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Post by billisonboard on Mar 15, 2019 14:47:31 GMT -5
Who Knows? The Farmer's Son: Fortune or Misfortune?
One day in late summer, an old farmer was working in his field with his old sick horse. The farmer felt compassion for the horse and desired to lift its burden. So he left his horse loose to go the mountains and live out the rest of its life.
Soon after, neighbors from the nearby village visited, offering their condolences and said, "What a shame. Now your only horse is gone. How unfortunate you are!. You must be very sad. How will you live, work the land, and prosper?" The farmer replied: "Who knows? We shall see".
Two days later the old horse came back now rejuvenated after meandering in the mountainsides while eating the wild grasses. He came back with twelve new younger and healthy horses which followed the old horse into the corral.
Word got out in the village of the old farmer's good fortune and it wasn't long before people stopped by to congratulate the farmer on his good luck. "How fortunate you are!" they exclaimed. You must be very happy!" Again, the farmer softly said, "Who knows? We shall see."
At daybreak on the next morning, the farmer's only son set off to attempt to train the new wild horses, but the farmer's son was thrown to the ground and broke his leg. ... The rest of the story here
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 15, 2019 15:56:16 GMT -5
You didn't get into choice A college two years ago. You therefore are forced to enroll at your choice B college. You meet the love of your life at choice B school your freshman year. (Or select your own positive result from being at choice B school.) How much money should you get for not making it into your choice A college? Or should you have to pay? or you get sexually assaulted. or you die in a frat hazing ritual. or you have a mean roommate and develop an eating disorder. or you are abducted by aliens.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 15, 2019 17:23:49 GMT -5
You didn't get into choice A college two years ago. You therefore are forced to enroll at your choice B college. You meet the love of your life at choice B school your freshman year. (Or select your own positive result from being at choice B school.) How much money should you get for not making it into your choice A college? Or should you have to pay? or you get sexually assaulted. or you die in a frat hazing ritual. or you have a mean roommate and develop an eating disorder. or you are abducted by aliens. Who knows?
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Post by oped on Mar 15, 2019 17:32:42 GMT -5
You didn't get into choice A college two years ago. You therefore are forced to enroll at your choice B college. You meet the love of your life at choice B school your freshman year. (Or select your own positive result from being at choice B school.) How much money should you get for not making it into your choice A college? Or should you have to pay? or you get sexually assaulted. or you die in a frat hazing ritual. or you have a mean roommate and develop an eating disorder. or you are abducted by aliens. Or that would have happened at school A and now you avoided it..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 5:46:03 GMT -5
Someone posted a history project for sale on Facebook. For $100, you got a beautifully done trifold project with color pictures. It was on the Revolutionary War, Lexington to be exact. I called the seller out on promoting cheating and was informed by other posters of the following: - Everyone cheats.
- Let kids cheat if they want to. Most of them couldn't do a project of this caliber.
- I am what is wrong with education.
- I was the worst kind of bully ever.
The list goes on. One poster, who is a hairstylist, compared it to people cutting their own hair. She doesn't get mad if people do that. No, I didn't understand the analogy either.
My point is that I think most people aren't really horrified by this admission scandal. They would do exactly the same thing if they had the $$$.
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Post by chapeau on Mar 18, 2019 6:31:12 GMT -5
Someone posted a history project for sale on Facebook. For $100, you got a beautifully done trifold project with color pictures. It was on the Revolutionary War, Lexington to be exact. I called the seller out on promoting cheating and was informed by other posters of the following: - Everyone cheats.
- Let kids cheat if they want to. Most of them couldn't do a project of this caliber.
- I am what is wrong with education.
- I was the worst kind of bully ever.
The list goes on. One poster, who is a hairstylist, compared it to people cutting their own hair. She doesn't get mad if people do that. No, I didn't understand the analogy either.
My point is that I think most people aren't really horrified by this admission scandal. They would do exactly the same thing if they had the $$$. A long time ago, people used to be ashamed to cheat, not proud of it. I kind of miss shame.
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Post by nittanycheme on Mar 18, 2019 10:29:15 GMT -5
We were discussing this whole thing at work, and I work with a few young people who graduated in the last couple of years. I think what bothered all of us the most was the blatant cheating - faking being an athlete, the SAT thing, etc. We discussed the donation thing - giving endowments, buildings, etc. That seemed somewhat more "fair" because it can be used to benefit the whole school community as a whole and on an on-going basis rather than this type of cheating, which really just benefits the dishonest coaches, protoctors, etc. that were involved and the individual student. Although I feel bad for the students who may have gotten in and actually cared about it who didn't know what their parents were doing. That must be a bit crushing to your self worth. The ones who don't care I don't feel bad for.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 18, 2019 12:39:33 GMT -5
We were discussing this whole thing at work, and I work with a few young people who graduated in the last couple of years. I think what bothered all of us the most was the blatant cheating - faking being an athlete, the SAT thing, etc. We discussed the donation thing - giving endowments, buildings, etc. That seemed somewhat more "fair" because it can be used to benefit the whole school community as a whole and on an on-going basis rather than this type of cheating, which really just benefits the dishonest coaches, protoctors, etc. that were involved and the individual student. Although I feel bad for the students who may have gotten in and actually cared about it who didn't know what their parents were doing. That must be a bit crushing to your self worth. The ones who don't care I don't feel bad for. I can't really get upset about the cheating scandal, but not because I consider it to be right or even just acceptable. I believe that this has been going on for as long as enrollment has become at a premium (far more kids applying than the number admitted). That said I am one of those that grought up the donation/legacy thing and I don't consider this more "fair" than bribing just a single person.
So the reasoning behind it is that it benefits the whole school community? Well that might be true but only for those that actually get admitted, all others are still SOL! This is about admittance to academic institutions and we shouldn't be selling premium "seats" to those with more money. Especially since those endowments (which are buying admittance for kiddos) are tax deductible and thereby they make society as a whole carry part of the cost of the "gift"
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Post by souldoubt on Mar 18, 2019 13:18:46 GMT -5
Someone posted a history project for sale on Facebook. For $100, you got a beautifully done trifold project with color pictures. It was on the Revolutionary War, Lexington to be exact. I called the seller out on promoting cheating and was informed by other posters of the following: - Everyone cheats.
- Let kids cheat if they want to. Most of them couldn't do a project of this caliber.
- I am what is wrong with education.
- I was the worst kind of bully ever.
The list goes on. One poster, who is a hairstylist, compared it to people cutting their own hair. She doesn't get mad if people do that. No, I didn't understand the analogy either.
My point is that I think most people aren't really horrified by this admission scandal. They would do exactly the same thing if they had the $$$. A long time ago, people used to be ashamed to cheat, not proud of it. I kind of miss shame. The mentality of what seems like too many people has changed in ways that definitely isn't for the better. After the housing collapse I was always amazed that I rarely ever came across anyone who admitted to buying more house than they could afford as people acted like victims. I know someone who took out a second mortgage on their place, blew through the cash then sued the lender who gave her the loan because they probably shouldn't have in the first place. She ended up living in that place for years not paying her mortgage and she also got tens of thousands of dollars she never had to pay back partially because it was one of many lenders who no longer existed. She felt zero guilt about it and still has the victim mentality over the whole situation. Obviously we don't hear much about people who screw up and own it because that doesn't get clicks, thumbs up, likes or whatever. I feel like I come across too many stories where people have made poor choices and find themselves in a bad situation yet it isn't their fault and they're a victim.
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Post by oped on Mar 18, 2019 14:48:05 GMT -5
Cheating and the theft of intellectual property and creativity is just so easy with the internet. My son was doing research on digital art plagiarism and i realized that i am doing things too that i probably shouldn't do with some clip art. It is just so hard to know where those lines are drawn, and one person interprets things one way and another another and even if you do what you think is right someone next to you isn't, and probably won't get caught doing it, it is just so hard to police anything... not to mention we are a remix culture. And we video tape everything without thought to copyright, etc... And all of this contributes to a larger disconnect...
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 18, 2019 21:35:11 GMT -5
We were discussing this whole thing at work, and I work with a few young people who graduated in the last couple of years. I think what bothered all of us the most was the blatant cheating - faking being an athlete, the SAT thing, etc. We discussed the donation thing - giving endowments, buildings, etc. That seemed somewhat more "fair" because it can be used to benefit the whole school community as a whole and on an on-going basis rather than this type of cheating, which really just benefits the dishonest coaches, protoctors, etc. that were involved and the individual student. Although I feel bad for the students who may have gotten in and actually cared about it who didn't know what their parents were doing. That must be a bit crushing to your self worth. The ones who don't care I don't feel bad for. I can't really get upset about the cheating scandal, but not because I consider it to be right or even just acceptable. I believe that this has been going on for as long as enrollment has become at a premium (far more kids applying than the number admitted). That said I am one of those that grought up the donation/legacy thing and I don't consider this more "fair" than bribing just a single person.
So the reasoning behind it is that it benefits the whole school community? Well that might be true but only for those that actually get admitted, all others are still SOL! This is about admittance to academic institutions and we shouldn't be selling premium "seats" to those with more money. Especially since those endowments (which are buying admittance for kiddos) are tax deductible and thereby they make society as a whole carry part of the cost of the "gift"
The other people that are hurt by this are the people that get in on merit. These schools have such amazing reputations because of the accomplished people that go there. In return, the individuals gain recognition due to the wonderful reputation the school has. Having that school on their resume opens many doors for them. The kids whose parents have donated buildings have always been looked at as posers. This scheme, and all others like it, benefit from these kids work and hurt their credibility. I'm not explaining this well, but I think folks get what I mean.
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