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Post by toshmanta on Nov 22, 2016 19:40:23 GMT -5
You have just explained why you are here, so it seems we can explain the WHY. do tell me why am i here..... I can only tell you why i am here, why you are here can only be explained by you, i thought your final comment (Enjoy and love one another ... ) was your explanation, sorry if i confused matters. |
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Post by Shooby on Nov 22, 2016 19:46:18 GMT -5
You're missing the point... the chair, in the dining room set is expected to evolve or morph or transmogrify into a different kind of chair. THAT CHAIR... not a future generation of chair - that one. That's NOT how evolution works.
Of course, if we just leave the chair and do nothing for a few hundred years - it will decay and change... but even that's not really evolution - because it's not becoming better at existing in it's environment - it's just decaying.
The chair MIGHT inspire someone to build a better version of it... maybe one's that's more comfortable to sit on... that's a kind of 'evolution' - an evolution of style - in that the next generation of chairs is a bit better suited to being a comfortable dinning room chair... but the original chair isn't 'evolving' or changing.
You missed my macro-evolution joke, i was teasing Shooby Doo.  My point is absolutely succinct. Life comes from Life. Sooo.... dining room chair works as well as any of your other scenarios. |
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 22, 2016 19:58:41 GMT -5
You missed my macro-evolution joke, i was teasing Shooby Doo. My point is absolutely succinct. Life comes from Life. Sooo.... dining room chair works as well as any of your other scenarios. Succinct, i thought it was in code dearest, let the scientists do their work, nobody is suggesting life cannot come from non-life except you and your less than absolutely succinct book. |
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Post by uncle23 on Nov 22, 2016 20:06:34 GMT -5
do tell me why am i here..... I can only tell you why i am here, why you are here can only be explained by you, i thought your final comment (Enjoy and love one another ... ) was your explanation, sorry if i confused matters. no problem... i'm here to learn .....not judging anyone.....i believe i am being guided in my own evolution.... WHY ? i don't know.... one question Tosh...could the imperfection of evolution be evidence of no GOD... ? |
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 22, 2016 20:36:26 GMT -5
I can only tell you why i am here, why you are here can only be explained by you, i thought your final comment (Enjoy and love one another ... ) was your explanation, sorry if i confused matters. no problem... i'm here to learn .....not judging anyone.....i believe i am being guided in my own evolution.... WHY ? i don't know.... one question Tosh...could the imperfection of evolution be evidence of no GOD... ? I think it provides reasons not to believe God is all loving or omniscient, but the standard response to logical objections is god works in mysterious ways. There is no evidence god does not exist but there is no evidence to prove i do not have an undetectable dragon in my garage. Atheism is a conclusion drawn from many sources, evolution is only a serious threat to creationists. |
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Post by Shooby on Nov 22, 2016 20:38:00 GMT -5
You missed my macro-evolution joke, i was teasing Shooby Doo. My point is absolutely succinct. Life comes from Life. Sooo.... dining room chair works as well as any of your other scenarios.Pro Prove it. |
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 22, 2016 20:44:37 GMT -5
My point is absolutely succinct. Life comes from Life. Sooo.... dining room chair works as well as any of your other scenarios.Pro Prove it. I haven't a clue what i am supposed to be proving.  |
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Post by Shooby on Nov 22, 2016 20:50:04 GMT -5
That nonlife creates life.
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 22, 2016 20:59:44 GMT -5
That nonlife creates life. I do not think the word create is accurate, i cannot prove life can come from non-life and you cannot prove it is impossible, there are reasons to believe it is possible given the ingredients of both are not dissimilar. As we have discussed many times before evolution quashes creationism, the answers to both the origins of the universe and life matter not a jot if God did not speak humans and the dinosaurs into existence. POOF i am off to bed. |
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Post by uncle23 on Nov 22, 2016 21:29:18 GMT -5
no problem... i'm here to learn .....not judging anyone.....i believe i am being guided in my own evolution.... WHY ? i don't know.... one question Tosh...could the imperfection of evolution be evidence of no GOD... ? I think it provides reasons not to believe God is all loving or omniscient, but the standard response to logical objections is god works in mysterious ways. There is no evidence god does not exist but there is no evidence to prove i do not have an undetectable dragon in my garage. Atheism is a conclusion drawn from many sources, evolution is only a serious threat to creationists. i agree ....but i have no problem with atheism nor evolution being a product of creation...evolution as i understand it is no threat...the standard response for me is idon't know... |
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Post by Shooby on Nov 22, 2016 21:43:04 GMT -5
That nonlife creates life. I do not think the word create is accurate, i cannot prove life can come from non-life and you cannot prove it is impossible, there are reasons to believe it is possible given the ingredients of both are not dissimilar. As we have discussed many times before evolution quashes creationism, the answers to both the origins of the universe and life matter not a jot if God did not speak humans and the dinosaurs into existence. POOF i am off to bed. I can demonstrate over and over and over that life comes from life. You cannot however show that nonlife created life. |
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 22, 2016 21:57:07 GMT -5
I do not think the word create is accurate, i cannot prove life can come from non-life and you cannot prove it is impossible, there are reasons to believe it is possible given the ingredients of both are not dissimilar. As we have discussed many times before evolution quashes creationism, the answers to both the origins of the universe and life matter not a jot if God did not speak humans and the dinosaurs into existence. POOF i am off to bed. I can demonstrate over and over and over that life comes from life. You cannot however show that nonlife created life. You might want to Google the Miller-Urey experiment from 1952. They managed to create amino acids from nothing more than a mixture of chemicals, heat and electrical charges. Amino acids, being the building blocks of proteins, are what would be needed for life to form. I don't remember the details but I'm sure they're available somewhere on the internet. |
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Post by Shooby on Nov 22, 2016 22:09:20 GMT -5
Which proves what? That it took intelligent life to create life.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 22, 2016 22:12:20 GMT -5
Building blocks are not life. Andif nothing existed where did buiding blocks come from?
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 22, 2016 22:13:50 GMT -5
Which proves what? That it took intelligent life to create life. LOL! No, Shoobs. It proves that the potential to create life from non-life is, indeed, viable. You'd have to take the time to learn about the experiment to understand it, I'm afraid. What they did was create what they believed to be an atmosphere near what should have been in primordial times and apply natural phenomena that would have been present at the time. Then, as in most scientific experiments, they waited. What happened, happened on its own. As I said, I don't recall the details. |
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 22, 2016 22:14:41 GMT -5
Building blocks are not life. Andif nothing existed where did buiding blocks come from? Try finding information on the experiment and determining that for yourself.  |
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 23, 2016 7:47:25 GMT -5
I do not think the word create is accurate, i cannot prove life can come from non-life and you cannot prove it is impossible, there are reasons to believe it is possible given the ingredients of both are not dissimilar. As we have discussed many times before evolution quashes creationism, the answers to both the origins of the universe and life matter not a jot if God did not speak humans and the dinosaurs into existence. POOF i am off to bed. I can demonstrate over and over and over that life comes from life. You cannot however show that nonlife created life. Shooby, you cannot show that God created life and i can demonstrate over and over that life once it began EVOLVED, which proves creationism is not true. We have been down this road before. |
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 23, 2016 7:52:24 GMT -5
Which proves what? That it took intelligent life to create life. So if we do manage to create life from non-life you will take this as proof an intelligent God did it? mmmm you think funny. |
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Post by Shooby on Nov 23, 2016 8:02:28 GMT -5
Well, then carry on preaching to your choir. You make your points. I make mine. If you dont' want to hear mine, then fine with me.  |
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Post by Shooby on Nov 23, 2016 8:03:09 GMT -5
Which proves what? That it took intelligent life to create life. LOL! No, Shoobs. It proves that the potential to create life from non-life is, indeed, viable. You'd have to take the time to learn about the experiment to understand it, I'm afraid. What they did was create what they believed to be an atmosphere near what should have been in primordial times and apply natural phenomena that would have been present at the time. Then, as in most scientific experiments, they waited. What happened, happened on its own. As I said, I don't recall the details. Not at all. That is YOUR conclusion. My conclusion is equally as valid. |
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Post by Shooby on Nov 23, 2016 8:03:49 GMT -5
However, where did those building blocks come from in the first place? But, i guess nobody wants to answer that.
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 23, 2016 8:05:07 GMT -5
I think it provides reasons not to believe God is all loving or omniscient, but the standard response to logical objections is god works in mysterious ways. There is no evidence god does not exist but there is no evidence to prove i do not have an undetectable dragon in my garage. Atheism is a conclusion drawn from many sources, evolution is only a serious threat to creationists. i agree ....but i have no problem with atheism nor evolution being a product of creation...evolution as i understand it is no threat...the standard response for me is idon't know... There are many things we do not believe are true without knowing, given evolution has no foresight it is logical to deduce it is not designed, agnosticism is only logical if there are reasons to believe something could be true, and there are no reasons to believe God exists or God guides evolution. |
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Post by Shooby on Nov 23, 2016 8:09:48 GMT -5
And, there are no reasons to be believe that nothing existed and creation created itself either. Sooo.....
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Post by Shooby on Nov 23, 2016 8:12:26 GMT -5
Creation is the giant smoking gun of God's existence. You just choose not to see.
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 23, 2016 8:17:45 GMT -5
Well, then carry on preaching to your choir. You make your points. I make mine. If you dont' want to hear mine, then fine with me. Shooby you are making illogical deductions claiming they are as valid as logical deductions. One minute you are stating creating life from non-life is impossible without God, then you are stating if it is possible without God it proves God did it?? My point is simple, you are a creationist and this has been proved wrong by evolution, your point is to ignore evolution and focus on things yet to be proved. Evasion is not nice. |
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 23, 2016 8:19:54 GMT -5
And, there are no reasons to be believe that nothing existed and creation created itself either. Sooo..... Yes there are. |
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 23, 2016 8:25:05 GMT -5
Creation is the giant smoking gun of God's existence. You just choose not to see. I do not believe creation can be true when evolution is true, creation has no evidence yet evolution is an evidence based fact, you choose not to see facts as true but prefer to believe a contradiction without any supporting evidence. |
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 23, 2016 8:28:29 GMT -5
However, where did those building blocks come from in the first place? But, i guess nobody wants to answer that. You make me laugh Shooby, you are a creationist you do not believe in the building blocks of life. |
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Post by toshmanta on Nov 23, 2016 8:32:56 GMT -5
LOL! No, Shoobs. It proves that the potential to create life from non-life is, indeed, viable. You'd have to take the time to learn about the experiment to understand it, I'm afraid. What they did was create what they believed to be an atmosphere near what should have been in primordial times and apply natural phenomena that would have been present at the time. Then, as in most scientific experiments, they waited. What happened, happened on its own. As I said, I don't recall the details. Not at all. That is YOUR conclusion. My conclusion is equally as valid. So if we create fire it is proof fire must be created by an intelligence?? Your conclusion is not equally valid. |
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