Bãsïs fór "Birther" Claims

[billisonboard]

It says rights there in the Constution Life, Liberty, and Low Gas Prices.

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Apr 8, 2011 15:05:35 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

What do you think Trump knows?

That people are stupid and will believe anything they want to hear?

pretty much!!!!

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Again, I see not a single substantive reply to the question in 15 some odd pages of posts. Just more stuff like "crazy!", "stupid!", "conspiracy theorist". So, let's see if I can get some answers here:

1. Does anyone know whether or not a "Certificate of Live Birth" from the state of Hawaii would be sufficient to get a United States Passport? If not, then it categorically is NOT equivalent to a Birth Certificate.

Let's start with this question. See if we can't get a straight answer.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Of course it is. Duh.

[Deleted]

Yes Paul... we've posted several times that the Hawaii government has said, and the governor who is a republican has said, that THAT is the form they give out when you ask for a birth certificate... for anything you need a birth certificate for... THAT is it...

Are you suggesting the president does NOT have a passport?

You have been given straight answer after straight answer... you either can't read, or you don't actually want one...

[hello fromWarsaw]

Now you're falling for "Apprentice "advertising...
No BS is too dumb...

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Re: Basis for "Birther" Claims
« Reply #100 on Mar 31, 2011, 9:46pm »

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On Oct. 31, 2008, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii Department of Health, issued this statement: "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

"Therefore I, as director of health for the state of Hawaii, along with the registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

"No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the state of Hawaii."

Even the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican who at the time was stumping for John McCain, said it was on the up-and-up.

Here's what the DHLL site says now: "the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth."

Said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii."

"There's only one form of birth certificate," she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

As for the theory that Obama's original birth certificate might show he was foreign-born, Okubo said the "Certification of Live Birth" would say so. Obama's does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.

We have one more thing. We talked to reporter Will Hoover, who wrote a well-researched story for the Honolulu Advertiser on Nov. 9, 2008, about Obama's childhood years in the the Aloha State. It ran under the headline "Obama Slept Here."

In researching the story, he went to the microfilm archives and found the birth announcement for Obama. Actually, he found two of them, one in his Honululu Advertiser on Aug. 13 , 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin the next day . They both said the same thing: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4."

But here's the thing. Newspaper officials he checked with confirmed those notices came from the state Department of Health.

"That's not the kind of stuff a family member calls in and says, 'Hey, can you put this in?'" Hoover explained.

Take a second and think about that. In order to phony those notices up, it would have required the complicity of the state Health Department and two independent newspapers — on the off chance this unnamed child might want to one day be president of the United States.

The Health Department says the "Certification of Live Birth" is Hawaii's version of a birth certificate....

Some details from the politifact piece... but they all cover it in detail...

[billisonboard]

Apr 8, 2011 16:41:12 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Again, I see not a single substantive reply to the question in 15 some odd pages of posts. Just more stuff like "crazy!", "stupid!", "conspiracy theorist". So, let's see if I can get some answers here:

1. Does anyone know whether or not a "Certificate of Live Birth" from the state of Hawaii would be sufficient to get a United States Passport? If not, then it categorically is NOT equivalent to a Birth Certificate.

Let's start with this question. See if we can't get a straight answer.

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[ed1066]

"Therefore I, as director of health for the state of Hawaii, along with the registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

Trust me, you guys! I looked at it, it was totally real! LOL!

[973beachbum]

"1. Does anyone know whether or not a "Certificate of Live Birth" from the state of Hawaii would be sufficient to get a United States Passport? If not, then it categorically is NOT equivalent to a Birth Certificate."


No Paul that is why they don't give the Cert of Live Birth for a passport like I explained . Which is why I said I had to specifically ask for a copy for passport purposes. The certified copy of mine looks like this one of his in the link. But this certified copy is legal for all purposes in regards to verifying identity and place of birth. This is the "copy" that people keep complaining that they don't like because it is not an original "long form" but the end is that Hawaii and Connecticut don't have any long forms to look at just the original Cert of live birth or Notice of Registration of Birth and when it becomes necessary for a raised seal type they just make a certified copy.

www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

Well if I knew what we were arguing about

Sorry darling, can't help you there. I can't give you reading comprehension, but I can give you my pity.

And don't trivialize my legal authority

I even gave you hints on being a better troll and everything. Try again, but with more legal-ese.

You said I didn't answer your questions a while back but I still don't know what those questions were.

Intelligent people such as lawyers know a comma separates an independent clause with a conjunction.

whom just happened to get stopped for no reason whilst being severely impaired

No, no, no. You may say something like "whom the police stopped," but you have the "people" as the subject (not the object) of the clause. The "get" got you in trouble.

Sleeping Beauty, Tom Thumb, and Quasimodo...

Oh look, it's Private Butthurt trying desperately to insult me. Try and be a lot less obvious with your trolling, darling. I just see a big baby whose panties are so bunched up, it actually looks like you have something downstairs. You know, there is such a thing as trying too hard, don't you?

I've been on unmoderated forums and have been called a lot worse than Rosie. Just letting you know what you're up against.

Again, another UNsatisfied customer.

[privateinvestor]

I've been on unmoderated forums and have been called a lot worse than Rosie. Just letting you know what you're up against

unmoderated forums??


I know full well who I am up against Ma'am in all due respect

And my butt doesn't hurt tonight the Red Sox finally won today...but I digress ..but appreciate your concern about it and what I have downstairs... ;D

[burnsattornincan]

I've been on unmoderated forums and have been called a lot worse than Rosie.

Now that is something I can believe.

[privateinvestor]

Apr 8, 2011 21:38:01 GMT -5 burnsattornincan said:

I've been on unmoderated forums and have been called a lot worse than Rosie.

Now that is something I can believe.

Mr Burns But a word of caution don't you know who you are going up against???

P.I. (Not a Private)

[Virgil Showlion]

What's this affair with the Governor of Hawaii being unable to find President Obama's Birth Certificate after widely claiming that he would do so?

Legitimate? Not?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Mr. Trump does business in NYC, Chicago, and Palm Beach among other places where I'm certain he needs to do business with liberals, unions, etc. He has billions. Why risk it all on a flimsy bet? What does Trump know?

[Virgil Showlion]

What does Trump know?

That Mr. Obama's ratings are in the tank and Americans are looking for a no-fuss no-muss option to get rid of him?

[privateinvestor]

Obama looks bad because his policies are to spend, spend, spend but Boehner forced his hand and now Obama has to cut, cut, cut..

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

Apr 8, 2011 13:23:25 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

After moving from 'no boots on the ground' to 'maybe some CIA boots to fund/supply Libyan rebels'.
...from 'fund Libyan rebels' to 'whoops, we may actually be funding Al Qaeda affiliates, but we will absolutely not send troops into Libya'...
...from 'absolutely no troops in Libya' to 'OK, maybe troops in Libya, but for humanitarian reasons'...
...to who knows what's next.

At the risk of sounding like a Republican, I don't blame the birthers for grasping at straws to get rid of President Obama. He's a veritable clone of President Bush. I'm hard pressed to think of anything of significance he's said since 2008 that wasn't either a lie or an obfuscation.

FISA, Gitmo, Wiretaps, Patriot Act, Budget Balancing, Iraq, Afghanistan, Jobs, Campaign Finance, Defense Cuts, now Libya, ...

If he's telling the truth about his birthplace, it's one of the few truthful utterances ever to grace his lips.

...and let's add "transparency" to that list, shall we? ;D

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

if he's telling the truth...

That's a pretty big "if" with any politician, but this one is in a class of his own. Suffice it to say I've gone from an agnostic on the birth certificate issue, to a "trust but verify" person. I still think he was born here, but now I want him to produce the birth certificate because I just want him to have to do something people demand he do-- just one time.

[Opti]

"now I want him to produce the birth certificate because I just want him to have to do something people demand he do-- just one time."

If I thought I only had one shot at getting Obama to do something I want I'd pick something more useful than having him show his birth certificate.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

<<< If I thought I only had one shot at getting Obama to do something I want I'd pick something more useful than having him show his birth certificate. >>>

...well, some would consider it useful to pick this thing... I mean, there's a lot of different ways to play poker...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 9, 2011 11:36:03 GMT -5 Opti said:

"now I want him to produce the birth certificate because I just want him to have to do something people demand he do-- just one time."

If I thought I only had one shot at getting Obama to do something I want I'd pick something more useful than having him show his birth certificate.

Baby steps. We can't train the man-child overnight.

[Deleted]

He already showed his birth certificate... what about that sentence is so difficult to comprehend?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 9, 2011 12:58:59 GMT -5 oped said:

He already showed his birth certificate... what about that sentence is so difficult to comprehend?

Donald Trump disagrees with you:

escapetyranny.com/2011/04/09/gotta-love-the-donald-trump-slaps-nyts-gail-collins-upside-the-head-with-wet-fish-praises-her-for-surviving-so-long-with-so-little-talent/

There is a very large segment of our society who believe that Barack Obama, indeed, was not born in the United States. His grandmother from Kenya stated, on tape, that he was born in Kenya and she was there to watch the birth. His family in Honolulu is fighting over which hospital in Hawaii he was born in-they just don’t know.

He has not been able to produce a “birth certificate” but merely a totally unsigned “certificate of live birth”-which is totally different and of very little significance. Unlike a birth certificate, a certificate of live birth is very easy to obtain. Equally of importance, there are no records in Hawaii that a Barack Hussein Obama was born there-no bills, no doctors names, no nurses names, no registrations, no payments, etc. As far as the two notices placed in newspapers, many things could have happened, but some feel the grandparents put an ad in order to show that he was a citizen of the U.S. with all of the benefits thereto. Everybody, after all, and especially then, wanted to be a United States citizen.

[Deleted]

The state of Hawaii has said... repeatedly... that the Certificate of Live Birth IS their birth certificate. It is not "different'... and is in fact what they give out any time, ANYONE requests a birth certificate.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 9, 2011 13:33:03 GMT -5 oped said:

The state of Hawaii has said... repeatedly... that the Certificate of Live Birth IS their birth certificate. It is not "different'... and is in fact what they give out any time, ANYONE requests a birth certificate.

That's simply false. State officials say they have seen his birth certificate, that it's real, and on file. But they don't dispute that a Certificate of Live Birth is it, or even that it's the equivalent. There's no signature, no serial number...it's a document that says there's a document.

Presumably at some point Donald Trump is going to be sitting across the table negotiating a deal and would probably prefer the person sitting on the other side not believe him to be a mad man.

So, he must know something.

[mmhmm]

*sigh* Hawaii law states the long form birth certificate of citizens born in Hawaii is not a public document and, therefore, cannot be released. It is held by the state and the Certificate of Live Birth is issued as its equivalent. That's Hawaii law. States' rights, and all that sort of stuff, ya know?

[Deleted]

One more time:

Even the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican who at the time was stumping for John McCain, said it was on the up-and-up.

Here's what the DHLL site says now: "the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth."

Said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii."

"There's only one form of birth certificate," she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

[Opti]

Presumably at some point Donald Trump is going to be sitting across the table negotiating a deal and would probably prefer the person sitting on the other side not believe him to be a mad man.

So, he must know something.

I think he knows who donates the money and who he has to appease.

Found some interesting stuff on Wikipedia:

Newt GingrichOn September 11, 2010, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich stated that Obama could only be understood by people who "understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior".[114] While Gingrich did not define what constitutes "Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior", White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs accused Gingrich of "trying to appeal to the fringe of people who don't think the president was born in this country." Gibbs then went on to say, "You would normally expect better of somebody who held the position of Speaker of the House, but look, it is political season, and most people will say anything, and Newt Gingrich does that on a, genuinely, on a regular basis."[115]

Mike HuckabeeOn February 28, 2011, on Steve Malzberg's radio program Mike Huckabee, a 2008 candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, "said that he would 'love to know more' about where President Obama was born and claimed — falsely — that Mr. Obama was raised in Kenya."[118] He continued: "[Obama] probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather."[118]