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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 25, 2020 14:51:18 GMT -5
In Spain after 6 weeks of lockdown , children under 14 will now be allowed to be out of house for one hour between 9am to 9pm within a km of their home. No playgrounds and must be one adult with 3 kids, need to wear masks and social distance Health minister warned not to be too euphoric
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 25, 2020 15:14:14 GMT -5
Iowa had the highest number of positive cases yesterday. Today's numbers topped that.
Yes, a lot of it is because of the testing at the meat packing plants, but not all of it.
Our governor said Friday she is going to announce reopening plans on Monday (even though we never officially shut down).
With her crazy metrics and ever changing standards and a website that hasn't been updated since Thursday, people feel like she is just make things up as she goes along. She is failing miserably, imo.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Apr 25, 2020 15:27:47 GMT -5
Shit, I just lost a post I was typing.
Michigan numbers are looking much better today, only 562 more cases. The last few days have been horrible, so I'll be happy for now. Doubling rate is now stretched out to 18 days. The governor eased up on the restrictions that supposedly pissed so many people off. They're still not happy, saying the numbers are all a ruse because the governor is on a power trip. Because, governors have shutdowns just because, and the same thing isn't happening in any other place in the country/world.
I should just quit reading that rubbish on FB.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 26, 2020 9:04:51 GMT -5
Been reading about Nebraska allowing resturants to open but only at 50% capacity. They are understandably frustrated because "it's up them if they want to open" but a lot of them are not going to be able to open up the dining area and pay the bills at only 50% capacity. The one they quoted said by the time they follow all the restrictions they will only have 10 tables but yet their overhead costs are for a place that holds much more than that. So many of them are considering staying closed or continuing with take out/delivery only so their overhead remains low and they can continue to float along until they can open 100%. BUT if they do that then they could lose business to those who say screw it and open. I know I am supposed to shrug my shoulders and say "that's captialism" but I can't. What a sucky position to be in as a business owner.
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Post by oped on Apr 26, 2020 9:21:21 GMT -5
The other issue becomes, if you have the choice to open, does all aid go away? Do you now have to pay for keeping employees unemployed? Do loan and other aid programs disappear... because you COULD technically be open...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 26, 2020 9:29:49 GMT -5
I am pretty convinced that that and getting people off UE before they can really start collecting their full benefits is the main drive for all these states pushing to reopen things as fast as they are. According to one model (and yes I recognize models are made by humans and are only good as the numbers they put in) says Iowa and Nebraska have no business opening until at the very earliest June. But then they have to pay 40,000+ people UE. That has got to kill Nebraska which does everything in their power to prevent you from getting it during normal times. I was reading about one bar owner who has decided to open because he needs to pay bills but has told all his employees to remain home. He said it's one thing to risk myself for my business it's another to expect my employees. AND he is still paying them. That is someone who deserved a small business loan, not places like Harvard and Ruth Christie's.
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Post by Opti on Apr 26, 2020 9:43:54 GMT -5
DQ, have you done further reading on funds? I just found two articles that were 2 and 3 days old. One is that the original bill was to provide relief to needy students through their schools including Ivys and the second that Harvard has already refused the money. I personally hope that those on major scholarships to the Ivys do not have to drop out due to lack of funding.
Lastly, the small business loans and the loans to colleges were in different money pools.
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 26, 2020 12:22:08 GMT -5
Older son is orthopedic surgeon in NJ. No elective surgeries, only emergency and fewer of them because fewer car accidents His salary just cut 80% , actually most of his pay is bonus and that’s no happening this year. Hospitals also in big trouble
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Post by giramomma on Apr 26, 2020 12:56:00 GMT -5
I posted elsewhere. But in my neck of the woods, elective procedures are ramping back up. FIL gets a colonoscopy in a few days. Got tested yesterday or maybe this morning.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 26, 2020 14:24:08 GMT -5
Iowa can start performing elective procedures tomorrow as long as they have enough PPE to treat covid patients.
Article in today's paper said the two hospitals here are being very cautious and didn't sound like they are in a hurry to do many procedures.
Article also said ER visits are down 50% at both of the ERs in town and that people are waiting until they are in a full blown medical crisis before coming in. Having heart attack symptoms for a couple of weeks and not going because of fear of covid and then having to go in while having a heart attack.
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 26, 2020 15:10:45 GMT -5
Iowa can start performing elective procedures tomorrow as long as they have enough PPE to treat covid patients. Article in today's paper said the two hospitals here are being very cautious and didn't sound like they are in a hurry to do many procedures. Article also said ER visits are down 50% at both of the ERs in town and that people are waiting until they are in a full blown medical crisis before coming in. Having heart attack symptoms for a couple of weeks and not going because of fear of covid and then having to go in while having a heart attack. Part of the balance to be weighed - Covid lock down and other health issues
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 26, 2020 15:24:02 GMT -5
I am seeing rescheduled hip replacements popping up in my groups. Some are in early May, bu5 it probably depends on wher3 you are in cases. I don’t think any have been scheduled in WA yet.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 26, 2020 15:28:53 GMT -5
Iowa can start performing elective procedures tomorrow as long as they have enough PPE to treat covid patients. Article in today's paper said the two hospitals here are being very cautious and didn't sound like they are in a hurry to do many procedures. Article also said ER visits are down 50% at both of the ERs in town and that people are waiting until they are in a full blown medical crisis before coming in. Having heart attack symptoms for a couple of weeks and not going because of fear of covid and then having to go in while having a heart attack. There was a stupid blurb on the news last night that one of the pediatric journals submitted an article that vaccination rates were down 42%. What was really interesting is that another group I am in was discussing how their peds have cancelled well child visits, rescheduling them for a few months out. I didn’t go looking for the article, the newscast implied that the reason was that parents were shying off vaccination.....when in reality, offices were rescheduling a few months out.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 26, 2020 16:11:12 GMT -5
Iowa can start performing elective procedures tomorrow as long as they have enough PPE to treat covid patients. Article in today's paper said the two hospitals here are being very cautious and didn't sound like they are in a hurry to do many procedures. Article also said ER visits are down 50% at both of the ERs in town and that people are waiting until they are in a full blown medical crisis before coming in. Having heart attack symptoms for a couple of weeks and not going because of fear of covid and then having to go in while having a heart attack. There was a stupid blurb on the news last night that one of the pediatric journals submitted an article that vaccination rates were down 42%. What was really interesting is that another group I am in was discussing how their peds have cancelled well child visits, rescheduling them for a few months out. I didn’t go looking for the article, the newscast implied that the reason was that parents were shying off vaccination.....when in reality, offices were rescheduling a few months out. Sloppy reporting
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 26, 2020 16:14:38 GMT -5
There was a stupid blurb on the news last night that one of the pediatric journals submitted an article that vaccination rates were down 42%. What was really interesting is that another group I am in was discussing how their peds have cancelled well child visits, rescheduling them for a few months out. I didn’t go looking for the article, the newscast implied that the reason was that parents were shying off vaccination.....when in reality, offices were rescheduling a few months out. Sloppy reporting If it was an article in a Peds journal, it was a sloppy article too. I could t believe it got airtime.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 19:06:13 GMT -5
When a state says businesses can open, workers/small business owners can no longer collect unemployment. This forces people to open their business if they don't have the money to stay home longer because they will lose UI.
I'm sorry, but over 2,000 more people died yesterday, and likely the same or more today. Last month we had 2000 total deaths and in one month are now up to nearly 55,000 deaths.
The government has no business forcing people to put themselves at risk working for businesses like sit-down restaurants and bowling alleys that are hardly essential.
The freaking IRS knows who every American is. They should have issued that $600 a week crap directly instead of dumping it on the state UI systems they had to know weren't designed for it.
In Oregon, SE/1099 people are not even expected to be paid until 3-5 weeks from now and they just started a limited pilot program to figure out how to do it! They haven't had a way to approve those types of workers until late last week.
Trump wants a big economy for reelection. Instead, he's going to get a skyrocketing death toll.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 27, 2020 8:08:48 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but over 2,000 more people died yesterday, and likely the same or more today. Last month we had 2000 total deaths and in one month are now up to nearly 55,000 deaths. What I'm trying to reconcile is the number of deaths now to where we are supposed to be in august. 67K deaths by August 4, with full sip through the end of May. I know models aren't perfect, but I would think potentially hitting that milestone by May 15 vs. August 4 would make people notice.
I don't know if it means SIP was all for nothing and we should have been like sweden or opening things up now is too much.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 27, 2020 9:20:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but over 2,000 more people died yesterday, and likely the same or more today. Last month we had 2000 total deaths and in one month are now up to nearly 55,000 deaths. What I'm trying to reconcile is the number of deaths now to where we are supposed to be in august. 67K deaths by August 4, with full sip through the end of May. I know models aren't perfect, but I would think potentially hitting that milestone by May 15 vs. August 4 would make people notice.
I don't know if it means SIP was all for nothing and we should have been like sweden or opening things up now is too much.
SIP was never meant to do anything other than prevent a NYC like disaster happen in multiple areas. Medical resources are limited, and trying to avoid overwhelming them was the goal. Seems to have worked except in New York. Everyone sick at the same time would be too disruptive
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Post by giramomma on Apr 27, 2020 9:25:23 GMT -5
What I'm trying to reconcile is the number of deaths now to where we are supposed to be in august. 67K deaths by August 4, with full sip through the end of May. I know models aren't perfect, but I would think potentially hitting that milestone by May 15 vs. August 4 would make people notice.
I don't know if it means SIP was all for nothing and we should have been like sweden or opening things up now is too much.
SIP was never meant to do anything other than prevent a NYC like disaster happen in multiple areas. Medical resources are limited, and trying to avoid overwhelming them was the goal. Seems to have worked except in New York. Everyone sick at the same time would be too disruptive Makes sense. But are models normally that "off" I honestly don't know. Not a STEM person...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 27, 2020 9:32:10 GMT -5
What I'm trying to reconcile is the number of deaths now to where we are supposed to be in august. 67K deaths by August 4, with full sip through the end of May. I know models aren't perfect, but I would think potentially hitting that milestone by May 15 vs. August 4 would make people notice.
I don't know if it means SIP was all for nothing and we should have been like sweden or opening things up now is too much.
SIP was never meant to do anything other than prevent a NYC like disaster happen in multiple areas. Medical resources are limited, and trying to avoid overwhelming them was the goal. Seems to have worked except in New York. Everyone sick at the same time would be too disruptive I'm aware of that and understand it's quite likely I or someone I know will eventually get it. My concern is that at least according to some models (which I know are not perfect) Iowa and Nebraska haven't even peaked yet. I really don't think it would kill either state to wait another 4 weeks, especially in light of what is going on in all the meat packing plants. But again that would mean paying large sums of UE. So onward we go May 4th. I will wait till June and see how many of those people get sick and overwhelm all the hospitals. I feel like both states are way too cocky about our number of cases. They have started more testing but you have to fill out a stupid questionaire to see if you qualify so there are still large numbers of people walking around untested. We might be fine in the Omaha/CB metro area given how many hospitals are in the area ::knocks on wood:: but the rural areas of both states are screwed if the governors are wrong. At some point I have to accept people are grown adults and can make their own choices. You want to rush out on May 4th be my guest. Just please try not to take me out with you. I'd like to make it to wave 3 or 4 before I get it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 27, 2020 9:32:44 GMT -5
SIP was never meant to do anything other than prevent a NYC like disaster happen in multiple areas. Medical resources are limited, and trying to avoid overwhelming them was the goal. Seems to have worked except in New York. Everyone sick at the same time would be too disruptive Makes sense. But are models normally that "off" I honestly don't know. Not a STEM person...
Models are only as good as the input data. Since this is a new disease, it is not surprising that it is off. Since we have no other way of guessing how it would go, some assumptions are made. Initially, model had 90K dead. Not sure why they lowered it so much.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 27, 2020 9:34:24 GMT -5
Iowa can start performing elective procedures tomorrow as long as they have enough PPE to treat covid patients. Article in today's paper said the two hospitals here are being very cautious and didn't sound like they are in a hurry to do many procedures. Article also said ER visits are down 50% at both of the ERs in town and that people are waiting until they are in a full blown medical crisis before coming in. Having heart attack symptoms for a couple of weeks and not going because of fear of covid and then having to go in while having a heart attack. There was a stupid blurb on the news last night that one of the pediatric journals submitted an article that vaccination rates were down 42%. What was really interesting is that another group I am in was discussing how their peds have cancelled well child visits, rescheduling them for a few months out. I didn’t go looking for the article, the newscast implied that the reason was that parents were shying off vaccination.....when in reality, offices were rescheduling a few months out. My doctor's office called on Friday to tell me that they were rescheduling my almost 12 year old's HPV 2nd vaccination. She's now set for 6/8. I did ask if this would mean she'd need the 3rd shot and they checked and said no.
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Post by lurkyloo on Apr 27, 2020 9:54:00 GMT -5
MD confirmed infection rates have increased to what looks like a new or maybe more accurate level at 800-1000 per day-around 5% daily increase. It does look like number of tests per day has doubled or more, maybe they deployed the SK ones. Positive test rate is down below 15%.
Today and yesterday the deaths number has been 30/31...that’s a step down compared to most of the last two weeks.
I hate watching the data trickle out day by day when it’s jumping around so much.
It feels like we’ve been locked down for so long...why are we still getting so many new cases? Waaaah. #worldstiniestviolin
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Post by movingforward on Apr 27, 2020 10:13:52 GMT -5
MD confirmed infection rates have increased to what looks like a new or maybe more accurate level at 800-1000 per day-around 5% daily increase. It does look like number of tests per day has doubled or more, maybe they deployed the SK ones. Positive test rate is down below 15%. Today and yesterday the deaths number has been 30/31...that’s a step down compared to most of the last two weeks. I hate watching the data trickle out day by day when it’s jumping around so much. It feels like we’ve been locked down for so long...why are we still getting so many new cases? Waaaah. #worldstiniestviolin I have been wondering the same thing. My state has been under a stay home order for 5 weeks. At some point I keep expecting the number of cases to drop significantly but they haven't. My city has a great number of young people. I'm wondering if that is part of it...more than half of the cases are under the age of 40 here. I feel like the young people are still getting together in groups. They don't seem to care...our hospitals are not overwhelmed though. They are actually pretty silent so I think allowing elective surgery is probably a good idea where I am located. People do need health care. Some of what they consider "elective" doesn't seem all that elective to me. I don't think anyone really wants a knee replacement...
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Post by jelloshots4all on Apr 27, 2020 10:33:12 GMT -5
I am pretty convinced that that and getting people off UE before they can really start collecting their full benefits is the main drive for all these states pushing to reopen things as fast as they are. According to one model (and yes I recognize models are made by humans and are only good as the numbers they put in) says Iowa and Nebraska have no business opening until at the very earliest June. But then they have to pay 40,000+ people UE. That has got to kill Nebraska which does everything in their power to prevent you from getting it during normal times. I was reading about one bar owner who has decided to open because he needs to pay bills but has told all his employees to remain home. He said it's one thing to risk myself for my business it's another to expect my employees. AND he is still paying them. That is someone who deserved a small business loan, not places like Harvard and Ruth Christie's. Question. The economy has been very robust and unemployment at all time lows for over 4 years. Companies/employees were paying into the state UI system, yet states did not have to pay out to people as people had jobs. So the UI coffers should be full. SO what were states doing with all those funds? I know the answer, but states now can't deny unemployment nor force people back to work during a world wide health crisis
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 27, 2020 10:37:16 GMT -5
I think they can if they are opening the states back up. I am not sure the full legalese of it but from what I read the requirements to look for employment were only waived during shut down (which neither state actually did so whatever). So if they are opening things back up my assumption is then the requirements to look for employment are back in place.
Now you are "choosing" stay home and not get infected if the states are open would be my guess. The fact that it might be jobs where you are exposed is not their problem.
We'll see. With the state budgets in crisis there aren't a heck of a lot of jobs for people to apply FOR. I am sure some employers will start hiring again as things open up but not at the rate to get all those who lost their jobs/businesses in the past two months a job.
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Post by txlady1234 on Apr 27, 2020 10:59:50 GMT -5
What actually concerns me most, in all of this opening up talk...is that we're not hearing anything concrete yet from child care providers/camps/etc about how they are handling taking care of kids. Employers can demand employees go back to work all they want. They can't insist that kids 0-11 are completely alone for 8-10 hours a day so that folks can work....
One of the places I teach at is starting to grapple with what care might look like. I think in the end, they are going to have increased costs..how severe depends on which gate we are at. We're still in gate 1 (maybe we're not even there yet). No groups bigger than 10. That means extra teachers are going to have to be hired, extra space must be rented or extra equipment must be purchased (like room dividers). Extra cleaning supplies will need to be purchased. Extra games, playthings will need to be purchased. There's no taking the kids to the free local splash pad. On and on it goes. I have NO idea how scout camp (either cubs or scouts) is going to be handled yet. In a good week, they have 200 folks sign up. Meals would again have to be altered. Sleeping arrangements the whole 9 years.
We're priming DD1 to get her name out as a summer sitter. I think she could make good money and fill a legit need. This^^ I'm an essential worker so I haven't stopped working during all of this, and thankfully our daycare has remained open (with many more restrictions). As of right now I don't believe it's open only to essential workers kids, as long as you were already enrolled there you are able to still attend (no new enrollments at all). With so many parents no longer going into the office the numbers have dropped significantly - which makes me feel a little better about leaving my little guy there. But if people are expected to be back at work then I'm sure attendance numbers will go back up - then what? How will these facilities social distance? How much will it cost for them to put in the measures to make them safe? And we're not too far from summer. My step-daughter usually comes to stay and attends a summer camp; no word yet on if they will open or how they'll make sure it's safe. If schools were deemed unsafe to be open, then how can summer camps operate? They have to in order for folks to go back to work, so I'm surprised there have not been more conversations about how this will happen.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 27, 2020 11:10:06 GMT -5
MD confirmed infection rates have increased to what looks like a new or maybe more accurate level at 800-1000 per day-around 5% daily increase. It does look like number of tests per day has doubled or more, maybe they deployed the SK ones. Positive test rate is down below 15%. Today and yesterday the deaths number has been 30/31...that’s a step down compared to most of the last two weeks. I hate watching the data trickle out day by day when it’s jumping around so much. It feels like we’ve been locked down for so long...why are we still getting so many new cases? Waaaah. #worldstiniestviolin 1 Incubation period is long, about 2 weeks. 2 People not really practicing social distancing 3 Essential workers defined loosely, so there is still a significant amount of interaction And probably other reasons
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Post by lurkyloo on Apr 27, 2020 11:17:43 GMT -5
MD confirmed infection rates have increased to what looks like a new or maybe more accurate level at 800-1000 per day-around 5% daily increase. It does look like number of tests per day has doubled or more, maybe they deployed the SK ones. Positive test rate is down below 15%. Today and yesterday the deaths number has been 30/31...that’s a step down compared to most of the last two weeks. I hate watching the data trickle out day by day when it’s jumping around so much. It feels like we’ve been locked down for so long...why are we still getting so many new cases? Waaaah. #worldstiniestviolin 1 Incubation period is long, about 2 weeks. 2 People not really practicing social distancing 3 Essential workers defined loosely, so there is still a significant amount of interaction And probably other reasons Do you know what a rhetorical question is?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 27, 2020 11:18:42 GMT -5
There was a stupid blurb on the news last night that one of the pediatric journals submitted an article that vaccination rates were down 42%. What was really interesting is that another group I am in was discussing how their peds have cancelled well child visits, rescheduling them for a few months out. I didn’t go looking for the article, the newscast implied that the reason was that parents were shying off vaccination.....when in reality, offices were rescheduling a few months out. My doctor's office called on Friday to tell me that they were rescheduling my almost 12 year old's HPV 2nd vaccination. She's now set for 6/8. I did ask if this would mean she'd need the 3rd shot and they checked and said no. I really wish that they had given a more accurate reporting of this. They impression the news report gave was more a function parents canceling, not of the Peds offices rescheduling.
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