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Post by swamp on Mar 12, 2019 13:11:55 GMT -5
I'm shocked!!!
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Post by mollyanna58 on Mar 12, 2019 13:12:01 GMT -5
Rich people's kids get into good schools. I always assumed it's because money changed hands somewhere, but I guess I figured it went directly to the colleges' admissions office.
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Post by pooks on Mar 12, 2019 13:14:46 GMT -5
Interesting. I will be following. Must be nice to be rich.
ETA. When I first saw this, I thought it would be about generous donations getting students in, which I figured happened regularly.
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Post by chapeau on Mar 12, 2019 13:17:32 GMT -5
Rich people's kids get into good schools. I always assumed it's because money changed hands somewhere, but I guess I figured it went directly to the colleges' admissions office. I’m guessing that in some/most cases it does. Or it’s quid pro quo: I donate a big building, my kid gets in. That is neither new nor news. In other news, I didn’t realize “Aunt Becky” (Lori Laughlin) had kids old enough for college...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 13:17:47 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by rich people buying off admissions. I was a little thrown by coaches taking part in it though. I don't understand being able to fake your way through something like a basketball scholarship at Georgetown when you can't dribble a ball.
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Post by swamp on Mar 12, 2019 13:24:47 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by rich people buying off admissions. I was a little thrown by coaches taking part in it though. I don't understand being able to fake your way through something like a basketball scholarship at Georgetown when you can't dribble a ball. I went to college with some people whose relatives had buildings named after them, and they really weren't college material. I'm not surprised that rich people make extra payments to get their kids into elite colleges. I'm surprised they just didn't go the donation route and did this whole convoluted scheme.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2019 13:27:14 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by rich people buying off admissions. I was a little thrown by coaches taking part in it though. I don't understand being able to fake your way through something like a basketball scholarship at Georgetown when you can't dribble a ball. WAsn't about getting a scholarship but just being admitted: The court documents detail numerous examples of how the scheme worked. For example, Lelling said former Yale women's soccer coach Rudy Meredith took $400,000 to designate a potential student as a recruit for the team — boosting the student's admission prospects — despite knowing that the student didn't play the sport competitively. link
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 12, 2019 13:30:22 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by rich people buying off admissions. I was a little thrown by coaches taking part in it though. I don't understand being able to fake your way through something like a basketball scholarship at Georgetown when you can't dribble a ball. Well, yeah. Look at Jared Kushner. “There was no way anybody in the administrative office of the school thought he would on the merits get into Harvard,” a former official at The Frisch School in Paramus, New Jersey, told me. “His GPA did not warrant it, his SAT scores did not warrant it. We thought for sure, there was no way this was going to happen. Then, lo and behold, Jared was accepted. It was a little bit disappointing because there were at the time other kids we thought should really get in on the merits, and they did not.” www.propublica.org/article/the-story-behind-jared-kushners-curious-acceptance-into-harvard
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Post by swamp on Mar 12, 2019 13:30:25 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by rich people buying off admissions. I was a little thrown by coaches taking part in it though. I don't understand being able to fake your way through something like a basketball scholarship at Georgetown when you can't dribble a ball. WAsn't about getting a scholarship but just being admitted: The court documents detail numerous examples of how the scheme worked. For example, Lelling said former Yale women's soccer coach Rudy Meredith took $400,000 to designate a potential student as a recruit for the team — boosting the student's admission prospects — despite knowing that the student didn't play the sport competitively. link I'm surprised that got through the NCAA. I thought they kept tight grips on recruits?
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Post by Tiny on Mar 12, 2019 13:36:49 GMT -5
IDK, I assumed kids with very wealthy or very connected/very important parents got into whatever school the parents wanted the kid to get into (via connections or payments).
I guess there are "legal" ways to do it and "illegal" ways to do it. Who knew.
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Post by pooks on Mar 12, 2019 13:38:03 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by rich people buying off admissions. I was a little thrown by coaches taking part in it though. Makes me dislike sports recruiting for college even more. Sounds like the coaches had "slots" that they could fill and a small percentage of coaches decided to monetize those slots. Horrible, but not a huge surprise.
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Post by TheHaitian on Mar 12, 2019 13:52:38 GMT -5
Really? You want your kid to go to Yale that bad?
$400,000 $1.2 Millions =
$1.6 Millions just to get your kid into Yale? Why not donate it to the school directly?
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Post by TheHaitian on Mar 12, 2019 13:56:37 GMT -5
If you have that much money (and guessing connections); why does it matter where you kids go to school?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 13:58:35 GMT -5
If you have that much money (and guessing connections); why does it matter where you kids go to school? I think it's just a pride thing for some. I went to Yale, my father went to Yale, come hell or high water my son is going to Yale!
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Post by sheilaincali on Mar 12, 2019 14:02:35 GMT -5
Wow and I used to give my dad crap for getting my brother into school. Older brother got wait listed at the family school (everyone went/goes there except me and my son - I got in early admission I just hated going anywhere that people knew my family). Dad was friends with the Dean of Admissions and grandpa donated heavily to the school. All Dad did was ask his buddy to focus on my brother's test scores and ignore the fact that he had pretty bad grades. Granted my brother is really smart just super lazy at school work. Which is funny because he has a PhD and is a professor of Biology now.
Makes you wonder how those kids did in their classes at college if they couldn't get in on their own merits. But I'm assuming they were there more to say "I went to Yale" than to actually get an education.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 12, 2019 14:34:42 GMT -5
Most of the so called athletes were non-revenue producing sports and the "schoarships" were not actually athletic scholarships. It was just to get the kid in school who didn't have a high enough grade on the tests. Paying a stranger to take your kids' ACT exam who lives far away is so wrong to other kids. These schools already have legacy admissions, which probably means some deserving kids don't get admitted. There is an interview on Yahoo sports with one of the kids. All she wanted to do at school was party and go to games.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2019 14:42:50 GMT -5
WAsn't about getting a scholarship but just being admitted: The court documents detail numerous examples of how the scheme worked. For example, Lelling said former Yale women's soccer coach Rudy Meredith took $400,000 to designate a potential student as a recruit for the team — boosting the student's admission prospects — despite knowing that the student didn't play the sport competitively. link I'm surprised that got through the NCAA. I thought they kept tight grips on recruits? Does the NCAA say to Coach K at Duke, "Hey Coach, we hear from your admissions office that you are recruiting Joey "1/2 inch vertical" Johnson to join your basketball team. He doesn't seem to have the skill level of your typical recruit. Want to explain your interest in him?" I don't think they monitor things at that level. Now if you fast forward a bit it makes sense, "Hey coach, you have signed and used one of your limited scholarships to have Joey sit at the end of your bench. Care to explain that one?" Easy enough to "recruit" the kid to be a walk-on, get the admissions office to admit him/her as a student so they can play for the school, and then cut them from the team after the first hour of practice. They would still be an admitted student.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 12, 2019 14:48:46 GMT -5
I worked with a couple of graduate students from Harvard and we had an interesting conversation about this. They said it's an open secret that a large portion of the undergraduate student population is there because daddy bought the campus a new building.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2019 14:58:29 GMT -5
I worked with a couple of graduate students from Harvard and we had an interesting conversation about this. They said it's an open secret that a large portion of the undergraduate student population is there because daddy bought the campus a new building. There are, in any given year, +/- 6,700 undergraduate students link. What, about 1675 new ones admitted each year? "large portion" - 5%? That would be about 84 new buildings a year, every year.
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Post by swamp on Mar 12, 2019 15:06:49 GMT -5
I'm surprised that got through the NCAA. I thought they kept tight grips on recruits? Does the NCAA say to Coach K at Duke, "Hey Coach, we hear from your admissions office that you are recruiting Joey "1/2 inch vertical" Johnson to join your basketball team. He doesn't seem to have the skill level of your typical recruit. Want to explain your interest in him?" I don't think they monitor things at that level. Now if you fast forward a bit it makes sense, "Hey coach, you have signed and used one of your limited scholarships to have Joey sit at the end of your bench. Care to explain that one?" Easy enough to "recruit" the kid to be a walk-on, get the admissions office to admit him/her as a student so they can play for the school, and then cut them from the team after the first hour of practice. They would still be an admitted student. I don't know, it just seems weird and too easy to determine the person isn't really an athlete. I played softball in HS. I had no business playing DI softball. You can figure that out with a quick google search.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2019 15:19:24 GMT -5
Does the NCAA say to Coach K at Duke, "Hey Coach, we hear from your admissions office that you are recruiting Joey "1/2 inch vertical" Johnson to join your basketball team. He doesn't seem to have the skill level of your typical recruit. Want to explain your interest in him?" I don't think they monitor things at that level. Now if you fast forward a bit it makes sense, "Hey coach, you have signed and used one of your limited scholarships to have Joey sit at the end of your bench. Care to explain that one?" Easy enough to "recruit" the kid to be a walk-on, get the admissions office to admit him/her as a student so they can play for the school, and then cut them from the team after the first hour of practice. They would still be an admitted student. I don't know, it just seems weird and too easy to determine the person isn't really an athlete. I played softball in HS. I had no business playing DI softball. You can figure that out with a quick google search. Perhaps you had great potential that only one coach could see and/or willing to take a chance? Perhaps you had great leadership skills that would be very valuable in the clubhouse even though your on field skills weren't that outstanding? Besides, what is the skill level required to play softball at Harvard? I don't think that the NCAA micro-manages who coaches tell their admissions office that they are talking to about potentially joining their teams. I guess the admissions offices could Google such people and question the coach's judgement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 15:22:41 GMT -5
I don't know, it just seems weird and too easy to determine the person isn't really an athlete. I played softball in HS. I had no business playing DI softball. You can figure that out with a quick google search. Perhaps you had great potential that only one coach could see and/or willing to take a chance? Perhaps you had great leadership skills that would be very valuable in the clubhouse even though your on field skills weren't that outstanding? Besides, what is the skill level required to play softball at Harvard? I don't think that the NCAA micro-manages who coaches tell their admissions office that they are talking to about potentially joining their teams. I guess the admissions offices could Google such people and question the coach's judgement.I'll bet that's going to start happening now!
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 12, 2019 15:23:23 GMT -5
I worked with a couple of graduate students from Harvard and we had an interesting conversation about this. They said it's an open secret that a large portion of the undergraduate student population is there because daddy bought the campus a new building. At least the money is going to the school, which they can reinvest for the benefits of all students. This was select people lining their own pockets. I bet the lesser known rich guys are glad there are Hollywood people on that list. We will all focus on Felicity Huffman instead of the guy we've never heard of.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2019 15:33:34 GMT -5
Perhaps you had great potential that only one coach could see and/or willing to take a chance? Perhaps you had great leadership skills that would be very valuable in the clubhouse even though your on field skills weren't that outstanding? Besides, what is the skill level required to play softball at Harvard? I don't think that the NCAA micro-manages who coaches tell their admissions office that they are talking to about potentially joining their teams. I guess the admissions offices could Google such people and question the coach's judgement.I'll bet that's going to start happening now! It would certainly be interesting to be the person tasked with questioning the assessment ability and integrity of a college coach.
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Post by TheHaitian on Mar 12, 2019 16:12:29 GMT -5
My wife just sent me this that her school emailed out today...
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Post by oped on Mar 12, 2019 16:15:30 GMT -5
One of daughter's associates at school got into Yale early decision... I'll have to ask his dad if this is how, lol. Really though, if the kid doesn't burn out upon entry because he's going to small fish big sea, he'll probably be president some day. Or at least a congressperson.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 16:23:00 GMT -5
Uh oh, prosecutors better not see this one or Macy could be in trouble.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 12, 2019 16:38:43 GMT -5
USC fired senior associate athletic director Donna Heinel and legendary water polo coach Jovan Vavic after they were indicted in federal court earlier Tuesday as part of a nationwide college admissions bribery case. Vavic has won 14 national titles.
USC's former head women's soccer coach and a former assistant women's coach were named in the indictment.
UCLA men's soccer coach Jorge Salcedo has been placed on leave. Don't know why UCLA doesn't fire him.
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