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Post by dezii on Nov 3, 2019 5:56:58 GMT -5
If a progressive wins the democratic nomination, I think it will help trump. If they get nominate a moderate I think it will be much harder for trump. I voted against Hillary last time. I will wait to see who is nominated this time but odds are they will be too liberal for me. I have to ask...was Obama to liberal for u..? I am sure there were some programs that u were not in agreement with but over all...wereu constantly p off daily because of his being in that oval office for eight years. Reason I ask, the man definitely leaned left...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 3, 2019 7:17:17 GMT -5
If a progressive wins the democratic nomination, I think it will help trump. If they get nominate a moderate I think it will be much harder for trump. I voted against Hillary last time. I will wait to see who is nominated this time but odds are they will be too liberal for me. I have to ask...was Obama to liberal for u..? I am sure there were some programs that u were not in agreement with but over all...wereu constantly p off daily because of his being in that oval office for eight years. Reason I ask, the man definitely leaned left... I do not believe in a large part of Obama's policies. If Obama ran against Trump I would vote for Trump. that does not mean that I think Obama is a bad guy, like some of you like to think. If it was between hanging out with Obama and Trump, I would totally hang out with Obama. But I don't vote on personality. The problem is the "new cool" is to be extremely progressive. I will have an open mind but someone like Elizabeth Warren will not get my vote. I'm letting the dems weed themselves so I can focus on the policies of the nominated candidates. My guess is there are going to be a good chunk of people voting against a candidate and not for one. Just like in 2016. the die hard liberals will vote dem no matter who the candidate is. The extreme right will vote republican. Those aren't the votes that will matter.
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Post by deadeyedick on Nov 3, 2019 7:20:10 GMT -5
Post/ABC poll on Trump’s approval among Republicans: July 87% now 74% 18% of Republicans say Congress should impeach Trump and remove him from the presidency Wait until we see the Democratic ticket. If their platform is too far left then those Republicans will vote for Trump.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Nov 3, 2019 8:45:07 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think like hubs, we just need 2 new political parties and start over again. the repubs have lost their minds and the libs aren't gutsy enough to go after them anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 10:29:47 GMT -5
depending on who you talk to, something less than $200B.
why do you want to double the defense budget. is it not enough to spend 4x as much as China, and 10x as much as Russia?
Basically what I'm saying is that I don't care what we spend on defense. Protecting our country is one of the most important job of the govt if not the most important. Who has the capability to invade the US while the US maintains even half of the current defense budget? The right answer is nobody, we can already easily check off “country protected”.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Nov 3, 2019 12:48:35 GMT -5
Except they could do the low yield nuclear bomb that would play havoc with all our electronics and not need to destroy anything else.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 3, 2019 13:30:38 GMT -5
Except they could do the low yield nuclear bomb that would play havoc with all our electronics and not need to destroy anything else. What is the annual budget amount for DOD that will prevent this?
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Post by countrygirl2 on Nov 3, 2019 13:50:32 GMT -5
I have no idea. I don't know how hardened things are against it. Likely they are in the military?? Found this I need to read it. www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/19_0307_CISA_EMP-Protection-Resilience-Guidelines.pdfThe potential for an adversary to inflict damage on states through EMS attack has grown significantly,” said the 69-page report, which warned, “An EMP attack affects all devices with solid-state electronics and could render inoperative the main grid and backup power systems, such as on-site generators.” It highlighted the lack of a reaction plan or major focus on an EMP attack, even if just from a solar flare. “In some areas, there is a complete absence of strategy,” said the report. It added, “EMP is a tragedy of the commons as ‘no one’s job jar.’” from Opinion Washingon Examiner Military warns EMP attack could wipe out America, 'democracy, world order' by Paul Bedard | November 30, 2018 09:33 AM
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 3, 2019 13:52:15 GMT -5
depending on who you talk to, something less than $200B.
why do you want to double the defense budget. is it not enough to spend 4x as much as China, and 10x as much as Russia?
Basically what I'm saying is that I don't care what we spend on defense. Protecting our country is one of the most important job of the govt if not the most important. this is the problem with both the GOP and Democrats. they don't care what we spend.
it's my money, tho. you should care. we all should.
so, start caring, I guess.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 3, 2019 13:54:55 GMT -5
Post/ABC poll on Trump’s approval among Republicans: July 87% now 74% 18% of Republicans say Congress should impeach Trump and remove him from the presidency Wait until we see the Democratic ticket. If their platform is too far left then those Republicans will vote for Trump. that had nothing to do with steff s post. just making sure you understand that.
her numbers would not change depending on the Democratic candidate.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 3, 2019 14:47:31 GMT -5
I have to ask...was Obama to liberal for u..? I am sure there were some programs that u were not in agreement with but over all...wereu constantly p off daily because of his being in that oval office for eight years. Reason I ask, the man definitely leaned left... I do not believe in a large part of Obama's policies. If Obama ran against Trump I would vote for Trump. that does not mean that I think Obama is a bad guy, like some of you like to think. If it was between hanging out with Obama and Trump, I would totally hang out with Obama. But I don't vote on personality. The problem is the "new cool" is to be extremely progressive. I will have an open mind but someone like Elizabeth Warren will not get my vote. I'm letting the dems weed themselves so I can focus on the policies of the nominated candidates. My guess is there are going to be a good chunk of people voting against a candidate and not for one. Just like in 2016. the die hard liberals will vote dem no matter who the candidate is. The extreme right will vote republican. Those aren't the votes that will matter. Even if Warren wins, and if (not likely) the Dems took the Senate and kept the house, the most progressive ideas still wouldn't get through. Too many moderates out there. Look at the things Trump wasn't able to when he had both sides of Congress. He appointed a shit ton of judges and cut taxes on his buddies. There aren't very many open judge positions left, and there probably would be some kind of tax increase, but not the extreme taxes on the rich that are being touted. Medicare for all won't fly - probably a public option would get passed, but that wouldn't effect you. Re-arranging all of capitalism won't get passed. Right now, I just want someone who won't continue to embarrass us internationally. Neither Bernie nor Trump fit that description. Everyone else can clear that low hurdle.
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Post by Bob Ross on Nov 3, 2019 15:54:30 GMT -5
It's been said that most trolls are green and live under bridges. It’s been said that irony is dead. I know, right? But in truth, it's more like rain on your wedding day...
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Post by oped on Nov 3, 2019 16:10:35 GMT -5
It’s been said that irony is dead. I know, right? But in truth, it's more like rain on your wedding day...
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Post by deadeyedick on Nov 4, 2019 0:21:20 GMT -5
Wait until we see the Democratic ticket. If their platform is too far left then those Republicans will vote for Trump. that had nothing to do with steff s post. just making sure you understand that.
her numbers would not change depending on the Democratic candidate.
That’s true. Many may not approve of him but they’d still vote for him.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 4, 2019 9:14:52 GMT -5
We all know what all the polls say or are predicting. We all know what the major national newspapers and magazines are writing. We al know outside of Fox News what the cable networks are saying since 2016....... A "new biggest loser!" Now look at the stock market indexes. No regular index is suggesting he will not be President for four more years. Stock indexes are all at new or just off all time record highs. What does this tell you? same thing that it told us about Al Gore. Ahh, but he was not running for re-election was he? Unlike Biden is trying to ride Obama's coattails today, Gore ran as far away from Clinton as he possibly could. In hindsight, that might have hurt him......
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 4, 2019 9:18:44 GMT -5
Pete does not have a chance! he does. it is not much of a chance, but it is not zero. Not as good a chance as either Sanders or Warren, but he does have a chance. America's voters are just stupid enough to elect any of them.......imho Just as they are able to actually vote and re-elect trump too! Plus, Trump's chances are a heck of a lot higher than 1% above zero!
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 4, 2019 9:22:11 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think like hubs, we just need 2 new political parties and start over again. the repubs have lost their minds and the libs aren't gutsy enough to go after them anymore. I believe we do. 1.The Socialst Democratic party. Not sure if that is their official name, but not to be confused with the current democratic party which seems to be trending to the far left of the Socialist democratic party right now. 2.The Libertarian Party
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 4, 2019 9:35:05 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think like hubs, we just need 2 new political parties and start over again. the repubs have lost their minds and the libs aren't gutsy enough to go after them anymore. I believe we do. 1.The Socialst Democratic party. Not sure if that is their official name, but not to be confused with the current democratic party which seems to be trending to the far left of the Socialist democratic party right now. 2.The Libertarian Party I'm game. I like both those options.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 4, 2019 9:47:17 GMT -5
I have to ask...was Obama to liberal for u..? I am sure there were some programs that u were not in agreement with but over all...wereu constantly p off daily because of his being in that oval office for eight years. Reason I ask, the man definitely leaned left... I do not believe in a large part of Obama's policies. If Obama ran against Trump I would vote for Trump. that does not mean that I think Obama is a bad guy, like some of you like to think. If it was between hanging out with Obama and Trump, I would totally hang out with Obama. But I don't vote on personality. The problem is the "new cool" is to be extremely progressive. I will have an open mind but someone like Elizabeth Warren will not get my vote. I'm letting the dems weed themselves so I can focus on the policies of the nominated candidates. My guess is there are going to be a good chunk of people voting against a candidate and not for one. Just like in 2016. the die hard liberals will vote dem no matter who the candidate is. The extreme right will vote republican. Those aren't the votes that will matter. I saw some poll numbers this weekend ( on the TV, so I can't link to them) that showed that Trump has almost exactly the same percentage of supporters in the blue collar white male category as he had in 2016. That chunk is firmly pro-Trump, regardless. And you're right, there is another chunk of voters who would vote for any Dem candidate, regardless, so that chunk is firm too.
The 2020 election will come down to independent voters, I think. Plus, a lot will depend on how well motivated different voting blocks are to get out to the polls. There has been some waffling in the evangelistic voters because they don't like what Trump did in Syria, and you know those voters won't vote for a Dem, but they may not be motivated to vote for Trump. Similarly, I think there are a lot of independents who are looking for a moderate, steady, unflashy, no tweeting candidate, and they might come out to vote for Biden, but while they probably won't vote for Trump if Warren gets the nomination instead, will they bother to come out to vote for Warren if they think she's too left leaning? I think, depending on the Dem candidate, turnout might be good or bad for minority voters and the millennial vote, too.
Too many moving parts. We'll know better when the Dems pick their candidate, I guess.
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Post by bean29 on Nov 4, 2019 9:57:28 GMT -5
I also like Pete, but I am concerned that a lot of people may not vote for him.
On the other hand, I am not certain that it is a deal killer for all Republican or Christian Voters. My Very religious Mother has a niece (probably 2 and a DN possibly and a Grand Nephew) and at least 2 very good friends that have children that are Gay. The families are keeping their "Out" members and their partners in the fold, so banishment and exclusion are not going to play well with all Republicans.
So Christians tell their children that Homosexuality is wrong. They also tell them not to lie, cheat and commit adultery.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 4, 2019 11:04:24 GMT -5
I have to ask...was Obama to liberal for u..? I am sure there were some programs that u were not in agreement with but over all...wereu constantly p off daily because of his being in that oval office for eight years. Reason I ask, the man definitely leaned left... I do not believe in a large part of Obama's policies. If Obama ran against Trump I would vote for Trump. that does not mean that I think Obama is a bad guy, like some of you like to think. If it was between hanging out with Obama and Trump, I would totally hang out with Obama. But I don't vote on personality. The problem is the "new cool" is to be extremely progressive. I will have an open mind but someone like Elizabeth Warren will not get my vote. I'm letting the dems weed themselves so I can focus on the policies of the nominated candidates. My guess is there are going to be a good chunk of people voting against a candidate and not for one. Just like in 2016. the die hard liberals will vote dem no matter who the candidate is. The extreme right will vote republican. Those aren't the votes that will matter. Oh FFS! You aren’t going to vote for a Dem if they walked on water. You are going to vote for the serial liar who bragged about sexually assaulting women and mocked a disabled man. Who is clearly the most corrupt incompetent person who ever held the office. So please stop with the coyness. Anyone can see through it
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Post by kadee79 on Nov 4, 2019 11:22:11 GMT -5
Sexual preference has nothing to do with how any person does any job....unless they are making porn movies.
What people do in their own bedrooms is their business & not anyone else's.
More reasons that the churches are losing people. The Bible may say it's a sin, but it also says NOT to judge!
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 4, 2019 11:33:23 GMT -5
Post/ABC poll on Trump’s approval among Republicans: July 87% now 74% 18% of Republicans say Congress should impeach Trump and remove him from the presidency Wait until we see the Democratic ticket. If their platform is too far left then those Republicans will vote for Trump. “Too far left” What does that even mean? The Rep party has gone so far to the extreme right that a middle of the road candidate gets labeled as a “socialist”
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Post by countrygirl2 on Nov 4, 2019 11:44:09 GMT -5
With the voter suppression and voter roleshaving hundreds of thousands of people culled. It's very likely he could "win" again. And I'm sure Russia knows which states to tweek to help him win. So I don't have a lot of hope. Only if so many dems vote they just overwhelm them is what it will take, to offset all the above. It could be done but will it?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2019 11:48:07 GMT -5
same thing that it told us about Al Gore. Ahh, but he was not running for re-election was he? Unlike Biden is trying to ride Obama's coattails today, Gore ran as far away from Clinton as he possibly could. In hindsight, that might have hurt him...... the time for Uncle Biden to do it was probably 2016. just like Uncle Bush did in 1988.
and yes, in hindsight it definitely hurt Gore.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2019 11:49:43 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think like hubs, we just need 2 new political parties and start over again. the repubs have lost their minds and the libs aren't gutsy enough to go after them anymore. I believe we do. 1.The Socialst Democratic party. Not sure if that is their official name, but not to be confused with the current democratic party which seems to be trending to the far left of the Socialist democratic party right now. 2.The Libertarian Party the Democrats are indeed getting closer to the Social Democrats of Europe.
it is quite a successful political strategy in most of those countries.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 4, 2019 11:53:23 GMT -5
I believe we do. 1.The Socialst Democratic party. Not sure if that is their official name, but not to be confused with the current democratic party which seems to be trending to the far left of the Socialist democratic party right now. 2.The Libertarian Party the Democrats are indeed getting closer to the Social Democrats of Europe.
it is quite a successful political strategy in most of those countries.
And I believe it will work down the road here after about two more Presidential contests, after the babyboomers are dead in the grave, replaced by younger voters who honestly believe it will work here. And maybe it can if we disarm our country and defund the Pentagon..........
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2019 12:01:49 GMT -5
he does. it is not much of a chance, but it is not zero. Not as good a chance as either Sanders or Warren, but he does have a chance. actually, I disagree with that. I think his chances are about the same as Sanders. but I have never really thought much of his chances. I can elaborate if anyone is interested, but I doubt anyone is, and that is precisely his problem.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2019 12:05:00 GMT -5
the Democrats are indeed getting closer to the Social Democrats of Europe.
it is quite a successful political strategy in most of those countries.
And I believe it will work down the road here after about two more Presidential contests, after the babyboomers are dead in the grave, replaced by younger voters who honestly believe it will work here. And maybe it can if we disarm our country and defund the Pentagon.......... the word "socialism" is not really a cuss word for anyone born after about 1973. that is a solid majority here, now, so I think the US is ready to elect a Social Democrat.
edit: if the latter happened, I would do the happy dance. never saw much need for standing armies. but I guarantee that my view will NEVER become a majority view here. I argue with literally everyone I know about this topic, VB.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 4, 2019 12:05:11 GMT -5
Not as good a chance as either Sanders or Warren, but he does have a chance. actually, I disagree with that. I think his chances are about the same as Sanders. but I have never really thought much of his chances. I can elaborate if anyone is interested, but I doubt anyone is, and that is precisely his problem. I would be interested in it. He has risen in all the polls just like Obama did when he was considered the longest of longshots against Hilary about this time in th cycle back then. Three months ago I wondered why he was bothering to do it. Today, not so much........although I consider his chances very slim.
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