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Post by happyhoix on Apr 4, 2018 7:52:52 GMT -5
Boats. Airplanes.
The Maginot line.
We need good border security, but wasting a shit ton of money on a medieval fortification is laughable.
What we are doing now is working? Need a ton of cocaine, no problem! Need a million illegal workers, no problem! Did I say what we did now is working?
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 4, 2018 7:54:36 GMT -5
What we are doing now is working? Need a ton of cocaine, no problem! Need a million illegal workers, no problem! Did I say what we did now is working? No, but you are against any thing that the right proposes.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 4, 2018 8:04:08 GMT -5
happyhoix, then I sit here thinking,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Hmmmmmm, I am against just about everything the Left proposes. That's cause my side is right feel free to
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 4, 2018 8:06:43 GMT -5
Did I say what we did now is working? No, but you are against any thing that the right proposes. That's a pretty broad blanket statement you made there.
I'm not a knee jerk liberal. I'm a fiscal conservative, social liberal and there are plenty of ways I line up more on the GOP side of things than the left. For instance, I hated this last budget that Trump signed off on, because it was enormous and wasteful and will burden our grandkids for generations. Didn't hear many righties on here oppose it, though, because Trump signed it, so it has to be good, right?
I think the wall is a stupid idea because it will cost a crazy amount of money for an antique method of containment. I included the Maginot Line in my previous comment for a reason. Do you know what that was, and how spectacularly it failed? Everyone still laughs at the French for that little faux pas.
There are cheaper ways to improve border security without a ridiculously expensive wall. Heat seeking unmanned drones with night vision cameras flying along the border could quickly find humans attempting to cross, so that a beefed up border patrol could pinpoint their locations and pick them up - but Trump didn't campaign on technological advances in border security. He got his minions to chant 'build the wall' - and that's still what he periodically gets them to chant, when their interest in him starts lagging.
He's a puppet master jerking on the strings, and his base reliably responds. It's almost as good as 'lock her up!'
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 4, 2018 8:15:25 GMT -5
I am not sure why people think that the military will be an effective border patrol force.
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Post by busymom on Apr 4, 2018 8:23:48 GMT -5
I think Trump dreams of having the type of fence that used to separate East & West Germany. And anyone attempting to cross would be immediately shot. You'll notice the residents of Germany eventually tore it down...
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 4, 2018 8:27:27 GMT -5
I think Trump dreams of having the type of fence that used to separate East & West Germany. And anyone attempting to cross would be immediately shot. You'll notice the residents of Germany eventually tore it down... Which will probably happen too if the dreamed of wall is built. Plenty of new presidential orders to be signed after trump exits office.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 4, 2018 8:37:49 GMT -5
So is the military going to stop the caravans coming for certain companies that like to regularly hire illegal immigrants? Or will they be looking the other way on that like they do now because palms have been greased in Washington?
I want a solution to illegal immigration, but I want one that takes on the major source of it, the employers. And that goes for ALL illegal aliens. We have a large Hmong and Phillipino illegal population here that is brought over by Chinese smugglers. How does the military surrounding the southern boarder fix our problem?
If there are no companies willing to bus them over here and fake paperwork there is no incentive to come over. You're not going to see that happen though because we all know who really controls Washington. Putting the military at the boarder is security theater and nothing more.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 4, 2018 8:40:31 GMT -5
Maybe the military can help farmers harvest their field crops.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 4, 2018 8:45:23 GMT -5
They could help out in chicken processing plants as well.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 4, 2018 8:45:31 GMT -5
I am not sure why people think that the military will be an effective border patrol force. Why not bills, No mans land, any one is fair game. target practice. unauthorized airplane, shoot it down, boat in the wrong place wrong time. blow it out of the water, If some one is caught illegally in this country, return them to their country, Let them out at five thousand foot, without a parachute! See, border security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dezii on Apr 4, 2018 8:47:47 GMT -5
It only makes sense to guard a country's border with the military. Not really...Military is trained to close with enemy , stop advances and to Kill the enemy...not to act as police...Congress realized that back in late 19th century and passed laws not allowing military to operate in States nas a military force...see above link and read for explanation...Thats why we have border patrol officers...different powers, training and also laws that allow some caught entering illegally and found the right to have legal representation before deportation... Our Donald does not like these rules or laws but since when do we expect him to care about laws and the judiciary...unless rulings in his favor, man just disses and insults the whole judiciary departments...from local to the highest...
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 4, 2018 8:48:44 GMT -5
I am not sure why people think that the military will be an effective border patrol force. Why not bills, No mans land, any one is fair game. target practice. unauthorized airplane, shoot it down, boat in the wrong place wrong time. blow it out of the water, If some one is caught illegally in this country, return them to their country, Let them out at five thousand foot, without a parachute! See, border security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that is the plan, then I am sure they will do well. Do you think that is the plan?
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 4, 2018 8:50:40 GMT -5
North Korea dosen't seem to have a border problem I mean like people trying to break in,
That is protected by the military.
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Post by dezii on Apr 4, 2018 8:50:40 GMT -5
I think Trump dreams of having the type of fence that used to separate East & West Germany. And anyone attempting to cross would be immediately shot. You'll notice the residents of Germany eventually tore it down... Land mines would also work...
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 4, 2018 8:53:10 GMT -5
I am not sure why people think that the military will be an effective border patrol force. Why not bills, No mans land, any one is fair game. target practice. unauthorized airplane, shoot it down, boat in the wrong place wrong time. blow it out of the water, If some one is caught illegally in this country, return them to their country, Let them out at five thousand foot, without a parachute! See, border security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Advocating violence. Nice.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Apr 4, 2018 9:08:57 GMT -5
North Korea dosen't seem to have a border problem I mean like people trying to break in, That is protected by the military. NK's border security is NOT designed to keep people from GETTING IN to NK, it is designed to keep people from GETTING OUT.
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Post by dezii on Apr 4, 2018 9:13:46 GMT -5
Why is it that none of you want border security? Not so and u know it...At a cost of $20 to $25 Billion...supposedly correct #'s according to those in the know...just too expensive.....for the effectiveness. Fact is, it seems that illegals entering the country is down by over 50% because of the Donalds strong language and giving the green light to pick up and deport illegals already here...and most here have no problem with $ being spent on more guards...other more modern ways to observe and find illegals but to spend obnoxious figures for a wall that so many people in the know say is archaic and not needed...yes many against. We are so in debt now...and to add more unnecessary and I am still p off at his trips to Florida every two weeks at a cost of over $3 million each...over 100 trips so far...this waste doesn't worry u?...Same with his parade..cost seems to be $20 million. Granted small cost considering our budget but still..I suggest Vets could use these $ as small as they may be. If u agree then say so...just because he's your guru..to rubber stamp all he does ..fine..but understand why I and others then tune u out.. While not accusing u in particular, but just because the Donald says it's so does not make it so, and just because he says it's needed also does not mean it it's needed. Possible if we heard more of those who lean right criticize the man ...and the list of honest criticism and disagreement with him and his tweets and thoughts is so long it is impossible to see the end..then possible we who lean left just might start listening to the right leaners and have a real dialogue.. As I type this, the Stock Market is still tanking as China is putting more tariffs on $50 Billion of USA products.... Perfect example of our Donalds wrong decisions..his dissing and public downing of other countries...not saying he doesn't have a point but better to quietly negotiate, not embarrass these other countries and their leaders... He may have been successful at times in private practice [ with all the bankruptcies one wonders about how successful he was] but now he is dealing with leaders and politicians who have their own constituents to answer too...thus can't brow beat them into submission...man really isn't that smart..
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Post by retread on Apr 4, 2018 9:21:12 GMT -5
I think Trump dreams of having the type of fence that used to separate East & West Germany. And anyone attempting to cross would be immediately shot. You'll notice the residents of Germany eventually tore it down... If President Trump does manage to build his wall, perhaps someday the residents of North & South Mexico will tear it down. >.<
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Post by NastyWoman on Apr 4, 2018 10:06:33 GMT -5
happyhoix, then I sit here thinking,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Hmmmmmm, I am against just about everything the Left proposes. That's cause my side is right feel free to Hey I came up with a way to build your ruddy wall. Now you come up with a way to protect that wall once it is completed. You do have to account for the fact that people will be able to get over/under walls and the thing is the length of the entire southern border. Ready? Go---- ETA: since the wall will be so long chances are people will find a way to come through it. I really suck at being a desparate person considering the fact that I forgot one of the most logical methods to get through a wall. Think it is not? Than you must believe prisoners never escape from prison either. And that happens in small controlled situations
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 4, 2018 10:08:55 GMT -5
I am not sure why people think that the military will be an effective border patrol force. Why not bills, No mans land, any one is fair game. target practice. unauthorized airplane, shoot it down, boat in the wrong place wrong time. blow it out of the water, If some one is caught illegally in this country, return them to their country, Let them out at five thousand foot, without a parachute! See, border security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You realize there are a lot of private ranch lands abutting the border, right? And plenty of sport fishermen or recreational boaters who might be out for a jaunt on the ocean?
How popular will your 'shoot first ask questions later' border patrol be among the red states when the first ranch employee gets shot or fishing boat sunk? Think they'll shrug it off and say the guy must have been doing something wrong, or in the wrong place, like they do with black guys get killed by the cops? Or will they think the collateral damage is ok as long as most of the people getting killed are the brown people trying to get into the country?
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 4, 2018 10:13:32 GMT -5
Why not bills, No mans land, any one is fair game. target practice. unauthorized airplane, shoot it down, boat in the wrong place wrong time. blow it out of the water, If some one is caught illegally in this country, return them to their country, Let them out at five thousand foot, without a parachute! See, border security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You realize there are a lot of private ranch lands abutting the border, right? And plenty of sport fishermen or recreational boaters who might be out for a jaunt on the ocean?
How popular will your 'shoot first ask questions later' border patrol be among the red states when the first ranch employee gets shot or fishing boat sunk? Think they'll shrug it off and say the guy must have been doing something wrong, or in the wrong place, like they do with black guys get killed by the cops? Or will they think the collateral damage is ok as long as most of the people getting killed are the brown people trying to get into the country?
They will say the shot ranch employee sacrificed his life to protect the 2nd Amendment.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 4, 2018 10:14:59 GMT -5
North Korea dosen't seem to have a border problem I mean like people trying to break in, That is protected by the military. Which works well for a society like North Korea. Not sure that is the best example to bring up unless you are suggesting our society becomes more like theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 10:20:03 GMT -5
If you want a 100% secure border, you put up drones and shoot to kill. Otherwise, it's all a big waste of money and unneeded risk for our military and border control personnel.
Don't want to shoot people, then putting the military there has what function exactly?
It will be interesting to see how they spin this when our crops rot in the fields and no one will process chickens or cattle anymore.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 4, 2018 11:43:12 GMT -5
North Korea dosen't seem to have a border problem I mean like people trying to break in, That is protected by the military. You've got to be kidding! Nobody wants to break INTO NK. Many of those already in would love to be able to get out!
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 4, 2018 12:54:15 GMT -5
North Korea dosen't seem to have a border problem I mean like people trying to break in, That is protected by the military. North and South Korea are still at war. the US and Spain are not.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 4, 2018 12:56:41 GMT -5
It only makes sense to guard a country's border with the military. no, it doesn't. soldiers are not trained to provide security. they are trained to kill and to advance the cause of a nation. it is completely different training. if you don't agree, i couldn't care less, because i have read expert opinion that argues this for DECADES.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 4, 2018 12:57:50 GMT -5
Yes for countries that don't already have a border patrol.
Which we have.
This is just a cheap effort on Trump's part to pander to his voters and to make Anne Coulter happy. Apparently, it's successful.
We have ineffective border patrol and a Congress who is not willing to fund better border patrol or the wall. They are breaking the law. I support this. you support breaking the law? huh.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 4, 2018 12:58:47 GMT -5
Boats. Airplanes.
The Maginot line.
We need good border security, but wasting a shit ton of money on a medieval fortification is laughable.
What we are doing now is working? Need a ton of cocaine, no problem! Need a million illegal workers, no problem! net migration in the last decade is ZERO. i would call that "working". want to stop the cocaine problem? legalize drugs.
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Post by retread on Apr 4, 2018 13:13:52 GMT -5
North and South Korea are still at war. the US and Spain are not. You misspelled England and Spain.
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