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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 6, 2017 12:48:58 GMT -5
He gets paid actors to "testify". "I was about to lose my house and become homeless. I sent for the Miracle Water and God deposited $226,000 into my bank account!" That's the commercial I saw. I kept waiting for his big fancy ass chair to burst into flames or for him to turn into a pillar of salt mid sentence.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 6, 2017 12:49:07 GMT -5
He gets paid actors to "testify". "I was about to lose my house and become homeless. I sent for the Miracle Water and God deposited $226,000 into my bank account!" God has online banking?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2017 12:51:04 GMT -5
He gets paid actors to "testify". "I was about to lose my house and become homeless. I sent for the Miracle Water and God deposited $226,000 into my bank account!" God has online banking? PayPal.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 6, 2017 12:51:43 GMT -5
He gets paid actors to "testify". "I was about to lose my house and become homeless. I sent for the Miracle Water and God deposited $226,000 into my bank account!" God has online banking? Apparently.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 6, 2017 12:54:44 GMT -5
New app opportunity, PrayPal.
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Post by dannylion on Sept 6, 2017 13:32:32 GMT -5
He gets paid actors to "testify". "I was about to lose my house and become homeless. I sent for the Miracle Water and God deposited $226,000 into my bank account!" Did it say whether that included money to pay the taxes on what would surely be considered income? How does that work? I wonder if the cost of the Miracle Water would be deductible as a business expense in this case.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 6, 2017 13:45:52 GMT -5
So how is this any different from those who tithe, and can't pay the mortgage? We've seen those on the board, I remember some major battles on this subject when MSN controlled the money board.
We have been funneling money to my sister during and after her divorce, at this point approaching 5 figures. I have had the horrible thought that 10% of this money is going to her church. If she is giving her church money we are giving her to pay for her living expenses, I am going to be beyond pissed. However, I don't think I have any right to control what she does to a gift of money.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 6, 2017 13:56:03 GMT -5
I had someone tell me I was going to hell because I don't tithe to a church. It doesn't seem to matter that I give money to the food bank and other charities. If someone truly believes they will spend eternity in damnation then I guess giving money to the church becomes more important than paying the bank.
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Post by skubikky on Sept 6, 2017 14:14:28 GMT -5
"Mean girls": you're piling on wxyz 11 to 1. Nowhere near my record of 26 to 1, but still: let the poor man put his hands up between blows. Appoint one or two spokesmen among you to wield the bats, and the rest go get your jackets dry cleaned or something. 2 on 1 is good enough. Or, maybe if a group is telling you are wrong, maybe you should reconsider your thoughts. Swamp, I love ya, but feel compelled to ask. If that group was Joel Osteen's congregants promoting his prosperity gospel or whatever his notion of faith is, would that compel you, because you were a minority, to reconsider?
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Post by swamp on Sept 6, 2017 15:17:06 GMT -5
Or, maybe if a group is telling you are wrong, maybe you should reconsider your thoughts. Swamp, I love ya, but feel compelled to ask. If that group was Joel Osteen's congregants promoting his prosperity gospel or whatever his notion of faith is, would that compel you, because you were a minority, to reconsider? I'd reconsider and then telll I still think they are full of shit
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Post by dannylion on Sept 6, 2017 15:20:23 GMT -5
Swamp, I love ya, but feel compelled to ask. If that group was Joel Osteen's congregants promoting his prosperity gospel or whatever his notion of faith is, would that compel you, because you were a minority, to reconsider? I'd reconsider and then telll I still think they are full of shit But would such a group constitute a majority or an echo chamber?
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 6, 2017 15:26:28 GMT -5
So how is this any different from those who tithe, and can't pay the mortgage? We've seen those on the board, I remember some major battles on this subject when MSN controlled the money board. We have been funneling money to my sister during and after her divorce, at this point approaching 5 figures. I have had the horrible thought that 10% of this money is going to her church. If she is giving her church money we are giving her to pay for her living expenses, I am going to be beyond pissed. However, I don't think I have any right to control what she does to a gift of money. I think you have the right to ask.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 6, 2017 20:39:28 GMT -5
So how is this any different from those who tithe, and can't pay the mortgage? We've seen those on the board, I remember some major battles on this subject when MSN controlled the money board. We have been funneling money to my sister during and after her divorce, at this point approaching 5 figures. I have had the horrible thought that 10% of this money is going to her church. If she is giving her church money we are giving her to pay for her living expenses, I am going to be beyond pissed. However, I don't think I have any right to control what she does to a gift of money. Sure you do. You can try to trust her if you want, but you are in control so you set the rules. If she doesn't like them, she can get help somewhere else. Or, limit your help to something like gift cards or paying a couple of bills. If you don't want your help going to her church, make sure it doesn't.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 6, 2017 20:40:38 GMT -5
Of course if you pay her bills or feed her it still frees up money for her church.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 6, 2017 21:11:16 GMT -5
Of course if you pay her bills or feed her it still frees up money for her church.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 6, 2017 21:54:07 GMT -5
It's a no win situation. I'm sorry.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 6, 2017 22:06:27 GMT -5
There are any number of things you can do. None of which she will like, by the way, but who cares? Set a hard limit that you are comfortable with, and make sure she knows that is it. She can do what she wants, but you are not going to continue to fund any old choice she wants to make. She needs to fix things for herself. Or audit her finances for a couple of months, income and expenses so you know where her money goes. Say no, you can't help any more unless you can assure yourself that she is in fact helping herself too. It is not your job and not your responsibility to bail her out. If you can and want to, fine, but people who are "fine" with it don't say they would be "beyond pissed." She is the one asking for help. You are the one providing it. It is ALL on your terms. I have lent money to friends in the past. I have told them not to worry about it, and pay me back when they can. One is at about $1800 now, the other is down to $600 I think after having borrowed and repaid several other loans. The most I have ever had out to someone was $22-23,000. At that point it was significant enough to secure it, so I got paid when they refinanced. The point, though, is that I don't have to do any of it, and would be entitled to ask anything I want at the time. If the conditions I set are not agreeable, they can say no. So can your sister. Do what makes YOU feel right.
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 6, 2017 22:21:16 GMT -5
There are any number of things you can do. None of which she will like, by the way, but who cares? Set a hard limit that you are comfortable with, and make sure she knows that is it. She can do what she wants, but you are not going to continue to fund any old choice she wants to make. She needs to fix things for herself. Or audit her finances for a couple of months, income and expenses so you know where her money goes. Say no, you can't help any more unless you can assure yourself that she is in fact helping herself too. It is not your job and not your responsibility to bail her out. If you can and want to, fine, but people who are "fine" with it don't say they would be "beyond pissed." She is the one asking for help. You are the one providing it. It is ALL on your terms. I have lent money to friends in the past. I have told them not to worry about it, and pay me back when they can. One is at about $1800 now, the other is down to $600 I think after having borrowed and repaid several other loans. The most I have ever had out to someone was $22-23,000. At that point it was significant enough to secure it, so I got paid when they refinanced. The point, though, is that I don't have to do any of it, and would be entitled to ask anything I want at the time. If the conditions I set are not agreeable, they can say no. So can your sister. Do what makes YOU feel right. thank you for this. it was something I needed to hear again, too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 9:00:36 GMT -5
Yep. Your money, your rules. I'm going to have the same philosophy for paying for my kid's college.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2017 9:19:12 GMT -5
Yep. Your money, your rules. I'm going to have the same philosophy for paying for my kid's college. Once you gift it to someone, it's no longer your money. Your control is over whether you give them MORE, not what they do with money that is theirs. You don't get to give people gifts then try to use your gift to control their actions.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 7, 2017 9:22:15 GMT -5
No need to start another thread about Bakker. He belongs here with other jerks like Osteen, Jackson, and Sharpton. Disgraced pastor Jim Bakker says Hurricane Harvey was 'judgment' from God while selling his Tasty Pantry bucket for $175The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want dehydrated food with a 25-year shelf life. In a segment of "The Jim Bakker Show" in which he and his friends discuss how global warming is "mostly a political agenda," the disgraced televangelist took the opportunity to share the real reason behind Hurricane Harvey. "I have felt — and I was afraid to share it with anybody — that this flood is from God," says convicted criminal Jim Bakker in video highlighted by Right Wing Watch. "It's a judgment on America somehow. Am I off?" Yes. The answer is yes. Naturally, guest Rick Joyner agrees with Bakker's uninformed thesis that one of the worst natural disasters in the history of Texas was not actually the work of a tropical cyclone powered by warm, moist air. "These kinds of things don't happen by accident," Joyner says. Perhaps best of all, the man convicted of 24 counts of mail and wire fraud after being accused of defrauding followers of $158 million, appears to be offering some Harvey aid of his own in the form of a "Get Food 1 Bucket, Give Food 1 Bucket" special. Confusing language aside, this presumably means that for every viewer who purchases an appetizing $175 plastic tub housing 28 pounds of dehydrated food promised to stay fresh for 25 years, a bucket will be sent to victims of Harvey. However, the show's website indicates shipping takes four to six weeks — a long time to wait if you've just faced God's judgement. Complete article here: Disgraced pastor Jim Bakker says Hurricane Harvey was 'judgment' from God while selling his Tasty Pantry bucket for $175 I am astounded that someone has donated even 1 thin dime to that huckster. How is it he has a show again? I thought he had sunk into the face of the earth and disappeared long ago.
I think some people have a blind spot when it comes to people who claim to be men of God. Like God wouldn't allow someone to preach in His name if he's really a cheat and an embezzler. How have they not figured out that the most evil men of all are the ones that hide themselves behind a righteous façade?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 7, 2017 9:22:46 GMT -5
Yep. Your money, your rules. I'm going to have the same philosophy for paying for my kid's college. Once you gift it to someone, it's no longer your money. Your control is over whether you give them MORE, not what they do with money that is theirs. You don't get to give people gifts then try to use your gift to control their actions. This is where the warring in my head comes in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 9:29:46 GMT -5
Yep. Your money, your rules. I'm going to have the same philosophy for paying for my kid's college. Once you gift it to someone, it's no longer your money. Your control is over whether you give them MORE, not what they do with money that is theirs. You don't get to give people gifts then try to use your gift to control their actions. No. But, I also don't have to give them money directly.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2017 9:59:16 GMT -5
Once you gift it to someone, it's no longer your money. Your control is over whether you give them MORE, not what they do with money that is theirs. You don't get to give people gifts then try to use your gift to control their actions. No. But, I also don't have to give them money directly. Absolutely agree. You get to control your money. I'm specifically referring to the phrase that was used which was "a gift of money". If you want to exert some control, the time to do so is while it is still your money (such as your point about not just handing the money over to them, and instead maybe paying a bill directly).
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 7, 2017 10:14:31 GMT -5
Which goes back to the issue of that freeing up money for her church. Maybe it's time for that church to step up to the plate and give back to her?
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2017 10:17:58 GMT -5
Which goes back to the issue of that freeing up money for her church. Maybe it's time for that church to step up to the plate and give back to her? That kinds of depends on if she is needy, or just poor with money.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 7, 2017 10:28:27 GMT -5
Probably both
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 7, 2017 12:55:59 GMT -5
Which goes back to the issue of that freeing up money for her church. Maybe it's time for that church to step up to the plate and give back to her? Good luck with that.
Trying not to give away too many details because: internet, BUT - - there is someone in the circle of my world who fell on very hard times a few years ago. This person lives out of their van because while they are working a part-time job and picking up odd jobs all over the community, they don't make enough to rent an apartment. Two years ago (at the suggestion of a few of us), this person went back to their church and asked for help.
This person was told: come back to church, tithe 10% of your income (!!!!!!!!!) - and we'll talk. This is a uniquely American church (founded in the USA) that is well-known for being cliquish and self-contained, helping really only their own.
WHAT PART OF "THIS PERSON NEEDS HELP *NOW*" DON'T THEY UNDERSTAND?!?
Long story short - two years out, this person is still homeless/living in their van, still attending church, still giving 10% of their meager earnings to the church every week and STILL waiting for help.
So yeah - - - no. Churches are not going to step up and give back to the folks who tithe to them. They expect their members to support THEM.
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Post by quince on Sept 7, 2017 13:03:14 GMT -5
I'm an atheist, but I believe SOME churches do give back to the folks who tithe to them. They are communities first and foremost, which means some are supportive, some not, but they are all different from each other in various ways. There's no reason to believe that they are all leeches preying on the beliefs of their congregations.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 7, 2017 13:15:58 GMT -5
So.....in a round about way, I spoke to my sister this morning about this. She told me she is volunteering her time rather than money.
I do feel better that she is at least is handling her own living expenses first.
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