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Post by imawino on Jan 27, 2020 21:49:48 GMT -5
I'm seriously wondering what someone living in a NYC apartment is supposed to do with their dog if they need to go out at night to be considered sane? Let them pee on the floor? Ooooh, good question!
That actually applies not just to this mythical NYC penthouse person but really any apartment/condo/urban dweller. I can't wait to find out what the only acceptable solution is!
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 27, 2020 21:51:51 GMT -5
You can deflect all you want. Walking your dogs in the middle of the night is nuts. Deflect? It was a joke, and I thought quite funny, not a deflection. And even saying "deflect" makes you sound like a Trump mouthpiece.
That's just rude!
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Post by imawino on Jan 27, 2020 21:54:17 GMT -5
Deflect? It was a joke, and I thought quite funny, not a deflection. And even saying "deflect" makes you sound like a Trump mouthpiece.
That's just rude! LOL. It's a standard republican response! "Deflection! You're deflecting!" I can't even see the word anymore without getting repulsed.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 27, 2020 21:59:40 GMT -5
I'm seriously wondering what someone living in a NYC apartment is supposed to do with their dog if they need to go out at night to be considered sane? Let them pee on the floor? Ooooh, good question!
That actually applies not just to this mythical NYC penthouse person but really any apartment/condo/urban dweller. I can't wait to find out what the only acceptable solution is!
When we bought our house four years ago was the first time I've ever lived on property with a fence. I have no idea how I grew up in a house full of dogs that needed to occasionally go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. Those were dark times.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 27, 2020 22:16:16 GMT -5
I'm seriously wondering what someone living in a NYC apartment is supposed to do with their dog if they need to go out at night to be considered sane? Let them pee on the floor? Ooooh, good question!
That actually applies not just to this mythical NYC penthouse person but really any apartment/condo/urban dweller. I can't wait to find out what the only acceptable solution is!
Those people should have cats.
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Post by tskeeter on Jan 27, 2020 22:24:32 GMT -5
Shasta, I expect that a fair chunk of your fence quote is removal of the existing fence. You are quite active, so I bet you are capable of doing the demo yourself. The contractor probably plans to remove the existing posts and the concrete the posts are set in. That’s not the way I would do it. I would knock out the panels, then cut off or break off the fence posts at ground level. No need to dig up the concrete the posts were set in. Just leave the concrete in the ground. New post holes are probably a lot cheaper to drill than digging up the concrete so you can use the old post locations. In order to install the new fence, just move the location of the fence posts so they don’t fall where the existing posts are. Rather than using one post at an inside corner, maybe use two posts. One on either side of the abandon concrete footing for the existing corner post. That would allow the fence to “float” at the corner while still providing the support the fence needs. $1500 of the first quote was for mechanically removing the fence including the concrete and disposing of it. $600 of the second quote was for the same. I'd considered just leaving the old fence in place but for less than 1K I can't see having to deal with stuff trapped between the two fences and having to look at it. It seems like a better plan to just pull it. Cutting off the posts and removing it that way would be an option if there wasn't 40+ posts in the ground. That's a lot of angle grinding... I may not live in this house for decades, so I think it also makes sense to consider resale issues like what the fence looks like and whether it provides privacy by creating a backyard space. The biggest drawbacks of this property for me were the excessive amount of lawn, lack of privacy, and the fact that it didn't have any fencing. I can imagine that may be the same for future buyers. The hard thing is my dogs are used to having free range of 5+ acres and barking wasn't an issue because I only had neighbors 6-8 months a year and didn't care if the dogs bothered the illegal growers. In an established neighborhood, it's different. Sawzall. Most fence posts for chain link are thin wall pipe of very mild steel. Less than a couple of hours should do it. The posts and old chain link go to the scrap yard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 22:37:10 GMT -5
Who would have thought a thread about privacy fences would be controversial...
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Post by azucena on Jan 28, 2020 4:11:20 GMT -5
Who would have thought a thread about privacy fences would be controversial... Yeah, who saw that coming?! I'm not complaining though because I'm enjoying the distraction as my own life has veered way off course this past week.
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Post by mcsangel2 on Jan 28, 2020 10:45:36 GMT -5
What the hell is happening in this thread?
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Post by bookkeeper on Jan 28, 2020 11:00:03 GMT -5
Sawzall. Most fence posts for chain link are thin wall pipe of very mild steel. Less than a couple of hours should do it. The posts and old chain link go to the scrap yard.
The old chain link should be advertised on Craigslist or Marketplace. I have made good money selling chain link fence parts I no longer wanted or needed.
The Sawzall option is good if you never want to dig where the posts were set in concrete.
Springtime is coming...this project will seem much easier to tackle with good weather.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 28, 2020 12:09:30 GMT -5
What the hell is happening in this thread? Chaos. Confusion. Ranting. If I wasn't sick, I'd probably enjoy it more but I'm basically at the 'skim for Shasta's posts in case she's got some update' stage here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 12:20:20 GMT -5
What the hell is happening in this thread? Chaos. Confusion. Ranting. If I wasn't sick, I'd probably enjoy it more but I'm basically at the 'skim for Shasta's posts in case she's got some update' stage here. I think it was the mention of my dogs. Pets bring out all sorts of weird in people because everyone has strong feelings about them. Some love them like family members, some see them as utilitarian, and everyone else tends to be somewhere in between. My update would be that I had a more serious conversation yesterday with my mom and she really does want to keep my younger dog. She gets along well with her other dogs and my mom has a lot more tolerance for her quirks than I do. Leaving my younger dog here would mean I could fence or not depending on what I want to do more than having to get it done. My older dog is really bonded to me, well trained, and doesn't tend to bark or run off. He also spends most of his day in the house by his choice.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 28, 2020 12:25:09 GMT -5
Chaos. Confusion. Ranting. If I wasn't sick, I'd probably enjoy it more but I'm basically at the 'skim for Shasta's posts in case she's got some update' stage here. I think it was the mention of my dogs. Pets bring out all sorts of weird in people because everyone has strong feelings about them. Some love them like family members, some see them as utilitarian, and everyone else tends to be somewhere in between. My update would be that I had a more serious conversation yesterday with my mom and she really does want to keep my younger dog. She gets along well with her other dogs and my mom has a lot more tolerance for her quirks than I do. Leaving my younger dog here would mean I could fence or not depending on what I want to do more than having to get it done. My older dog is really bonded to me, well trained, and doesn't tend to bark or run off. He also spends most of his day in the house by his choice. That sounds like a decent solution, leaving the younger dog with your mom. I left a cat with my Mom, when I moved out the 2nd time. The cat adored my mom. She tolerated me.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 28, 2020 12:29:55 GMT -5
Chaos. Confusion. Ranting. If I wasn't sick, I'd probably enjoy it more but I'm basically at the 'skim for Shasta's posts in case she's got some update' stage here. I think it was the mention of my dogs. Pets bring out all sorts of weird in people because everyone has strong feelings about them. Some love them like family members, some see them as utilitarian, and everyone else tends to be somewhere in between. My update would be that I had a more serious conversation yesterday with my mom and she really does want to keep my younger dog. She gets along well with her other dogs and my mom has a lot more tolerance for her quirks than I do. Leaving my younger dog here would mean I could fence or not depending on what I want to do more than having to get it done. My older dog is really bonded to me, well trained, and doesn't tend to bark or run off. He also spends most of his day in the house by his choice. With the solution that at night you're just opening the door and letting him run free to do his business?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 12:46:42 GMT -5
With the solution that at night you're just opening the door and letting him run free to do his business? No, I would probably clip him to a long rope or need to keep an eye on him at least until he understands where "his" yard is. When he goes out at night he isn't interested in exploring. He wants to pee and go back to his warm bed just like the human does. My older dog likes to go in the car and adventure with me. The younger one is a major pain to get into the car and hates it. So, when I leave home in decent weather or to go adventure I will take him with me. Otherwise I can leave him in the house and he will just sleep while I am gone. I would still like the privacy of a backyard. But, I like the idea of living in the house for a while and then deciding how much I am willing to pay for that privacy.
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Post by gambler on Jan 28, 2020 15:16:00 GMT -5
You can get a 6 foot chain link with privacy slats. Basically green (only ones I ever see are green) slats woven thought
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 28, 2020 16:26:06 GMT -5
Shasta, leaving the younger dog with your mother sounds like a good solution for the dog, your mom and you.
Good idea to live in the house for a bit and then make a decision on the fence.
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Post by Works4me on Jan 29, 2020 3:30:40 GMT -5
You can get a 6 foot chain link with privacy slats. Basically green (only ones I ever see are green) slats woven thought Slats also come in brown. Shasta - I really like your plan to live in the house for a bit before deciding about the fencing. Letting your mother afoot the younger dog sounds like the best idea for all of you. I also like the way you are thoroughly thinking situations through, carefully making plans, and then following said plans with modifications as needed. Kudos to you!
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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 29, 2020 8:54:55 GMT -5
I'm seriously wondering what someone living in a NYC apartment is supposed to do with their dog if they need to go out at night to be considered sane? Let them pee on the floor? This is what I was thinking. If it's ok that dogs have to pee at night but only acceptable to open the back door that would mean no one without a fenced yard should own a dog and that's crazy.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 29, 2020 11:21:34 GMT -5
I'm seriously wondering what someone living in a NYC apartment is supposed to do with their dog if they need to go out at night to be considered sane? Let them pee on the floor? This is what I was thinking. If it's ok that dogs have to pee at night but only acceptable to open the back door that would mean no one without a fenced yard should own a dog and that's crazy. If you're not willing to buy a house with a fenced yard for your dog you shouldn't have one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 11:56:18 GMT -5
I'm seriously wondering what someone living in a NYC apartment is supposed to do with their dog if they need to go out at night to be considered sane? Let them pee on the floor? This is what I was thinking. If it's ok that dogs have to pee at night but only acceptable to open the back door that would mean no one without a fenced yard should own a dog and that's crazy. A lot of people use "puppy pads" which I find disgusting. Also, if you live in a NYC apartment or don't live where there are fences and get a dog, then I assume you plan to walk said dog every time it has to go.
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Post by swamp on Jan 29, 2020 12:06:54 GMT -5
This is what I was thinking. If it's ok that dogs have to pee at night but only acceptable to open the back door that would mean no one without a fenced yard should own a dog and that's crazy. If you're not willing to buy a house with a fenced yard for your dog you shouldn't have one. seriously? My fuzzy baby loves going swimming and visiting the neighbors. She comes back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 12:10:35 GMT -5
This is what I was thinking. If it's ok that dogs have to pee at night but only acceptable to open the back door that would mean no one without a fenced yard should own a dog and that's crazy. If you're not willing to buy a house with a fenced yard for your dog you shouldn't have one. Make sure you let Chiver know this as she's apartment hunting with her two big dogs. Life isn't always ideal. In fact it almost never is from what I can tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 12:11:00 GMT -5
You can get a 6 foot chain link with privacy slats. Basically green (only ones I ever see are green) slats woven thought Slats also come in brown. Shasta - I really like your plan to live in the house for a bit before deciding about the fencing. Letting your mother afoot the younger dog sounds like the best idea for all of you. I also like the way you are thoroughly thinking situations through, carefully making plans, and then following said plans with modifications as needed. Kudos to you! Thanks. I don't particularly want chain link. I assume it can technically be installed because I have seen a yard or two with it and mine already has the short version, but in a neighborhood it's typically wooden privacy fences that are installed and taller chain link is used in more industrial applications. A fence is a lot of money. It's equal to almost a year's living expenses for me, so it's a big consideration. While I bought the house assuming I would pay X for the house, Y for a fence, and Z for updating, saving money is always a primary consideration because it's just me and I do think about what would happen if I were to get sick and not be able to work, etc... The house also has all really old appliances and other issues I may prefer to spend the money on after I get moved in. I'll always have a dog because I enjoy their companionship and they make my solo hikes/adventures safer, but getting the next dog and training them without a fence is a lot different than moving my younger dog in who has spent all of her life as a free-range dog without having to be socialized into a neighborhood with other people, pets, and wildlife. Here with my mom she can live on 3 acres and go out in the fallow pasture and dig to her heart's content and run around after birds and bark and no one cares.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 12:21:01 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife - I think holding off is a good idea. A few months from now you'll have a much better idea what you really need. Maybe the tying out just isn't working or maybe you'll find your old dog is very easily contained with the shorter fence and just finishing off in inexpensive chain link would work fine. My lab could have easily cleared a 3 foot fence if she wanted to, but whenever we went to my parents she respected the boundary of their chain link fence and knew she was supposed to stay in. I wouldn't have left her out there all day with nobody home, but for potty breaks or exercise while we were there, she was fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 12:29:47 GMT -5
@shastasnewlife - I think holding off is a good idea. A few months from now you'll have a much better idea what you really need. Maybe the tying out just isn't working or maybe you'll find your old dog is very easily contained with the shorter fence and just finishing off in inexpensive chain link would work fine. My lab could have easily cleared a 3 foot fence if she wanted to, but whenever we went to my parents she respected the boundary of their chain link fence and knew she was supposed to stay in. I wouldn't have left her out there all day with nobody home, but for potty breaks or exercise while we were there, she was fine. My previous house had 4' chain link and farm fence. My dog can easily jump it and frequently did. This is how he injured his leg that he still has issues with. The problem is he will see deer or another dog and jump the fence and that reinjures the leg I'm trying to rehab when he lands on the other side. My current plan is to tie him when he goes out alone at night and not tie him when he's out with me because all I have to do is whistle and he will stop whatever he's doing and come back to me. The rest of the time he will be inside with me where he prefers to be. If it gets to be too much of a pain not being able to let him run free in the yard then I will come up with another solution.
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Post by mcsangel2 on Jan 29, 2020 12:31:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't *necessarily* assume you'll need to replace the appliances either, unless you've already been told they don't work or are on the fritz. I have seen multiple instances of older appliances (20-30 years old and older) holding out better than new ones. Especially washers, driers, and refrigerators. They are just making them more and more cheaply and they don't hold up as long.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 13:27:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't *necessarily* assume you'll need to replace the appliances either, unless you've already been told they don't work or are on the fritz. I have seen multiple instances of older appliances (20-30 years old and older) holding out better than new ones. Especially washers, driers, and refrigerators. They are just making them more and more cheaply and they don't hold up as long. I'm fine with the old washer and dryer, but not so much the ancient refrigerator and stove. Both of those will be replaced when I redo the kitchen. I'm hoping to catch an energy rebate when I do it, but regardless they need replacement.
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Post by cottontail on Jan 29, 2020 14:41:44 GMT -5
New appliances don't last very long. I would hold onto any working appliance as long as you can. I just replaced an oven/stove that was more than 30 years old. I have been told by multiple people to expect to get only 5-7 years out of the new one.
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Post by haapai on Jan 29, 2020 15:10:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't *necessarily* assume you'll need to replace the appliances either, unless you've already been told they don't work or are on the fritz. I have seen multiple instances of older appliances (20-30 years old and older) holding out better than new ones. Especially washers, driers, and refrigerators. They are just making them more and more cheaply and they don't hold up as long. I'm fine with the old washer and dryer, but not so much the ancient refrigerator and stove. Both of those will be replaced when I redo the kitchen. I'm hoping to catch an energy rebate when I do it, but regardless they need replacement. < Nudge, nudge > Psst, replace the fridge first. Old stoves just look like hell and don't cook food the way that you expect them to. Old fridges, on the other hand, cost you shocking amounts of money as long as they are plugged in.
A fridge doesn't need to be particularly old, or located in a place with particularly high electric rates to be worth replacing as soon as possible. Some of the payback periods on fridge replacement are mind-boggling. Refrigerators are insane energy hogs. I replaced my "free" fridge about seven years ago and my electric bill dropped by $20 a month immediately. The replacement paid for itself within two years. FWIW, I don't think that the fridge that I got rid of was particularly old. Nothing about it screamed "old". I didn't know that it was old until I replaced it and my electric bill dropped.
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