Bãsïs fór "Birther" Claims

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More from Wikipedia:

Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital (now called Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children) in Honolulu, Hawaii,[18][21][22][23] to Ann Dunham,[24] from Wichita, Kansas.[19] Obama's father was Barack Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya Colony. Obama's parents were divorced in 1964. His mother subsequently married Indonesian student Lolo , who was attending the University of Hawaii. The family moved to Jakarta, Indonesia, in 1967,[25] where they remained until Obama was ten years old. Obama then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham. He attended kindergarten in 1966–1967 at Noelani Elementary School.[18][26] One of his high school teachers, who was acquainted with his mother at the time, remembered the day of his birth.[24] Obama has resided continuously in the United States since 1971.

I especially found this interesting as the dual citizen issue is the only possible
legit issue that IMO may have existed.

In August 2008, the Rocky Mountain News ran an online article asserting that Obama is both a U.S. and a Kenyan citizen.[67] This turned out to be incorrect. Although the paper published an apology for the mistake, it provided more fuel for online rumors about Obama's eligibility for the presidency. FactCheck noted that Obama had indeed been a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC) under British law, by virtue of his descent from a Kenyan father at a time when Kenya was a British colony, and lost CUKC citizenship and became a Kenyan citizen when that country gained independence in 1963. However, Kenya's constitution prohibits dual citizenship in adulthood. Obama had therefore automatically lost his Kenyan citizenship at age 23, in 1984, by failing to formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.[68]

According to either the parental citizenship or the dual citizenship theories, Chester A. Arthur, 21st President of the United States (1881–1885), would also not have been qualified for the office. His father, a Protestant preacher from Ireland, was a British subject who did not naturalize as a U.S. citizen until some years after the future President's birth.

[henryclay]

That poster child of integrity, that "Factcheck" website, , , that offshoot of Bill Ayers, , , that subsidy of Saul Alinsky, , , has posted a, , , ahem, , , a something or other that the liberals refer to as a "Birth Certificate".

But I don't believe I have ever seen or heard, , , not even once, , , of anything where Obama his own self said it was HIS.

What am I missing?

[Virgil Showlion]

Mmhmm, you indicated that the ads placed for Mr. Obama's birth indicated he was born at Queen's Hospital in Honolulu. The Wikipedia article states "Kapi'olani Medical Center". Were you mistaken in your original statement? :-\

Regarding "Certificate of Live Birth", perhaps we can find common ground in agreeing that it is not equivalent to a Birth Certificate (in the sense that it is not as "protected" a document) but that it is equivalent to a BC in the sense that it legally suffices to represent a Birth Certificate.

[privateinvestor]

Laugh and scoff at the Birthers but don't forget there are 1 out 4 in recent polling who do NOT believe that Obama was born in the United States.. so that says there has to be a lot of doubt about Obama's birth certificate or claim he is a natural born citizen..

[Virgil Showlion]

I've seen shows where random adults are shown a globe with 'IRAQ' written in big letters across the United States, asked to find Iraq, and will (after an exhaustive search) happily point to the US.

Let's just say that regardless of whether Obama was born in America, '25% of the masses' doesn't mean what it used to.

[privateinvestor]

Apr 9, 2011 15:56:15 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I've seen shows where random adults are shown a globe with 'IRAQ' written in big letters across the United States, asked to find Iraq, and will (after an exhaustive search) happily point to the US.

Let's just say that regardless of whether Obama was born in America, '25% of the masses' doesn't mean what it used to. [/quote][/color]

CNN Poll Obama Born in the USA or Not

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[billisonboard]

Apr 9, 2011 15:56:15 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I've seen shows where random adults are shown a globe with 'IRAQ' written in big letters across the United States, asked to find Iraq, and will (after an exhaustive search) happily point to the US.

Let's just say that regardless of whether Obama was born in America, '25% of the masses' doesn't mean what it used to.

(billisonboard steps up on his soapbox)

It is my contention that there has never been a time when it wasn't possible to find Americans who could not properly identify countries on a map or in some other way indicate their ignorance of the world.

(billisonboard steps off his soapbox)

[Virgil Showlion]

Yeah, but to point at your own country on a map and identify it as the nation you've been at war with for eight years?

That can't possibly have a historical precedent, can it?

ETA: The shows don't indicate how many people they have to interview before they find a 'winner' who gets airtime. Hence, it could be 1 in 100.

However, given that they'll interview groups of 3-4 people and sometimes get the same result, I strongly suspect it isn't that low.

ChiTownVenture published (unverified) stats that 18% of Americans believe the Earth is flat, and (verified) 20% believe that the sun revolves around the Earth. Those numbers threw me.

[privateinvestor]

9 out of 10 Baseball experts on MLB.Net think the Red Sox are a shoe in to win the World Series this fall..

[mmhmm]

Apr 9, 2011 15:02:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Mmhmm, you indicated that the ads placed for Mr. Obama's birth indicated he was born at Queen's Hospital in Honolulu. The Wikipedia article states "Kapi'olani Medical Center". Were you mistaken in your original statement? :-\

Regarding "Certificate of Live Birth", perhaps we can find common ground in agreeing that it is not equivalent to a Birth Certificate (in the sense that it is not as "protected" a document) but that it is equivalent to a BC in the sense that it legally suffices to represent a Birth Certificate.

Heh. No, Virgil. Kapi'olani was the Queen many moons ago. It's after Queen Kapi'olani that the hospital is named. The locals still call it Queen's hospital, I think. It's been a number of years since I was there.

[Virgil Showlion]

Hmm. A plausible answer.

Almost too plausible.

Where were you on the night Barack H. Obama was supposedly born in a supposed hospital in the supposed state of "Hawaii"?

[burnsattornincan]

never mind.

[Opti]

Almost too plausible.

Exactly. It makes far more sense that an eighteen year old took a long flight to another country with worse medical facilities to have her child so her husband's step mother could witness the birth.

[privateinvestor]

Obama Birth Certificate Bombshell!

Investigative teams acting on orders of newly elected Congressmen are fanning out around the world to uncover the truth about President Barack Obama's birthplace, political insiders tell GLOBE in a blockbuster world exclusive! Find out how Obama's political enemies are leaving no stone unturned to expose his Hawaiian birth certificate as a fake and prove he was REALLY born in Kenya. It's must reading for every American!





www.globemagazine.com/story/579

[billisonboard]

Find out why as GLOBE details the business mogul's eye-opening statements about the controversy surrounding Obama's birth place!

And while there, make sure you read about Judge Judy's Stroke Shocker, the exlusive interview with Liz's Secret Lover, George Clooney's Sex Scandal, and how Glenn Ford was Drunken Wife Beater. But most importantly, don't miss the Palace cover-up of the Collapse of William's Bride.

[mmhmm]

There is nothing in GLOBE that is a must-read for anybody, anywhere. It's like reading your news from The National Enquirer.

[privateinvestor]

Apr 10, 2011 9:10:42 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

There is nothing in GLOBE that is a must-read for anybody, anywhere. It's like reading your news from The National Enquirer.

Thanx for telling me that now after reading the Globe in the Safeway Checkout line for the past 19 years...

But I personally prefer it to the Huffington Post in case you were wondering this AM....Ma'am..??

[ugonow]

What difference does it make?Obama is about to die from lung cancer ------www.globemagazine.com/story/421

[mmhmm]

But I personally prefer it to the Huffington Post in case you were wondering this AM....Ma'am..??

Believe me, I have absolutely no interest in your personal preferences, so wasn't wondering. You ain't all that. You ain't even the bag o' chips.

I don't read Huffington Post for news, either. If I'm looking for news, I'm not looking for biased news on either side of an issue.

[privateinvestor]

[quote author=mmhmm board=politics thread=5693 post=246698 time=1302449093]

But I personally prefer it to the Huffington Post in case you were wondering this AM....Ma'am..??

Believe me, I have absolutely no interest in your personal preferences, so wasn't wondering. You ain't all that. You ain't even the bag o' chips.

I don't read Huffington Post for news, either. If I'm looking for news, I'm not looking for biased news on either side of an issue.[/quote][/color]

Researchers at the Univ at Columbia University found that happy people were much happier than grumpy older people and were also less likely to have heart problems. This study was conducted over ten years based on 1700 adults in Canada including women who spent a considerable amount of time on message boards displaying both a sense of humor and a sense of anger..

So even if you are gumpy, by nature it is never too late to be cheerful and as Saint Iraeneus said " The grace of God is a person fully alive and happy"

[mmhmm]

That's great to know, P.I. I'm very upbeat, so I'm pretty happy most of the time. At nearly 70, I have no heart problems, normal blood pressure, low cholesterol, and take no medications other than vitamins. That good fortune adds to my happiness. Heck, I don't even wear glasses!

[privateinvestor]

Apr 10, 2011 13:21:54 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

That's great to know, P.I. I'm very upbeat, so I'm pretty happy most of the time. At nearly 70, I have no heart problems, normal blood pressure, low cholesterol, and take no medications other than vitamins. That good fortune adds to my happiness. Heck, I don't even wear glasses!

Did you know that Saint Paul said that God loves the cheerful giver..??So cheerful folks realize that happiness could result in a healthy heart compared to less cheerful folks whose negative emotions can lead to stress and depression..that releases hormones that can damage heart muscles..

So my question is how did some of our grumpy members manage to live so long?? Or else they are coping with damaged heart muscles, I would guess??

[mmhmm]

Negativity can, indeed, impact cardiac function. In fact, it can impact all organ systems, in one way, or another. Negative people aren't doing themselves any favors, at all; however, genetics also has a part in things. That might explain why some whose attitudes are negative, and who seem to enjoy fishing for online fights live long lives.

Not knowing who here is negative, or positive, I won't comment on those who post here. If I don't know them, I can't really say much without overstepping my level of knowledge, and I don't personally know anyone here. I do know people have differing opinions. What's right for one person may not be right for another. That, to me, doesn't mean either is wrong. It just means they're different, and that's fine with me.

[moon/Laura]

PI.. i am sick and tired of your hateful snark towards women.. and don't tell me your comment isn't directed towards women specifically... we all know it is..

if you have nothing nice to say, either say nothing at all or go be snarky at shibby's place. i am tired of getting bitched at for the constant little digs you are engaging in.

[privateinvestor]

Btw we all know not to smoke, eat right and exercise to have a healthy heart so my suggestion is based on this study by Columbia of 1700 Canadians.....try being happier and you will have a healthy heart to live a much better quality of life, and why someone who is old and grumpy would want to stalk and taunt 6 to 8 hrs each and every day here makes no sense..or refer to someone here as just nothing more than a bag of chips is just obnoxious buffoonery par excellence

Time to watch the Bruins vs the New Jersey Devils.....later P.I. (not Political Instigator)

OOOOoooooops Devils just beat Thomas for a quick goal

[mmhmm]

Heh. P.I., you're not going to succeed in picking a fight with me. I'm not interested enough in you to bother, to be quite frank. You're talking out of your nether os. Happy people die of heart attacks every day. Unhappy people do, too. You're actually posting on these boards more often than I am. I haven't had the time, lately, to post much of anywhere. Oh, and being old doesn't bother me. It beats the heck out of the alternative; particularly, when one is healthy, and happy, and still working, and enjoying life. To this point in my life, no suggestions from you have been required. I'm absolutely convinced I can continue to live the rewarding life I'm currently living without those suggestions. Thanks, anyway, though.

[billisonboard]

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Word on the street is that rather than have people find out that his excellency Baracka Hussein Abu Oumama is President Obama on his birth certificate, and never legally changed his name back which means that the person who now occupies the White House, whether citizen or not, is in fact President Obama-- Oumama is seriously weighing not running for re-election so that his legacy can remain that of President Barack Hussein Obama. This story is supposedly going to break this week according to my sources, and it makes sense given that if we review only the admissions of Barack Obama, we are told that:

Obama was born to U.S. citizen Stanley Ann Dunham,

legally adopted by a foreign national named Lolo , had taken the name President Obama, and was given Indonesian citizenship.

He was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia, and attended a school there that accepted all faiths.

At one point, President Obama moved to Hawaii to reside with his grandparents after Lolo and Stanley Ann DUNHAM divorced. Obama completed high school as President Obama

Much is missing from his early years, including a legal name change from President Obama to Barack Hussein Obama II. Absent of any document to show the legal process of a name change within the U.S., it is likely that the man sitting in the Oval Office is, in fact, President Obama.

The above would also serve to explain the discrepancies with his social security number and region of issuance...

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[Opti]

"Word on the street is that rather than have people find out that his excellency Baracka Hussein Abu Oumama is President Obama on his birth certificate,"

Paul, what the heck you watching or listening to today?
She didn't marry until several years after Obama's birth and the posted certificate, big surprise, has Obama's expected name on it.

In other news, perhaps I should learn to sell to people who believe this stuff.
They'll buy anything it seems.