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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 4, 2017 14:37:53 GMT -5
He had the choice not to respond.....especially since he had not been involved in the thread for the previous 5 pages. Afterwards, he went on his rant. IMO....other than a few sidebars, this thread has been pretty much on topic. But if you think about it, the topic is broad enough that it encompasses quite a few topics. Hypocrisy in religion. Social media needing to shame someone into action (and if you thing about it, this has been remarkably effective...e.g. the nurse in Utah who was arrested standing up for her patient's rights). Helping those in need when you have resources they don't. etc. ^^This^^ We were discussing hypocrisy in religion and wxyz went on a spittle-spewing rant, insulting all of us. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Interesting. While I may have misread, did you or did you not refer to someone as "hysterical" on or about page 5 of this thread - before wxyz even entered the thread? Now I have no problem with that as I do it all the time, but neither of us get to pretend we were just here having a civilized discussion and then WHAMMO somebody comes in with the insults. So I guess the same applies to you - don't do it and then whine about having it done to you.
I do know that wxyz does delete some posts, but by the time I got around to reading, he hadn't been here prior to that time.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 4, 2017 14:42:21 GMT -5
^^This^^ We were discussing hypocrisy in religion and wxyz went on a spittle-spewing rant, insulting all of us. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Interesting. While I may have misread, did you or did you not refer to someone as "hysterical" on or about page 5 of this thread - before wxyz even entered the thread? Now I have no problem with that as I do it all the time, but neither of us get to pretend we were just here having a civilized discussion and then WHAMMO somebody comes in with the insults. So I guess the same applies to you - don't do it and then whine about having it done to you.
I do know that wxyz does delete some posts, but by the time I got around to reading, he hadn't been here prior to that time.
I most certainly did. It was in response TO wxyz's hysterical rant, which was conveniently deleted.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 4, 2017 14:51:39 GMT -5
Interesting. While I may have misread, did you or did you not refer to someone as "hysterical" on or about page 5 of this thread - before wxyz even entered the thread? Now I have no problem with that as I do it all the time, but neither of us get to pretend we were just here having a civilized discussion and then WHAMMO somebody comes in with the insults. So I guess the same applies to you - don't do it and then whine about having it done to you.
I do know that wxyz does delete some posts, but by the time I got around to reading, he hadn't been here prior to that time.
I most certainly did. It was in response TO wxyz's hysterical rant, which was conveniently deleted. Thanks....I thought he had ranted prior to that but when I went back to look, couldn't find it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 4, 2017 14:57:50 GMT -5
I most certainly did. It was in response TO wxyz's hysterical rant, which was conveniently deleted. Thanks....I thought he had ranted prior to that but when I went back to look, couldn't find it. Can't very well hold someone's feet to the fire when he deletes every nasty, insulting thing he says.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 4, 2017 14:59:18 GMT -5
Ok. So you don't get to whine about insults then, right? This isn't kindergarten here. Just because little Johnny hit you first doesn't make it ok to hit back. We are supposed to be adults.
That was the whole point. I really don't care who said what to who when. Some people do get hysterical. My point was that the thread was off the rails way before Chiver made her silly remark about not being on topic.
I know that I missed stuff here that got deleted. I was simply going by what Mich said about when the insults started. She quoted a post that occurred after yours referring to someone as "hysterical". That's obviously not when it started, but what it does mean is that this thread went off the rails about page 4. Waiting till page 11 to complain about it is silly.
That all being said, I don't care for the guy. It's one of my unexplainable prejudices. Millionaire preachers set my teeth on edge and I don't know why. I can't put my finger on it and it's probably very unfair. Maybe it's just that I feel they are doing what they are doing for their own enrichment instead of their congregation's.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 4, 2017 15:04:10 GMT -5
Thanks....I thought he had ranted prior to that but when I went back to look, couldn't find it. Can't very well hold someone's feet to the fire when he deletes every nasty, insulting thing he says. Quote him. He can't delete yours.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 4, 2017 15:06:57 GMT -5
Ok. So you don't get to whine about insults then, right? This isn't kindergarten here. Just because little Johnny hit you first doesn't make it ok to hit back. We are supposed to be adults.
That was the whole point. I really don't care who said what to who when. Some people do get hysterical. My point was that the thread was off the rails way before Chiver made her silly remark about not being on topic.
I know that I missed stuff here that got deleted. I was simply going by what Mich said about when the insults started. She quoted a post that occurred after yours referring to someone as "hysterical". That's obviously not when it started, but what it does mean is that this thread went off the rails about page 4. Waiting till page 11 to complain about it is silly.
That all being said, I don't care for the guy. It's one of my unexplainable prejudices. Millionaire preachers set my teeth on edge and I don't know why. I can't put my finger on it and it's probably very unfair. Maybe it's just that I feel they are doing what they are doing for their own enrichment instead of their congregation's. Who's complaining? I was just setting the record straight. You said I accused someone of being hysterical before wxyz came into the thread, and I corrected you.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 4, 2017 15:07:37 GMT -5
Can't very well hold someone's feet to the fire when he deletes every nasty, insulting thing he says. Quote him. He can't delete yours. I will in the future.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 4, 2017 15:13:14 GMT -5
Ok. So you don't get to whine about insults then, right? This isn't kindergarten here. Just because little Johnny hit you first doesn't make it ok to hit back. We are supposed to be adults.
That was the whole point. I really don't care who said what to who when. Some people do get hysterical. My point was that the thread was off the rails way before Chiver made her silly remark about not being on topic.
I know that I missed stuff here that got deleted. I was simply going by what Mich said about when the insults started. She quoted a post that occurred after yours referring to someone as "hysterical". That's obviously not when it started, but what it does mean is that this thread went off the rails about page 4. Waiting till page 11 to complain about it is silly.
That all being said, I don't care for the guy. It's one of my unexplainable prejudices. Millionaire preachers set my teeth on edge and I don't know why. I can't put my finger on it and it's probably very unfair. Maybe it's just that I feel they are doing what they are doing for their own enrichment instead of their congregation's. Who's complaining? I was just setting the record straight. You said I accused someone of being hysterical before wxyz came into the thread, and I corrected you. No. I said that's what the thread said when I got here. I posted that I may have missed something due to deletions.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 4, 2017 15:15:28 GMT -5
Sorry, but on this point I will comment. Nothing nasty or insulting was deleted, it is still all up there for anyone to read. (LOL) To avoid just copying and pasting the same post over and over, it was all consolidated into one post which I intended to re-post every two or three pages to avoid having to remake the same old arguments over and over and as I moved it forward and to delete the old one as it was moved forward. Than Virgil asked me to just refer to the old post by number. The ONLY post deleted was one post I made toward L.Q. which I deleted since I thought it was in poor taste and not fair to her. I noted this in the post and knew she had copied my post into her response so even that post is still on the board for anyone to read. So which of your posts that you deleted did Weltz refer to you as "hysterical" over?
PS: I have read your reasoning for deleting posts, but it really makes a thread hard to follow. I'm not attacking you and you have every right. I'm just saying it makes things difficult for the rest of us.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 4, 2017 15:17:18 GMT -5
Ok. So you don't get to whine about insults then, right? This isn't kindergarten here. Just because little Johnny hit you first doesn't make it ok to hit back. We are supposed to be adults.
That was the whole point. I really don't care who said what to who when. Some people do get hysterical. My point was that the thread was off the rails way before Chiver made her silly remark about not being on topic.
I know that I missed stuff here that got deleted. I was simply going by what Mich said about when the insults started. She quoted a post that occurred after yours referring to someone as "hysterical". That's obviously not when it started, but what it does mean is that this thread went off the rails about page 4. Waiting till page 11 to complain about it is silly.
That all being said, I don't care for the guy. It's one of my unexplainable prejudices. Millionaire preachers set my teeth on edge and I don't know why. I can't put my finger on it and it's probably very unfair. Maybe it's just that I feel they are doing what they are doing for their own enrichment instead of their congregation's. It's not unexplainable at all. And there is no maybe about it. You will never see me denigrate Christianity itself over the actions of people. I will call out the hypocrisy involved. I have said many times that an awful lot of people who claim to be Christians...aren't. It is perhaps a majority who have no real clue what it means, but they claim the title because they think it sounds good or that it gives them some moral legitimacy. And there are a lot of people, usually but not exclusively elderly, who will automatically believe anyone who claims to be Christian, simply because they can't imagine that anyone would lie about it. I don't make a habit of listening to megachurch leaders, so cannot say definitively, but I would suggest that NONE of them are truly men of God. If you want to find one of those, go to a small church. Money and power corrupt, pretty much always. And then there is always...Camel, needle, you remember the rest.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 4, 2017 15:17:24 GMT -5
Sorry, but on this point I will comment. Nothing nasty or insulting was deleted, it is still all up there for anyone to read. (LOL) To avoid just copying and pasting the same post over and over, it was all consolidated into one post which I intended to re-post every two or three pages to avoid having to remake the same old arguments over and over and as I moved it forward and to delete the old one as it was moved forward. Than Virgil asked me to just refer to the old post by number. The ONLY post deleted was one post I made toward L.Q. which I deleted since I thought it was in poor taste and not fair to her. I noted this in the post and knew she had copied my post into her response so even that post is still on the board for anyone to read. So which of your posts that you deleted did Weltz refer to you as "hysterical" over?
PS: I have read your reasoning for deleting posts, but it really makes a thread hard to follow. I'm not attacking you and you have every right. I'm just saying it makes things difficult for the rest of us.
The one calling us mean and bitter old women. I'm not goin to search through a dozen pages to find it now.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 4, 2017 15:38:42 GMT -5
This may be the 5th time you've posted that.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 4, 2017 15:39:38 GMT -5
Joining the crowd?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Sept 4, 2017 15:42:45 GMT -5
Ok. So you don't get to whine about insults then, right? This isn't kindergarten here. Just because little Johnny hit you first doesn't make it ok to hit back. We are supposed to be adults.
That was the whole point. I really don't care who said what to who when. Some people do get hysterical. My point was that the thread was off the rails way before Chiver made her silly remark about not being on topic.
I know that I missed stuff here that got deleted. I was simply going by what Mich said about when the insults started. She quoted a post that occurred after yours referring to someone as "hysterical". That's obviously not when it started, but what it does mean is that this thread went off the rails about page 4. Waiting till page 11 to complain about it is silly.
That all being said, I don't care for the guy. It's one of my unexplainable prejudices. Millionaire preachers set my teeth on edge and I don't know why. I can't put my finger on it and it's probably very unfair. Maybe it's just that I feel they are doing what they are doing for their own enrichment instead of their congregation's. A few of you were whining about the vibe of the board. I pointed out after that, if this board were more heavily moderated so that threads would stay on topic, that would be less of an issue. (Another board I'm on is, and it helps a lot.) Although, ironically, it was a post complaining about this very thing that made it get ugly and off topic here in the first place. And, speaking of this post that derailed the thread, it's this very sort of infighting that chases newcomers away, not a few differing opinions here and there. Now, I'm sorry to go on this tangent again. It makes the whole original discussion harder to follow.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 4, 2017 15:46:01 GMT -5
So which of your posts that you deleted did Weltz refer to you as "hysterical" over?
PS: I have read your reasoning for deleting posts, but it really makes a thread hard to follow. I'm not attacking you and you have every right. I'm just saying it makes things difficult for the rest of us.
The one calling us mean and bitter old women. I'm not goin to search through a dozen pages to find it now. I saw the post as well. The term "mean and bitter old women" is accurate. It WAS a hysterical, personal attack, in addition to being completely off topic And, conveniently, has been deleted.....
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 4, 2017 15:50:25 GMT -5
Ok. So you don't get to whine about insults then, right? This isn't kindergarten here. Just because little Johnny hit you first doesn't make it ok to hit back. We are supposed to be adults.
That was the whole point. I really don't care who said what to who when. Some people do get hysterical. My point was that the thread was off the rails way before Chiver made her silly remark about not being on topic.
I know that I missed stuff here that got deleted. I was simply going by what Mich said about when the insults started. She quoted a post that occurred after yours referring to someone as "hysterical". That's obviously not when it started, but what it does mean is that this thread went off the rails about page 4. Waiting till page 11 to complain about it is silly.
That all being said, I don't care for the guy. It's one of my unexplainable prejudices. Millionaire preachers set my teeth on edge and I don't know why. I can't put my finger on it and it's probably very unfair. Maybe it's just that I feel they are doing what they are doing for their own enrichment instead of their congregation's. It's not unexplainable at all. And there is no maybe about it. You will never see me denigrate Christianity itself over the actions of people. I will call out the hypocrisy involved. I have said many times that an awful lot of people who claim to be Christians...aren't. It is perhaps a majority who have no real clue what it means, but they claim the title because they think it sounds good or that it gives them some moral legitimacy. And there are a lot of people, usually but not exclusively elderly, who will automatically believe anyone who claims to be Christian, simply because they can't imagine that anyone would lie about it. I don't make a habit of listening to megachurch leaders, so cannot say definitively, but I would suggest that NONE of them are truly men of God. If you want to find one of those, go to a small church. Money and power corrupt, pretty much always. And then there is always...Camel, needle, you remember the rest. While I agree with most of what you said, I would add that just because a person is not perfect does not mean they aren't a Christian. It means they are imperfect beings and make mistakes. I find a lot of people like to point out a person's failings and decide then and there said person isn't a Christian and most of them have no idea what they are talking about. That just isn't so. It means they make mistakes, ask for forgiveness and do their best to do better the next time. No person is perfect and no person can withstand the scrutiny that some hold them up to. I do my best to live by the teachings I believe in, but I said "shit" earlier. That doesn't make me not a Christian. It makes me imperfect.
That being said, there are very good people who do not believe as I do. I count many among those some of my best friends. I don't make fun of how they choose to believe and they do not make fun of mine. Not one among them would make fun of me for praying for these people affected by this hurricane. Reasonable and kind people would reply "what can it hurt" even if they don't believe it helps.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 4, 2017 15:51:29 GMT -5
Just clearing up dishonest accusations of deleting posts. For any that need a road map here are all my posts on this thread: 148 149 165 my original posts copied and pasted into one post 169 185 190 192 195 219 224 249 252 - deleted by me as " in poor taste and not fair to L.Q." which I put in the place of the deleted post 254- the quote of my "deleted" post #252 if you want to see what it said (this should be good for about a thousand views on this thread) 260 333 334 and of course this one. I dont think I missed any but I am sure someone will let me know if I did. Not that I care, but why do you even bother posting here anyway? You repeatedly post something and say it is your last post on the thread. You admittedly delete posts because you don't want them remaining long. You are obviously not interested in a real discussion, so it leaves the question, "Why?"
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 4, 2017 15:54:22 GMT -5
If you don't care why are you getting involved? Joining the crowd like ken?
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Post by tallguy on Sept 4, 2017 15:57:56 GMT -5
It's not unexplainable at all. And there is no maybe about it. You will never see me denigrate Christianity itself over the actions of people. I will call out the hypocrisy involved. I have said many times that an awful lot of people who claim to be Christians...aren't. It is perhaps a majority who have no real clue what it means, but they claim the title because they think it sounds good or that it gives them some moral legitimacy. And there are a lot of people, usually but not exclusively elderly, who will automatically believe anyone who claims to be Christian, simply because they can't imagine that anyone would lie about it. I don't make a habit of listening to megachurch leaders, so cannot say definitively, but I would suggest that NONE of them are truly men of God. If you want to find one of those, go to a small church. Money and power corrupt, pretty much always. And then there is always...Camel, needle, you remember the rest. While I agree with most of what you said, I would add that just because a person is not perfect does not mean they aren't a Christian. It means they are imperfect beings and make mistakes. I find a lot of people like to point out a person's failings and decide then and there said person isn't a Christian and most of them have no idea what they are talking about. That just isn't so. It means they make mistakes, ask for forgiveness and do their best to do better the next time. No person is perfect and no person can withstand the scrutiny that some hold them up to. I do my best to live by the teachings I believe in, but I said "shit" earlier. That doesn't make me not a Christian. It makes me imperfect.
That being said, there are very good people who do not believe as I do. I count many among those some of my best friends. I don't make fun of how they choose to believe and they do not make fun of mine. Not one among them would make fun of me for praying for these people affected by this hurricane. Reasonable and kind people would reply "what can it hurt" even if they don't believe it helps.
That is certainly true. But there is a difference between being imperfect and having a completely wrong understanding of what Christianity means or involves. You really can tell pretty easily what someone's underlying belief system is, and THAT is where the distinction is made. It is not the occasional failing that merits the "hypocrite" label. It is the belief system and attitudes that is/are oftentimes antithetical to anything that would be described as "Christ-like" that merit such a label.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 4, 2017 16:01:51 GMT -5
While I agree with most of what you said, I would add that just because a person is not perfect does not mean they aren't a Christian. It means they are imperfect beings and make mistakes. I find a lot of people like to point out a person's failings and decide then and there said person isn't a Christian and most of them have no idea what they are talking about. That just isn't so. It means they make mistakes, ask for forgiveness and do their best to do better the next time. No person is perfect and no person can withstand the scrutiny that some hold them up to. I do my best to live by the teachings I believe in, but I said "shit" earlier. That doesn't make me not a Christian. It makes me imperfect.
That being said, there are very good people who do not believe as I do. I count many among those some of my best friends. I don't make fun of how they choose to believe and they do not make fun of mine. Not one among them would make fun of me for praying for these people affected by this hurricane. Reasonable and kind people would reply "what can it hurt" even if they don't believe it helps.
That is certainly true. But there is a difference between being imperfect and having a completely wrong understanding of what Christianity means or involves. You really can tell pretty easily what someone's underlying belief system is, and THAT is where the distinction is made. It is not the occasional failing that merits the "hypocrite" label. It is the belief system and attitudes that is/are oftentimes antithetical to anything that would be described as "Christ-like" that merit such a label. Agreed.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 4, 2017 16:02:13 GMT -5
Obviously his followers are okay with it. I'm not a fan of that kind of display but I'm not a fan of those who say it's wrong. I'm free to attend a church like that or I'm free not to. Just because he's not my idea of a spiritual leader doesn't mean shit to those that are fans.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 4, 2017 16:38:36 GMT -5
If you don't care why are you getting involved? Joining the crowd like ken? What crowd? I've been reading everything and am amazed that one poster keeps saying it's his last post then continues on arguing with people. I post a fact and you get upset?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 4, 2017 16:43:06 GMT -5
Obviously his followers are okay with it. I'm not a fan of that kind of display but I'm not a fan of those who say it's wrong. I'm free to attend a church like that or I'm free not to. Just because he's not my idea of a spiritual leader doesn't mean shit to those that are fans. I agree. He has a following that want to hear him speak and are willing to pay for it. Not my idea of communing with God. I remember in boy scouts getting together a small group in a quite place at camp and having a service when a church wasn't close.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 4, 2017 16:49:09 GMT -5
If you don't care why are you getting involved? Joining the crowd like ken? What crowd? I've been reading everything and am amazed that one poster keeps saying it's his last post then continues on arguing with people. I post a fact and you get upset?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 4, 2017 16:51:06 GMT -5
If you don't care why are you getting involved? Joining the crowd like ken? What crowd? I've been reading everything and am amazed that one poster keeps saying it's his last post then continues on arguing with people. I post a fact and you get upset? Ok...respectfully........who freakin' cares if he has said it's his last post? Why is that so damn important to everyone? B.F.D. It's not like nobody has ever done that before. I'm not sure why that is the focus of anything.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 4, 2017 16:52:51 GMT -5
The gang ....
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 4, 2017 16:55:12 GMT -5
I suppose. I don't get it but that's nothing new. I've said I'm done posting on a thread before and then somebody says something so incredibly dumb, I have to post again! Big deal. I've found most people say they are finished because they don't want to be accused of running from a thread when, three days later, somebody asked them a question and then makes a big deal out of the fact they don't answer.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 4, 2017 16:57:44 GMT -5
gang? If he wants credibility for his opinion he needs to stop saying he's done then continue posting. The deletions for privacy are also bogus. How long has this thread been off topic? I'm sorry I became part of the off topic crap.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 4, 2017 16:59:57 GMT -5
Right.....
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