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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 17:43:15 GMT -5
pulmonarymd, I am not sure that this is the same article that I read. But if it isn't, it is making the same argument that I was talking about. Again, it is only speculation. But that doesn't keep it from being interesting. link
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 12, 2020 17:55:39 GMT -5
pulmonarymd, I am not sure that this is the same article that I read. But if it isn't, it is making the same argument that I was talking about. Again, it is only speculation. But that doesn't keep it from being interesting. link Yeah, seen it. Source is suspect, a historian not a scientist. Again, look at how this behaves whenever it got established in an area. California never hit the levels seen in other areas. If it was circulating their first, why did it explode in Washington state and not California. The way it spreads and the lack of any meaningful response by the government until March should have led to significant illness in the manner that happened in Washington. It just doesn’t make sense. In addition, genetic analysis shows the virus has been relatively stable throughout the world, so it is doubtful that a less virulent strain was in California
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 12, 2020 19:36:41 GMT -5
yes, and that is how I read it. I only described my sister, but she is one teacher in a single boarding school. and that's only educational institutions. it's amazing how real the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game becomes when trying to minimize the spread of an infectious disease. I think we had cases here well before the current administration would have ever admitted to it. given that this thread is not in Politics, I'll stop there. but we had the opportunity to squash this, and we didn't. I will wait until anti-body testing happens on a broad scale and experts weigh in on what the results mean. I just think speculating on this is just another way to spread a bunch of misinformation. I'm done with people taking their small experience, turning it into a comprehensive opinion and then stating it as fact, or even a possible fact. That is why nobody believes anything.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 12, 2020 19:50:54 GMT -5
Getting back to the topic of staying the F home...I live by a busy road and I have seen cars coming and going all day long. I'm thinking cases where I live are going to soar in 1-2 weeks due to the Easter holiday. I am not religious and Easter is just another day to me so perhaps I just "don't get it." You've been asked stay home so stay the F home.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Apr 12, 2020 20:08:08 GMT -5
I live on a 6 block dead end street. My family room faces the street. My bet is over 50% of my neighbors are retired. WTF are these cars racing up and down our street (and speeding) numerous time a day?? Where the hell are they going??
I've thought about calling the police non emergency number. We have several families in my immediate 8 house cluster that have small kids that play in their yards, and these others are idiots!!
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Post by tskeeter on Apr 12, 2020 20:27:04 GMT -5
I live on a 6 block dead end street. My family room faces the street. My bet is over 50% of my neighbors are retired. WTF are these cars racing up and down our street (and speeding) numerous time a day?? Where the hell are they going?? I've thought about calling the police non emergency number. We have several families in my immediate 8 house cluster that have small kids that play in their yards, and these others are idiots!! Your retired neighbors are going to their cardiac specialist, their orthopedist, their urologist, etc., etc., etc. It’s amazing how our bodies start to wear out by the time we reach retirement age. And how much it takes to stay on the green side of the grass.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 12, 2020 20:55:11 GMT -5
I live on a 6 block dead end street. My family room faces the street. My bet is over 50% of my neighbors are retired. WTF are these cars racing up and down our street (and speeding) numerous time a day?? Where the hell are they going?? I've thought about calling the police non emergency number. We have several families in my immediate 8 house cluster that have small kids that play in their yards, and these others are idiots!! Your retired neighbors are going to their cardiac specialist, their orthopedist, their urologist, etc., etc., etc. It’s amazing how our bodies start to wear out by the time we reach retirement age. And how much it takes to stay on the green side of the grass. I very much doubt that. DH had blood in his urine about a week or so ago. He could not get an appt with his urologist. All he could get was a call from the nurse who told him “If you have pain, go to the ER”. If you develop a fever, go to the ER” She gave him a list of symptoms and said if he developed them, “Go to the ER”. Unless it’s an emergency, it doesn’t seem possible to see a dr. They are dealing with COVID symptoms
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Post by ners on Apr 12, 2020 21:00:39 GMT -5
While I maybe going to the store more than once every 2 weeks. I have for the most part been staying home. I try to take solitary walks when weather permits.
I really wish my 91 year old dad would stay home. There is no stopping him. He still does his grocery shopping. My sister who lives with him has offered and he refuses.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 12, 2020 23:31:55 GMT -5
There was a large early spike of influenza like illnesses across the country in early December. It was unusual in that it occurred earlier than usual. At least in my experience, these individuals tested positive for the flu. There were both A and B strains circulating, and the B strains were particularly bad for kids. This persisted into January. If you look at trend lines, flu-like illnesses then started to decrease, then had a marked increase in March, correlating with the increase in covid cases. Unless we are able to show from blood that was saved from January that their was covid infections back then, it is highly unlikely that people were infected with coronavirus. The flu was nasty, but nothing out of the ordinary. In addition, we did not see a dramatic increase in people who needed ventilators with flu like illness until March. So, while a few people may have been infected with covid in January, if you look at the experience in Washington in February, no one else went through that, so they were likely the earliest affected area The UW flu study was collecting samples in Jan. They really do need to go back and analyze these swabs for covid. They tried, but were stopped. Knowing whether it existed in these samples would show when it came into the population...even more importantly since Seattle had the first diagnosed case of covid in the US. Were they stopped due to a shortage of tests?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 13, 2020 6:20:37 GMT -5
The UW flu study was collecting samples in Jan. They really do need to go back and analyze these swabs for covid. They tried, but were stopped. Knowing whether it existed in these samples would show when it came into the population...even more importantly since Seattle had the first diagnosed case of covid in the US. Were they stopped due to a shortage of tests? No fda sent them a cease and desist letter because they did not get permission from them or the patient’s whose blood it was. One of many mistakes made in February. Would have helped to know the extent of infections that had already happened and how early it had gotten here, don’t you think? May have made us pay attention and take action sooner
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Post by azucena on Apr 13, 2020 6:55:00 GMT -5
We could see Easter parties in each of the four blocks that run from our house. Try explaining that to my kids. Dd11 had a call from a friend who was bored at her grandparents party. She was mad enough to ask why they weren't staying home --- their family is tired of being cooped up.
Lots of tears in our household last night including mine and dh's.
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Post by ners on Apr 13, 2020 9:55:51 GMT -5
azucena Remember you are doing what is best for your family. You cannot control other's behavior only your own.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 13, 2020 10:06:13 GMT -5
The UW flu study was collecting samples in Jan. They really do need to go back and analyze these swabs for covid. They tried, but were stopped. Knowing whether it existed in these samples would show when it came into the population...even more importantly since Seattle had the first diagnosed case of covid in the US. Were they stopped due to a shortage of tests? No, this was a research study ongoing, they were testing for the flu virus, but also have the capability to test for covid (you do not need an official test to be able to test, it is a different criteria for an FDA accepted test). They were shut down due to administrative government BS. They started testing samples (which the signed consent for the study can allow) for covid when the PI of the study realized that it could have been in the population earlier than the index case in WA. They got a cease and desist letter from the government to stop testing, but they had detected a few cases from samples collected before they got shut down. The study started in Jan, I believe.
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Post by jelloshots4all on Apr 13, 2020 14:59:34 GMT -5
Your retired neighbors are going to their cardiac specialist, their orthopedist, their urologist, etc., etc., etc. It’s amazing how our bodies start to wear out by the time we reach retirement age. And how much it takes to stay on the green side of the grass. I very much doubt that. DH had blood in his urine about a week or so ago. He could not get an appt with his urologist. All he could get was a call from the nurse who told him “If you have pain, go to the ER”. If you develop a fever, go to the ER” She gave him a list of symptoms and said if he developed them, “Go to the ER”. Unless it’s an emergency, it doesn’t seem possible to see a dr. They are dealing with COVID symptoms I highly doubt that as well. My one neighbor comes and goes several times a day then comes home and works on noisy cars in his yard. I drove down to the dead end last week because tons of construction trucks kept passing. The neighbor was helping the construction. Yeah I'm nosey ANd I understand people may have projects scheduled and they are keeping people employed which I am thankful for. Maybe they are just going for a drive because their spouse wanted them out of the house. It's just interesting to me.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Apr 13, 2020 17:37:53 GMT -5
I have a friend from Alabama who receives dialysis weekly. He is all masked up when he goes for his treatments. Without them, he won't be alive.
I have not scheduled any projects and won't because I don't want people in my house.
I have taken a spin around town when I get my mail or return from bringing home groceries because I am bored out of my mind.
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Post by raeoflyte on Apr 13, 2020 20:48:34 GMT -5
My mom gets remicaid treatments every 6 weeks. She wore a mask, goggles, and gloves when she went in last and will continue to. With the gloves even if you touch everything there, you're taking them off before getting in the car. Shes not doing surgery that needs a sterile field, she needs to reduce how many germs she takes home. She's not likely to survive if she gets covid and every precaution is necessary.
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Post by lynnerself on Apr 13, 2020 20:52:38 GMT -5
My city seems to be playing by our state rules, but that allows for a lot of people being out. Street repair crews are out, as is home construction and repair. Drive thru and take outs are busy. City parks are busy , but all 6 feet apart or more. Car wash and auto repair is open. Post office, grocery and pharmacies of course. Walmart too.
But it seems to be working anyway. My county had only 4 new cases today.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 13, 2020 21:11:54 GMT -5
My mom gets remicaid treatments every 6 weeks. She wore a mask, goggles, and gloves when she went in last and will continue to. With the gloves even if you touch everything there, you're taking them off before getting in the car. Shes not doing surgery that needs a sterile field, she needs to reduce how many germs she takes home. She's not likely to survive if she gets covid and every precaution is necessary. Is your mom taking her gloves off correctly?
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Post by Sharon on Apr 13, 2020 21:15:46 GMT -5
My city seems to be playing by our state rules, but that allows for a lot of people being out. Street repair crews are out, as is home construction and repair. Drive thru and take outs are busy. City parks are busy , but all 6 feet apart or more. Car wash and auto repair is open. Post office, grocery and pharmacies of course. Walmart too.
But it seems to be working anyway. My county had only 4 new cases today.
I am pretty sure that we are in the same county. What I find worrisome is that our county has the highest number of Corona Virus cases per capita in the state. ETA: With the exception of a quick trip to Walgreens today I have only been getting groceries where you get your green bow tie service and arrive when they open in the morning.
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Post by lynnerself on Apr 13, 2020 22:40:43 GMT -5
My city seems to be playing by our state rules, but that allows for a lot of people being out. Street repair crews are out, as is home construction and repair. Drive thru and take outs are busy. City parks are busy , but all 6 feet apart or more. Car wash and auto repair is open. Post office, grocery and pharmacies of course. Walmart too.
But it seems to be working anyway. My county had only 4 new cases today.
I am pretty sure that we are in the same county. What I find worrisome is that our county has the highest number of Corona Virus cases per capita in the state. ETA: With the exception of a quick trip to Walgreens today I have only been getting groceries where you get your green bow tie service and arrive when they open in the morning.
Assuming you're right about the location, I've wondered about that myself. I haven't done the calculation if you include the county that holds the other part of the city. We shopped at the big grocery where you have to bag your own groceries. That's why both of us went. It's hard to unload the cart, pay and bag 3 weeks of groceries by yourself.
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Post by raeoflyte on Apr 14, 2020 7:23:20 GMT -5
My mom gets remicaid treatments every 6 weeks. She wore a mask, goggles, and gloves when she went in last and will continue to. With the gloves even if you touch everything there, you're taking them off before getting in the car. Shes not doing surgery that needs a sterile field, she needs to reduce how many germs she takes home. She's not likely to survive if she gets covid and every precaution is necessary. Is your mom taking her gloves off correctly? Well since I cant go see her, I will just have to assume that since she was a career nurse and spent the last decade of her career in wound and ostomy her glove technique is just fine and that she uses hand sanitizer until she can correctly wash at a sink for more than 20 seconds. My parents chose to self isolate and wear masks, goggles, and gloves when they absolutely had to go out when the rest of the country was limiting to groups in the hundreds and saying wearing masks created more issues. And now the director of the cdc is demonstrating homemade masks with a t-shirt and rubber bands.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 7:42:11 GMT -5
My city seems to be playing by our state rules, but that allows for a lot of people being out. Street repair crews are out, as is home construction and repair. Drive thru and take outs are busy. City parks are busy , but all 6 feet apart or more. Car wash and auto repair is open. Post office, grocery and pharmacies of course. Walmart too.
But it seems to be working anyway. My county had only 4 new cases today.
How long ago did they open up those businesses? Since people with COVID-19 may not have symptoms for 2 weeks, this is good news only if the businesses have been open that long. It would be wonderful news if this has been going on for awhile- I see all the closed businesses around me and wonder if they'll be able to resume business again even when the orders have been lifted.
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Post by lynnerself on Apr 14, 2020 10:32:20 GMT -5
My city seems to be playing by our state rules, but that allows for a lot of people being out. Street repair crews are out, as is home construction and repair. Drive thru and take outs are busy. City parks are busy , but all 6 feet apart or more. Car wash and auto repair is open. Post office, grocery and pharmacies of course. Walmart too.
But it seems to be working anyway. My county had only 4 new cases today.
How long ago did they open up those businesses? Since people with COVID-19 may not have symptoms for 2 weeks, this is good news only if the businesses have been open that long. It would be wonderful news if this has been going on for awhile- I see all the closed businesses around me and wonder if they'll be able to resume business again even when the orders have been lifted. These are all the businesses that have always been open, since everything else was shit down on March 23. (schools a week before that). We did react early. On March 23 we only had 161 total cases in the state. And a lot is shut down. The economic situation is grim. There is a lot less traffic, but the sidewalks and roads are far from empty.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 14, 2020 10:50:42 GMT -5
These are all the businesses that have always been open, since everything else was shit down on March 23. (schools a week before that). We did react early. On March 23 we only had 161 total cases in the state. And a lot is shut down. The economic situation is grim. There is a lot less traffic, but the sidewalks and roads are far from empty.
You are fortunate. We closed down about the same time you did. We have 3500 cases currently.., ...including in the corrections systems, an assisted living center, and university students coming down with Covid after going on Spring break. And this is what we know. Because testing, right now is 1/10th of 1% of our total state population.
My kids go to a private school. There's a fair amount of parents that are in the medical field (nurses, doctors, dentists, etc). Half the teachers are older (think 50s/60s). They teach in a private catholic school because they can. Meaning their husbands are drs, dentists. etc. Frankly, even if schools open up on May 1, I'm not sending the girls back. If Drs and nurses had actual PPE instead of ponchos and garbage bags, I'd reconsider. Our local news ran a story where nurses with Covid were still ordered to work while they were symptomatic. This happened in one of our local hospitals.
It takes the school 6-8 weeks to get strep/viruses under control when parents send their sick kids to school and it spreads like wildfire. And this is in middle school, where arguable, 11-13 year olds should be able to wash hands, cover their mouths when they cough, etc without non-stop reminders. I'm not a nervous nelly generally...but I shudder to think how fast Covid would go through our entire school..And with four kids at home, that's not a risk I feel comfortable taking.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 14, 2020 10:53:02 GMT -5
Is your mom taking her gloves off correctly? Well since I cant go see her, I will just have to assume that since she was a career nurse and spent the last decade of her career in wound and ostomy her glove technique is just fine and that she uses hand sanitizer until she can correctly wash at a sink for more than 20 seconds. My parents chose to self isolate and wear masks, goggles, and gloves when they absolutely had to go out when the rest of the country was limiting to groups in the hundreds and saying wearing masks created more issues. And now the director of the cdc is demonstrating homemade masks with a t-shirt and rubber bands. I wasn’t being facetious, I was hoping that she knew how to take off gloves correctly. Most do not unless they wear them regularly for work. Knowing she was a nurse is sufficient, I did not know. For her, it is more important than most to protect herself.
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Post by lynnerself on Apr 14, 2020 11:19:09 GMT -5
Frankly, even if schools open up on May 1, I'm not sending the girls back.
It takes the school 6-8 weeks to get strep/viruses under control when parents send their sick kids to school and it spreads like wildfire. And this is in middle school, where arguable, 11-13 year olds should be able to wash hands, cover their mouths when they cough, etc without non-stop reminders. Our schools are already closed until fall.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 14, 2020 11:26:37 GMT -5
I was approved for unemployment today. In effect, I am being paid to stay the F home, so that's what I am doing. My neighbors, not so much.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 14, 2020 12:33:29 GMT -5
They go through bankruptcy and get it forgiven.
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