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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 10:44:37 GMT -5
Seven Days in May. Rachel Maddow showed clips from it last night. Even she seemed unnerved by the notion of an adminstrative coup Damn, I do not ever watch her, and yet we were thinking the same thing? You might want to give her a try. She always has an interesting lead in; she tries to have people with different points of view; she does not interrupt her guests; if she gets a fact wrong, she apologizes and gives a correction.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 10:46:32 GMT -5
Speaking of the Code of Honor. If you believe Woodward (and I do) then Mattis violated it when he refused a direct order to kill Assayd. Well, he didn’t refuse... He just didn’t do it. not really. military folks owe their allegiance: 1) to the constitution 2) to the USCC 3) to the president when both the constitution and the USCC are against the president, obeying the president is more of an issue for them than refusing orders. assassinations have been against the law since, i believe, 1973.
Well, imo, that puts both Mattis and Kelly in the lead - and they are allies.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 6, 2018 10:46:57 GMT -5
Damn, I do not ever watch her, and yet we were thinking the same thing? You might want to give her a try. She always has an interesting lead in; she tries to have people with different points of view; she does not interrupt her guests; if she gets a fact wrong, she apologizes and gives a correction. Sorry, I wrote her off in early 2016, and will never go back to her Joe Scarborough, or anyone on MSNBC
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2018 10:47:35 GMT -5
Speaking of the Code of Honor. If you believe Woodward (and I do) then Mattis violated it when he refused a direct order to kill Assayd. Well, he didn’t refuse... He just didn’t do it. Members of the military are required to not follow unlawful orders. Sec. 2.11 Prohibition on Assassination. No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in or conspire to engage in assassination. link
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2018 10:48:58 GMT -5
Satire from The Borowitz Report Nation Stunned That There Is Someone in White House Capable of Writing an Editorial
By Andy Borowitz WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Millions of Americans were startled by the revelation on Wednesday afternoon that there was someone working in the Trump White House capable of writing an entire editorial, reports indicate. In a nation already rocked by a series of bombshells since Labor Day, the news that an anonymous senior White House official had the command of the English language necessary to compose a seemingly coherent Op-Ed piece suitable for publication in a major newspaper was perhaps the most improbable development of all. Davis Logsdon, a professor of linguistics at the University of Minnesota, said that a team of language experts under his supervision has studied the Op-Ed word by word and is “in a state of disbelief” that someone currently working for Donald J. Trump could have written it. Complete story here: Nation Stunned That There Is Someone in White House Capable of Writing an Editorial
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 10:50:53 GMT -5
You might want to give her a try. She always has an interesting lead in; she tries to have people with different points of view; she does not interrupt her guests; if she gets a fact wrong, she apologizes and gives a correction. Sorry, I wrote her off in early 2016, and will never go back to her Joe Scarborough, or anyone on MSNBC Your loss <shrug>. She had a great show last night. I can't stand Scarborough either though.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 6, 2018 10:51:14 GMT -5
subtle? that thing is a sledge hammer.
prosaic? yeah, it is far too prosaic for Trump. he would never write that. but i think K's point is the strongest: the NYT would never go along with it if it were a ruse. ever.
I am sure he never writes anything other than his tweets, and not sure about all of them I do not put it past him to be the manipulator behind the curtain pulling the strings on this editorial..... i think you are giving him way too much credit. i don't see much mastery in what he does, if any. but we'll see, right? here is what i expect from us in this situation: 1) if i am right, you will admit that he is adrift, rudderless, and out of control (as recent events and testimonials ALL indicate). that any "good" he does is done in a haphazard way, without any coherent plan, alliances, or forethought. and that all of the bad we see is also done in a haphazard way. 2) if you are right, i will admit that he is a master manipulator, and that all of this is a carefully designed ruse to get his agenda moved forward. how can we tell who's right? well, one strong indication would be if he not only survives this term but wins a second one. if that happens, you win. if he either doesn't make it through a first one, or fails to win a second one, i would say that i am right. there is a third possibility, and that is that you are just playing games with me. if that is the case, i would appreciate you coming clean now, so i can stop taking you seriously.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 10:52:30 GMT -5
there is a third possibility, and that is that you are just playing games with me. if that is the case, i would appreciate you coming clean now, so i can stop taking you seriously.
My money is on the third possibility.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 6, 2018 10:58:25 GMT -5
I don't often watch the Rachel Maddow show because she takes so long introducing a story I heard earlier in the day. You have a good point that she doesn't interrupt like so many others and has a few things that weren't covered earlier in the day. Chris Mathews is the worst at interrupting yet I watch him. When he does let them speak I like who he has on.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 6, 2018 11:00:47 GMT -5
there is a third possibility, and that is that you are just playing games with me. if that is the case, i would appreciate you coming clean now, so i can stop taking you seriously.My money is on the third possibility. Let me be perfectly clear here. I trust and like dj. I would never play him. We have our differences, such as his political affilliation he claims he has, which I will not mention.......other than that he is good. Am I the only person here that has noticed Woodward's book discussion has been basically been ignored on this board because of the NY Times editorial yesterday afternoon? Omaroosa's book played for a week here on the boards before dying The attention span of media outlets and our members seem to run on a smaller clock sequence by the day here.......and I think the editorial was a red herring to stop the Woodward momentum. Hell, it could be Bannon who is behind all of this for all we know.
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Post by dezii on Sept 6, 2018 11:02:48 GMT -5
not really. military folks owe their allegiance: 1) to the constitution 2) to the USCC 3) to the president when both the constitution and the USCC are against the president, obeying the president is more of an issue for them than refusing orders. assassinations have been against the law since, i believe, 1973.
Well, imo, that puts both Mattis and Kelly in the lead - and they are allies. Ford signed that into law...dj knew that , I knew that....Trump? Hell he's only the President...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 11:04:19 GMT -5
I don't often watch the Rachel Maddow show because she takes so long introducing a story I heard earlier in the day. You have a good point that she doesn't interrupt like so many others and has a few things that weren't covered earlier in the day. Chris Mathews is the worst at interrupting yet I watch him. When he does let them speak I like who he has on. I quit watching Chris Matthews because he'd ask a question, then interrupt the person as they were speaking. It's annoying as hell. I like Jake Tapper, but when he gets 4 people chattering all at once, like yesterday, I shut it off. I like calm, clear questions and uninterrupted responses. One person speaking at a time, not people talking over each other. Rachel does often take a long time on her lead ins. It's a game for me to try and figure out where she's headed. Of course, yesterday, I figured she'd be on the big story, but she finds angles others had not considered. I was not surprised that she seemed unnerved by the disclosure of what is effectively an administrative coup -
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Post by dezii on Sept 6, 2018 11:04:37 GMT -5
You might want to give her a try. She always has an interesting lead in; she tries to have people with different points of view; she does not interrupt her guests; if she gets a fact wrong, she apologizes and gives a correction. Sorry, I wrote her off in early 2016, and will never go back to her Joe Scarborough, or anyone on MSNBC Am sure they will survive...Just saying.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 6, 2018 11:06:05 GMT -5
Is anyone else concerned that Trump is so easy to manipulate? I can only imagine that he spends more than 15 minutes "fuming" about these kinds of things before he spews out a tweet. How many other little slights consume his attention during the day/night? If he's bombarded with enough of them - would it keep him occupied to the point that he becomes totally ineffectual as a "leader" (ie his administration keeps things running without any input necessary from him) while Trump ruminates and fumes on whatever has his attention? (I know people in real life who spend a lot of emotional energy and time on dealing with "the people who are out to get them" OR who are always on the look out for a way to take "revenge" on someone they dislike or feel they were slighted by. It consumes a lot of their time and thought processes. which means they don't get much else done as they don't have time/energy.) I actually think it is a very good thing he gets very little done. All the time he spends sulking about how people are being mean to him is less time he spends trying to kick brown people out of the country, or get into
However I don't think it's a good thing that there is essentially a parallel administration behind the scenes, actually running things. We didn't elect those people. These are Trump's picks to run the government, and we all know how some of his 'best' people suck. Bigly. The only good part of that is it seems there is a group of them, hopefully getting coconscious between themselves on the best way forward, so it's not like we've got just Stephen Miller making all the decisions. Yes. Which is exactly what the people behind Trump (and his ardent supporters) wanted. Their votes didn't exactly elect Trump - they elected all the people he put into place. And this is what I think the GOP sold out for. I really don't think anyone in politics likes/admires/or really supports Trump. I've always felt that Trump was nothing more than a puppet. I wonder how Trump feels about being used?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 11:06:50 GMT -5
there is a third possibility, and that is that you are just playing games with me. if that is the case, i would appreciate you coming clean now, so i can stop taking you seriously.My money is on the third possibility. Let me be perfectly clear here. I trust and like dj. I would never play him. We have our differences, such as his political affilliation he claims he has, which I will not mention.......other than that he is good. Am I the only person here that has noticed Woodward's book discussion has been basically been ignored on this board because of the NY Times editorial yesterday afternoon?Omaroosa's book played for a week here on the boards before dying The attention span of media outlets and our members seem to run on a smaller clock sequence by the day here.......and I think the editorial was a red herring to stop the Woodward momentum. Hell, it could be Bannon who is behind all of this for all we know. That discussion is ongoing on another thread. This particular thread is right in line with Woodward's book. How could it be a "red herring" when it supports Woodward's account? Omarosa does not have the journalistic stature of Woodward. I did not bother reading her book. I've already pre-purchased Woodwar'ds. I've read some of his other books. He is very, very thorough.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 11:10:38 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 6, 2018 11:12:20 GMT -5
there is a third possibility, and that is that you are just playing games with me. if that is the case, i would appreciate you coming clean now, so i can stop taking you seriously.My money is on the third possibility. Let me be perfectly clear here. I trust and like dj. I would never play him. We have our differences, such as his political affilliation he claims he has, which I will not mention.......other than that he is good. Am I the only person here that has noticed Woodward's book discussion has been basically been ignored on this board because of the NY Times editorial yesterday afternoon? Omaroosa's book played for a week here on the boards before dying The attention span of media outlets and our members seem to run on a smaller clock sequence by the day here.......and I think the editorial was a red herring to stop the Woodward momentum. Hell, it could be Bannon who is behind all of this for all we know. I understand your theory, but I think, if someone wanted to distract, they would distract completely away from the WH.
Adding this editorial on top of Woodward's book is a one-two punch on an already punch drunk guy.
A better redirection is pointing people to one of Trump's favorite talking points, hordes of immigrants flooding our borders. It wouldn't take much to whip up a faux story of a horde of gang members on their bikes and ATV's racing towards some unprotected part of the fence, or tunneling in under the border. Easy to hire some actors, make some fake footage (or find old footage), and it draws the focus completely away from the WH.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2018 11:52:30 GMT -5
Let me be perfectly clear here. I trust and like dj. I would never play him. We have our differences, such as his political affilliation he claims he has, which I will not mention.......other than that he is good. Am I the only person here that has noticed Woodward's book discussion has been basically been ignored on this board because of the NY Times editorial yesterday afternoon? Omaroosa's book played for a week here on the boards before dying The attention span of media outlets and our members seem to run on a smaller clock sequence by the day here.......and I think the editorial was a red herring to stop the Woodward momentum. Hell, it could be Bannon who is behind all of this for all we know. I understand your theory, but I think, if someone wanted to distract, they would distract completely away from the WH.
Adding this editorial on top of Woodward's book is a one-two punch on an already punch drunk guy.
A better redirection is pointing people to one of Trump's favorite talking points, hordes of immigrants flooding our borders. It wouldn't take much to whip up a faux story of a horde of gang members on their bikes and ATV's racing towards some unprotected part of the fence, or tunneling in under the border. Easy to hire some actors, make some fake footage (or find old footage), and it draws the focus completely away from the WH.
Y'all remember this trump ad? Highly suggested those going over the wall were crossing from Mexico into the U.S.? But in reality it was Africans climbing over a fence from Morocco into the Spanish enclave of Melilla in Africa. He and his lied to fool some of us once and God knows he has lied thousands of times since then to still fool some of us.
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Post by kadee79 on Sept 6, 2018 13:12:03 GMT -5
Read some place earlier today....
Documented lies or distorted truths by DT...4720 & counting. Documented lies or distorted truths by Bob Woodward since the beginning of his career....0
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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 6, 2018 19:08:38 GMT -5
Well, imo, that puts both Mattis and Kelly in the lead - and they are allies. Ford signed that into law...dj knew that , I knew that....Trump? Hell he's only the President... Trump in 1973? H*ll of course he wouldn't know. In '73 he was far to busy protecting his bunnions bonespurs and, like the true hero he claims to be, avoiding catching a VD. Even at that time he was too busy and heroically "MAGA" to notice anything around him that did not put his "greatness" on a billboard so a little law against assasination - pffft...
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Sept 6, 2018 19:43:03 GMT -5
I agree totally with u Jaguar...however, the reality is , the Republicans favor the Donald by 89% of their total...His base will turn out for him so both midterms and in 2020...we others HAVE to turn out to counter their votes and not stay on the side lines...even if one isn't crazy about the opposition to the drumette one running for office ...have to swallow hard and vote against the Donald supporter... it is good to remember that. it is also good to remember that about half of his support is from seniors, and they average something like 71% turnout. half of the support for Democrats comes from those under 35. however, their turnout rates are about HALF of that of Seniors. so, yes, Democrats need to mobilize the base by convincing them of the utter horrors that await them if they fail to do so. side note: it almost never works.
That's really key, getting the vote out.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 19:52:26 GMT -5
it is good to remember that. it is also good to remember that about half of his support is from seniors, and they average something like 71% turnout. half of the support for Democrats comes from those under 35. however, their turnout rates are about HALF of that of Seniors. so, yes, Democrats need to mobilize the base by convincing them of the utter horrors that await them if they fail to do so. side note: it almost never works.
That's really key, getting the vote out. Yes, and that’s why the Republicans are working so hard to suppress the vote
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 6, 2018 20:00:40 GMT -5
there is a third possibility, and that is that you are just playing games with me. if that is the case, i would appreciate you coming clean now, so i can stop taking you seriously.My money is on the third possibility. Let me be perfectly clear here. I trust and like dj. I would never play him. We have our differences, such as his political affilliation he claims he has independent? you don't believe i am an independent (unaffiliated)? why on EARTH would you not believe that? and what do you need in order to believe that? my voting records? i find the level of distrust here bothersome. why on Earth would i lie about that? what value would it have? this board is weird.
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Post by Jaguar on Sept 6, 2018 20:17:22 GMT -5
Let me be perfectly clear here. I trust and like dj. I would never play him. We have our differences, such as his political affilliation he claims he has independent? you don't believe i am an independent (unaffiliated)? why on EARTH would you not believe that? and what do you need in order to believe that? my voting records? i find the level of distrust here bothersome. why on Earth would i lie about that? what value would it have? this board is weird.
I say there's something in the pasta sauce, when I see weird posts to me. I just don't answer them anymore, keeps them guessing and on their toes.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 6, 2018 20:28:48 GMT -5
independent? you don't believe i am an independent (unaffiliated)? why on EARTH would you not believe that? and what do you need in order to believe that? my voting records? i find the level of distrust here bothersome. why on Earth would i lie about that? what value would it have? this board is weird.
I say there's something in the pasta sauce, when I see weird posts to me. I just don't answer them anymore, keeps them guessing and on their toes. i try to be as clear as possible.
i was a liberal Republican in 2016. but that election showed me more than any time in my adult life that the party has no place for me. so, FUCK the GOP. but i would also like to point out that Democrats are responsible for practically every war we have ever entered. so, FUCK DEMOCRATS, TOO. if that is not clear enough to all of the doubters, you just let me know. i can try more caps and swearing.
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Post by Opti on Sept 6, 2018 20:33:03 GMT -5
Then, GOP get off your fucking asses and serve the American Constitution . Start the impeachment now. Honestly they would hate it if I was in there, cause I would start the proceedings They can't impeach him without reason. However, they could try for article 25. But they won't. Its too close to midterms and they are willing to sink with the ship. MO.
Whatever happens is likely to occur after midterms, even if seeds are being sown now. I expect Trump will be in office thru 2018, unless he resigns or has a serious medical issue.
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Post by Opti on Sept 6, 2018 20:34:35 GMT -5
I say there's something in the pasta sauce, when I see weird posts to me. I just don't answer them anymore, keeps them guessing and on their toes. i try to be as clear as possible.
i was a liberal Republican in 2016. but that election showed me more than any time in my adult life that the party has no place for me. so, FUCK the GOP. but i would also like to point out that Democrats are responsible for practically every war we have ever entered. so, FUCK DEMOCRATS, TOO. if that is not clear enough to all of the doubters, you just let me know. i can try more caps and swearing. It would be way more fun and informative, if you did it as a song.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 6, 2018 20:41:51 GMT -5
i try to be as clear as possible.
i was a liberal Republican in 2016. but that election showed me more than any time in my adult life that the party has no place for me. so, FUCK the GOP. but i would also like to point out that Democrats are responsible for practically every war we have ever entered. so, FUCK DEMOCRATS, TOO. if that is not clear enough to all of the doubters, you just let me know. i can try more caps and swearing. It would be way more fun and informative, if you did it as a song. i am sure it would. what do you play?
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Post by Opti on Sept 6, 2018 20:42:00 GMT -5
Let me be perfectly clear here. I trust and like dj. I would never play him. We have our differences, such as his political affilliation he claims he has independent? you don't believe i am an independent (unaffiliated)? why on EARTH would you not believe that? and what do you need in order to believe that? my voting records? i find the level of distrust here bothersome. why on Earth would i lie about that? what value would it have? this board is weird.
DJ, Remember who you are dealing with. Some people truly are binary. They can't or won't handle complexity. So if the choices are GOP or Democratic Party, and they know you aren't GOP, they feel there is only one choice.
And its not your explanations that are the problem. It is part of your audience is unable to process or handle what you post. Happens to me a lot. Some posters are so used to their own filters or ways of looking at things, they really can't conceive you don't think that way at all.
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Post by Opti on Sept 6, 2018 20:44:12 GMT -5
It would be way more fun and informative, if you did it as a song. i am sure it would. what do you play? Piano, cello, viola a little bit, and a bit of folk guitar. I've been learning some cool things from visitors so now I want an electric cello and to go guitar shopping. I have my Mom's old folk guitar and two old keyboards.
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