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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 29, 2020 15:15:46 GMT -5
This is what I was thinking. If it's ok that dogs have to pee at night but only acceptable to open the back door that would mean no one without a fenced yard should own a dog and that's crazy. If you're not willing to buy a house with a fenced yard for your dog you shouldn't have one. ?!? Apartment dogs get more exercise than house and yard dogs.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 29, 2020 15:25:21 GMT -5
If you're not willing to buy a house with a fenced yard for your dog you shouldn't have one. ?!? Apartment dogs get more exercise than house and yard dogs. That's just not true.
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Post by tskeeter on Jan 29, 2020 15:27:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't *necessarily* assume you'll need to replace the appliances either, unless you've already been told they don't work or are on the fritz. I have seen multiple instances of older appliances (20-30 years old and older) holding out better than new ones. Especially washers, driers, and refrigerators. They are just making them more and more cheaply and they don't hold up as long. I'm fine with the old washer and dryer, but not so much the ancient refrigerator and stove. Both of those will be replaced when I redo the kitchen. I'm hoping to catch an energy rebate when I do it, but regardless they need replacement. Shasta, when buying appliances, try shopping for scratch and dent models. Our fridge had a dent or two on the side, where it would be hidden by a side panel for a cabinet. The dent reduced the price by nearly $1,000.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 29, 2020 15:28:33 GMT -5
I'm fine with the old washer and dryer, but not so much the ancient refrigerator and stove. Both of those will be replaced when I redo the kitchen. I'm hoping to catch an energy rebate when I do it, but regardless they need replacement. Shasta, when buying appliances, try shopping for scratch and dent models. Our fridge had a dent or two on the side, where it would be hidden by a side panel for a cabinet. The dent reduced the price by nearly $1,000. Or going someplace like a Habitat for Humanity Restore, brand new appliances with warranties for a LOT less money.
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Post by tskeeter on Jan 29, 2020 15:33:01 GMT -5
Shasta, when buying appliances, try shopping for scratch and dent models. Our fridge had a dent or two on the side, where it would be hidden by a side panel for a cabinet. The dent reduced the price by nearly $1,000. Or going someplace like a Habitat for Humanity Restore, brand new appliances with warranties for a LOT less money. Great suggestion. I’ve not seen new appliances at Habitat before.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 15:35:08 GMT -5
?!? Apartment dogs get more exercise than house and yard dogs. That's just not true. Hmmm....let's see. Apartment dog. Force walked several times a day and/or taken to dog parks/doggie daycare. House dog with lazy ass owner that won't put a coat on to go outside sits around by the fireplace, then quickly goes outside to do his business and comes back in. If it's nice out, maybe he plops down to soak up some sun.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 29, 2020 15:36:42 GMT -5
Hmmm....let's see. Apartment dog. Force walked several times a day and/or taken to dog parks/doggie daycare. House dog with lazy ass owner that won't put a coat on to go outside sits around by the fireplace, then quickly goes outside to do his business and comes back in. If it's nice out, maybe he plops down to soak up some sun. That's a lazy dog, not a lazy owner.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 15:46:45 GMT -5
Hmmm....let's see. Apartment dog. Force walked several times a day and/or taken to dog parks/doggie daycare. House dog with lazy ass owner that won't put a coat on to go outside sits around by the fireplace, then quickly goes outside to do his business and comes back in. If it's nice out, maybe he plops down to soak up some sun. That's a lazy dog, not a lazy owner. It's most definitely both.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 29, 2020 15:47:46 GMT -5
Only lazy people own houses...people who aren't lazy live in apartments. That's facts people!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 15:51:20 GMT -5
Only lazy people own houses...people who aren't lazy live in apartments. That's facts people! Apartment dwelling dog owners are not lazy, but they're also mentally ill. Those are the facts. Everyone knows it.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 29, 2020 16:42:36 GMT -5
From what I see on Instagram, apartment dwelling cat owners let their cats go on hall walks, including some celebrity cat owners.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 16:49:00 GMT -5
I'm fine with the old washer and dryer, but not so much the ancient refrigerator and stove. Both of those will be replaced when I redo the kitchen. I'm hoping to catch an energy rebate when I do it, but regardless they need replacement. Shasta, when buying appliances, try shopping for scratch and dent models. Our fridge had a dent or two on the side, where it would be hidden by a side panel for a cabinet. The dent reduced the price by nearly $1,000. I'm all for something that's "damaged" when I can find them. As long as it isn't glaringly damaged and immediately noticeable, I could care less if my appliance is scratched or dented. I'm also all for used when I find something relatively newer and clean. The range in the house is one of those old models with the plug-in elements. I've had a solid surface stove for decades and much prefer them. Not an immediate need, but something I would like to replace. The refrigerator is a smaller one which is fine, but it appears to be at least 20 years old. I'll have to see how old it actually is (I discovered recently they all have tags inside that list their manufacture year) and see if it makes noise. New electric water heaters and refrigerators use a lot less energy and I think make a lot of sense to replace. I know that right now the local power co-op offers a rebate for a fridge and a $200 rebate for a new water heater. Once I've lived there for a month or two I will be able to see how much power things are using and make a better decision. If money were no option, I'd love one of the new retro-look fridges to fit with the era of the house.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 29, 2020 17:44:41 GMT -5
Only lazy people own houses...people who aren't lazy live in apartments. That's facts people! Apartment dwelling dog owners are not lazy, but they're also mentally ill. Those are the facts. Everyone knows it.
You better run for cover. I believe chiver78 will be back tomorrow
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Post by sesfw on Jan 29, 2020 21:41:14 GMT -5
New electric water heaters and refrigerators use a lot less energy and I think make a lot of sense to replace. I know that right now the local power co-op offers a rebate for a fridge and a $200 rebate for a new water heater.
Are you in an area where a solar water heater would make sense? Something to think about. We had one in Flagstaff AZ in the 1970s and it cut our electric bill by 1/3. With all the rebates and tax credits the payback was about 19 months.
Our home was total electric with a propane furnace.
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Post by haapai on Jan 29, 2020 22:15:49 GMT -5
The range in the house is one of those old models with the plug-in elements. I've had a solid surface stove for decades and much prefer them. Not an immediate need, but something I would like to replace. The refrigerator is a smaller one which is fine, but it appears to be at least 20 years old. I'll have to see how old it actually is (I discovered recently they all have tags inside that list their manufacture year) and see if it makes noise. New electric water heaters and refrigerators use a lot less energy and I think make a lot of sense to replace. I know that right now the local power co-op offers a rebate for a fridge and a $200 rebate for a new water heater. Once I've lived there for a month or two I will be able to see how much power things are using and make a better decision. If money were no option, I'd love one of the new retro-look fridges to fit with the era of the house. I also love retro-looking fridges, but I cannot possibly justify actually plugging one of them in unless the retro shell was being used to house more modern elements. Fridges are notorious energy hogs and the repayment period for replacing one is insanely short.
A friend gave me a 10-year-old fridge when I bought this place about ten years ago. I was glad to have it, mostly because I was worried about the house being declared uninhabitable if I did not put a fridge into it ASAP, and, secondarily, because I was broke.
Two years later, it bit the dust and I replaced it with something just as functional. The electric bill dropped by $20 a month, which translated into a two-year payback period for replacing the energy-hog with something at the bottom of the range.
I still kick myself for not realizing or believing how much electricity fridges, especially old fridges suck up. You can pretty much replace every appliance in your house by first replacing the old fridge.
ETA: There are energy-suck-measuring gizmos out there that you can sandwich between an appliance and an outlet to get a read on how much power the appliance is drawing. The last time that I read up on them they seemed to run $20-$50, but if buying one of them speeds up your decision-making on a real energy-hog by even a month, it will probably be worth it.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 30, 2020 7:50:12 GMT -5
The range in the house is one of those old models with the plug-in elements. I've had a solid surface stove for decades and much prefer them. Not an immediate need, but something I would like to replace. The refrigerator is a smaller one which is fine, but it appears to be at least 20 years old. I'll have to see how old it actually is (I discovered recently they all have tags inside that list their manufacture year) and see if it makes noise. New electric water heaters and refrigerators use a lot less energy and I think make a lot of sense to replace. I know that right now the local power co-op offers a rebate for a fridge and a $200 rebate for a new water heater. Once I've lived there for a month or two I will be able to see how much power things are using and make a better decision. If money were no option, I'd love one of the new retro-look fridges to fit with the era of the house. I also love retro-looking fridges, but I cannot possibly justify actually plugging one of them in unless the retro shell was being used to house more modern elements. Fridges are notorious energy hogs and the repayment period for replacing one is insanely short.
A friend gave me a 10-year-old fridge when I bought this place about ten years ago. I was glad to have it, mostly because I was worried about the house being declared uninhabitable if I did not put a fridge into it ASAP, and, secondarily, because I was broke.
Two years later, it bit the dust and I replaced it with something just as functional. The electric bill dropped by $20 a month, which translated into a two-year payback period for replacing the energy-hog with something at the bottom of the range.
I still kick myself for not realizing or believing how much electricity fridges, especially old fridges suck up. You can pretty much replace every appliance in your house by first replacing the old fridge.
ETA: There are energy-suck-measuring gizmos out there that you can sandwich between an appliance and an outlet to get a read on how much power the appliance is drawing. The last time that I read up on them they seemed to run $20-$50, but if buying one of them speeds up your decision-making on a real energy-hog by even a month, it will probably be worth it.
Our public library loans them out for free, although I suspect Shasta’s new library will be smaller and have fewer cool offerings because of the remote area, but I could be wrong.
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Post by gs11rmb on Jan 30, 2020 9:00:09 GMT -5
New electric water heaters and refrigerators use a lot less energy and I think make a lot of sense to replace. I know that right now the local power co-op offers a rebate for a fridge and a $200 rebate for a new water heater.Are you in an area where a solar water heater would make sense? Something to think about. We had one in Flagstaff AZ in the 1970s and it cut our electric bill by 1/3. With all the rebates and tax credits the payback was about 19 months. Our home was total electric with a propane furnace. Shasta is in Oregon. I'm pretty sure the Pacific North West has a teeny bit less sun than Arizona .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 12:15:32 GMT -5
New electric water heaters and refrigerators use a lot less energy and I think make a lot of sense to replace. I know that right now the local power co-op offers a rebate for a fridge and a $200 rebate for a new water heater.Are you in an area where a solar water heater would make sense? Something to think about. We had one in Flagstaff AZ in the 1970s and it cut our electric bill by 1/3. With all the rebates and tax credits the payback was about 19 months. Our home was total electric with a propane furnace. Shasta is in Oregon. I'm pretty sure the Pacific North West has a teeny bit less sun than Arizona . I'm actually in the Eastern part of Oregon near Idaho and in the high desert. So, not a bad suggestion. I have a friend who installed a solar water heater where I used to live and it's a very similar climate. I think they use electric as a backup power. The other consideration is I will be living alone and won't have a dishwasher, so I don't need a 50 gallon water heater. If the existing one is both old and huge, it might make sense to replace it with the $200 rebate and the "buy local credit" they offer and put in a smaller one at the same time. I do think the refrigerator will be the biggest energy hog and should be first on the list. And, yes, the retro fridges are new and just look like old ones.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 30, 2020 15:50:25 GMT -5
Shasta, when buying appliances, try shopping for scratch and dent models. Our fridge had a dent or two on the side, where it would be hidden by a side panel for a cabinet. The dent reduced the price by nearly $1,000. I'm all for something that's "damaged" when I can find them. As long as it isn't glaringly damaged and immediately noticeable, I could care less if my appliance is scratched or dented. I'm also all for used when I find something relatively newer and clean. The range in the house is one of those old models with the plug-in elements. I've had a solid surface stove for decades and much prefer them. Not an immediate need, but something I would like to replace. The refrigerator is a smaller one which is fine, but it appears to be at least 20 years old. I'll have to see how old it actually is (I discovered recently they all have tags inside that list their manufacture year) and see if it makes noise. New electric water heaters and refrigerators use a lot less energy and I think make a lot of sense to replace. I know that right now the local power co-op offers a rebate for a fridge and a $200 rebate for a new water heater. Once I've lived there for a month or two I will be able to see how much power things are using and make a better decision. If money were no option, I'd love one of the new retro-look fridges to fit with the era of the house. You might want to rethink this. Our appliances are 26+ years old, and despite the fact I desperately want a gas stove, I do not like the idea of planned obsolescence that is built into today’s appliances. Everything depends on a computer board, expensive to replace and lasts about 7 years. So we are replacing when they can no longer be fixed. We had to replace our dishwasher a few years ago. Old one croaked. We have had to replace the handle on the door, it just broke off last week. It’s only 3 years old, and a Bosch. I love it, hate the electronics. I am think8n* it is going to need to be replaced again before the stove.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 17:22:27 GMT -5
I put a new computer in my last stove. It was about $75 and took about 20 minutes. Thankfully, while newer appliances can be a problem, they do have parts available and fixing them is fairly straightforward.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 30, 2020 18:52:20 GMT -5
?!? Apartment dogs get more exercise than house and yard dogs. That's just not true. How do you know? I suspect how much exercise a dog gets is more due to the type of dog they are and who they are owned by rather than where they live. TD takes the dog for long walks (always has). I do not. Harpo hated walking so went on walks reluctantly and had to be dragged, Harriet adores walks will walk as long as you are walking. She knows she gets her long walks from TD, her short ones from me.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 31, 2020 9:36:30 GMT -5
Apartment dwelling dog owners are not lazy, but they're also mentally ill. Those are the facts. Everyone knows it.
You better run for cover. I believe chiver78 will be back tomorrow oh boy. those are some loaded words....
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 31, 2020 9:39:36 GMT -5
You better run for cover. I believe chiver78 will be back tomorrow oh boy. those are some loaded words....
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