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Post by emma1420 on Apr 29, 2020 10:49:04 GMT -5
Kansas is opening up again on the 4th, but my county is following the feds plan with the various stages. So phase 1 for us (which I am assuming will be implemented on Monday) will permit restaurants to have dine-in service at 50% capacity providing social distancing can be maintained, retail stores, hair and nail salons, gyms and fitness centers, and outdoor playgrounds will all open. The caveat for each of those areas is that they must be able to follow their industries guidelines and they must be able to maintain social distancing when at all possible. Masks will also be required to be provided to all employees in businesses that serve the public, and the public are asked to all wear masks when with others. We also have no groups over ten.
The biggest thing is that the county is asking all businesses to encourage their employees to telework where it's possible. And they are asking that of businesses for every single phase (so pretty much until there is an effective treatment and/or a vaccine). I'm not sure how that will go over. However, I know where I work even though many of us have private offices, if we maintain social distance appropriately then there isn't much point to making everyone come into an office and use zoom and conference calls for all their work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 12:13:40 GMT -5
Interestingly, to date most of the local FB posts about the pandemic have been of the "open up, government can't control us, we don't have the virus here" ilk.
We got a case yesterday and the public health folks mentioned it could have spread in the community and was brought here by someone who lives here but traveled outside the county.
Today, all the messages seem to be more about staying home, not leaving the county, etc...
I can see letting small businesses open and keeping distancing, etc... but previously they were calling for a return of tourism for cripe's sake. It's nice to see a bit of change in attitude.
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 29, 2020 12:16:24 GMT -5
Remdesivir study meets primary endpoint and Fauci says clear cut positive results A good treatment would be so wonderful and help so many people. Those who are sick and those who would be helped by economy increase
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2020 13:53:57 GMT -5
Newsome suggested that we can open up manufacturing, curbside retail, and advocated for early opening of school year (well planned rollout to follow).
guessing we will have a shelter in place through May.
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Post by oped on Apr 29, 2020 15:16:12 GMT -5
Yay. This is the opposite of what the leak last week said, right?
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Post by oped on Apr 29, 2020 15:21:16 GMT -5
I'm trying not to get too excited by this... but I'm excited... Still going to go slow, but hope based on randomized, control group trails is good
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 29, 2020 15:23:37 GMT -5
It would be nice if we didn't have to reinvent the wheel. I read they are going to donate 1.5 million does. That gives them a bigger sample size.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 29, 2020 15:24:42 GMT -5
Newsome suggested that we can open up manufacturing, curbside retail, and advocated for early opening of school year (well planned rollout to follow). guessing we will have a shelter in place through May. So, talk to me about curbside retail. We already have this with some stores and many stores remain open (Target, Walmart, etc.) Home Depot is still open for pick-up. Given that I am not a big shopper, are we talking about clothes? Shoes? Furniture? I get those are big drivers, but is it really stuff people will buy curbside? Seems like we can already get that online, and then it is delivered to my door. Local stores may not have internet, so curbside gets really hard. Do I call the local shop and say "what cute dresses do you have?" And I sit in my car as they run out holding up various dresses? I'm sure there is retail I am not thinking about here. Help me understand how this will be a big bump in our economy.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 29, 2020 15:59:17 GMT -5
Modest effectiveness as a therapy. Jury is still out on whether it is truly effective. Mortality decreased by about 20% in study.
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Post by txlady1234 on Apr 29, 2020 17:12:24 GMT -5
So, talk to me about curbside retail. We already have this with some stores and many stores remain open (Target, Walmart, etc.) Home Depot is still open for pick-up. Given that I am not a big shopper, are we talking about clothes? Shoes? Furniture? I get those are big drivers, but is it really stuff people will buy curbside? Seems like we can already get that online, and then it is delivered to my door. Local stores may not have internet, so curbside gets really hard. Do I call the local shop and say "what cute dresses do you have?" And I sit in my car as they run out holding up various dresses? I'm sure there is retail I am not thinking about here. Help me understand how this will be a big bump in our economy. You're right - a lot of places already have this. But unlike Target, Walmart, etc. they have not been open as clothing only stores for example were deemed non-essential. I don't think those stores are going to see huge numbers for the reasons you pointed out - you can get stuff shipped to your house. But I will say during the outbreak I wanted to purchase some rainboots as I have a decent walk from the parking lot to the building (healthcare professional so still working) - everything was obviously closed. Normally Nordstrom has curbside pickup, but because of Covid it wasn't available. It was about a week before I got the boots and it rained in the meantime. So I could see people needing something now versus waiting for it to arrive to their home. Will that be enough to warrant opening stores and having staff onsite? Eh - who knows...
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 29, 2020 17:16:41 GMT -5
Yay. This is the opposite of what the leak last week said, right? That was a different study So new study showed some but not dramatic efficacy, but still a positive step forward
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 17:33:23 GMT -5
A lot of small businesses have really thin margins. Opening part way up or doing something like curbside may mean they still can't pay their operating expenses and rent payments.
It's hard to be a brick-and-mortar small business today and this is certainly making things a lot harder. However, it may open up more sales for online small businesses.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 29, 2020 22:48:52 GMT -5
A lot of small businesses have really thin margins. Opening part way up or doing something like curbside may mean they still can't pay their operating expenses and rent payments. It's hard to be a brick-and-mortar small business today and this is certainly making things a lot harder. However, it may open up more sales for online small businesses. I know of a couple of restaurants that decided firing everyone, turning off the lights, locking the doors and going to a cabin in the woods was about the same amount of dollars lost, with a lot less work. They seem to be in cheaper locations, or in one case, they own the building. We shall see if they are able to reopen.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 30, 2020 11:17:58 GMT -5
I'm trying not to get too excited by this... but I'm excited... Still going to go slow, but hope based on randomized, control group trails is good I will take a glimmer of hope right now!
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Post by emma1420 on Apr 30, 2020 16:03:21 GMT -5
Modest effectiveness as a therapy. Jury is still out on whether it is truly effective. Mortality decreased by about 20% in study. And there have been a couple other studies (flawed studies) that didn't really show any effectiveness. Although to be fair, they weren't as well designed as the NIH study. Plus, I think it's super shady that Gilead put out a press release before the data was available. I did like how Fauci framed this though. That it may be a start and at least put is in the right direction to finding real treatments. Because we need treatments that significantly reduce mortality, and even with this study remdesivir didn't do that in a statistically significant way.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 30, 2020 16:29:09 GMT -5
Modest effectiveness as a therapy. Jury is still out on whether it is truly effective. Mortality decreased by about 20% in study. And there have been a couple other studies (flawed studies) that didn't really show any effectiveness. Although to be fair, they weren't as well designed as the NIH study. Plus, I think it's super shady that Gilead put out a press release before the data was available. I did like how Fauci framed this though. That it may be a start and at least put is in the right direction to finding real treatments. Because we need treatments that significantly reduce mortality, and even with this study remdesivir didn't do that in a statistically significant way. Lots of shady things lately. It will be nice to have some sort of treatment that can at least help, but it’s not a game changer. Firstly, it is an IV medication, so cannot be used on outpatients. Second, since it I’ve only, will do very little to interrupt transmission. Lastly, people got better in 11 days instead of 15. Will help to decompress hospitals slightly, but they still could be overwhelmed if cases explode again. Still a long way to go, but a start nonetheless
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Post by teen persuasion on May 1, 2020 10:55:28 GMT -5
Cuomo finally called it - schools closed for remainder of the year (2 more months), distance learning continues. Summer school TBD by end of May.
Cue the outrage against King Andy...
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Post by jerseygirl on May 1, 2020 18:50:41 GMT -5
Gilead’s remdesivir was given emergency use designation by FDA today. So can be used by more hospitals now instead of just those running Gilead trials. It’s not fabulously effective and requires infusion but it’s a good step forward
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Post by jerseygirl on May 1, 2020 18:54:26 GMT -5
Cuomo finally called it - schools closed for remainder of the year (2 more months), distance learning continues. Summer school TBD by end of May. Cue the outrage against King Andy... Any thought if all kids will ‘go’ to summer school? Grandkids are in NY, one is freshman in HS, one in first grade and youngest is in preschool (private but will follow public schools) Online better than nothing Guessing no summer camps either
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 1, 2020 19:02:05 GMT -5
Hopefully one works out. At any rate I'd like to think that people will stop raging about academic research and how we suck from the government test and drive up tuition for their kids all so we can play with fruit flies. THIS is why we exist so we can do the preliminary work so companies like Gilead can get the drugs on the market. We have the capacity and skill to dig through all these drugs to hopefully find a treatment Though I doubt it maybe our leaders should think before the next slash in NIH funding.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 1, 2020 19:40:44 GMT -5
Hopefully one works out. At any rate I'd like to think that people will stop raging about academic research and how we suck from the government test and drive up tuition for their kids all so we can play with fruit flies. THIS is why we exist so we can do the preliminary work so companies like Gilead can get the drugs on the market. We have the capacity and skill to dig through all these drugs to hopefully find a treatment Though I doubt it maybe our leaders should think before the next slash in NIH funding. Yeah, this pointy headed stuff is important for exactly this reason, there were only a handful of researchers who were expert in coronavirus, thought to be a dead end because they were only cold viruses. Lucky we had some, so we could build on their work. Need the building blocks to get advances in medicine. This country was made great by scientific advances. Sad to see how far we fallen in our belief in science. If anything will cause a decline in our standing in the world, it will be our distrust of science
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Post by giramomma on May 1, 2020 19:44:56 GMT -5
Cuomo finally called it - schools closed for remainder of the year (2 more months), distance learning continues. Summer school TBD by end of May. Cue the outrage against King Andy... Any thought if all kids will ‘go’ to summer school? Grandkids are in NY, one is freshman in HS, one in first grade and youngest is in preschool (private but will follow public schools) Online better than nothing Guessing no summer camps either Summer camp depends. Overnight camp that's popular with many at our parochial school announced it's closed for the season.
Summer camp run by a state-licensed child care facility is now planning to run. Personally, I think these programs are going to take a bath financially. One that I'm seeing, it looks like they are going to adhere to groups of 10 kids. That's about half the size they normally have. So, now you need to hire more adults. They serve meals, and that's going to get more expensive. They have to clean like a mofo. That's going to incur more costs. And, there's likely no traveling on public transportation (for free) to go to splash pads (for free), library story hours (for free), do free activities at the university (shut down). So these places are going to have to spend money to replace free activities. Kids can't just be expected to sit quietly in a room for 8 hours a day doing things like reading and making bracelets.
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Post by teen persuasion on May 1, 2020 21:10:01 GMT -5
Cuomo finally called it - schools closed for remainder of the year (2 more months), distance learning continues. Summer school TBD by end of May. Cue the outrage against King Andy... Any thought if all kids will ‘go’ to summer school? Grandkids are in NY, one is freshman in HS, one in first grade and youngest is in preschool (private but will follow public schools) Online better than nothing Guessing no summer camps either Schools are just as in the dark as parents. DH is a teacher, and we tuned in to Cuomo's presser today specifically to learn whether schools were closing. Of course, DH is required to teach summer school for his students (an alternative school campus in an agency for troubled kids), so the version of summer school Cuomo is talking about is entirely different. Cuomo mentioned vaguely 3 weeks in August, after things settle down. DH teaches the middle 6 weeks of the 10 week summer break (2 weeks off, 6 weeks school, 2 weeks off, fall semester begins). Local districts often don't all have a summer school scheduled - if our students needed to attend summer school to catch up, they have to find another district offering that class, and parents have to pay for it. So extra unplanned work for district teachers? I'm not sure we'll be reopening anytime soon. Numbers may be down in NYC, but they are accelerating here, we seem to be getting a critical mass of active cases keeping it in circulation, despite the social distancing we've done to date, and despite closing down with the first confirmed case. Community organizers recognize this (can't open soon) - they've been cancelling large community events thru at least end of June - but a vocal minority wants back to work. The county Exec and other officials keep trying to rein them in by pointing out that we have to maintain 14 days of dropping numbers to get to reopen (so stay home!) but numbers are heading the wrong direction.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on May 2, 2020 11:28:23 GMT -5
And then this happened. I also read something similar in my hometown news at the two major hospitals. The hospitals have been downsizing for two years or more.
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Post by jerseygirl on May 2, 2020 11:57:59 GMT -5
Daughter is ER nurse in upstate NzY - No ones hiring Son is orthopedic surgeon in NJ - pay cut 80% no elective surgeries (hip, knee replacements mostly) Hospitals and physicians are losing large amounts of money as everything is Covid or nothing Patients are losing routine prevention care or chronic care for cardiovascular etc Not good at all So we’ve flattened the curve now it’s prevent CV19 at a large cost to many people and companies Risk/Benefit???
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 2, 2020 12:04:55 GMT -5
Daughter is ER nurse in upstate NzY - No ones hiring Son is orthopedic surgeon in NJ - pay cut 80% no elective surgeries (hip, knee replacements mostly) Hospitals and physicians are losing large amounts of money as everything is Covid or nothing Patients are losing routine prevention care or chronic care for cardiovascular etc Not good at all So we’ve flattened the curve now it’s prevent CV19 at a large cost to many people and companies Risk/Benefit??? Again, people are making this an all or nothing argument. Every place that has reduced restrictions has seen cases increase. If they increase to fast, we wind up where we are now. Hospitals in nyc where unable to focus on anything else. So we have to avoid that scenario. The difficulty is determining how to do it, and where to come down on the side of restrictions. My state has had over twice the number of deaths this April compared to last. So, do you believe that what is going on now will lead to that many deaths. We need to get to a tolerable level of infections to allow some semblance of normalcy. Remember, the projection that got trump’s attention had 2.2 million dead in 18 months if we do nothing
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Post by jerseygirl on May 2, 2020 14:09:33 GMT -5
Daughter is ER nurse in upstate NzY - No ones hiring Son is orthopedic surgeon in NJ - pay cut 80% no elective surgeries (hip, knee replacements mostly) Hospitals and physicians are losing large amounts of money as everything is Covid or nothing Patients are losing routine prevention care or chronic care for cardiovascular etc Not good at all So we’ve flattened the curve now it’s prevent CV19 at a large cost to many people and companies Risk/Benefit??? Again, people are making this an all or nothing argument. Every place that has reduced restrictions has seen cases increase. If they increase to fast, we wind up where we are now. Hospitals in nyc where unable to focus on anything else. So we have to avoid that scenario. The difficulty is determining how to do it, and where to come down on the side of restrictions. My state has had over twice the number of deaths this April compared to last. So, do you believe that what is going on now will lead to that many deaths. We need to get to a tolerable level of infections to allow some semblance of normalcy. Remember, the projection that got trump’s attention had 2.2 million dead in 18 months if we do nothing Agree but it’s difficult and unknown how to balance the benefit and risk. Won’t be an all or nothing response but each area of country or states will start to experience differences, countries also. Sweden seems to have s different manner of coping but don’t think deaths were significantly different UK also was going to minimize social costs till the first model with many deaths changed response Will we see a Decameron come from this? Maybe Dante’s Circles of Hell
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 2, 2020 14:30:54 GMT -5
Again, people are making this an all or nothing argument. Every place that has reduced restrictions has seen cases increase. If they increase to fast, we wind up where we are now. Hospitals in nyc where unable to focus on anything else. So we have to avoid that scenario. The difficulty is determining how to do it, and where to come down on the side of restrictions. My state has had over twice the number of deaths this April compared to last. So, do you believe that what is going on now will lead to that many deaths. We need to get to a tolerable level of infections to allow some semblance of normalcy. Remember, the projection that got trump’s attention had 2.2 million dead in 18 months if we do nothing Agree but it’s difficult and unknown how to balance the benefit and risk. Won’t be an all or nothing response but each area of country or states will start to experience differences, countries also. Sweden seems to have s different manner of coping but don’t think deaths were significantly different UK also was going to minimize social costs till the first model with many deaths changed response Will we see a Decameron come from this? Maybe Dante’s Circles of Hell On a per population level, Sweden’s death are disproportionate
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