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Post by thyme4change on Sept 5, 2017 17:35:43 GMT -5
Because in the church the message is that "we" are right, they are wrong and God put us here to help them come to the right place.
In this case, God said that the streets were so flooded that the church should not encourage people to try and come there.
Remember, the basis of the religion us that we are not to question or understand why God does what he does. His need to cause a hurricane and then not have the church open is part of a bigger plan. Accept it.
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Post by swamp on Sept 5, 2017 17:36:31 GMT -5
I think wxyz needs a hug or a cookie.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 5, 2017 17:53:30 GMT -5
At the very least.
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 5, 2017 18:00:25 GMT -5
Because in the church the message is that "we" are right, they are wrong and God put us here to help them come to the right place. In this case, God said that the streets were so flooded that the church should not encourage people to try and come there. Remember, the basis of the religion us that we are not to question or understand why God does what he does. His need to cause a hurricane and then not have the church open is part of a bigger plan. Accept it.
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 5, 2017 18:04:51 GMT -5
Because in the church the message is that "we" are right, they are wrong and God put us here to help them come to the right place. In this case, God said that the streets were so flooded that the church should not encourage people to try and come there. Remember, the basis of the religion us that we are not to question or understand why God does what he does. His need to cause a hurricane and then not have the church open is part of a bigger plan. Accept it. But but but but . . . . that's not what their holy books say! Their holy books say to have compassion for the poor, to care for the stranger and the foreigner in your land, to love your neighbor as yourself, to judge not lest ye be judged, to take the board out of your own eye instead of focusing on the splinter in your neighbor's eye, and pay your taxes.
Are we not reading the same book?
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 5, 2017 18:12:54 GMT -5
And if you have a chance tell us what you think about the various Democratic Ministers like the two that I mentioned and all the rest that have gotten rich from religion. FWIW, I put many of them in the *exact same category* as the Osteens of the world. This is not a political thing for me - it's a "walk your walk and talk your talk" thing REGARDLESS of political affiliation. Be consistent or expect to be scrutinized - ESPECIALLY if you are trying to dictate moral or ethical behavior to others.
FWIW
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 5, 2017 18:37:38 GMT -5
@wxyz and Gardening Grandma: I've removed your exchange. wxyz: We've previously ruled that accusing other members of lying isn't permissible. Please refrain from doing so. GG: wxyz "moved" the contents of several short posts into a large post and removed the short posts after I warned him about duplicate material. Now that the confusion is cleared up, please drop the issue. - Virgil (Mod)
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Post by swamp on Sept 5, 2017 20:23:04 GMT -5
Sure I will take a cookie and a hug. I never turn down a cookie. You too Swamp, have a hug and a cookie. And if you have a chance tell us what you think about the various Democratic Ministers like the two that I mentioned and all the rest that have gotten rich from religion. The issue and the typical problem with many on this thread is the obvious double standard. You preach tolerance, diversity, kindness and other platitudes but you post hate. I am sure the people of Haiti might have something to say about the Clinton "charity" and making money off the backs of the poor and distressed. I remember them picketing your sterling role model as she campaigned around the country. As I said many times, this thread is all about politics and bitterness over the election. And, as usual, since this is a pointless argument and always will be...........this is my last comment on this thread. I think both sharpton and Jackson are jackholes, and I'm not a fan of anyone who gets rich on religion. I was raised Catholic, but I'm more of an agnostic now. I see how religion can be comforting, I find the Catholic rituals very calming, but I still don't believe. I think god is unknowable i also think,religion is very private and I'm super uncomfortable with the fire and brimstone stuff. And I don't understand how giving Joel Osteen money will get you to heaven, if if even exists. I like the the teachings of Jesus and I do believe that we have an obligation to feed the poor, care for the sick, etc. im not sure why you think I'm hateful. I call out crap when I see it and Osteen is a steaming pile of it. As is sharpton.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 5, 2017 20:38:20 GMT -5
Lol!! Speaking of not letting it go....how many more times are you going to say this is your very last post on this thread?
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Post by movingforward on Sept 6, 2017 10:30:10 GMT -5
Sure I will take a cookie and a hug. I never turn down a cookie. You too Swamp, have a hug and a cookie. And if you have a chance tell us what you think about the various Democratic Ministers like the two that I mentioned and all the rest that have gotten rich from religion. The issue and the typical problem with many on this thread is the obvious double standard. You preach tolerance, diversity, kindness and other platitudes but you post hate. I am sure the people of Haiti might have something to say about the Clinton "charity" and making money off the backs of the poor and distressed. I remember them picketing your sterling role model as she campaigned around the country. As I said many times, this thread is all about politics and bitterness over the election. And, as usual, since this is a pointless argument and always will be...........this is my last comment on this thread. I think both sharpton and Jackson are jackholes, and I'm not a fan of anyone who gets rich on religion. I was raised Catholic, but I'm more of an agnostic now. I see how religion can be comforting, I find the Catholic rituals very calming, but I still don't believe. I think god is unknowable i also think,religion is very private and I'm super uncomfortable with the fire and brimstone stuff. And I don't understand how giving Joel Osteen money will get you to heaven, if if even exists. I like the the teachings of Jesus and I do believe that we have an obligation to feed the poor, care for the sick, etc. im not sure why you think I'm hateful. I call out crap when I see it and Osteen is a steaming pile of it. As is sharpton. AMEN!
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Post by Lizard Queen on Sept 6, 2017 11:16:45 GMT -5
For the record, does anybody here even like Sharpton or Jesse Jackson?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2017 11:20:18 GMT -5
No need to start another thread about Bakker. He belongs here with other jerks like Osteen, Jackson, and Sharpton. Disgraced pastor Jim Bakker says Hurricane Harvey was 'judgment' from God while selling his Tasty Pantry bucket for $175The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want dehydrated food with a 25-year shelf life. In a segment of "The Jim Bakker Show" in which he and his friends discuss how global warming is "mostly a political agenda," the disgraced televangelist took the opportunity to share the real reason behind Hurricane Harvey. "I have felt — and I was afraid to share it with anybody — that this flood is from God," says convicted criminal Jim Bakker in video highlighted by Right Wing Watch. "It's a judgment on America somehow. Am I off?" Yes. The answer is yes. Naturally, guest Rick Joyner agrees with Bakker's uninformed thesis that one of the worst natural disasters in the history of Texas was not actually the work of a tropical cyclone powered by warm, moist air. "These kinds of things don't happen by accident," Joyner says. Perhaps best of all, the man convicted of 24 counts of mail and wire fraud after being accused of defrauding followers of $158 million, appears to be offering some Harvey aid of his own in the form of a "Get Food 1 Bucket, Give Food 1 Bucket" special. Confusing language aside, this presumably means that for every viewer who purchases an appetizing $175 plastic tub housing 28 pounds of dehydrated food promised to stay fresh for 25 years, a bucket will be sent to victims of Harvey. However, the show's website indicates shipping takes four to six weeks — a long time to wait if you've just faced God's judgement. Complete article here: Disgraced pastor Jim Bakker says Hurricane Harvey was 'judgment' from God while selling his Tasty Pantry bucket for $175
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 6, 2017 11:22:29 GMT -5
I did not want to come back on here but since I am.....here is the latest attack on the Born Again Churches and how they teach religion: Want to talk religion, Democratic religion....well for many Democrats the Clinton Foundation and it's founders is the equivalent of religion. Want to talk ministers only on this thread....lets talk about "love children", tax cheating/owing the government hundreds of thousands in unpaid taxes, making millions from religion, etc, etc. Here are a couple of names for you. I dont have the time to put up all the many names I could. Jessie Jackson Rev Al Sharpton
and all the other many many many Progressive/Socialist ministers out there that are worth millions. Do you have any of your hate speech for them? But that is different, they are hard core Socialist Democrats.How about using any of the words you used on Olsteen on them? Like: He is an asshole of the first kind I don't care for the guy or megachurches prosperity theology which is BS. Asshole.... pretty much always an asshole. Prosperity theology is a load of crap This guy is disgusting. to further the "work" of his fancy "church" One last.....NON ATTACK on religion post by the tolerant ladies... "I also think for these mega churches it's generally pretty obvious, and many of them are media whores (not just Osteen) and so make sure that the word gets out."ALL of these, "ladylike", "tolerant", comments are on only the first two pages of you and your friends 13 page rant. I dont have time to pull out all the others from this thread. Yesterday you were accusing some unknown person of....."changing the punctuation in one of your posts". Today you just cant let it go and you are back on here spreading your LIES and hatred as usual. And to comment on one last item that you gleefully have thrown out there 4-5 times in this thread. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with taking up a collection at your REGULAR WEDNESDAY CHURCH SERVICE, which is what that video is. Yes there are a few flood victims in there and they stand up. The rest are regular church members. I suspect that every single church in Houston that was able to meet this last Sunday took up a collection. As I said in my original posts......DISGUSTING. thank you for making ASSumptions. I am a black woman and I proudly proclaim that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (they don't deserve the Reverend title) are snake oil salesmen, selling learned helplessness and victim mentality to the black community. While I do believe there are still racial problems, we need to take responsibility for our lives and teach our children the same. These hucksters are IMO attention whores and an embarrassment to Dr. MLK Jr's vision for society. No one should listen to them. But I'm hysterical "old woman" so what do I know...
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Post by movingforward on Sept 6, 2017 11:24:47 GMT -5
I thought you were one of the "mean girls"
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 6, 2017 11:27:40 GMT -5
I don't know what his name is but the guy on informericals hocking "holy water" deserves a special spot in you know where. I kept watching the commerical waiting for lightining to strike. How dare you use your position as a minister to become a snake oil salesman and profit off of desperate people? I have no idea if he is a liberal or a conservative minister so does calling him out still make me a mean bitter old bitty? Or is it only if you can clearly label the person you are calling out that makes it mean? If we posted every single example of something in an OP people would be writing novels. Just because the OP did not personally mention Jackson or Sharpton does not mean she finds them acceptable. I am getting real sick of that being used to justify dismissing someone's position. It's a weak argument used by people who don't have any other way to make their case.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 6, 2017 11:32:54 GMT -5
If we posted every single example of something in an OP people would be writing novels. Just because the OP did not personally mention Jackson or Sharpton does not mean she finds them acceptable. I am getting real sick of that being used to justify dismissing someone's position. It's a weak argument used by people who don't have any other way to make their case. grasping at straws.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2017 12:02:14 GMT -5
I don't know what his name is but the guy on informericals hocking "holy water" deserves a special spot in you know where. I kept watching the commerical waiting for lightining to strike. How dare you use your position as a minister to become a snake oil salesman and profit off of desperate people? I have no idea if he is a liberal or a conservative minister so does calling him out still make me a mean bitter old bitty? Or is it only if you can clearly label the person you are calling out that makes it mean? If we posted every single example of something in an OP people would be writing novels. Just because the OP did not personally mention Jackson or Sharpton does not mean she finds them acceptable. I am getting real sick of that being used to justify dismissing someone's position. It's a weak argument used by people who don't have any other way to make their case. 'Reverend' Peter Popoff?
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 6, 2017 12:06:03 GMT -5
I don't know what his name is but the guy on informericals hocking "holy water" deserves a special spot in you know where. I kept watching the commerical waiting for lightining to strike. How dare you use your position as a minister to become a snake oil salesman and profit off of desperate people? I have no idea if he is a liberal or a conservative minister so does calling him out still make me a mean bitter old bitty? Or is it only if you can clearly label the person you are calling out that makes it mean? If we posted every single example of something in an OP people would be writing novels. Just because the OP did not personally mention Jackson or Sharpton does not mean she finds them acceptable. I am getting real sick of that being used to justify dismissing someone's position. It's a weak argument used by people who don't have any other way to make their case. Peter Popoff. Convicted of fraud multiple times and still at it. One of our elderly patients got roped in, and is bombarded with more and more and more demands for money if he wants to be saved.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 6, 2017 12:09:33 GMT -5
That's him. I told DH I know which ring of hell that guy is going to end up in.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 6, 2017 12:12:56 GMT -5
Then there's the guy from CampMeeting.
"Just send $300.00 to start planting the seed of faith!"
Bastards.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 6, 2017 12:14:24 GMT -5
For the record, does anybody here even like Sharpton or Jesse Jackson? Not me, and not anyone I know.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 6, 2017 12:15:27 GMT -5
while it bothers me a lot, it's hard for me to be irate since there are idiots out there making these guys rich.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 6, 2017 12:25:51 GMT -5
From what I saw on the informercial he preys on desperate people like terminally ill cancer patients and people in poverty. He's picking on vulnerable populations which makes him the asshole.
Should people buy it? No. Can I understand if you are in dire straight with what appears to be no hope and someone someone comes along offering you salvation if you buy this tiny tube of "holy water" you might actually try it? Yes.
As a minister he is not supposed to be fleecing his flock. There is a reason Dante included false prophets and gave them their own circle.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 6, 2017 12:26:25 GMT -5
That's him. I told DH I know which ring of hell that guy is going to end up in. In his late years, my dad got caught up in the psychic medium John Edward's nonsense. My dad wanted to believe he would see his parents and other family members in the afterlife. I told dad what ever you do, don't send him money. The guy's a fraud. South Park roasted John Edwards in a season six episode titled 'The Biggest Douche In The Universe'. The show exposed his trickery.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 6, 2017 12:30:30 GMT -5
Maybe if we complain long enough and hard enough in this thread, the various demagogues will spontaneously combust and validate our 14 pages of hard work.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 6, 2017 12:31:31 GMT -5
That's him. I told DH I know which ring of hell that guy is going to end up in. In his late years, my dad got caught up in the psychic medium John Edward's nonsense. My dad wanted to believe he would see his parents and other family members in the afterlife. I told dad what ever you do, don't send him money. The guy's a fraud. South Park roasted John Edwards in a season six episode titled 'The Biggest Douche In The Universe'. The show exposed his trickery. Family Guy called him out too.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 6, 2017 12:38:24 GMT -5
while it bothers me a lot, it's hard for me to be irate since there are idiots out there making these guys rich. It makes me weep for humanity at how many people fall for this stuff. The sad thing is that many times they specifically target poor people. My mother was raised in a very poor rural community. Her parents used to take her to a lot of traveling tent revivals when she was a child. She said they often would make claims about this or that in exchange for money. As she got older and wiser she tried to keep her parents away from these type of people but they were extremely superstitious and fell for a lot of nonsense. I actually think they had a warped sense of religion. She grew up in what I would classify as a dysfunctional family. It wasn't until she started dating my father and hanging around his family that she realized her family was abnormal. In many ways my father's mother became more of a mother to her, as her mother was wrapped up in a lot of odd religious behaviors that my mom couldn't deal with very well.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 6, 2017 12:40:15 GMT -5
Peter Popoff is now targeting impoverished and desperate black people.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 6, 2017 12:46:32 GMT -5
He gets paid actors to "testify".
"I was about to lose my house and become homeless. I sent for the Miracle Water and God deposited $226,000 into my bank account!"
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 6, 2017 12:48:36 GMT -5
From what I saw on the informercial he preys on desperate people like terminally ill cancer patients and people in poverty. He's picking on vulnerable populations which makes him the asshole. Should people buy it? No. Can I understand if you are in dire straight with what appears to be no hope and someone someone comes along offering you salvation if you buy this tiny tube of "holy water" you might actually try it? Yes. As a minister he is not supposed to be fleecing his flock. There is a reason Dante included false prophets and gave them their own circle. I agree 100%. Religious leaders are the last people who should try to profit from the greater population.
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