Phoenix84
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Post by Phoenix84 on Sept 28, 2017 14:42:00 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2017/09/27/politics/michelle-obama-women-voters
"In candid remarks Wednesday, former first lady Michelle Obama said women who voted for Republican nominee Donald Trump over Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton went against their "authentic voice" in the 2016 presidential election.
"Any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against her own voice. She said at the Inbound 2017 conference in Boston, according to video from inside the event.
"What does it mean for us women that we look at those two candidates, as women, and many of us said, that guy, he's better for me, his voice is more true to me." Obama said. "Well, to me that just says you don't like your voice. You don't like the thing you're told to like."
Can you imagine the shit storm that would be playing in the media right now, and on these message boards, if a white, male, republican had lectured women over voting for someone? Or, God forbid, if Trump had lectured women about voting for Hillary?
But I've not heard a peep from anyone about this.
Why do people think it's okay for Michelle Obama to lecture women like this? Maybe I don't understand feminism, but I thought the whole point was to empower women to make their own choices. But Michelle Obama is basically wagging her finger and lecturing women who didn't agree with her and it's just no big deal?
I would just as soon let women make up their own minds about who's the right person to vote for, about who represents them best, but apparently Michelle disagrees.
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Post by swamp on Sept 28, 2017 14:46:02 GMT -5
Yeah, i don't like the "vote for a woman because you're a woman"
I voted for Hillary because Trump is, well, Trump. No need to go into that.
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Post by sesfw on Sept 28, 2017 14:50:04 GMT -5
I voted for Trump to keep Hillary away from the Supreme Court
I'm hoping both parties have good candidates in 2020 ............ or at least one.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Sept 28, 2017 15:16:27 GMT -5
Yeah, i don't like the "vote for a woman because you're a woman" I voted for Hillary because Trump is, well, Trump. No need to go into that. But did she say, "vote for a woman because you're a woman", or did she say, "vote for a woman because Trump is terrible for women"? (I'm really asking this--because I'm too lazy to see if there was more to what she said in the link.)
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Post by swamp on Sept 28, 2017 15:18:13 GMT -5
Yeah, i don't like the "vote for a woman because you're a woman" I voted for Hillary because Trump is, well, Trump. No need to go into that. But did she say, "vote for a woman because you're a woman", or did she say, "vote for a woman because Trump is terrible for women"? (I'm really asking this--because I'm too lazy to see if there was more to what she said in the link.) I think she said both. I'm on board with the part about he's terrible to women.
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Post by imawino on Sept 28, 2017 15:31:06 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2017/09/27/politics/michelle-obama-women-voters
"In candid remarks Wednesday, former first lady Michelle Obama said women who voted for Republican nominee Donald Trump over Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton went against their "authentic voice" in the 2016 presidential election.
"Any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against her own voice. She said at the Inbound 2017 conference in Boston, according to video from inside the event.
"What does it mean for us women that we look at those two candidates, as women, and many of us said, that guy, he's better for me, his voice is more true to me." Obama said. "Well, to me that just says you don't like your voice. You don't like the thing you're told to like."
Can you imagine the shit storm that would be playing in the media right now, and on these message boards, if a white, male, republican had lectured women over voting for someone? Or, God forbid, if Trump had lectured women about voting for Hillary?
But I've not heard a peep from anyone about this.
Why do people think it's okay for Michelle Obama to lecture women like this? Maybe I don't understand feminism, but I thought the whole point was to empower women to make their own choices. But Michelle Obama is basically wagging her finger and lecturing women who didn't agree with her and it's just no big deal?
I would just as soon let women make up their own minds about who's the right person to vote for, about who represents them best, but apparently Michelle disagrees. To put the comment in a little more context regarding why she was talking about women and their voice, the remarks you quoted above followed this:
Obama took a moment to encourage women to make their voices heard.
“We think 12 times before we open our mouths—‘Well maybe I’m wrong’” she began. “We argue with ourselves in our head and we think that ‘Before I speak up, it has to be perfect,’ while the guy is like blah blah blah … Not thinking about perfect, right, or anything—he’s just like ‘I’m used to hearing my voice.’ That’s what happens to a lot of people. And if you’ve been socialized to think your voice doesn’t matter—and it’s done in very subtle ways: maybe it happened at your dinner table with the father you adored who would talk right over you, or the brothers who just took up too much space and you learned to be quiet, or the mother who told you that being ladylike meant that you watched your words and you didn’t interrupt … There’s so much that goes on that shushes us.”
Do I believe that ALL women who voted fro Trump did so because they had been raised to think that women should be ladylike and demure, and that as such Clinton did not sit well with them? Of course not. Do I think that is true for some women (and men)? Yes, I do. Is there really anyone here who doesn't acknowledge that an outspoken woman is perceived differently, and much less favorably, than an outspoken man?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 28, 2017 15:31:48 GMT -5
I was surprised women voted for Trump after he reminded us during the campaign how he treats women. Going back to the 60's avoiding the draft and not getting a STD to trying to get a married woman into bed while he was also married to getting his next wife pregnant while he was still married..... How the Evangelists supported such an immoral man also shocks me. He got a conservative into the Supreme Court so it's time to get rid of him before he does anymore damage to our reputation as a nation.
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Post by swamp on Sept 28, 2017 15:38:35 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2017/09/27/politics/michelle-obama-women-voters
"In candid remarks Wednesday, former first lady Michelle Obama said women who voted for Republican nominee Donald Trump over Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton went against their "authentic voice" in the 2016 presidential election.
"Any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against her own voice. She said at the Inbound 2017 conference in Boston, according to video from inside the event.
"What does it mean for us women that we look at those two candidates, as women, and many of us said, that guy, he's better for me, his voice is more true to me." Obama said. "Well, to me that just says you don't like your voice. You don't like the thing you're told to like."
Can you imagine the shit storm that would be playing in the media right now, and on these message boards, if a white, male, republican had lectured women over voting for someone? Or, God forbid, if Trump had lectured women about voting for Hillary?
But I've not heard a peep from anyone about this.
Why do people think it's okay for Michelle Obama to lecture women like this? Maybe I don't understand feminism, but I thought the whole point was to empower women to make their own choices. But Michelle Obama is basically wagging her finger and lecturing women who didn't agree with her and it's just no big deal?
I would just as soon let women make up their own minds about who's the right person to vote for, about who represents them best, but apparently Michelle disagrees. To put the comment in a little more context regarding why she was talking about women and their voice, the remarks you quoted above followed this:
Obama took a moment to encourage women to make their voices heard.
“We think 12 times before we open our mouths—‘Well maybe I’m wrong’” she began. “We argue with ourselves in our head and we think that ‘Before I speak up, it has to be perfect,’ while the guy is like blah blah blah … Not thinking about perfect, right, or anything—he’s just like ‘I’m used to hearing my voice.’ That’s what happens to a lot of people. And if you’ve been socialized to think your voice doesn’t matter—and it’s done in very subtle ways: maybe it happened at your dinner table with the father you adored who would talk right over you, or the brothers who just took up too much space and you learned to be quiet, or the mother who told you that being ladylike meant that you watched your words and you didn’t interrupt … There’s so much that goes on that shushes us.”
Do I believe that ALL women who voted fro Trump did so because they had been raised to think that women should be ladylike and demure, and that as such Clinton did not sit well with them? Of course not. Do I think that is true for some women (and men)? Yes, I do. Is there really anyone here who doesn't acknowledge that an outspoken woman is perceived differently, and much less favorably, than an outspoken man?
I can tell you I've been called difficult and a bitch for standing up for myself or my clients.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 28, 2017 15:40:03 GMT -5
Oh kiss off lady, you don't speak for me. Geez.
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Post by imawino on Sept 28, 2017 15:43:49 GMT -5
Oh kiss off lady, you don't speak for me. Geez. Are you under the impression she is reading your posts here? I hate to disappoint you, but I suspect that's not the case.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 28, 2017 15:46:29 GMT -5
Oh kiss off lady, you don't speak for me. Geez. Now now calm down. I doubt she was speaking for you.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 28, 2017 15:49:50 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2017/09/27/politics/michelle-obama-women-voters
"In candid remarks Wednesday, former first lady Michelle Obama said women who voted for Republican nominee Donald Trump over Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton went against their "authentic voice" in the 2016 presidential election.
"Any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against her own voice. She said at the Inbound 2017 conference in Boston, according to video from inside the event.
"What does it mean for us women that we look at those two candidates, as women, and many of us said, that guy, he's better for me, his voice is more true to me." Obama said. "Well, to me that just says you don't like your voice. You don't like the thing you're told to like."
Can you imagine the shit storm that would be playing in the media right now, and on these message boards, if a white, male, republican had lectured women over voting for someone? Or, God forbid, if Trump had lectured women about voting for Hillary?
But I've not heard a peep from anyone about this.
Why do people think it's okay for Michelle Obama to lecture women like this? Maybe I don't understand feminism, but I thought the whole point was to empower women to make their own choices. But Michelle Obama is basically wagging her finger and lecturing women who didn't agree with her and it's just no big deal?
I would just as soon let women make up their own minds about who's the right person to vote for, about who represents them best, but apparently Michelle disagrees. I didn't consider that a 'lecture.'
She was pointing out all the ways that Hilary, in her mind, had a more women-friendly and more mother-friendly platform.
Besides, she's the wife of a former POTUS, which means she can publically express her opinion but is not obligated to conform to any standard of decorum, since her husband is no longer POTUS. She's in the same category as Sarah Palin, Cher, Rosie O'Donald and Jennifer Lawrence - a celebrity with an opinion.
And actually I do remember male white Republicans lecturing women about how they needed to vote for the McCain/Palin ticket, because the VP didn't have a penis, so all women were somehow obligated to vote for her. That wasn't true then, and wasn't true in the Hillary/Trump election.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Sept 28, 2017 15:53:47 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2017/09/27/politics/michelle-obama-women-voters
"In candid remarks Wednesday, former first lady Michelle Obama said women who voted for Republican nominee Donald Trump over Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton went against their "authentic voice" in the 2016 presidential election.
"Any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against her own voice. She said at the Inbound 2017 conference in Boston, according to video from inside the event.
"What does it mean for us women that we look at those two candidates, as women, and many of us said, that guy, he's better for me, his voice is more true to me." Obama said. "Well, to me that just says you don't like your voice. You don't like the thing you're told to like."
Can you imagine the shit storm that would be playing in the media right now, and on these message boards, if a white, male, republican had lectured women over voting for someone? Or, God forbid, if Trump had lectured women about voting for Hillary?
But I've not heard a peep from anyone about this.
Why do people think it's okay for Michelle Obama to lecture women like this? Maybe I don't understand feminism, but I thought the whole point was to empower women to make their own choices. But Michelle Obama is basically wagging her finger and lecturing women who didn't agree with her and it's just no big deal?
I would just as soon let women make up their own minds about who's the right person to vote for, about who represents them best, but apparently Michelle disagrees. To put the comment in a little more context regarding why she was talking about women and their voice, the remarks you quoted above followed this:
Obama took a moment to encourage women to make their voices heard.
“We think 12 times before we open our mouths—‘Well maybe I’m wrong’” she began. “We argue with ourselves in our head and we think that ‘Before I speak up, it has to be perfect,’ while the guy is like blah blah blah … Not thinking about perfect, right, or anything—he’s just like ‘I’m used to hearing my voice.’ That’s what happens to a lot of people. And if you’ve been socialized to think your voice doesn’t matter—and it’s done in very subtle ways: maybe it happened at your dinner table with the father you adored who would talk right over you, or the brothers who just took up too much space and you learned to be quiet, or the mother who told you that being ladylike meant that you watched your words and you didn’t interrupt … There’s so much that goes on that shushes us.”
Do I believe that ALL women who voted fro Trump did so because they had been raised to think that women should be ladylike and demure, and that as such Clinton did not sit well with them? Of course not. Do I think that is true for some women (and men)? Yes, I do. Is there really anyone here who doesn't acknowledge that an outspoken woman is perceived differently, and much less favorably, than an outspoken man?
I appreciate you taking the time to provide additional context, but the substance of the comments is still the same. If you don't vote the way we think you should you're voting against your own self interest. Or you aren't voting the way you should be voting because your dad talked over you as a girl, not because you legitimately didn't like Hillary or liked Trump or his policies. Either way, it's extremely patronizing, and I'm surprised you don't see it as such.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 28, 2017 16:00:41 GMT -5
I am a female . I voted for Trump because I want a man who isn't a shriveling wussy and who will actually deal with issues rather than pretend and hide from them. Thanks sooo much Michelle! Sorry your husband was unable to fill that bill!
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Post by swamp on Sept 28, 2017 16:03:22 GMT -5
sending out taunting tweets is the perfect way to deal with complex foreign policy issues!!!
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Post by dondub on Sept 28, 2017 16:05:12 GMT -5
According to you. But he wasn't elected twice by rightwing fringe extremists was he.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 28, 2017 16:05:24 GMT -5
# save our girls! OOH OOH!
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Post by dondub on Sept 28, 2017 16:06:29 GMT -5
And Trump clearly sent messages to women voters when he called her "crooked Hillary" and has his dupes screaming 'lock her up...lock her up'.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 28, 2017 16:06:55 GMT -5
I am a female . I voted for Trump because I want a man who isn't a shriveling wussy and who will actually deal with issues rather than pretend and hide from them. Thanks sooo much Michelle! Sorry your husband was unable to fill that bill!
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Post by imawino on Sept 28, 2017 16:07:42 GMT -5
To put the comment in a little more context regarding why she was talking about women and their voice, the remarks you quoted above followed this:
Obama took a moment to encourage women to make their voices heard.
“We think 12 times before we open our mouths—‘Well maybe I’m wrong’” she began. “We argue with ourselves in our head and we think that ‘Before I speak up, it has to be perfect,’ while the guy is like blah blah blah … Not thinking about perfect, right, or anything—he’s just like ‘I’m used to hearing my voice.’ That’s what happens to a lot of people. And if you’ve been socialized to think your voice doesn’t matter—and it’s done in very subtle ways: maybe it happened at your dinner table with the father you adored who would talk right over you, or the brothers who just took up too much space and you learned to be quiet, or the mother who told you that being ladylike meant that you watched your words and you didn’t interrupt … There’s so much that goes on that shushes us.”
Do I believe that ALL women who voted fro Trump did so because they had been raised to think that women should be ladylike and demure, and that as such Clinton did not sit well with them? Of course not. Do I think that is true for some women (and men)? Yes, I do. Is there really anyone here who doesn't acknowledge that an outspoken woman is perceived differently, and much less favorably, than an outspoken man?
I appreciate you taking the time to provide additional context, but the substance of the comments is still the same. If you don't vote the way we think you should you're voting against your own self interest. Or you aren't voting the way you should be voting because your dad talked over you as a girl, not because you legitimately didn't like Hillary or liked Trump or his policies. Either way, it's extremely patronizing, and I'm surprised you don't see it as such. I did not take it as patronizing. I also think you're incorrect that she was telling women who they should have voted for. She states that she thinks women voted against their own voice - you characterize that as finger-wagging, lecturing and telling women what they should do. I'm not reading any of that into it. People have expressed surprise on these boards at poor people voting against their self interest and no one goes on a tirade saying that no one should express an opinion about what poor people should do, or rich people should do, or whatever.
I do not agree that women should vote for a women because she's a woman. Everyone should vote their conscience. But I take issue with people voting against a woman simply because she's a woman. And I have confidence that at least some of the votes cast against her were because she was an outspoken woman, and to many people that is just not tolerated.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 28, 2017 16:08:32 GMT -5
Obama was leading from his behind. The whole world knew that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 28, 2017 16:08:38 GMT -5
I am a female . I voted for Trump because I want a man who isn't a shriveling wussy and who will actually deal with issues rather than pretend and hide from them. Thanks sooo much Michelle! Sorry your husband was unable to fill that bill! Not 'I voted for Trump because I wanted a president who isn't a shriveling wussy and who will actually deal with issues rather than pretend and hide from them'? Telling.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 28, 2017 16:09:45 GMT -5
Obama was leading from his behind. The whole world knew that. And as usual, your talking out of yours.
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Post by imawino on Sept 28, 2017 16:09:46 GMT -5
I am a female . I voted for Trump because I want a man who isn't a shriveling wussy and who will actually deal with issues rather than pretend and hide from them. Thanks sooo much Michelle! Sorry your husband was unable to fill that bill! Trump was not running against Barack Obama. I know it's a little late for that update to matter, but I'll just throw it out there anyway and see if it sticks.
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Post by dondub on Sept 28, 2017 16:12:10 GMT -5
Obama was leading from his behind. The whole world knew that.
As I recall, your Repos, from the get go, were determined to block Obama on everything they could. Mitchie was determined to keep him to 1 term.
When leadership initiatives are blocked by the other side, what does a fringe rightwing extremist call that?
In the meantime, please provide ANY proof of your assertion. (Although I know you won't)
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Post by swamp on Sept 28, 2017 16:12:52 GMT -5
As I recall, your Repos, from the get go, were determined to block Obama on everything they could. Mitchie was determined to keep him to 1 term.
When leadership initiatives are blocked by the other side, what does a fringe rightwing extremist call that? 'Murica!!!
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Post by imawino on Sept 28, 2017 16:14:21 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2017/09/27/politics/michelle-obama-women-voters
"In candid remarks Wednesday, former first lady Michelle Obama said women who voted for Republican nominee Donald Trump over Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton went against their "authentic voice" in the 2016 presidential election.
"Any woman who voted against Hillary Clinton voted against her own voice. She said at the Inbound 2017 conference in Boston, according to video from inside the event.
"What does it mean for us women that we look at those two candidates, as women, and many of us said, that guy, he's better for me, his voice is more true to me." Obama said. "Well, to me that just says you don't like your voice. You don't like the thing you're told to like."
Can you imagine the shit storm that would be playing in the media right now, and on these message boards, if a white, male, republican had lectured women over voting for someone? Or, God forbid, if Trump had lectured women about voting for Hillary?
But I've not heard a peep from anyone about this.
Why do people think it's okay for Michelle Obama to lecture women like this? Maybe I don't understand feminism, but I thought the whole point was to empower women to make their own choices. But Michelle Obama is basically wagging her finger and lecturing women who didn't agree with her and it's just no big deal?
I would just as soon let women make up their own minds about who's the right person to vote for, about who represents them best, but apparently Michelle disagrees. I didn't consider that a 'lecture.'
She was pointing out all the ways that Hilary, in her mind, had a more women-friendly and more mother-friendly platform.
Besides, she's the wife of a former POTUS, which means she can publically express her opinion but is not obligated to conform to any standard of decorum, since her husband is no longer POTUS. She's in the same category as Sarah Palin, Cher, Rosie O'Donald and Jennifer Lawrence - a celebrity with an opinion.
And actually I do remember male white Republicans lecturing women about how they needed to vote for the McCain/Palin ticket, because the VP didn't have a penis, so all women were somehow obligated to vote for her. That wasn't true then, and wasn't true in the Hillary/Trump election.
A black woman who expresses an opinion is immediately characterized as not only lecturing, but "finger-wagging".
Maybe if she tweeted it, it would have seemed more demure? I can see it now.
Women who voted for Trump sad!! Yuge disappointment. Disrespectful. Fire them all!
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Post by Shooby on Sept 28, 2017 16:14:29 GMT -5
Those snakes can't even leave Washington. Must have our ugly mugs in the spotlight at all times! OOOOH!
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Post by dondub on Sept 28, 2017 16:15:32 GMT -5
They didn't want you whining that they pulled their kids from their schools.
And "snakes" and "ugly mugs"...at least you didn't do what so many of your ilk did and refer to them as apes and gorillas. Y'all is so civilized!
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Post by Lizard Queen on Sept 28, 2017 16:28:21 GMT -5
To put the comment in a little more context regarding why she was talking about women and their voice, the remarks you quoted above followed this:
Obama took a moment to encourage women to make their voices heard.
“We think 12 times before we open our mouths—‘Well maybe I’m wrong’” she began. “We argue with ourselves in our head and we think that ‘Before I speak up, it has to be perfect,’ while the guy is like blah blah blah … Not thinking about perfect, right, or anything—he’s just like ‘I’m used to hearing my voice.’ That’s what happens to a lot of people. And if you’ve been socialized to think your voice doesn’t matter—and it’s done in very subtle ways: maybe it happened at your dinner table with the father you adored who would talk right over you, or the brothers who just took up too much space and you learned to be quiet, or the mother who told you that being ladylike meant that you watched your words and you didn’t interrupt … There’s so much that goes on that shushes us.”
Do I believe that ALL women who voted fro Trump did so because they had been raised to think that women should be ladylike and demure, and that as such Clinton did not sit well with them? Of course not. Do I think that is true for some women (and men)? Yes, I do. Is there really anyone here who doesn't acknowledge that an outspoken woman is perceived differently, and much less favorably, than an outspoken man?
I appreciate you taking the time to provide additional context, but the substance of the comments is still the same. If you don't vote the way we think you should you're voting against your own self interest. Or you aren't voting the way you should be voting because your dad talked over you as a girl, not because you legitimately didn't like Hillary or liked Trump or his policies. Either way, it's extremely patronizing, and I'm surprised you don't see it as such. She should have just said that it's not in women's best interest to vote for a pu$$y-grabber if they want to be treated with respect.
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