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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Apr 5, 2020 17:55:39 GMT -5
Still cars running up and down the main road where I live. I thought once shelter at home was put into place there would be very few cars. Nope, not here... I went for a drive yesterday. I hadn't used the car in a week and didn't want the battery to die. Didn't actually go anywhere, just drove around. I didn't interact with anyone. Getting out and about for a bit of a drive is good to break up being holed up. Always in mind, like you, not to interact with anyone. We limit ourselves to a drive for an hour out and an hour back so we aren’t needful to be in a public place for a potty stop.
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Post by raeoflyte on Apr 7, 2020 17:33:30 GMT -5
Dh's job reported their first confirmed case. They've said the 3 people who were exposed to that person have been told and I guess in quarantine. It doesn't make sense that it's only 3 people though. It's a big vet hospital but that's still like a few dozen people per shift and they have to interact even with social distancing in place.
Ugh....we knew this was coming. But I feel very powerless. I guess no more grocery orders for my parents (they are sanitizing everything and I leave it in the garage and they get it after I leave). But nothing feels like enough. They can switch to delivery but those people are more likely to have been exposed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 18:04:34 GMT -5
Dh's job reported their first confirmed case. They've said the 3 people who were exposed to that person have been told and I guess in quarantine. It doesn't make sense that it's only 3 people though. It's a big vet hospital but that's still like a few dozen people per shift and they have to interact even with social distancing in place. Ugh....we knew this was coming. But I feel very powerless. I guess no more grocery orders for my parents (they are sanitizing everything and I leave it in the garage and they get it after I leave). But nothing feels like enough. They can switch to delivery but those people are more likely to have been exposed. Scary, isn’t it? My job told us last week that we had a confirmed case in the building. But nobody knows who, where they worked, or even what shift. Since our shifts overlap, it’s easy for us to talk to one another, and anything that’s happened spreads like wildfire. But nobody has seen any area be cleaned or sanitized, and we still don’t have the protective gear available that they are supposed to be providing. I don’t have much confidence in my employer to do what’s right to try to protect us as much as is reasonable, not on the local level anyway. There are literally hundreds of us, and most of us work in close proximity to one another, so it’s not hard to imagine them deliberately keeping information from us, they’ve done it before in situations less serious than this. And just going by the large number of us that work there, I highly doubt there’s only been ONE person that has/had it. Last I looked, we had well over 700 individuals test positive in our county, and people are still disregarding the shelter in place orders, to the point that our lawmakers are now threatening possible jail time for those who refuse to comply. Being constantly on guard during an 8hour shift is exhausting, and is taking a serious toll on me. It’s not just my coworkers themselves, it’s also the equipment we all share, and the “products” (for lack of a better word) we handle that’s cause for concern since the virus can survive on surfaces for up to a few days. It does tend to make one feel helpless, at least, that’s what I’ve been feeling for weeks. I pray that the 1 confirmed case is the only one to happen at your DH’s job.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 18:52:35 GMT -5
For now we are able to take our carry-out meal to a local park and eat it in the car, but that may end soon if the parks are shut down because of overcrowding. State parks here were shut down today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 18:53:53 GMT -5
Dh's job reported their first confirmed case. They've said the 3 people who were exposed to that person have been told and I guess in quarantine. It doesn't make sense that it's only 3 people though. It's a big vet hospital but that's still like a few dozen people per shift and they have to interact even with social distancing in place. Ugh....we knew this was coming. But I feel very powerless. I guess no more grocery orders for my parents (they are sanitizing everything and I leave it in the garage and they get it after I leave). But nothing feels like enough. They can switch to delivery but those people are more likely to have been exposed. Yeah, it's that feeling of how much is enough and it never is. I hope it goes well for your DH and your family.
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Post by cronewitch on Apr 7, 2020 20:09:28 GMT -5
ISO went to the hospital to get an x-ray and they sent him to the emergency room, then they admitted him. They don't allow visitors but claim his cough is from pneumonia not COVID 19 they tested him. The hospital pharmacy called me to see if I helped him with medicine but I said no, they can't go in his room because he coughs. Maybe they can call his doctor to figure out his medicine and have a nurse deliver it. I am isolating so not even going to feed cats, told him to ask neighbor.
Our governor has shut down so much there is nothing left to do. Even idiots can't do things like go fishing, all state lands are closed, fishing is closed, restaurants and bars, churches, beaches everything closed. Our governor is a snake but saving lives, I might even vote for him, Trump doesn't like him because he is a snake so I am ok with him saving our lives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 21:48:10 GMT -5
ISO went to the hospital to get an x-ray and they sent him to the emergency room, then they admitted him. They don't allow visitors but claim his cough is from pneumonia not COVID 19 they tested him. The hospital pharmacy called me to see if I helped him with medicine but I said no, they can't go in his room because he coughs. Maybe they can call his doctor to figure out his medicine and have a nurse deliver it. I am isolating so not even going to feed cats, told him to ask neighbor. Our governor has shut down so much there is nothing left to do. Even idiots can't do things like go fishing, all state lands are closed, fishing is closed, restaurants and bars, churches, beaches everything closed. Our governor is a snake but saving lives, I might even vote for him, Trump doesn't like him because he is a snake so I am ok with him saving our lives. If he uses one pharmacy, they can help. Actually, the hospital always saw his prescriptions online thanks to our insurance company. Still, they made us verify.
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 8, 2020 13:36:11 GMT -5
Town in NJ where I grew up now has 5 drones that look for people congregating and have voice message from mayor and siren telling people to go home. Can be fined $1000 Reminds me when Gov Christie went on the beach and told people to get the hell off the beach
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 8, 2020 13:53:11 GMT -5
The fine here is $1,000 to $6,000.
That'll learn ya!
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 8, 2020 14:02:00 GMT -5
NJ governor just announced lock down will be many more weeks. One thousand died last week. Governors of ny nj and Connecticut talking about opening up. They will open together but of course don’t know when or how.
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Post by lynnerself on Apr 8, 2020 14:22:52 GMT -5
A week ago they shut down our local bus service. A couple of drivers were positive. They have reopened it, but are requiring all passengers to wear masks if they want to ride.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 14:44:52 GMT -5
Nothing will open before 6/1. Need to see infections decreasing significantly before they will open. This is the message we should be getting from the Trump administration. People need to be prepared for it to go on that long
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Post by jelloshots4all on Apr 8, 2020 15:25:46 GMT -5
Absolutely agree with pulmonarymd!!!
I'm locked down at home. My car battery won't start. I do have my sons car so I can get to the grocery store.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 8, 2020 15:31:56 GMT -5
Nothing will open before 6/1. Need to see infections decreasing significantly before they will open. This is the message we should be getting from the Trump administration. People need to be prepared for it to go on that long That I can handle. I could also handle if by 6/1 they had to say we go out to 7/1 so forth and so on. I cannot, as a person with anxiety/depression, deal with the thought that this could last till 2022. I have to take it day by day or I may end up being one of those people that takes herself out. The fact of the matter is we don't know either way. So nobody needs to be getting on a high horse right now about how long we "have to" do this in either direction and trying to make others feel bad about their thoughts/feelings on the matter which I have been seeing A LOT of on social media. We got enough problems right now without people playing arm chair scientists. Even the real ones don't know for sure so unless you have information they don't keep your lectures to yourself.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 8, 2020 15:36:26 GMT -5
Nothing will open before 6/1. Need to see infections decreasing significantly before they will open. This is the message we should be getting from the Trump administration. People need to be prepared for it to go on that long I personally think we would see far more compliance if “someone/anyone” announced a date. This “real soon” stuff makes it sound like release is imminent and so people let their guard down because things must be good if we’re being released real soon. Which of course COMPLETELY conflicts with what the trusted someones are saying. So, go long — worst case scenario — lock us down until 6/30 or whenever. Then we can pace ourselves and see the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 8, 2020 15:38:47 GMT -5
Nothing will open before 6/1. Need to see infections decreasing significantly before they will open. This is the message we should be getting from the Trump administration. People need to be prepared for it to go on that long That I can handle. I could also handle if by 6/1 they had to say we go out to 7/1 so forth and so on. I cannot, as a person with anxiety/depression, deal with the thought that this could last till 2022. I have to take it day by day or I may end up being one of those people that takes herself out. The fact of the matter is we don't know either way. So nobody needs to be getting on a high horse right now about how long we "have to" do this in either direction and trying to make others feel bad about their thoughts/feelings on the matter which I have been seeing A LOT of on social media. We got enough problems right now without people playing arm chair scientists. Even the real ones don't know for sure so unless you have information they don't keep your lectures to yourself. I’m keeping a close eye on Wuhan now that they’ve not only been released but are traveling out of the area. 🙏🤞 there isn’t another wave indicating the release was premature.
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Post by jerseygirl on Apr 8, 2020 15:48:22 GMT -5
That I can handle. I could also handle if by 6/1 they had to say we go out to 7/1 so forth and so on. I cannot, as a person with anxiety/depression, deal with the thought that this could last till 2022. I have to take it day by day or I may end up being one of those people that takes herself out. The fact of the matter is we don't know either way. So nobody needs to be getting on a high horse right now about how long we "have to" do this in either direction and trying to make others feel bad about their thoughts/feelings on the matter which I have been seeing A LOT of on social media. We got enough problems right now without people playing arm chair scientists. Even the real ones don't know for sure so unless you have information they don't keep your lectures to yourself. I’m keeping a close eye on Wuhan now that they’ve not only been released but are traveling out of the area. 🙏🤞 there isn’t another wave indicating the release was premature. Wuhan is not very open, many of those huge high rises are still barricaded since there are people who have tested positive
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 8, 2020 15:56:12 GMT -5
I’m keeping a close eye on Wuhan now that they’ve not only been released but are traveling out of the area. 🙏🤞 there isn’t another wave indicating the release was premature. Wuhan is not very open, many of those huge high rises are still barricaded since there are people who have tested positive Hmmm, news reports last night and today made it appear otherwise.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 16:04:49 GMT -5
Nothing will open before 6/1. Need to see infections decreasing significantly before they will open. This is the message we should be getting from the Trump administration. People need to be prepared for it to go on that long That I can handle. I could also handle if by 6/1 they had to say we go out to 7/1 so forth and so on. I cannot, as a person with anxiety/depression, deal with the thought that this could last till 2022. I have to take it day by day or I may end up being one of those people that takes herself out. The fact of the matter is we don't know either way. So nobody needs to be getting on a high horse right now about how long we "have to" do this in either direction and trying to make others feel bad about their thoughts/feelings on the matter which I have been seeing A LOT of on social media. We got enough problems right now without people playing arm chair scientists. Even the real ones don't know for sure so unless you have information they don't keep your lectures to yourself. Which is why honesty would be better. If we had an idea that it would beat least that long, and an idea of what we would need to see, it would help everyone. We cannot live like this for a long time. Just from a medical standpoint, other medical problems are being put off. If you are one of those people, that is not good.Those people need to be cared for too. So we have to be making plans for how we do that. Instead of making it seem like it will be soon, they should be having a committee(without Jared Kushner being in charge), that will figure out how to do it. Then lay out what the milestones that we would need to reach for the plan to be put into place. Most people can get on board with the sacrifices if they believe there is a plan. We also need to see light at the end of the tunnel. But the work that needs to be done before we can know how to do it is important. If we are still in this boat at the end of the summer, God help us. Life will not return to "normal" until we have either a drug or a vaccine, but we need to have some progress being made
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 16:34:35 GMT -5
Instead of making it seem like it will be soon, they should be having a committee(without Jared Kushner being in charge), that will figure out how to do it. Then lay out what the milestones that we would need to reach for the plan to be put into place. Most people can get on board with the sacrifices if they believe there is a plan. We also need to see light at the end of the tunnel. But the work that needs to be done before we can know how to do it is important. This is pretty much the sentiment expressed by a member of the German government's Ministry of Health. (Although I have to laugh every time they use the word, "Gesundheit". b ) He said it's too early to relax the restrictions but it's not too early to plan how, and under what conditions, to relax them.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 8, 2020 17:14:03 GMT -5
Instead of making it seem like it will be soon, they should be having a committee(without Jared Kushner being in charge), that will figure out how to do it. Then lay out what the milestones that we would need to reach for the plan to be put into place. Most people can get on board with the sacrifices if they believe there is a plan. We also need to see light at the end of the tunnel. But the work that needs to be done before we can know how to do it is important. This is pretty much the sentiment expressed by a member of the German government's Ministry of Health. (Although I have to laugh every time they use the word, "Gesundheit". b ) He said it's too early to relax the restrictions but it's not too early to plan how, and under what conditions, to relax them. We will be living with this for a while. What we are doing now is attempting to prevent what happened in Italy, Spain, and NYC happen everywhere in the US, and by some more time to stock up and learn more about the virus. If we use the time appropriately, a reasonable plan can be formulated, and a gradual relaxing of the restrictions can be undertaken. That doesn’t mean sports come back, but more businesses can open, elective surgery can be started back up, and some other parts of the economy can open. Again, this is where leadership matters, something we are sorely lacking at present
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Post by MN-Investor on Apr 8, 2020 22:23:21 GMT -5
Basically the article is saying that the low oxygen in coronavirus patients is more similar to altitude sickness and that nasal cannulas may be a better approach for many of them, that forcing oxygen into the lungs may be causing more damage than assistance.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 9, 2020 7:21:04 GMT -5
I happened to read this yesterday after we got done talking about it. Apparently Google's spy network is still hard at work. www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/04/09/us/politics/ap-us-virus-outbreak-washington.htmlDr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, said if the existing guidelines asking people to practice social distancing through the end of April are successful in halting the spread of the virus, more relaxed recommendations could be in order.What Fauci says makes sense and I think gives people hope. We may have to still wear masks, obsessively wash our hands etc for a long time till a treatment or vaccine is found but I am likely not going to have to live locked away from my relatives and people aren't going to have to remain jobless till 2022.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 7:26:03 GMT -5
Wuhan is not very open, many of those huge high rises are still barricaded since there are people who have tested positive Hmmm, news reports last night and today made it appear otherwise. Ex's wife that is from the area that still has family there says there are a few quarantined residence buildings, but for the most part the floodgates have been opened and everyone is out and about.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 9, 2020 7:48:20 GMT -5
Basically the article is saying that the low oxygen in coronavirus patients is more similar to altitude sickness and that nasal cannulas may be a better approach for many of them, that forcing oxygen into the lungs may be causing more damage than assistance.
This is along the lines of “this time is different “. They are arguing against some laws of physiology. We know that low oxygen levels are dangerous to brain, heart, ands kidney function. So, in all other instances, we attempt to keep oxygen levels above a certain number. If we can’t, we place people on ventilators. Those arguing otherwise need to explain why it is safe. In reference to the other points; to correct low oxygen without a ventilator, we have nasal cannula, high flow oxygen cannula, oxygen masks, and cpap/bipap. Initially, high flow and bipap were avoided because the generated large amounts of aerosols, increasing the risk of infections to healthcare workers. So, once we could not get an adequate oxygen level with the other 2 modes, we went to intubation and mechanical ventilation. Is this right, who knows. The problem with new illness is we have to make it up as we go along, utilize ng the rules we have to guide us. I am skeptical that not placing these patients on ventilators for the same reasons as we would for others is appropriate, but I could be wrong. Finally, I agree that the physiology of these patients when they are on the ventilator is unique and interesting, and we will likely learn new things from this experience. It may even change the way we look at respiratory failure. One reason why this is a great field, there is always something new to learn. Hope that answers your question, and is not too long winded
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Post by MN-Investor on Apr 9, 2020 9:41:34 GMT -5
Hope that answers your question, and is not too long winded Thank you for responding! I posted a link to that article on my Facebook page and my sister, who had a PhD in physiology, replied. She had listened to a podcast of ER doctors and they were interviewing an ER doctor from New York City. He was saying that nasal cannulas on high flow were buying them a day or two before they had to put patients on ventilators, so they were valuable in that respect. That makes sense.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 9, 2020 10:04:36 GMT -5
We are fortunate to be retired, that I have stocked most everything we need, and that we are also rural. A lot of things in our favor. I do have to go out next week for a pickup grocery order. So far we are all healthy, I hope. Hubs is out and about, but around no one. He gets gas, works at the rental, is mowing grass today. He did talk to our nearest neighbor but I imagine they were not close. His wife is a retired RN. They are usually all over volunteering but the last couple of weeks have been home too. Her health is not good
We only have a few relatives, hubs talks to his mom periodically on skype. She does not understand what is going on.
He has a cousin with cancer that is sequestered in a nursing home, I'm sure she has no resistance to anything as she was/is? undergoing chemo again. I need to write her.
Indiana is doing poorly 6351 and 245 deaths, we have 36 in the county north of us and more in surrounding counties, ours is still maintaining at 4. If the rest of Indiana is like here people running all over, no wonder we have such a high rate of infection. We are a small state, should not be like this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 10:25:29 GMT -5
The number of people who are successfully weaned off of a vent is very small. The stat I saw was something like 5%.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 9, 2020 10:48:30 GMT -5
Hope that answers your question, and is not too long winded Thank you for responding! I posted a link to that article on my Facebook page and my sister, who had a PhD in physiology, replied. She had listened to a podcast of ER doctors and they were interviewing an ER doctor from New York City. He was saying that nasal cannulas on high flow were buying them a day or two before they had to put patients on ventilators, so they were valuable in that respect. That makes sense.
In a crisis, buying time helps, but I am skeptical that most of these patients can avoid intubation if they are that severely hypoxic
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Post by Ryan on Apr 9, 2020 10:57:18 GMT -5
Nothing will open before 6/1. Need to see infections decreasing significantly before they will open. This is the message we should be getting from the Trump administration. People need to be prepared for it to go on that long That I can handle. I could also handle if by 6/1 they had to say we go out to 7/1 so forth and so on. I cannot, as a person with anxiety/depression, deal with the thought that this could last till 2022. I have to take it day by day or I may end up being one of those people that takes herself out. The fact of the matter is we don't know either way. So nobody needs to be getting on a high horse right now about how long we "have to" do this in either direction and trying to make others feel bad about their thoughts/feelings on the matter which I have been seeing A LOT of on social media. We got enough problems right now without people playing arm chair scientists. Even the real ones don't know for sure so unless you have information they don't keep your lectures to yourself. This has been my exact feeling this entire time. I'm a little surprised that all these people think Cuomo is doing a good job. Why? Because he's being a "straight talker" by telling people that nothing will be the same, that it's going to last into next year. How does he know? He has no idea. The scientists that are advising him have no idea. People are locked up in their houses now without jobs, do you think it's a good idea to tell them that the current reality is going to last another year? A much more prudent thing is to say is "We're dealing with new info all the time. I'm not going to speculate, I'm just going to say to follow the current recommendation and then we'll revise as we see where we're at". Don't even get me started on armchair public health experts. They read a handful of articles and all the sudden they think they are Jonas Salk. I'm supposed to go to Disney in June. We have a friend that is supposed to go a little later than us and they already cancelled. They were surprised that we haven't cancelled yet either and my wife started second guessing herself. I told her the probability is very high that we'll cancel and we and my kids know that. But if I am not out any money by waiting, why wouldn't I just wait until it gets closer? The bottom line is that nobody knows what we'll be looking like in a few weeks. Remember those stories about Italy? People dying in the ICU, beds all over the place, this is your future in 7 days! Well that didn't happen here even though we didn't lock it down soon enough. People don't know, they are just guessing. The problem is that if everyone is guessing, it's probably drowning out the people that might actually have a clue.
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