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Post by Artemis Windsong on May 2, 2020 14:41:10 GMT -5
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 2, 2020 14:45:25 GMT -5
I'm okay with opening dental and elective surgery back up. Our local hospitals are laying people off in droves because we have not been as hard hit as NYC and without elective surgeries they aren't making any money. Those people have bills to pay too just as much as I do.
I would assume that dentists and doctors are going to be able to assess and advise people on the risks vs rewards of proceeding now vs waiting a bit longer. At the end of the day then it'll be your decision.
I suppose a question I have is how will insurance handle if you get COVID while at the hospital for your elective surgery? Will they cover the costs? Will the hospital or doctors be held liable?
Those are questions for people who are smarter than me to answer but it does have me wondering how that will play out because you know it's going to happen at some point.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 2, 2020 14:46:59 GMT -5
This is nothing new. Tried it with various success. Works ok, main problem is compliance as people don’t stay prone. This has been done for years, just not to this extent
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 2, 2020 15:05:27 GMT -5
Niece who is surgical nurse was told to be on stand by for going back to work on Monday since the hospital can start doing elective surgeries then. She didn't know where she is in the line to return and they needed enough surgeries to justify her coming back Monday.
If I was still suffering with my gall bladder, I'd be would have been willing to risk covid to get that taken out. I felt better when I woke up from surgery than when I went in.
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Post by giramomma on May 3, 2020 18:40:29 GMT -5
Today, we surpassed the number of deaths we were supposed to have on August 4.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 18:53:17 GMT -5
Today, we surpassed the number of deaths we were supposed to have on August 4.
Just where you are or for the entire country? I expect that in a week, Georgia will be climbing again, and in two weeks, Georgia will have spiked to as much as half again as we have right now.
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Post by giramomma on May 3, 2020 21:30:46 GMT -5
Today, we surpassed the number of deaths we were supposed to have on August 4.
Just where you are or for the entire country? I expect that in a week, Georgia will be climbing again, and in two weeks, Georgia will have spiked to as much as half again as we have right now. Just where I am. I do see the number of deaths has been revised upwards though, nationally.
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Post by bean29 on May 4, 2020 11:04:55 GMT -5
Just where you are or for the entire country? I expect that in a week, Georgia will be climbing again, and in two weeks, Georgia will have spiked to as much as half again as we have right now. Just where I am. I do see the number of deaths has been revised upwards though, nationally. So when does the Supreme Court meet to decide to reopen WI? I expect it to go along party lines, so I figure we will either be open by this weekend or before Memorial Day, but it will be soon, as per the legislature's wishes.
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Post by giramomma on May 4, 2020 11:50:12 GMT -5
Just where I am. I do see the number of deaths has been revised upwards though, nationally. So when does the Supreme Court meet to decide to reopen WI? I expect it to go along party lines, so I figure we will either be open by this weekend or before Memorial Day, but it will be soon, as per the legislature's wishes. They are starting this week. The gov's powers to keep the state shut down go through May 11. The legislature is complaining that the shut down is through the 26th, because that extends beyond the gov's 60 days of power. I don't think we'll be open yet this weekend. May 11, I can see. I also think that "being open" on May 11 is going to be pretty iffy. On May 11, I don't really think schools are re-opening. I don't see daycares/preschools reopening because:
1) I don't think folks have plan to reopen, and if they do
2)it's going to be too costly or childcare bushiness are going to have to be more selective. Even for preschool, the student to teacher ratio is 14:1. If we're at the point that kids can only be in groups of 10, that means for every two preschool classes, a third teacher must be hired. I'm not sure how practical it is to hire temporary workers for 3 weeks..Or, the business gets to decide who out of the 28 kids is going to get into 20 slots, and 8 families are SOL.
Now, I could see in-home babysitting taking off. I also can see it being as cut throat as the housing market was. Desperate people willing to pay anything to get back to work. It's typical to pay college kids 15-20+hour for childcare in non-pandemic times. That could go up in a bidding war. Which will leave average income earners in a lurch.
Summer care is going to be an issue, too. Either places are closed or still have no idea what they are doing in June.
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Post by bean29 on May 4, 2020 12:37:22 GMT -5
I gave a great niece that has epilepsy, and it has been pretty hard to control over the last year. My Mom told me today that niece and nephew are not leaving house at all. My DS does all their Grocery shopping. DN does some kind of job training/internship/development and co-ordination for local school districts. It must be commission based b/c he works for multiple schools. His wife does sales for a printing company.
Word is their kids will not be allowed to return to school in fall. Her parents babysit. They have a very short list of people who can stay with the kids b/c they may need to give meds if DD has seizure. My Mom was wondering how DN would return to work if they needed to keep strict quarantine, but, he may need to sleep in basement or something.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 4, 2020 12:39:15 GMT -5
Interesting article www.cnn.com/2020/05/02/opinions/us-can-learn-from-asia-sachs/index.htmlVietnam has succeeded, for example, with contact tracing and an aggressive quarantine regime. When one person is confirmed positive, many of his or her close contacts -- even those without symptoms -- are isolated. As a result, Vietnam tested only a moderate number of people as a share of the population because it managed to contain outbreaks so effectively. Vietnam, with about 95 million people, has not reported a single Covid-19 death so far.
But we're 'Merica and we can't learn nothing from those Asian countries! What they did cannot possibly work in a country like ours!
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 13:30:33 GMT -5
Interesting article www.cnn.com/2020/05/02/opinions/us-can-learn-from-asia-sachs/index.htmlVietnam has succeeded, for example, with contact tracing and an aggressive quarantine regime. When one person is confirmed positive, many of his or her close contacts -- even those without symptoms -- are isolated. As a result, Vietnam tested only a moderate number of people as a share of the population because it managed to contain outbreaks so effectively. Vietnam, with about 95 million people, has not reported a single Covid-19 death so far.
But we're 'Merica and we can't learn nothing from those Asian countries! What they did cannot possibly work in a country like ours! I do not think what they did would work here because people would not comply, not that it is not effective. But yes, we could learn for others. Did you see that the administration accused China of hoarding supplies yesterday> They are going to share the vaccine if an AMerican Company has the first one, right? Or is it still America first?
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 4, 2020 13:31:39 GMT -5
What worked in Vietnam and other Asian countries would work just fine in our country, but certain groups would never allow it.
Remember what a big deal it was when some state government tried to require someone who had been working with Ebola patients to stay in her house? Do you think it's going to be any different if the state requires someone who may have been exposed to Covid-19 to do the same?
And it would be pretty easy to track everyone's cellphone data to determine who has had contact with who, but privacy advocates would have a field day with that.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 13:38:17 GMT -5
What worked in Vietnam and other Asian countries would work just fine in our country, but certain groups would never allow it. Remember what a big deal it was when some state government tried to require someone who had been working with Ebola patients to stay in her house? Do you think it's going to be any different if the state requires someone who may have been exposed to Covid-19 to do the same? And it would be pretty easy to track everyone's cellphone data to determine who has had contact with who, but privacy advocates would have a field day with that. Do you not understand the difference in how Ebola vs this spreads. If you are going to make a point, you should at least understand it. And it appears to be that people in more conservative areas are having problems with restrictions, or did you miss the news out of OK over the weekend. So, it is not only privacy advocates who have a problem, as they didn't threaten to shoot someone
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Post by thyme4change on May 4, 2020 13:43:10 GMT -5
What worked in Vietnam and other Asian countries would work just fine in our country, but certain groups would never allow it. Remember what a big deal it was when some state government tried to require someone who had been working with Ebola patients to stay in her house? Do you think it's going to be any different if the state requires someone who may have been exposed to Covid-19 to do the same? And it would be pretty easy to track everyone's cellphone data to determine who has had contact with who, but privacy advocates would have a field day with that. I'm kinda in agreement with the privacy advocates here. I know that Facebook and Google already know where I am at all times. But it just seems wrong to me to have the government trace everyone I talk to.
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Post by giramomma on May 4, 2020 14:07:20 GMT -5
What worked in Vietnam and other Asian countries would work just fine in our country, but certain groups would never allow it. Remember what a big deal it was when some state government tried to require someone who had been working with Ebola patients to stay in her house? Do you think it's going to be any different if the state requires someone who may have been exposed to Covid-19 to do the same? And it would be pretty easy to track everyone's cellphone data to determine who has had contact with who, but privacy advocates would have a field day with that. I'm kinda in agreement with the privacy advocates here. I know that Facebook and Google already know where I am at all times. But it just seems wrong to me to have the government trace everyone I talk to. Apples and oranges comparison. You can directly control how much Facebook tracks you. You can chose not to use it. How do you choose not to get sick?
I also don't think that using Facebook, or not using it for that matter, has the same sort of implications that getting Covid19 does. Opening up the economy faster, with better knowledge, does not hinge on whether or not we use Facebook, does it?
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Post by jerseygirl on May 4, 2020 14:23:47 GMT -5
I'm kinda in agreement with the privacy advocates here. I know that Facebook and Google already know where I am at all times. But it just seems wrong to me to have the government trace everyone I talk to. Apples and oranges comparison. You can directly control how much Facebook tracks you. You can chose not to use it. How do you choose not to get sick?
I also don't think that using Facebook, or not using it for that matter, has the same sort of implications that getting Covid19 does. Opening up the economy faster, with better knowledge, does not hinge on whether or not we use Facebook, does it?
In South Korea the government was given rights to everyone’s credit cards and phone GPS for tracking during Covid 19 pandemic. SK had gone through the SARS epidemic in 2003 and put into place aggressive tracking ability so ready when Covid 19 arrived. Yes I doubt people in the US would agree in large numbers for this. Also privacy laws such as HIPPA probably would need to be changed
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Post by movingforward on May 4, 2020 14:26:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I have no desire for the government to have rights to my credit card or phone GPS.
I actually keep the location of my phone turned off until I need to use it. I don't care for google to have that information either. They have enough information. I'm not feeding them more...
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 4, 2020 14:28:01 GMT -5
Apples and oranges comparison. You can directly control how much Facebook tracks you. You can chose not to use it. How do you choose not to get sick?
I also don't think that using Facebook, or not using it for that matter, has the same sort of implications that getting Covid19 does. Opening up the economy faster, with better knowledge, does not hinge on whether or not we use Facebook, does it?
In South Korea the government was given rights to everyone’s credit cards and phone GPS for tracking during Covid 19 pandemic. SK had gone through the SARS epidemic in 2003 and put into place aggressive tracking ability so ready when Covid 29 arrived. Yes I doubt people in the US would agree in large numbers for this. Also privacy laws such as HIPPA probably would need to be changed HIPAA has nothing to do with this. This is a reportable disease by statute, so we have to report every positive test. Public health department takes it from there using public health laws. Reason to use what SK did is to get a more complete picture of the persons travel, and more accurate, since the incubation period is up to 2 weeks. Do you remember everywhere you went and everyone you interacted with for the past 2 weeks? The more accurate a picture they have, the better able to do contact tracing and find new cases.
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Post by jerseygirl on May 4, 2020 14:33:54 GMT -5
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 4, 2020 14:42:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I have no desire for the government to have rights to my credit card or phone GPS.
I actually keep the location of my phone turned off until I need to use it. I don't care for google to have that information either. They have enough information. I'm not feeding them more...
Same here. It drives me nuts that Google listens in on my verbal, off-phone, conversations.
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 4, 2020 15:04:34 GMT -5
So when does the Supreme Court meet to decide to reopen WI? I expect it to go along party lines, so I figure we will either be open by this weekend or before Memorial Day, but it will be soon, as per the legislature's wishes. They are starting this week. The gov's powers to keep the state shut down go through May 11. The legislature is complaining that the shut down is through the 26th, because that extends beyond the gov's 60 days of power. I don't think we'll be open yet this weekend. May 11, I can see. I also think that "being open" on May 11 is going to be pretty iffy. On May 11, I don't really think schools are re-opening. I don't see daycares/preschools reopening because:
1) I don't think folks have plan to reopen, and if they do
2)it's going to be too costly or childcare bushiness are going to have to be more selective. Even for preschool, the student to teacher ratio is 14:1. If we're at the point that kids can only be in groups of 10, that means for every two preschool classes, a third teacher must be hired. I'm not sure how practical it is to hire temporary workers for 3 weeks..Or, the business gets to decide who out of the 28 kids is going to get into 20 slots, and 8 families are SOL.
Now, I could see in-home babysitting taking off. I also can see it being as cut throat as the housing market was. Desperate people willing to pay anything to get back to work. It's typical to pay college kids 15-20+hour for childcare in non-pandemic times. That could go up in a bidding war. Which will leave average income earners in a lurch.
Summer care is going to be an issue, too. Either places are closed or still have no idea what they are doing in June.
Can the legislature force the schools to reopen?
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Post by giramomma on May 4, 2020 15:34:33 GMT -5
Can the legislature force the schools to reopen? We have a republican leaning state supreme court. If the court rules the legislature can force schools open..well, the court has ruled..I can't imagine that evers would appeal.
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 4, 2020 15:42:32 GMT -5
Our schools were closed (in person) for the year before spring break, which was around April 1. I was bummed, but glad to have a definitive answer. There is remote learning happening for the rest of the school year, but the seniors we're done as of May 1, which seems a little early. The remote stuff is more focused on keeping current skills than learning anything new. I'm okay with that. I'm teaching a little to the kids just as things come up. Just this morning, I was explaining the difference between a square foot and a cubic foot to my 4th grader. Last night, my first grader was looking at his reflection in a spoon, so we explained about concave and convex.
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 4, 2020 15:56:40 GMT -5
Can the legislature force the schools to reopen? We have a republican leaning state supreme court. If the court rules the legislature can force schools open..well, the court has ruled..I can't imagine that evers would appeal.
I knew about the republican leaning Supreme Court and that's why we had the elections. I can't imagine any schools would be prepared to open in the next 2 weeks, and it really doesn't make sense with only about a month left. They would be total jack@sses to reopen schools. Most schools across the nation are closed for the rest of this semester. How could they run the buses? I think Evers would appeal it
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 4, 2020 16:03:34 GMT -5
although children are low risk as a group - some children are not, and some may die even though there was no known risk factor.
I think parents will need to decide if they are willing to send the kids to school - if indeed - the schools open.
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Post by bean29 on May 4, 2020 16:09:21 GMT -5
We have a republican leaning state supreme court. If the court rules the legislature can force schools open..well, the court has ruled..I can't imagine that evers would appeal.
I knew about the republican leaning Supreme Court and that's why we had the elections. I can't imagine any schools would be prepared to open in the next 2 weeks, and it really doesn't make sense with only about a month left. They would be total jack@sses to reopen schools. Most schools across the nation are closed for the rest of this semester. How could they run the buses? I think Evers would appeal it They are worried about 1) Re-election (Preserving the Republican Majority) but I think all elected officials are putting undue influence on the election over people's health and their lives. 2) The Economy. I agree the economy is important, but people's lives are important too. There are not groups of people that are expendable (like people who live in nursing homes, people in prisons, people who work in meat packing plants and other factories). I pray that we find an appropriate way forward.
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 4, 2020 16:21:17 GMT -5
What if one of those kids has a parent that works in a nursing home, hospital, etc and that child asymptomatic. Then they have taken it into the schools? I don't know if pulmonarymd has kids, but if so, would he send his kids back to school?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 4, 2020 16:49:38 GMT -5
although children are low risk as a group - some children are not, and some may die even though there was no known risk factor. I think parents will need to decide if they are willing to send the kids to school - if indeed - the schools open. Children are the worst sort of vector. It isn’t so much that they get diseased, but that they bring disease home to those that are more susceptible. Because most do not have boundaries, it’s even more likely to get worse. That does not even account for the teachers, staff and administrators that kids have access to on a daily basis in school.
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