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Post by billisonboard on Nov 13, 2019 21:23:34 GMT -5
just about everything.
in a flash poll, you have no control over respondents. this leads to all kinds of problems. the first problem is that the same person can respond 10 or 100x, which obviously distorts results. before you say something like "that never happens", it absolutely does. there are bot farms that attack polls to distort them, oc. it is common practice.
the second thing that happens is that it favors people who are on line. this skews the demographic to non-working people or people whose job it is to be online.
finally, there is no adjustment for demographics.
flash polls are meaningless, oc. utterly meaningless. they pretty much NEVER reflect reality. ever.
as to your follow up suggestion, I would urge you to consider how and why pollsters exist. it is not to sway public opinion. it is to survey it. and the ones that do it best make the most money. that is how it works. Trafalgar is making BANK right now because they CORRECTLY called several states that Trump was not expected to win. that is how it is supposed to work. the best pollsters make the most bank, and the worst go extinct.
or become subsidiaries of FOX News....
you have no control over respondents.
You mean like you poll only known Democrats with Do you think Trump should be removed from office? No.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:25:54 GMT -5
you have no control over respondents.
You mean like you poll only known Democrats with Do you think Trump should be removed from office? No. No what? bills
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 13, 2019 21:27:14 GMT -5
I think what bills meant is that if you are controlling who votes in the poll, then you can predict the results for the general public, and he is correct.
I conceded that point, and deleted my reply.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 13, 2019 21:27:18 GMT -5
No to the question you asked.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:43:08 GMT -5
No to the question you asked. Sorry Bills, I was pointing out how I think many polls are conducted,,
with a captive audience and a loaded question. My poll says, ,,,,, cause I called all of my like minded friends and asked a loaded question.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 13, 2019 21:43:48 GMT -5
I think what bills meant is that if you are controlling who votes in the poll, then you can predict the results for the general public, and he is correct.
I conceded that point, and deleted my reply.
Oh.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 13, 2019 22:13:46 GMT -5
No to the question you asked. Sorry Bills, I was pointing out how I think many polls are conducted,,
with a captive audience and a loaded question. My poll says, ,,,,, cause I called all of my like minded friends and asked a loaded question.
Okay. People think a lot of things that aren't true.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 14, 2019 10:35:17 GMT -5
Microsoft News Poll. If the presidential election were held today, who would you vote for? 39% President Donald Trump. 46% The democratic Party Candidate. 4% A third party Candidate. 8% I'm Not Sure. 3% I Would not vote based on 85385 responses.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 14, 2019 11:32:08 GMT -5
more bullshit online polls?
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 14, 2019 11:42:14 GMT -5
DJ, these polls ask a question, It is an anonymous response, probably a more honest response than, picking out a selected group, asking a loaded question. 85,385 people responded to this question, that's a fairly large group. Because it is put on by Microsoft, I would say a majority of respondents would be Left leaning!
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 14, 2019 12:07:46 GMT -5
DJ, these polls ask a question, It is an anonymous response, probably a more honest response than, picking out a selected group, asking a loaded question.
first of all, this is a red herring argument.
a good poll doesn't ask a loaded question.
but again, you are missing the point. because the respondents are not adjusted for the general population, online polls are utterly meaningless.
I am so frustrated with this conversation I am considering quitting the board, oc. it is that irritating to me.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 14, 2019 23:51:28 GMT -5
DJ, these polls ask a question, It is an anonymous response, probably a more honest response than, picking out a selected group, asking a loaded question.
first of all, this is a red herring argument.
a good poll doesn't ask a loaded question.
but again, you are missing the point. because the respondents are not adjusted for the general population, online polls are utterly meaningless.
I am so frustrated with this conversation I am considering quitting the board, oc. it is that irritating to me.
Then just ignore me. I most certainly do not want you to leave.
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Post by dezii on Nov 15, 2019 0:05:39 GMT -5
Yes. The question was: "How likely is it that the public hearings will change your views on whether President Trump should or should not be impeached?" I do not think he should be impeached. But if the hearings reveal significant reason, I will change my mind. Potentially there is someone who currently thinks he should be impeached. The evidence presented at the hearings could change their mind to where he shouldn't. Exactly! I know the Donald called him a "sleeze" Sunday...but seriously, who really listens to the man any more or pays attention to his tweets..The man has shot his wad and carries a empty weapon. It seems the sleeze he refers to feels there is more against the Donald then they had against Nixon and if anyone should know this, John Dean would...even at age 80. ============================= www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/11/14/bernstein-dean-santorum-impeachment-hearings-panel-ac360-vpx.cnn
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 11:36:20 GMT -5
OK. I still don't know of any Trump supporters who thinks he won the popular vote. That is true for you. But your circle of acquaintances does not make up the whole United States. You know that. Yep, that's why I said it that way.
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