I don't get where God fits in??

[toshmanta]

For creationism to be true God CREATED primates first and then used most of their DNA to CREATE humans, if GOD created humans in his image does this mean GOD is a Chimpanzee?

[Shooby]

Nov 24, 2016 8:08:20 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

For creationism to be true God CREATED primates first and then used most of their DNA to CREATE humans, if GOD created humans in his image does this mean GOD is a Chimpanzee?

God created MAN as Man.  Soooo, no man did not 'evolve" from Apes.  That's a lot of nonsense and baloney. 

[toshmanta]

Nov 24, 2016 8:22:07 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Nov 24, 2016 8:08:20 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

For creationism to be true God CREATED primates first and then used most of their DNA to CREATE humans, if GOD created humans in his image does this mean GOD is a Chimpanzee?

God created MAN as Man.  Soooo, no man did not 'evolve" from Apes.  That's a lot of nonsense and baloney. 

Shooby, stay with me on this one baby, i did say if GOD created MAN he modelled them on primates, primates were here first and humans share 96% of their DNA.

Evolution is only nonsense and baloney to those who do not understand it or who put their hands over their ears and go LA LA LA LA.

[Shooby]

Nov 24, 2016 8:33:30 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

Nov 24, 2016 8:22:07 GMT -5 Shooby said:

God created MAN as Man.  Soooo, no man did not 'evolve" from Apes.  That's a lot of nonsense and baloney. 

Shooby, stay with me on this one baby, i did say if GOD created MAN he modelled them on primates, primates were here first and humans share 96% of their DNA.

Evolution is only nonsense and baloney to those who do not understand it or who put their hands over their ears and go LA LA LA LA.

And, we share that much DNA with pigs so not sure what is your point?  And common DNA also points to a Common Creator. 

[toshmanta]

Nov 24, 2016 8:37:09 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Nov 24, 2016 8:33:30 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

Shooby, stay with me on this one baby, i did say if GOD created MAN he modelled them on primates, primates were here first and humans share 96% of their DNA.

Evolution is only nonsense and baloney to those who do not understand it or who put their hands over their ears and go LA LA LA LA.

And, we share that much DNA with pigs so not sure what is your point?  And common DNA also points to a Common Creator. 

"If we compare really closely related species, like a human and chimpanzee, we can still see the similarity between these rapidly changing sequences. If you move further away to the more distantly related pig, so many changes in the DNA will have occurred that it is no longer possible to recognise that the sequences were ever similar.

"Depending upon what it is that you are comparing you can say 'Yes, there's a very high degree of similarity, for example between a human and a pig protein coding sequence', but if you compare rapidly evolving non-coding sequences from a similar location in the genome, you may not be able to recognise any similarity at all."






You are wrong

How do you explain MAN coming after chimps Shooby?

[Shooby]

I don't explain that because it didnt' happen.

[toshmanta]

Nov 24, 2016 8:54:29 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I don't explain that because it didnt' happen.

The fossil evidence suggests it happened.

[toshmanta]

I find it impossible to believe an educated mind can believe humans and dinosaurs occupied the earth at the same time, 200 million years is not a small dating error, and if The Flintstones is a documentary then how come nobody mentioned them?

They were quite large, hard to miss a dinosaur taller than a five-storey building and heavier than a jumbo jet
??

[Deleted]

Nov 24, 2016 11:40:46 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

I find it impossible to believe an educated mind can believe humans and dinosaurs occupied the earth at the same time, 200 million years is not a small dating error, and if The Flintstones is a documentary then how come nobody mentioned them?

They were quite large, hard to miss a dinosaur taller than a five-storey building and heavier than a jumbo jet
??

It is called willful ignorance dear. Some thoroughly enjoy this particular malady.

[Deleted]

Willful ignorance = Faith....

[toshmanta]

Nov 24, 2016 12:27:26 GMT -5 @joey said:

Willful ignorance = Faith....

Yep, and a religion that promotes faith as a positive effectively wants its flock to remain ignorant, the reason why is fairly obvious.

One more generation will look back and scratch their heads how anyone believed this drivel.

[weltschmerz]

Martin Luther was right. "Reason is the enemy of faith".
And Shooby has a great deal of faith.

[mmhmm]

Let's be careful here, please. For the most part, this has been a reasonable discussion around a difficult subject. Let's not get into accusing others of ignorance (willful, or otherwise) here. A person's personal belief is theirs, and theirs alone. It's not up to any one of us to label their beliefs as "ignorant". We can discuss the subject civilly and intelligently without resorting to insult and without insisting that ours is the only correct opinion. Do that, and there will be no problems.

Thanks,

mmhmm, Administrator

*Please refer to the rules for the Religious Discussion board for further direction.*

[Deleted]

Willful ignorance is not an insult, it is a fact. 

Willful ignorance is the state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one's inner model of reality.

[mmhmm]

Nov 24, 2016 13:59:45 GMT -5 @joey said:

Willful ignorance is not an insult, it is a fact. 

Willful ignorance is the state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one's inner model of reality.

I'm well aware of the definition of willful ignorance. Used against another, it is NOT a fact. You do not know that the person's belief contradicts that person's inner model of reality. Their inner model of reality might be different than yours. You're making a judgement based on knowledge you do not possess.

That said, let's just not go there. Discuss. Do not judge.

[Deleted]

Nov 24, 2016 14:03:52 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Nov 24, 2016 13:59:45 GMT -5 @joey said:

Willful ignorance is not an insult, it is a fact. 

Willful ignorance is the state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one's inner model of reality.

I'm well aware of the definition of willful ignorance. Used against another, it is NOT a fact. You do not know that the person's belief contradicts that person's inner model of reality. Their inner model of reality might be different than yours. You're making a judgement based on knowledge you do not possess.

That said, let's just not go there. Discuss. Do not judge.

I respectfully disagree. It is not judgement, it is a factual conclusion based in logic. It was not meant to be an insult so please do not assume it is.

Willful ignorance: The state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one's inner model of reality OR: A decision made to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.

Faith: Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.


Given that WITHOUT PROOF people wish to have faith, that is by definition willful ignorance.

[mmhmm]

Your disagreement is noted, @joey. What I said before remains, however, and I've explained why. If you insist on continuing, posts accusing people of being ignorant (willful or otherwise) because they don't agree with you will be removed. I don't want to lock the thread as others are discussing civilly and without insult.

[Deleted]

Nov 24, 2016 14:28:58 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Your disagreement is noted, @joey . What I said before remains, however, and I've explained why. If you insist on continuing, posts accusing people of being ignorant (willful or otherwise) because they don't agree with you will be removed. I don't want to lock the thread as others are discussing civilly and without insult.

I am discussing what faith is.

It is unfortunate that I am unable to share my thoughts (not accusations and not insults) on what faith is.

Do whatever you want with this thread, I'm done.

[mmhmm]

Nov 24, 2016 14:36:53 GMT -5 @joey said:

Nov 24, 2016 14:28:58 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Your disagreement is noted, @joey . What I said before remains, however, and I've explained why. If you insist on continuing, posts accusing people of being ignorant (willful or otherwise) because they don't agree with you will be removed. I don't want to lock the thread as others are discussing civilly and without insult.

I am discussing what faith is.

It is unfortunate that I am unable to share my thoughts (not accusations and not insults) on what faith is.

Do whatever you want with this thread, I'm done.

That's probably the best decision.

[weltschmerz]

Nov 24, 2016 8:50:26 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

Nov 24, 2016 8:37:09 GMT -5 Shooby said:

And, we share that much DNA with pigs so not sure what is your point?  And common DNA also points to a Common Creator. 

"If we compare really closely related species, like a human and chimpanzee, we can still see the similarity between these rapidly changing sequences. If you move further away to the more distantly related pig, so many changes in the DNA will have occurred that it is no longer possible to recognise that the sequences were ever similar.

"Depending upon what it is that you are comparing you can say 'Yes, there's a very high degree of similarity, for example between a human and a pig protein coding sequence', but if you compare rapidly evolving non-coding sequences from a similar location in the genome, you may not be able to recognise any similarity at all."






You are wrong

How do you explain MAN coming after chimps Shooby?

Do you really expect someone who flatly denies evolution, with the proof that "chairs don't evolve", to accept protein coding sequences?

[toshmanta]

Nov 24, 2016 14:51:36 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Nov 24, 2016 8:50:26 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

"If we compare really closely related species, like a human and chimpanzee, we can still see the similarity between these rapidly changing sequences. If you move further away to the more distantly related pig, so many changes in the DNA will have occurred that it is no longer possible to recognise that the sequences were ever similar.

"Depending upon what it is that you are comparing you can say 'Yes, there's a very high degree of similarity, for example between a human and a pig protein coding sequence', but if you compare rapidly evolving non-coding sequences from a similar location in the genome, you may not be able to recognise any similarity at all."






You are wrong

How do you explain MAN coming after chimps Shooby?

Do you really expect someone who flatly denies evolution, with the proof that "chairs don't evolve", to accept protein coding sequences?

I have not lost faith.

[uncle23]

Tosh... if you were God...how would you fit in ? how would you do it AND WHY ?    

[toshmanta]

Nov 25, 2016 17:37:11 GMT -5 uncle23 said:

Tosh... if you were God...how would you fit in ? how would you do it AND WHY ?    

Uncle, i would speak a world into existence where everyone loves me because i want to fit in regardless of what i do.

Tosh works in mysterious ways.

[toshmanta]

Life begins, it reproduces, it spreads and it evolves depending on the environment, it does some good and some bad.

So does fire, why does fire exist?

[uncle23]

Nov 25, 2016 17:50:40 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

Nov 25, 2016 17:37:11 GMT -5 uncle23 said:

Tosh... if you were God...how would you fit in ? how would you do it AND WHY ?    

Uncle, i would speak a world into existence where everyone loves me because i want to fit in regardless of what i do.

Tosh works in mysterious ways.

And it's done instantly....but for those created it's still evolving

[uncle23]

Nov 25, 2016 18:06:52 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

Life begins, it reproduces, it spreads and it evolves depending on the environment, it does some good and some bad.

So does fire, why does fire exist?

Why do we exist ?

[toshmanta]

Nov 25, 2016 22:13:01 GMT -5 uncle23 said:

Nov 25, 2016 18:06:52 GMT -5 toshmanta said:

Life begins, it reproduces, it spreads and it evolves depending on the environment, it does some good and some bad.

So does fire, why does fire exist?

Why do we exist ?

I do not accept the universe or life's existence is a " why " question only a " how", as for humans with consciousness we must create our own answers to this question.