18:40:30 GMT -5
So a question for the medical people. If this virus continues to run unchecked, will there be some point where enough of the population has had COVID and either died or survived and become immune, creating the herd effect on the remaining population? (The immune people preventing the virus spreading) ? Has it been determined that you become immune (and remain immune) once you’ve recovered, or is the immunity short lived? At the previous rate of infection, herd immunity would take 3 years. At our current rate, it will still take 2 years. We have no clear proof that people cannot be reinfected. We can be reinfected by the other human coronaviruses, as the immunity wanes. These viruses cause colds. So the concern is that we could have a less than long lasting immunity. So research continues Has anyone been proven to be reinfected yet? If not, it seems the more time passes that someone isn't is good, right?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 9, 2020 19:08:30 GMT -5
At the previous rate of infection, herd immunity would take 3 years. At our current rate, it will still take 2 years. We have no clear proof that people cannot be reinfected. We can be reinfected by the other human coronaviruses, as the immunity wanes. These viruses cause colds. So the concern is that we could have a less than long lasting immunity. So research continues Has anyone been proven to be reinfected yet? If not, it seems the more time passes that someone isn't is good, right? There have been claims that it has happened, but it has not been proven conclusively
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 10, 2020 19:37:33 GMT -5
We broke 70k cases on worldometers. Way to go Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, and Arizona. I’m sure we can get to 80k by the end of next week if we keep it up. Especially Florida, because there seems to be a special brand of stupid, and I think you have won the worst governor contest. It was quite a contest, but distant is seemed determined to win
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We broke 70k cases on worldometers. Way to go Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, and Arizona. I’m sure we can get to 80k by the end of next week if we keep it up. Especially Florida, because there seems to be a special brand of stupid, and I think you have won the worst governor contest. It was quite a contest, but distant is seemed determined to win My son is visiting from one of the states you mentioned. He’s been here for almost a month now, so I’m pretty sure he didn’t bring the virus home with him. But reading what’s going on now in the state he lives in, I’m in no hurry for him to return. His job went poof, so it’s not like there’s an urgent need for him to return. It’s not sunshine and roses where I live, but we aren’t quite as bad as some of the other areas in the country. So far, for whatever that’s worth.
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Post by oped on Jul 10, 2020 19:49:35 GMT -5
Take those top 5 states out and we are still over 30K a day... which used to be a record... its getting worse in a lot of places, albeit slower.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 10, 2020 20:02:56 GMT -5
Take those top 5 states out and we are still over 30K a day... which used to be a record... its getting worse in a lot of places, albeit slower. That was always going to happen as it spread more widely. But yes, lots of other states aren’t doing so well. In the spring, you had that number concentrated in a much smaller population
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 10, 2020 20:42:01 GMT -5
We broke 70k cases on worldometers. Way to go Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, and Arizona. I’m sure we can get to 80k by the end of next week if we keep it up. Especially Florida, because there seems to be a special brand of stupid, and I think you have won the worst governor contest. It was quite a contest, but distant is seemed determined to win If Texas, California, Florida keep up this daily pace, they will all overtake NY in cases by the end of the month.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 10, 2020 20:48:56 GMT -5
We broke 70k cases on worldometers. Way to go Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, and Arizona. I’m sure we can get to 80k by the end of next week if we keep it up. Especially Florida, because there seems to be a special brand of stupid, and I think you have won the worst governor contest. It was quite a contest, but distant is seemed determined to win If Texas, California, Florida keep up this daily pace, they will all overtake NY in cases by the end of the month. MAGA
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Post by lynnerself on Jul 10, 2020 22:11:02 GMT -5
Can anyone explain why it's worse in the south and west? It's not like most of the midwest isn't opened just as much.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 10, 2020 23:41:54 GMT -5
Can anyone explain why it's worse in the south and west? It's not like most of the midwest isn't opened just as much. It is likely worse in the South because people are fundamentally stupid, particularly those who take their lead from the criminally stupid such as the president. I would not necessarily say it is worse in the West. Arizona is bad, but California despite its high number of cases is still right in the middle of states when ranked by cases per million of population. Iowa and Nebraska, for instance, have low numbers of cases but are in the top 15 when ranked per capita. Washington's case numbers have been rising, but they are still in the bottom quarter when ranked per capita. It is not simply the raw number that must be looked at. Also, population density is a very important factor. Most midwest states do not have high population densities which will keep their overall numbers lower.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 10, 2020 23:46:56 GMT -5
Can anyone explain why it's worse in the south and west? It's not like most of the midwest isn't opened just as much. One theory for AZ is the fact that late May we all go inside and sit in the air conditioning. We stay in recycled air until October or so. I hope we can get it under control before then.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 11, 2020 1:07:33 GMT -5
Can anyone explain why it's worse in the south and west? It's not like most of the midwest isn't opened just as much. It is likely worse in the South because people are fundamentally stupid, particularly those who take their lead from the criminally stupid such as the president. I would not necessarily say it is worse in the West. Arizona is bad, but California despite its high number of cases is still right in the middle of states when ranked by cases per million of population. Iowa and Nebraska, for instance, have low numbers of cases but are in the top 15 when ranked per capita. Washington's case numbers have been rising, but they are still in the bottom quarter when ranked per capita. It is not simply the raw number that must be looked at. Also, population density is a very important factor. Most midwest states do not have high population densities which will keep their overall numbers lower. Three months after President Donald Trump suggested ingesting disinfectants as a treatment for coronavirus, a Florida man and his three sons are facing criminal charges for allegedly selling a toxic solution to tens of thousands of people as a cure for Covid-19. Mark Grenon, 62, and his sons, Jonathan, 34, Joseph, 32, and Jordan, 26, all of Bradenton, Florida, supposedly manufactured, promoted, and sold "Miracle Mineral Solution" (MMS), a chemical solution containing sodium chlorite and water, the criminal complaint affidavit says. The men sold the toxic bleach under the guise of Genesis II Church of Health and Healing, an entity they allegedly created in an attempt to avoid government regulation, the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida said in a statement. www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/us/florida-men-coronavirus-cure-trnd/index.html
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Post by Opti on Jul 11, 2020 4:34:11 GMT -5
Can anyone explain why it's worse in the south and west? It's not like most of the midwest isn't opened just as much. I think its too soon to know why IMO. Certainly much of that area runs red, but I think you can't solve the issue of spread until you know why and where most of the problem is. For example, NJ's early cases were concentrated on proximity to NYC. The top area employing New Jerseyans is NYC, not an area in NJ. However 40% of our deaths were concentrated in nursing homes. That was a lesson in closed systems and virus spread. Iowa had meat packing plants. Arizona seems to have its cases concentrated in the Phoenix area and in the 20 to 44 age demographic. www.meatpoultry.com/articles/22993-covid-19-meat-plant-mapwww.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.phpWe need to look at the whys in order to fix the spread. NJ's number in part are going up due to outside travel. There is a strong connection between NJ and Florida. Much of the east coast would have been better off if Trump had closed down travel from Europe instead of China. Currently it is believed that our area was seeded by the more deadly infectious virus from Italy and Europe versus what Washington got from China.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 11, 2020 5:03:06 GMT -5
It is likely worse in the South because people are fundamentally stupid, particularly those who take their lead from the criminally stupid such as the president. I would not necessarily say it is worse in the West. Arizona is bad, but California despite its high number of cases is still right in the middle of states when ranked by cases per million of population. Iowa and Nebraska, for instance, have low numbers of cases but are in the top 15 when ranked per capita. Washington's case numbers have been rising, but they are still in the bottom quarter when ranked per capita. It is not simply the raw number that must be looked at. Also, population density is a very important factor. Most midwest states do not have high population densities which will keep their overall numbers lower. Three months after President Donald Trump suggested ingesting disinfectants as a treatment for coronavirus, a Florida man and his three sons are facing criminal charges for allegedly selling a toxic solution to tens of thousands of people as a cure for Covid-19. Mark Grenon, 62, and his sons, Jonathan, 34, Joseph, 32, and Jordan, 26, all of Bradenton, Florida, supposedly manufactured, promoted, and sold "Miracle Mineral Solution" (MMS), a chemical solution containing sodium chlorite and water, the criminal complaint affidavit says. The men sold the toxic bleach under the guise of Genesis II Church of Health and Healing, an entity they allegedly created in an attempt to avoid government regulation, the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida said in a statement. www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/us/florida-men-coronavirus-cure-trnd/index.htmlThats just bleach and water. It will kill viruses and is a bit of a staple in the home...... everything from norovirus to flu.
I've been using it in the bathroom for as long as I have had a house. As long as you rinse..... and don't drink/inject/ingest/get it in your eyes...... or do anything stupid...... Normal people know how to use this. Its a bit cheeky to bottle and sell as a miracle cure.............. ( I hope they weren't suggesting you drink it, you would burn a hole in your gullet) and its incredibly naive of people........... to not be able to sniff it.... and know what it was.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 11, 2020 5:07:27 GMT -5
I would worried about this..... Can you get hepa filters?
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