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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 24, 2020 16:05:40 GMT -5
If your dogs will jump a three-foot fence, they will run right through an electric fence for something they really want. Then they won't want to come back in the yard, because they'll get shocked again when they pass over the threshold. There are a LOT of dogs that will jump a relatively insignificant 3-foot fence who can be contained by an electric one. Last year, I watched a large dog jump my six-foot wooden privacy fence into my backyard to chase after the cats which live there. When I went out to the backyard to chase him away, he leaped back over the six-foot privacy fence to escape.
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Post by tractor on Jan 24, 2020 16:06:36 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife Mansplaining. Drives me crazy. What? We can't possibly be as smart and competent as they are? I for sure wouldn't chance spending a king's ransom on an electric fence because once you've got it, you've got it and paid for it whether it works on your dogs or not. BTW, have you moved in yet? When he gave me directions on how to check a contractor's license online and verify the "other guy" isn't trying to rip me off, that was it for me... I'm not challenged and know how to use the internet. It's one thing to claim you build a superior fence and quite another to tell me everyone else is out to get me and can't build a decent fence, when you just quoted me $40+ a foot to build one... No, I haven't moved yet. I am in escrow and still staying with my mom. Escrow is set to close on 2/13 or sooner. Hoping for sooner, but it's still snowing up there every day so I will need to wait for a few clear days to move anyway. I plan to buy some rope and carabiners to use as a short-term solution when my dogs need to go out, but I really need to find a workable alternative before living there too long. My dogs aren't used to being leashed or tied and it's going to be a PITA until they can run free in the yard. Just a word of caution, don’t put both dogs on one cable, numerous times one dog ends of strangling the other dog with his lead and it usually doesn’t end well.
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Post by WholeLottaNothin on Jan 24, 2020 16:10:20 GMT -5
We have a 6 foot cedar privacy fence about 200 feet installed back in 2016 when we closed on our house and it cost about $5K.
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Post by bookkeeper on Jan 24, 2020 18:31:38 GMT -5
DH and I replaced the fence on our current house. We built a 6 ft. high alternating cedar slat fence around 60 ft. long for about $2000. In our case the demo took as long as building the fence. No one had ever cut out the volunteer trees that started growing in the old fence line. Tree roots, stumps and rock all had to be dug out to build the new fence. We didn't need a gym membership after running a heavy spud/pry bar to clear our fence line. We used a manual post hole digger and packed the posts with rock and pea rock. Many of the original posts had rotted off right at the level the post cement was in the hole. All in all it took 2 people about 2 weeks to finish.
We chose the alternating slat fence design because that was what was originally built when the house was new. It had stood for 40 years, so we figured the same design would give us the privacy we needed and stand up to the prairie wind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 18:52:08 GMT -5
My mom has been offering to keep my younger dog who is a PITA and prefers my mom to me. I was with my son when she was young and my other son didn't train her at all, so she has some weird quirks I haven't been able to train out of her.
My older dog is very well trained and would be a lot easier to deal with both with and without a fence. So, I may travel to my new house with only my older dog and that would be ideal.
Walking my dog(s) in the snow in the middle of the night isn't happening. That's just a snarky comment that isn't necessary nor appreciated.
Keeping them on a lead outdoors is the short-term solution.
The more I think about it, the more I really do want a privacy fence of some sort because I like my privacy and spending time outdoors without the neighbors potentially watching everything I'm doing. I also think it helps the value of my property if I decide to sell it at some point.
I'll see how the second quote comes back. If it's <10K, I will pay him to put in the fence. If it's over, I will come up with some other solution. The yard has two rows of trees along the back, so making a smaller fenced area wouldn't really work and would look weird.
I have a couple friends who offered to make the trip up and have a fence building week if I decide to tackle the job myself. I would rather just pay someone and be done with it. I did buy the house knowing I would have to pay for fencing, but the 13K was a bit of a shock...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 19:39:20 GMT -5
I would do the dog run for now. Our neighbors have 3 acres, mostly in the front of the house, but fenced off just a portion of their backyard to accommodate their dogs. Or as others have said, buy a couple of leashes and walk them yourself. My cocker spaniel has never been without a leash. Her harness is a little big on her so sometimes she slips out when she plants her feet and refuses to come in the direction I want to go. She then stops and waits patiently for me to put it back on. Or else she trots up to the door to wait on me. And we live in the country with squirrels and rabbits to chase. She just doesn't know what life is like off the leash, which works for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 20:54:46 GMT -5
I would do the dog run for now. Our neighbors have 3 acres, mostly in the front of the house, but fenced off just a portion of their backyard to accommodate their dogs. Or as others have said, buy a couple of leashes and walk them yourself. My cocker spaniel has never been without a leash. Her harness is a little big on her so sometimes she slips out when she plants her feet and refuses to come in the direction I want to go. She then stops and waits patiently for me to put it back on. Or else she trots up to the door to wait on me. And we live in the country with squirrels and rabbits to chase. She just doesn't know what life is like off the leash, which works for me. Neither of my dogs have ever been leashed. And, I'm not walking them. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 24, 2020 21:06:12 GMT -5
Well, I wasn’t trying to be snarky, my dogs need to go out, I take them out. Even if I put them out in the backyard at night, I mostly go out with them because we have coyotes in the area and I live in fear of them grabbing one of my dogs.
I don’t know if I should be more paranoid at night, but I honestly am more worried about coyotes than people.
I looked at some fence designs that used cedar posts, and a cedar top and bottom rail with vinyl coated hog wire in the center. I liked the look. My MIL had a privacy fence on 3 sides, but not on her driveway side that lead to the alley. We did this type of fence on that section of her back yard so she can see the cars in the driveway/potentially see if someone is messing with the cars.
Eta: As I said I have smaller dogs, they seem to get really rambunctious if they are not walked. I hear bigger dogs have less energy/don’t need as much exercise. I worked with a lady that had a Rottweiler she put on a lead wire all the time. He loved being outside, so that was her best solution short of a fence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 21:14:48 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife, walking the dogs is something that's done mostly by people who live in suburbia and not likely in any kind of harsh climate. I don't blame you. I wouldn't do it, either. When we lived in the UP it was out of the question. No way we were going to be walking the dog in a wind chill of -30 or worse and/or in a blizzard with the wind howling between 30 and 50 mph or a sNOw storm dropping an inch an hour of sNOw. They don't get it because if you've never lived in it it's unimaginable.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 24, 2020 21:18:42 GMT -5
There's a foot of snow on the ground and my dogs go out in the middle of the night. Walking them on a leash isn't a viable option. Well, I live in the suburbs of Milwaukee, and I do have a fenced backyard - but before I got the fence, my Dogs got in the habit of Mom walking them around the block. Even if we put them out in the backyard, one of my Dogs will come right back in the house and expect to go for a walk. So, I walk my dogs every night before I go to bed. If they want to go out in the middle of the night - I take them out. We go around the block...and I rarely even take my phone.
LOL your dogs have you well trained.
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Post by dannylion on Jan 24, 2020 21:36:20 GMT -5
Do you have lighted/blinky collars for the dogs? My dog buddy has one, and it helps me keep track of her when I'm taking care of her and she goes out in the back yard at night (I have a fence). I can see her from the deck, so I don't have to risk my bum knees on the uneven ground to go find her when she becomes enthralled by some scent she has found.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 23:19:47 GMT -5
Well, I live in the suburbs of Milwaukee, and I do have a fenced backyard - but before I got the fence, my Dogs got in the habit of Mom walking them around the block. Even if we put them out in the backyard, one of my Dogs will come right back in the house and expect to go for a walk. So, I walk my dogs every night before I go to bed. If they want to go out in the middle of the night - I take them out. We go around the block...and I rarely even take my phone.
LOL your dogs have you well trained. Walking at night at my house is a quick dash out and in. Her business part has long been done. It gets really cold in Alabama . . . into single digits even, in the morning. You bundle up. Your dog walking themselves is a luxury.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 23:24:16 GMT -5
I would do the dog run for now. Our neighbors have 3 acres, mostly in the front of the house, but fenced off just a portion of their backyard to accommodate their dogs. Or as others have said, buy a couple of leashes and walk them yourself. My cocker spaniel has never been without a leash. Her harness is a little big on her so sometimes she slips out when she plants her feet and refuses to come in the direction I want to go. She then stops and waits patiently for me to put it back on. Or else she trots up to the door to wait on me. And we live in the country with squirrels and rabbits to chase. She just doesn't know what life is like off the leash, which works for me. Neither of my dogs have ever been leashed. And, I'm not walking them. Not sure why that's so hard to understand. Never? What about when you're traveling with them or taking them to the vet? I can see carrying a small dog around but aren't yours both large?
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Post by bean29 on Jan 24, 2020 23:44:31 GMT -5
Do you have lighted/blinky collars for the dogs? My dog buddy has one, and it helps me keep track of her when I'm taking care of her and she goes out in the back yard at night (I have a fence). I can see her from the deck, so I don't have to risk my bun knees on the uneven ground to go find her when she becomes enthralled by some scent she has found. No, I have landscape lighting, and if I want more light, I can flip the switch on my pillars around my firepit. My patio is very large, dh snow blows all the snow off it, and he shovels a circle path around the fire pit for the dogs in the winter. We also clean off the upper deck and the stairs down to the yard. Sometimes I walk down to the yard with the dogs, sometimes I stay on the upper deck. If it is really cold, I sit by the sliding door and wait for them to come to the door. The small one loves the snow. He will just flop down and lay in it, he would stay outside all day if we let him.
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Post by bean29 on Jan 25, 2020 0:02:42 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife, walking the dogs is something that's done mostly by people who live in suburbia and not likely in any kind of harsh climate. I don't blame you. I wouldn't do it, either. When we lived in the UP it was out of the question. No way we were going to be walking the dog in a wind chill of -30 or worse and/or in a blizzard with the wind howling between 30 and 50 mph or a sNOw storm dropping an inch an hour of sNOw. They don't get it because if you've never lived in it it's unimaginable. Lol 😂 I live in Wisconsin, MI and MN are our neighbors. We had -46 below last winter. I buy my coats from Eddie Bauer, I wear gloves, boots, a hat and a scarf. The dogs don’t care if it is cold, they still want to go for a walk. But during that extreme cold snap they got down to business quickly and hotfooted it back inside.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 25, 2020 14:41:15 GMT -5
LOL your dogs have you well trained. Walking at night at my house is a quick dash out and in. Her business part has long been done. It gets really cold in Alabama . . . into single digits even, in the morning. You bundle up. Your dog walking themselves is a luxury. My dogs are lucky if I get up in the middle of the night to open the back door! No way I'm getting dressed for a walk! Leash walking is my last choice for their excercise, i don't walk fast and that's not mmuch excercise for them. I have a small yard so i take them to the dog park weather permitting. I have one i don't have to leash but the other one is a runner. Thank goodness they are small dogs and can play fetch in the house.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 14:55:38 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife , walking the dogs is something that's done mostly by people who live in suburbia and not likely in any kind of harsh climate. I don't blame you. I wouldn't do it, either. When we lived in the UP it was out of the question. No way we were going to be walking the dog in a wind chill of -30 or worse and/or in a blizzard with the wind howling between 30 and 50 mph or a sNOw storm dropping an inch an hour of sNOw. They don't get it because if you've never lived in it it's unimaginable. Lol 😂 I live in Wisconsin, MI and MN are our neighbors. We had -46 below last winter. I buy my coats from Eddie Bauer, I wear gloves, boots, a hat and a scarf. The dogs don’t care if it is cold, they still want to go for a walk. But during that extreme cold snap they got down to business quickly and hotfooted it back inside. My parents in their mid-70's walk their dog twice a day every day year round in a Minneapolis suburb, they still have a fenced backyard to let her out in otherwise though. When I drive past the lake in the morning there are tons of people on the bike path walking their dogs in all kinds of weather.
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Post by geenamercile on Jan 25, 2020 15:55:32 GMT -5
Does it have to be wood. There are white plastic 6ft fences that maybe cheaper. They seem to last longer too.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 25, 2020 16:32:24 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife
I don't understand the snark here. I think it's some of the same people as did it before.
Show them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 18:07:28 GMT -5
We will be looking into getting a privacy fence this year. I’m prepared for it to be kinda expensive because of the size of the area we want to fence in. IIRC our neighborhood covenant forbids chain link fences, so I guess it’s good that I prefer a privacy fence anyway.
We have some junk that will have to be cleared away before a fence can be installed, a piece of old wood fence along the back perimeter, and some volunteer bushes and small trees along the property line on 2 sides. More $.
I’m not one for walking dogs in cold or rainy weather either. I prefer to just let them out the back door into the fenced back yard and wait for them to come knock on the door to come inside. And walk them, take them to parks when the weather is better.
I don’t have a dog right now, but DBF does. We do have a small area around the deck that’s enclosed with chain link fencing, but it’s not enough area for her to run and play. So DBF still has to walk her to get her some exercise. Plus, I’m not real thrilled about her always doing her business so close to the deck. I use to use a pooper scooper to keep dog poop out of my backyard when I had dogs, mostly because it was my understanding that it can draw rats, plus my kids and I played in the backyard and I didn’t want dog poop everywhere for us to step in. DBF doesn’t seem to be interested in cleaning it up. I guess we’ll revisit when it gets warm enough to use the deck again. Im pretty sure it won’t smell too good out there.
I want another dog some day, but not before we get a fence for the backyard.
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Post by Sharon on Jan 25, 2020 19:03:26 GMT -5
You may have dealt with this issue at your previous place but would your fencing choice be dependent on the rattle snake population where you are moving?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 19:05:51 GMT -5
I’m not one for walking dogs in cold or rainy weather either. I prefer to just let them out the back door into the fenced back yard and wait for them to come knock on the door to come inside. What? The dogs you've had before didn't know how to ring the bell?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 19:18:11 GMT -5
I’m not one for walking dogs in cold or rainy weather either. I prefer to just let them out the back door into the fenced back yard and wait for them to come knock on the door to come inside. What? The dogs you've had before didn't know how to ring the bell? Lol, there wasn’t a doorbell at that door. The last 2 were big dogs, one weighed over 100lbs, so knocking was pretty effective at getting their humans’ attention.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Jan 25, 2020 20:41:36 GMT -5
A dog run off the back door so you can let the dog out at night. I don't remember a clothes line in the yard. The leash on the clothes line is a great idea for day time. Shasta isn't in CA anymore, if I remember correctly, OR.
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Post by oped on Jan 25, 2020 20:48:07 GMT -5
My dog can open any door in this house and let himself out if they aren’t locked... he does not close them after himself however.
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Post by seriousthistime on Jan 25, 2020 21:39:15 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife I don't understand the snark here. I think it's some of the same people as did it before. Show them. Really? Is that where we are? If we don't agree, there's no room for disagreement, we just pile on the "you go, girl" stuff? I have had large dogs (think Lab size and larger) in the coldest of Midwestern climates. I have a friend who lives in the Windy City in a high rise very near the lake and has gotten up in the middle of the night to take her dog out (safety be damned). I had an invisible fence when I lived in the country and it worked for some of my dogs but others would just take the zap and run through it. And getting them back into the yard was tough, as someone said. Eventually when the lawn aerator didn't wait for me to get home and aerated the lawn and chewed up the invisible fence, the dogs got through so many times that even after it was repaired their training was ruined. After that I was taking two Labs for minimum twice-a-day walks, one at a time, in the snow, ice, and pouring rain, at all hours of the day and night. That was in addition to tie-outs from the deck for quick potty breaks. Even when I had a 6 foot high cedar fence after I moved to the city, I would frequently dash out into the snow in bare feet at all hours of the day and night to drag my dogs away from the fence when something on the other side was driving them nuts and they were barking like fools. Saying you can't do something is different than saying you won't do something.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 26, 2020 8:41:09 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife I don't understand the snark here. I think it's some of the same people as did it before. Show them. The snark for everything Shasta mentions since she put her place on the market is unreal. Why don't people just stop it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 11:37:40 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife I don't understand the snark here. I think it's some of the same people as did it before. Show them. The snark for everything Shasta mentions since she put her place on the market is unreal. Why don't people just stop it. Perhaps because certain people feel like they are better than other people and get off on it? And, it is, and always has been, sanctioned on this board. I've learned to recognize it for what it is, and understand narcissism in a different way than I used to, so I choose to ignore it. I don't owe anyone an explanation or need external validation in my life. As humans we are all different. Honestly, I often feel sorry for people who think life is all about living a certain way and if you stray from that "ideal" your life is worth less. I think there are a lot of poorer folks living better lives in many regards than those who "have it all".
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 26, 2020 11:41:44 GMT -5
This is the reason why I won't share $$$ amounts.
Too many holier than though people who have never made a financial mistake (or any other kind) and live perfect lives.
I will take my life over yours any day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 12:02:07 GMT -5
I guess I'm one of the snarky ones since I don't see it. My reasoning for pushing for the tie out and walking was to prevent a financial mistake, not make fun of her for making one (I'm not even sure what that is honestly). She only has this savings to live off of for who knows how long. Spending 13K on a fence doesn't seem like a good idea at all and I would hope people would tell me the same thing if it was me.
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