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Post by dezii on Sept 6, 2018 7:09:11 GMT -5
Or: I didn't realize how far the DEEP STATE would go to get rid of the best President the US has ever had to prevent him from MAGA. Fox news is still covering border security, President Trump might shut the government down if he doesn't get $ this go round for the wall. How many kids still not reunited with parents / guardians and how many they have no clue where parents are..or in some cases the kids themselves... Methink the Donald has some problems more seriouse then building a wall..
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 6, 2018 7:09:28 GMT -5
People wondering if it is the Secretary of State this morning. I doubt it because he is mostly out of town for the most part. My bet it is President Trump, stirring the pot using someone in the Administration to place the misdirection into action. He loves this shit, and keeps his base intact and drives the swamp crazy.
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 6, 2018 7:50:24 GMT -5
People wondering if it is the Secretary of State this morning. I doubt it because he is mostly out of town for the most part. My bet it is President Trump, stirring the pot using someone in the Administration to place the misdirection into action. He loves this shit, and keeps his base intact and drives the swamp crazy. Yeah, keep telling yourself that! It's not President Trump, it's everybody else, right?
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 6, 2018 7:53:11 GMT -5
People wondering if it is the Secretary of State this morning. I doubt it because he is mostly out of town for the most part. My bet it is President Trump, stirring the pot using someone in the Administration to place the misdirection into action. He loves this shit, and keeps his base intact and drives the swamp crazy. Yeah, keep telling yourself that! It's not President Trump, it's everybody else, right? not sure I understand your response......I was serious.
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Post by kadee79 on Sept 6, 2018 8:34:30 GMT -5
DT doesn't have the writing skills nor the verbiage skills to write anything like that. Besides, the paper knows who the author is & I seriously doubt they would have printed it had DT written it....or even an inkling that he was behind it either.
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Post by dezii on Sept 6, 2018 8:40:08 GMT -5
I am thinking it might be someone who is considering resigning from his position...possible right after the midterms ...just setting the table like they want to....never to admit it unless the times releases the name after the fact...Am thinking Kelley if I have to pick one....except as a 4 star Marine...code of conduct and such...nope, I'm wrong, can't be Kelley. Back to the drawing board...
His wife? Hmmmm
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2018 8:45:00 GMT -5
I am thinking it might be someone who is considering resigning from his position...possible right after the midterms ...just setting the table like they want to....never to admit it unless the times releases the name after the fact...Am thinking Kelley if I have to pick one....except as a 4 star Marine...code of conduct and such...nope, I'm wrong, can't be Kelley. Back to the drawing board... His wife? Hmmmm Melania is heading to Africa soon. Maybe Melania will ask for asylum in one of those "Shithole countries".
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 6, 2018 9:15:11 GMT -5
I also say possibly both Conways, but I don't think Kelly Ann has the balls to actually release it. I saw Nikki Haley as another possibility because he undermines everything she does or says with the UN. I think it's Kellyanne's husband.
He's a staunch conservative and he loathes Trump. He belongs to a DC group of anti-Trump conservatives that meet periodically.
I don't think Kellyanne is colluding with him - I read an article about Kellyanne and her DH and she is not pleased that her DH is so outspoken against Trump. I suspect they're still married only because they're too busy to get a divorce. But he seems like a very strong conservative with a firm moral compass and a deep antipathy towards Trump (that he occasionally lets loose in tweets) plus he's a lawyer, and that article, to me, seemed a little like a summation of a court case against Trump.
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 6, 2018 9:16:52 GMT -5
Yeah, keep telling yourself that! It's not President Trump, it's everybody else, right? not sure I understand your response......I was serious. I'm sorry...yes, of course, President Trump came up with the whole thing. Yes, of course, he is sitting back laughing at the heads exploding. So Presidential! #MAGA
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 9:21:51 GMT -5
I am thinking it might be someone who is considering resigning from his position...possible right after the midterms ...just setting the table like they want to....never to admit it unless the times releases the name after the fact...Am thinking Kelley if I have to pick one....except as a 4 star Marine...code of conduct and such...nope, I'm wrong, can't be Kelley. Back to the drawing board... His wife? Hmmmm Why are you ruling Kelly out? That’s my best guess...
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 6, 2018 9:25:40 GMT -5
People wondering if it is the Secretary of State this morning. I doubt it because he is mostly out of town for the most part. My bet it is President Trump, stirring the pot using someone in the Administration to place the misdirection into action. He loves this shit, and keeps his base intact and drives the swamp crazy. Can't be Trump, he can't write that well. I'm not sure he writes at all. Now, could he have gotten Sarah Sanders to write it for him? Possibly. However, I think this is too subtle for Trump. I think when he wants to misdirect us, he'll pick a fight with some other nation. Start a nice brisk armed conflict someplace, get Americans to rally around the flag - it would be a great opportunity to label his critics as 'unAmerican' for coming after the president in a time of war.
It would have to be a fight we could easily win, but with someone we really hate, preferably some brown, non Christian people.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2018 9:37:37 GMT -5
Matthew Dowd, an ABC political consultant, made a good point this morning on Good Morning America. Dowd said it would be worthless at this time for the anonymous source to come forward and identify him/herself as the author of the anonymous NYT's article.
Dowd pointed out if the source publicly addressed his concerns in front of a republican majority Congress, nothing would happen as the republicans in Congress have done nothing to rein in trump's bizarre unpresidential behavior and amorality.
Should Democrats win a majority of the House seats in November, and once they are seated in January, maybe the anonymous source will step forward and speak to the House.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 9:40:09 GMT -5
People wondering if it is the Secretary of State this morning. I doubt it because he is mostly out of town for the most part. My bet it is President Trump, stirring the pot using someone in the Administration to place the misdirection into action. He loves this shit, and keeps his base intact and drives the swamp crazy. Can't be Trump, he can't write that well. I'm not sure he writes at all. Now, could he have gotten Sarah Sanders to write it for him? Possibly. However, I think this is too subtle for Trump. I think when he wants to misdirect us, he'll pick a fight with some other nation. Start a nice brisk armed conflict someplace, get Americans to rally around the flag - it would be a great opportunity to label his critics as 'unAmerican' for coming after the president in a time of war.
It would have to be a fight we could easily win, but with someone we really hate, preferably some brown, non Christian people.
No way it could be trump 1) The Times knows who it is 2) Too many big words.... 3) He only brags about what a genius he is. He’d never admit to having the comprehension skills of a 5th grader (apologies to 5th graders) 4) Don’t think it’s Melania either -she’s mostly avoided political issues. And I don’t think her English is that good either
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Post by cktc on Sept 6, 2018 9:44:56 GMT -5
I think there are multiple people behind the letter. Clearly more than one person is involved in circumventing him, they aren't going to blindside the rest of the "resistance" and compromise the mission.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2018 9:46:16 GMT -5
Does anyone really believe trump writes his own speeches?
I don't think trump released the letter. And I don't think any of trump's most ardent sympathizers wrote it for trump either nor wrote it themselves. Protect the King.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 9:50:02 GMT -5
Matthew Dowd, an ABC political consultant, made a good point this morning on Good Morning America. Dowd said it would be worthless at this time for the anonymous source to come forward and identify him/herself as the author of the anonymous NYT's article. Dowd pointed out if the source publicly addressed his concerns in front of a republican majority Congress, nothing would happen as the republicans in Congress have done nothing to rein in trump's bizarre unpresidential behavior and amorality. Should Democrats win a majority of the House seats in November, and once they are seated in January, maybe the anonymous source will step forward and speak to the House. Excellent point. Another oped piece pointed iut that if the author had identified themself, everyone would be talking about them, where they grew up, went to school, analyzing their carrier and the message of the piece itself, would be lost.
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Post by dezii on Sept 6, 2018 9:53:08 GMT -5
I am thinking it might be someone who is considering resigning from his position...possible right after the midterms ...just setting the table like they want to....never to admit it unless the times releases the name after the fact...Am thinking Kelley if I have to pick one....except as a 4 star Marine...code of conduct and such...nope, I'm wrong, can't be Kelley. Back to the drawing board... His wife? Hmmmm Why are you ruling Kelly out? That’s my best guess... "except as a 4 star Marine...code of conduct and such...nope, I'm wrong, can't be Kelley. "================= There is a officers code of conduct...for a professional military person like him...as McCain turned down coming home ahead of his fellow prisoners...they had a unwritten rule..last captured last to go home...it's a code...very important...what they live bye...the great majority.... Your correct..a natural suspect till I gave it some thought..I could be wrong however.....
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Post by Tiny on Sept 6, 2018 9:54:50 GMT -5
Is anyone else concerned that Trump is so easy to manipulate? I can only imagine that he spends more than 15 minutes "fuming" about these kinds of things before he spews out a tweet. How many other little slights consume his attention during the day/night?
If he's bombarded with enough of them - would it keep him occupied to the point that he becomes totally ineffectual as a "leader" (ie his administration keeps things running without any input necessary from him) while Trump ruminates and fumes on whatever has his attention?
(I know people in real life who spend a lot of emotional energy and time on dealing with "the people who are out to get them" OR who are always on the look out for a way to take "revenge" on someone they dislike or feel they were slighted by. It consumes a lot of their time and thought processes. which means they don't get much else done as they don't have time/energy.)
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 9:55:44 GMT -5
Why are you ruling Kelly out? That’s my best guess... "except as a 4 star Marine...code of conduct and such...nope, I'm wrong, can't be Kelley. "================= There is a officers code of conduct...for a professional military person like him...as McCain turned down coming home ahead of his fellow prisoners...they had a unwritten rule..last captured last to go home...it's a code...very important...what they live bye...the great majority.... Your correct..a natural suspect till I gave it some thought..I could be wrong however..... If it’s Kelly, that would have been an agnozing decision....
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2018 10:09:07 GMT -5
I can see Kelly doing this. In a sense, Kelly is shooting a warning shot across trump's bow.
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Post by dezii on Sept 6, 2018 10:11:31 GMT -5
It seems the Donald is now demanding the Times turn over the name of the author of the op/ed...claiming national security...don't think thats going to fly personally... Am sure Times would fight that under the first amendment...then appeal...if went all the way to SCOTUS , Trump might be out of office by the time the case was heard... According to the article posted here..Donald not a happy camper to say the least.....poor baby ……………... ======================== "Donald Trump has demanded the New York Times hand over its “GUTLESS” anonymous op-ed writer after the person, who the paper said was a senior administration official, claimed to be part of a “resistance” movement inside the White House working to tame the US president’s wilder tendencies." --------------------------------- Man has a way with words our President does...so Presidential...like in the "gutter ways"....impressive to foreign dignitaries... Lets them know who and what kind of individual they are dealing with...possible respond in kind....get down and dirty with him...Wonder if Donald has been faced with such types in his dealings as he was "negotiating".... -------------------------------------- www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-york-times-must-073203419.html
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Post by Tiny on Sept 6, 2018 10:16:22 GMT -5
People wondering if it is the Secretary of State this morning. I doubt it because he is mostly out of town for the most part. My bet it is President Trump, stirring the pot using someone in the Administration to place the misdirection into action. He loves this shit, and keeps his base intact and drives the swamp crazy. Do you know many successful but vindictive and vengeful people? Holding a grudge and looking for ways to take revenge takes ALOT of energy and time - which I would think effects the amount of time/effort one can put into being "successful" or keeping the wheels of success moving... Trump has been spewing (and seemingly pre-occupied with) vengeful things since before he hit the campaign trail. How much 'thought' can he be sparing for actual important decisions? I suspect Trump is upheld by his 'support people'/administration.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 10:16:53 GMT -5
Speaking of the Code of Honor. If you believe Woodward (and I do) then Mattis violated it when he refused a direct order to kill Assayd. Well, he didn’t refuse... He just didn’t do it.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 6, 2018 10:30:54 GMT -5
Speaking of the Code of Honor. If you believe Woodward (and I do) then Mattis violated it when he refused a direct order to kill Assayd. Well, he didn’t refuse... He just didn’t do it. Mattis might be the resistance insider......... What was the name of that 50's movie where a general in the Pentagon, was going rogue? I think Kirk Douglas starred in it. I see some similarities in this WH staff.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 6, 2018 10:32:56 GMT -5
Seven Days in May.
Rachel Maddow showed clips from it last night. Even she seemed unnerved by the notion of an adminstrative coup
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 6, 2018 10:37:15 GMT -5
Is anyone else concerned that Trump is so easy to manipulate? I can only imagine that he spends more than 15 minutes "fuming" about these kinds of things before he spews out a tweet. How many other little slights consume his attention during the day/night? If he's bombarded with enough of them - would it keep him occupied to the point that he becomes totally ineffectual as a "leader" (ie his administration keeps things running without any input necessary from him) while Trump ruminates and fumes on whatever has his attention? (I know people in real life who spend a lot of emotional energy and time on dealing with "the people who are out to get them" OR who are always on the look out for a way to take "revenge" on someone they dislike or feel they were slighted by. It consumes a lot of their time and thought processes. which means they don't get much else done as they don't have time/energy.) I actually think it is a very good thing he gets very little done. All the time he spends sulking about how people are being mean to him is less time he spends trying to kick brown people out of the country, or get into
However I don't think it's a good thing that there is essentially a parallel administration behind the scenes, actually running things. We didn't elect those people. These are Trump's picks to run the government, and we all know how some of his 'best' people suck. Bigly. The only good part of that is it seems there is a group of them, hopefully getting coconscious between themselves on the best way forward, so it's not like we've got just Stephen Miller making all the decisions.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 6, 2018 10:38:17 GMT -5
People wondering if it is the Secretary of State this morning. I doubt it because he is mostly out of town for the most part. My bet it is President Trump, stirring the pot using someone in the Administration to place the misdirection into action. He loves this shit, and keeps his base intact and drives the swamp crazy. Can't be Trump, he can't write that well. I'm not sure he writes at all. Now, could he have gotten Sarah Sanders to write it for him? Possibly. However, I think this is too subtle for Trump. I think when he wants to misdirect us, he'll pick a fight with some other nation. Start a nice brisk armed conflict someplace, get Americans to rally around the flag - it would be a great opportunity to label his critics as 'unAmerican' for coming after the president in a time of war.
It would have to be a fight we could easily win, but with someone we really hate, preferably some brown, non Christian people.
subtle? that thing is a sledge hammer.
prosaic? yeah, it is far too prosaic for Trump. he would never write that. but i think K's point is the strongest: the NYT would never go along with it if it were a ruse. ever.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 6, 2018 10:39:27 GMT -5
Seven Days in May. Rachel Maddow showed clips from it last night. Even she seemed unnerved by the notion of an adminstrative coup Damn, I do not ever watch her, and yet we were thinking the same thing?
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 6, 2018 10:44:25 GMT -5
Can't be Trump, he can't write that well. I'm not sure he writes at all. Now, could he have gotten Sarah Sanders to write it for him? Possibly. However, I think this is too subtle for Trump. I think when he wants to misdirect us, he'll pick a fight with some other nation. Start a nice brisk armed conflict someplace, get Americans to rally around the flag - it would be a great opportunity to label his critics as 'unAmerican' for coming after the president in a time of war.
It would have to be a fight we could easily win, but with someone we really hate, preferably some brown, non Christian people.
subtle? that thing is a sledge hammer.
prosaic? yeah, it is far too prosaic for Trump. he would never write that. but i think K's point is the strongest: the NYT would never go along with it if it were a ruse. ever.
I am sure he never writes anything other than his tweets, and not sure about all of them I do not put it past him to be the manipulator behind the curtain pulling the strings on this editorial.....Trump could have a member who feeds the message to the NY Times and they feel this person is legitimate.......Trump would love to set them up for the big finish..... Anyhow, I imagine by Saturday we will know who it is, and like everything else, he is golden and there will not be any trail coming back to expose his involvement. Secretary of State came out and denied being the writer this morning.........
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 6, 2018 10:44:30 GMT -5
Speaking of the Code of Honor. If you believe Woodward (and I do) then Mattis violated it when he refused a direct order to kill Assayd. Well, he didn’t refuse... He just didn’t do it. not really. military folks owe their allegiance: 1) to the constitution 2) to the USCC 3) to the president when both the constitution and the USCC are against the president, obeying the president is more of an issue for them than refusing orders. assassinations have been against the law since, i believe, 1973.
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