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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 7, 2017 9:54:08 GMT -5
do you know who wrote it? or what church she attends? someone should organize a new mom breast feeding group to sit in on their services and feed the wholetime.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 7, 2017 9:56:34 GMT -5
Sounds like my MIL. I told her if God created me then he created my ability to breastfeed so I'm pretty sure he won't care if I BF in church.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 9:56:40 GMT -5
I think she needs to recheck the definition of pornography.
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Post by swamp on Sept 7, 2017 9:56:46 GMT -5
No, but some people are trying to find out and will do exactly that.
From her comments about the Eucharest, i would guess it's catholic, and i can narrow it down to 2 from there.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 7, 2017 9:59:09 GMT -5
The biddy answered her own rant: "What you do with your children may not be what another parent does with theirs."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 9:59:10 GMT -5
My DIL, a very conservative evangelical Christian, put a giant nursing "tent" over her torso and breast-fed my baby granddaughter in my flaming liberal Episcopal church. Right in the middle of the Gospel. I was a bit stunned- we do have a glassed-in "cry room" at the back- but then I thought "why not?" Their own church is very baby-friendly. (Families tend to have 3 or 4 kids before calling it quits.). I decided she had the right idea. No repurcussions at all.
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Post by swamp on Sept 7, 2017 10:03:11 GMT -5
The biddy answered her own rant: "What you do with your children may not be what another parent does with theirs." I don't think this lady is breastfeeding other kids.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2017 10:03:24 GMT -5
Sounds like my MIL. I told her if God created me then he created my ability to breastfeed so I'm pretty sure he won't care if I BF in church. Probably some faulty logic there. That's like saying you should be ok with people having sex in church, because God created the ability for them to do that. Or they should just walk up to the front and take a big on the carpet, because God created their ability to poop. Having the ability to do something doesn't mean it's appropriate to do anywhere and everywhere.
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Post by swamp on Sept 7, 2017 10:04:55 GMT -5
Sounds like my MIL. I told her if God created me then he created my ability to breastfeed so I'm pretty sure he won't care if I BF in church. Probably some faulty logic there. That's like saying you should be ok with people having sex in church, because God created the ability for them to do that. Or they should just walk up to the front and take a big on the carpet, because God created their ability to poop. Having the ability to do something doesn't mean it's appropriate to do anywhere and everywhere. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that feeding your baby is OK to do just about anywhere.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 7, 2017 10:08:13 GMT -5
The biddy answered her own rant: "What you do with your children may not be what another parent does with theirs." I don't think this lady is breastfeeding other kids. Of course not. It reads though like the biddy was speaking in general terms. 'She' might not do it but others might. In the end, the woman simply does not need to look at the other woman.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2017 10:10:12 GMT -5
Probably some faulty logic there. That's like saying you should be ok with people having sex in church, because God created the ability for them to do that. Or they should just walk up to the front and take a big on the carpet, because God created their ability to poop. Having the ability to do something doesn't mean it's appropriate to do anywhere and everywhere. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that feeding your baby is OK to do just about anywhere. That's a completely different argument than the logic of "God gave my body the ability to do it, so it's ok to do it in church".
People can come to the right end-conclusion while still using faulty logic to get there. That doesn't mean the conclusion is wrong. The argument for why can be wrong even when a conclusion is right.
Also, feeding your baby is not the issue. It's apparently the method of feeding the baby, and what body parts you're going to expose while doing so. Whether I think that's ok or not is directly related to the quality of the exposed body part.
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Post by milee on Sept 7, 2017 10:20:21 GMT -5
My DIL, a very conservative evangelical Christian, put a giant nursing "tent" over her torso and breast-fed my baby granddaughter in my flaming liberal Episcopal church. Right in the middle of the Gospel. I was a bit stunned- we do have a glassed-in "cry room" at the back- but then I thought "why not?" Their own church is very baby-friendly. (Families tend to have 3 or 4 kids before calling it quits.). I decided she had the right idea. No repurcussions at all. When I was pregnant with my second son, I was elected to the church council (equivalent to the board in that particular church denomination.) When DS2 was born, I was still active in church, so would just drape a blanket over my shoulder and nurse during whatever was going on, whether it was a service or a council meeting. Since they asked me to serve and elected me while I was 8 months pregnant, I figured they'd realize that for me to stay involved after actually having the baby, most of the time I'd have said baby with me... Pretty sure I was discreet enough not to flash anybody. In fact, it was obvious a lot of the time people didn't even realize what what going on. More than one person came up to talk to me mid-feeding and were surprised when after a while DS made a noise and they suddenly realized I had a baby under there.
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Post by busymom on Sept 7, 2017 10:22:33 GMT -5
I support breastfeeding, but how you do it, IMHO, is important. A number of years back, I was visiting the church I grew up at, and a very well endowed woman just whipped out her very large breast in the middle of church, & started nursing her child. Now, if she'd attempted to cover her breast I would have no problem, but she just "let it all hang out", and judging by the number of men staring, I doubt they were focused on the sermon, if you get my drift.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 7, 2017 10:28:49 GMT -5
I support breastfeeding, but how you do it, IMHO, is important. A number of years back, I was visiting the church I grew up at, and a very well endowed woman just whipped out her very large breast in the middle of church, & started nursing her child. Now, if she'd attempted to cover her breast I would have no problem, but she just "let it all hang out", and judging by the number of men staring, I doubt they were focused on the sermon, if you get my drift. On one hand, I think moms should try to be discreet when nursing. On the other hand, when you look the first time and see what the woman is doing, quit staring at her and focus on what's actually important.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 7, 2017 10:32:28 GMT -5
I support breastfeeding, but how you do it, IMHO, is important. A number of years back, I was visiting the church I grew up at, and a very well endowed woman just whipped out her very large breast in the middle of church, & started nursing her child. Now, if she'd attempted to cover her breast I would have no problem, but she just "let it all hang out", and judging by the number of men staring, I doubt they were focused on the sermon, if you get my drift. women are always trying to corrupt us. Started with Eve in all her naked glory.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2017 10:33:09 GMT -5
I support breastfeeding, but how you do it, IMHO, is important. A number of years back, I was visiting the church I grew up at, and a very well endowed woman just whipped out her very large breast in the middle of church, & started nursing her child. Now, if she'd attempted to cover her breast I would have no problem, but she just "let it all hang out", and judging by the number of men staring, I doubt they were focused on the sermon, if you get my drift. On one hand, I think moms should try to be discreet when nursing. On the other hand, when you look the first time and see what the woman is doing, quit staring at her and focus on what's actually important. What's more important than big boobies on display? Priorities!
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 7, 2017 10:36:42 GMT -5
I have a serious question here since I have no experience with breastfeeding. Wouldn't a mother want to have some breast milk in bottles available for use? Doesn't a mother wish for some help during the night with feedings from the father? And if the answer is "yes", wouldn't church be a good time to use them?
I have no issue with this. I think it's far less distracting than a screaming hungry baby. I'm just wondering about taking on the entire responsibility for feeding your child when he/she has two parents. Obviously, I understand not every family has two parents available. I just think I'd want some help with the middle-of-the-night stuff.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 7, 2017 10:41:56 GMT -5
I have a serious question here since I have no experience with breastfeeding. Wouldn't a mother want to have some breast milk in bottles available for use? Doesn't a mother wish for some help during the night with feedings from the father? And if the answer is "yes", wouldn't church be a good time to use them?
I have no issue with this. I think it's far less distracting than a screaming hungry baby. I'm just wondering about taking on the entire responsibility for feeding your child when he/she has two parents. Obviously, I understand not every family has two parents available. I just think I'd want some help with the middle-of-the-night stuff. Yes, some frozen breast milk or formula to be used in a bottle is very helpful to have around as needed. But the breast of a breastfeeding mother fills with milk and the milk needs to come out and fairly often, if not in church, then the park, or the store, or the restaurant, or the other public place, etc, etc, etc. And pumping milk to save for bottles is not the most pleasant thing to do so the more often a mother can feed directly, usually the better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 10:43:29 GMT -5
I have a serious question here since I have no experience with breastfeeding. Wouldn't a mother want to have some breast milk in bottles available for use? Doesn't a mother wish for some help during the night with feedings from the father? And if the answer is "yes", wouldn't church be a good time to use them?
I have no issue with this. I think it's far less distracting than a screaming hungry baby. I'm just wondering about taking on the entire responsibility for feeding your child when he/she has two parents. Obviously, I understand not every family has two parents available. I just think I'd want some help with the middle-of-the-night stuff. My first would never take a bottle, so it was all on me until he was about 6 months old or so when he started taking a sippy cup. We coslept that first 6 months, so night feedings weren't a big deal. With my second, he had to be trained to take a bottle so I could go back to work at three months, but the first two months he was breast only. Skipping nursing to give bottles never really helped me much because I still ended up pumping during that time to avoid getting engorged and reducing supply which I disliked a lot more than nursing.
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Post by milee on Sept 7, 2017 10:44:31 GMT -5
I have a serious question here since I have no experience with breastfeeding. Wouldn't a mother want to have some breast milk in bottles available for use? Doesn't a mother wish for some help during the night with feedings from the father? And if the answer is "yes", wouldn't church be a good time to use them?
Everybody's different. In my experience, for the first few months you're less likely to have much spare milk. The baby pretty much consumes what you're making and your production adjusts to what the baby consumes... very cool system. If you know you want to increase production so you'll be able to pump and have some spare milk, you'll need to wait until after the baby's done eating and then pump. For a while, you'll be going through all that hassle and discomfort for virtually nothing - say a couple of ounces - until your body responds and starts making more milk. So it's not as easy as just putting away some spare milk. Then when you do accumulate a small store of that liquid gold, you aren't going to carry it around with you unless you are totally sure you're going to use it since it can go bad. So no, I wouldn't be carrying around any bottles of breast milk during normal times - save those for one of the precious few times out without the baby. Similar issue with night feedings. As much as it sucks (pun intended) to be the one to get up for night feedings 100% of the time, it's just much easier to stick the kid on rather than increase supply, pump and hoard enough so DH could regularly do night feedings.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2017 10:45:13 GMT -5
I have a serious question here since I have no experience with breastfeeding. Wouldn't a mother want to have some breast milk in bottles available for use? Doesn't a mother wish for some help during the night with feedings from the father? And if the answer is "yes", wouldn't church be a good time to use them?
I have no issue with this. I think it's far less distracting than a screaming hungry baby. I'm just wondering about taking on the entire responsibility for feeding your child when he/she has two parents. Obviously, I understand not every family has two parents available. I just think I'd want some help with the middle-of-the-night stuff. Or if the mother works, or ever wants to actually go do ANYTHING without the baby attached to her.
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Post by justme on Sept 7, 2017 10:46:26 GMT -5
I have a serious question here since I have no experience with breastfeeding. Wouldn't a mother want to have some breast milk in bottles available for use? Doesn't a mother wish for some help during the night with feedings from the father? And if the answer is "yes", wouldn't church be a good time to use them?
I have no issue with this. I think it's far less distracting than a screaming hungry baby. I'm just wondering about taking on the entire responsibility for feeding your child when he/she has two parents. Obviously, I understand not every family has two parents available. I just think I'd want some help with the middle-of-the-night stuff. SAHM don't need to pump so they might not have. The pump doesn't work for some women. It's usually not as effective. Some babies don't like bottles or won't take them from mom. Traveling with breast milk would suck because first you have to keep it cold and then you have to warm it up. Plus I'd think a huge plus of breast feeding is so you don't have to cart around a bunch of stuff with you, just pop out a boob and there ya go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 10:49:51 GMT -5
I have a serious question here since I have no experience with breastfeeding. Wouldn't a mother want to have some breast milk in bottles available for use? Doesn't a mother wish for some help during the night with feedings from the father? And if the answer is "yes", wouldn't church be a good time to use them?
I have no issue with this. I think it's far less distracting than a screaming hungry baby. I'm just wondering about taking on the entire responsibility for feeding your child when he/she has two parents. Obviously, I understand not every family has two parents available. I just think I'd want some help with the middle-of-the-night stuff. Or if the mother works, or ever wants to actually go do ANYTHING without the baby attached to her. Yes, but when I was at work I was pumping midmorning, lunch and midafternoon. Pretty much the exact same times I'd have been feeding the baby. And, despite the bad rap that breastfeeding moms sometimes get in public. Pumping in public is a lot less socially acceptable!! I would be in my van in January in MN with my boobs in a machine. Fun times. I would rather have baby attached.
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Post by alabamagal on Sept 7, 2017 10:52:21 GMT -5
I have a serious question here since I have no experience with breastfeeding. Wouldn't a mother want to have some breast milk in bottles available for use? Doesn't a mother wish for some help during the night with feedings from the father? And if the answer is "yes", wouldn't church be a good time to use them?
I have no issue with this. I think it's far less distracting than a screaming hungry baby. I'm just wondering about taking on the entire responsibility for feeding your child when he/she has two parents. Obviously, I understand not every family has two parents available. I just think I'd want some help with the middle-of-the-night stuff. Yes, some frozen breast milk or formula to be used in a bottle is very helpful to have around as needed. But the breast of a breastfeeding mother fills with milk and the milk needs to come out and fairly often, if not in church, then the park, or the store, or the restaurant, or the other public place, etc, etc, etc. And pumping milk to save for bottles is not the most pleasant thing to do so the more often a mother can feed directly, usually the better. Archie the expert! If the baby started crying, the mother could begin to leak breast milk and wet the front of her shirt or dress. And then you never know when the baby will be awake and want to eat. So to prepare a bottle of breast milk, and then not use it would be a waste, especially if you are short on supply. I think you can fairly easily be discreet so that most people will not even notice. That is what I did in public places.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2017 10:53:01 GMT -5
Or if the mother works, or ever wants to actually go do ANYTHING without the baby attached to her. Yes, but when I was at work I was pumping midmorning, lunch and midafternoon. Pretty much the exact same times I'd have been feeding the baby. And, despite the bad rap that breastfeeding moms sometimes get in public. Pumping in public is a lot less socially acceptable!! I would be in my van in January in MN with my boobs in a machine. Fun times. I would rather have baby attached. Unless your church service is 3 hours long though, you could basically apply the same principle there too. If your kid is going to eat during the service, pump immediately before if you want to.
I'd rather have someone breastfeed around me than pump. Those pumps are kind of annoying to listen to.
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Post by justme on Sept 7, 2017 10:53:53 GMT -5
Plus, I would think most moms and babies get rather efficient at it. I was with my SIL all day walking around Disney and I couldn't tell she was breastfeeding until I happened to notice my niece was not looking around like normal.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 7, 2017 10:54:13 GMT -5
I have a serious question here since I have no experience with breastfeeding. Wouldn't a mother want to have some breast milk in bottles available for use? Doesn't a mother wish for some help during the night with feedings from the father? And if the answer is "yes", wouldn't church be a good time to use them?
I have no issue with this. I think it's far less distracting than a screaming hungry baby. I'm just wondering about taking on the entire responsibility for feeding your child when he/she has two parents. Obviously, I understand not every family has two parents available. I just think I'd want some help with the middle-of-the-night stuff. Yes, some frozen breast milk or formula to be used in a bottle is very helpful to have around as needed. But the breast of a breastfeeding mother fills with milk and the milk needs to come out and fairly often, if not in church, then the park, or the store, or the restaurant, or the other public place, etc, etc, etc. And pumping milk to save for bottles is not the most pleasant thing to do so the more often a mother can feed directly, usually the better. I took my pump on vacation because I was away with Abby. Not only did I have to attach myself to it more often in some pretty awkward places but that was WAY more obvious than just nursing. My first pump weighed close to 10 lbs, not exactly a joy to drag around with me everywhere I went. It's also not as good as the baby at doing the job so over time your supply can decrease which means more pumping/more nursing. You also have to have a place to store the milk once you obtain it. I started with doing bottles because I was paranoid about people judging me if I nursed in public. Turned out I couldn't go very long without taking care of business. I had a pretty embarassing moment in the middle of a Cabela's. After that I started nursing in public. Screw what other people thought. I had to pump 3-4 times a day just to have enough for daycare. My hat goes off to all the ladies on here who have exclusively pumped. I have to say that despite my paranoia I never encountered judgement while nursing in public. I got more "good for you" comments than anything else if people noticed. Honestly people are too buried in their phones nowadays to notice if a truck is speeding towards them, let alone that a lady is breastfeeding in the chair across from them.
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Post by milee on Sept 7, 2017 10:56:43 GMT -5
From Swamp's linked article, my favorite phrase was about the "plague" of hot pants and halter tops. Most churches are struggling a lot more with the plague of declining membership as fewer and fewer young people join and the older members die off. IMHO, Jesus wouldn't have cared about what his followers wore to a service and if churches want to stop the decline in membership, they might want to re-examine their attitudes about how to be inclusive and welcoming.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 7, 2017 10:58:45 GMT -5
Thanks for all your responses.
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