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Post by zibazinski on Sept 13, 2016 20:52:11 GMT -5
Why does he have to sit on a bench while the rest of the kids play? Because he can't participate
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 13, 2016 20:55:04 GMT -5
Well, I think C is active but not as active as your son. He tends toward shy until he settles in.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 13, 2016 20:55:34 GMT -5
Why does he have to sit on a bench while the rest of the kids play? Because he can't participate due to a broken arm.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 13, 2016 20:59:01 GMT -5
Correct.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 13, 2016 21:01:30 GMT -5
Why does he have to sit on a bench while the rest of the kids play? Because he can't participate So what is my kid learning while sitting on the bench? Wouldn't he be better off doing at least SOMETHING? Our tax dollars hard at work...
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 13, 2016 21:02:03 GMT -5
Sorry, I forget that unlike some posters who post everything that happens in their life constantly, several times a day even, that someone might not know why the young man is sitting out at PE time. I wasn't clear enough as to why he was sitting on the bench and why there's no one that can entertain him. It sucks but it's the way it is, high taxes or no high taxes.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 13, 2016 21:03:31 GMT -5
Because he can't participate So what is my kid learning while sitting on the bench? Wouldn't he be better off doing at least SOMETHING? Our tax dollars hard at work... He's learning don't get hurt? I'm sorry. It sucks for both of you but he can't participate until a doctor says he can. Liability.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 13, 2016 21:06:48 GMT -5
Schools assume Loco parenti while the kids are there - aka they are responsible for the kids' health, education, and well being. So saying they can't be assed to give alternative acrivities for a kid who got injured because he wasn't being watched properly at the district aftercare program doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 13, 2016 21:08:09 GMT -5
I agree but it's highly unlikely he will be doing anything but bench sitting.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 13, 2016 21:08:18 GMT -5
So what is my kid learning while sitting on the bench? Wouldn't he be better off doing at least SOMETHING? Our tax dollars hard at work... He's learning don't get hurt? I'm sorry. It sucks for both of you but he can't participate until a doctor says he can. Liability. I don't want him to participate - I want him to be sent to the nurse's office with coloring materials like I was told would be the case for recess and gym.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 13, 2016 21:10:51 GMT -5
You have a school nurse? Wow, I haven't seen one of those in decades. That's awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 21:14:33 GMT -5
Don't all schools have nurses? I know ours does because I've gotten phone calls from her at least once a week for 10 years now. "Eli has a sore leg", "Sam says he's blind", "Eli swallowed a penny", "Sam says there's a magnet in his chest"....
Oh, and the oh so common. PINK EYE!!
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Post by countrygirl on Sept 13, 2016 21:20:29 GMT -5
I know its hard, just be glad you have kids that will eventually grow up. Believe me it could be worse.
Not feeling sorry for myself, stopped that 20 years ago, just tired.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 13, 2016 21:22:06 GMT -5
Nope. The school nurse went the way of the dodo bird. Schools that get boat loads of extra money because of all the free lunches or other issues probably have one because they can afford it. We had former nurse parent volunteers for awhile but then they realized they were assuming a liability they weren't paid for or protected by and that ended. In a sue happy society, I don't blame them.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 13, 2016 21:23:15 GMT -5
Don't all schools have nurses? I know ours does because I've gotten phone calls from her at least once a week for 10 years now. "Eli has a sore leg", "Sam says he's blind", "Eli swallowed a penny", "Sam says there's a magnet in his chest".... Oh, and the oh so common. PINK EYE!! I'd tell that school nurse to knock it off. That's just frickin annoying.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Sept 13, 2016 21:30:41 GMT -5
Email them and tell them you want an IEP for him for the next 8 weeks and a full-time aide. They will drag their feet holding a meeting for it, but maybe you can get a 504 with accommodations for him in writing. Sadly, a 504 can only be enforced in Federal Court, but you'll at least warn them that you are on to them and know your rights.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 21:34:32 GMT -5
Don't all schools have nurses? I know ours does because I've gotten phone calls from her at least once a week for 10 years now. "Eli has a sore leg", "Sam says he's blind", "Eli swallowed a penny", "Sam says there's a magnet in his chest".... Oh, and the oh so common. PINK EYE!! I'd tell that school nurse to knock it off. That's just frickin annoying. I'll bet she thinks my kids are annoying! All the schools around here have nurses. Some share so they might be at one school MWF and the other TR, but they all have health services offices that are open every day. I don't think this is an area with lots of funding or disadvantaged kids. Our school is a charter, so really small. 300 kids in K-8.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Sept 13, 2016 21:36:23 GMT -5
Email them and tell them you want an IEP for him for the next 8 weeks and a full-time aide. They will drag their feet holding a meeting for it, but maybe you can get a 504 with accommodations for him in writing. Sadly, a 504 can only be enforced in Federal Court, but you'll at least warn them that you are on to them and know your rights. He doesn't qualify for an IEP. He doesn't have a disability that is affecting his learning. And dragging their feet is a bit iffy. The amount of assessments that must be completed just to have an eligibility hearing for an IEP are numerous and time-consuming. He does qualify for a 504, and that can written and implemented by the end of this week.
I just wanted to confirm the 504. I'm going to stay out of the rest of this at this point since it's taken such a negative turn. I do understand MJ is hurting.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Sept 13, 2016 21:38:14 GMT -5
I'd tell that school nurse to knock it off. That's just frickin annoying. I'll bet she thinks my kids are annoying! All the schools around here have nurses. Some share so they might be at one school MWF and the other TR, but they all have health services offices that are open every day. I don't think this is an area with lots of funding or disadvantaged kids. Our school is a charter, so really small. 300 kids in K-8. My current district has one nurse who works 0.8 FTE to support 1050 students. My previous district had no nurses and 550 students. My district before that had 3,500 students and three nurses. My district before that had 7,000 students and two nurses. My state doesn't fund school nursing anymore.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 13, 2016 21:46:27 GMT -5
Email them and tell them you want an IEP for him for the next 8 weeks and a full-time aide. They will drag their feet holding a meeting for it, but maybe you can get a 504 with accommodations for him in writing. Sadly, a 504 can only be enforced in Federal Court, but you'll at least warn them that you are on to them and know your rights. He doesn't qualify for an IEP. He doesn't have a disability that is affecting his learning. And dragging their feet is a bit iffy. The amount of assessments that must be completed just to have an eligibility hearing for an IEP are numerous and time-consuming. He does qualify for a 504, and that can written and implemented by the end of this week.
I just wanted to confirm the 504. I'm going to stay out of the rest of this at this point since it's taken such a negative turn. I do understand MJ is hurting. We reached out to the orthopedic doctor about the 504, and X said he handed the necessary signed docs to the nurse. I know it takes time to get him an aide, but in the meantime I think it's ridiculous that zero accommodations can be made in the interim. I feel like we may have to pull him out until he gets help because he has very little self control as it is and he needs structure and directed activities.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 21:56:19 GMT -5
I'll bet she thinks my kids are annoying! All the schools around here have nurses. Some share so they might be at one school MWF and the other TR, but they all have health services offices that are open every day. I don't think this is an area with lots of funding or disadvantaged kids. Our school is a charter, so really small. 300 kids in K-8. My current district has one nurse who works 0.8 FTE to support 1050 students. My previous district had no nurses and 550 students. My district before that had 3,500 students and three nurses. My district before that had 7,000 students and two nurses. My state doesn't fund school nursing anymore. MN law says they have to have one for every 1000 students in a district, but the vast majority of districts are under 1000 students. I guess that's where the sharing comes in.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 13, 2016 22:01:13 GMT -5
Our school has a full time nurse. But I learned that she is not allowed to give out medication.
I forgot to put hydrocordisone cream on DD2's mosquito bites. I asked our nurse if she could put some on DD2's bites...nurse said she couldn't. She did, however, give me some really expired meds to put on DD's legs..Which also was a no-no, apparently.
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Post by Pants on Sept 13, 2016 22:02:45 GMT -5
Email them and tell them you want an IEP for him for the next 8 weeks and a full-time aide. They will drag their feet holding a meeting for it, but maybe you can get a 504 with accommodations for him in writing. Sadly, a 504 can only be enforced in Federal Court, but you'll at least warn them that you are on to them and know your rights. He doesn't qualify for an IEP. He doesn't have a disability that is affecting his learning. And dragging their feet is a bit iffy. The amount of assessments that must be completed just to have an eligibility hearing for an IEP are numerous and time-consuming. He does qualify for a 504, and that can written and implemented by the end of this week.
I just wanted to confirm the 504. I'm going to stay out of the rest of this at this point since it's taken such a negative turn. I do understand MJ is hurting. Chloe - my B is going to need a 504 due to guillain-barre. Can I PM you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 22:10:23 GMT -5
Our school has a full time nurse. But I learned that she is not allowed to give out medication. I forgot to put hydrocordisone cream on DD2's mosquito bites. I asked our nurse if she could put some on DD2's bites...nurse said she couldn't. She did, however, give me some really expired meds to put on DD's legs..Which also was a no-no, apparently. Ours will give meds with a doctor's note. But normally what DS needed was ibuprofen for headaches and who's going to get a doctor's note for the occasional headache? So, I'd just go in with some if they called saying he had a headache.
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Post by suesinfl on Sept 13, 2016 22:20:38 GMT -5
MJ, right now you are under a large amount of stress, remember to breather that that this too will pass. No one wants to see/here of there children going through a situation like this, but the facts really are that there are some schools do not have nurses or someone that can sit with your child and keep him entertained.
I agree that he should have been given something to do that was productive, but sadly, not all schools have that mentally or the resources to provided one on one attention. I am surprised that they did not have him in a class with other kids that also could not participate in recess. To have him sit there while having to watch the other kids have fun was not cool.
Best of luck to you and this is just a small blip on your radar. He will be able to participate soon and believe it or not, most schools do not have nurses. My kids are 29, 19 and 14 there have never been any nurses in there schools. School secretaries always took care of the health issues.
I'm sorry that you are going through this, just remember that this too will pass. Many hugs, you deserve them.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 13, 2016 22:28:27 GMT -5
We reached out to the orthopedic doctor about the 504, and X said he handed the necessary signed docs to the nurse. I know it takes time to get him an aide, but in the meantime I think it's ridiculous that zero accommodations can be made in the interim. I feel like we may have to pull him out until he gets help because he has very little self control as it is and he needs structure and directed activities. Is your guy in 4K or Kindy? Could you contact the classroom teacher and ask that your DS get a lunch buddy? How is lunch run? Do the teachers supervise the lunch with the kids or is there someone different? Is it possible to talk to the lunch lady..Our school is not set up well for kids that have broken limbs. Usually, though, other kids in the classroom simply help the injured kids out. And, from a fairly early age, too. Our lunch ladies get to know the kiddos pretty well. Is your DS a super picky eater? Would it be possible for you and DS to brainstorm foods that are easy for him to open. I'd call them special recovery foods. It might be a little more expensive in the short term...but it might be the most helpful at this point in time. Can you send a special "broken arm" bag to school with things to keep your DS occupied..like some thinking putty (less messy than playdoh), a coloring book, and whatever else? Even in preschool, things like flubber and playdoh and art supplies are packed up immediately after use and put back where they belong (or even thrown out..flubber was made once a month, at least). It may be hard for an aide/the nurse to assemble enough things to keep your DS busy. I guess, I would pick and choose battles. Take care of what you can...like easier to eat food for a few weeks. How unsupervised is unsupervised afterschool? No one sitting down with your DS? Or DS has to look around for 10 minutes to find an adult unsupervised? The supervision, would be my HTDO. My kids have been going to school for over 3 weeks now. The public schools started a few days before Labor Day. The start of the school year has been really uncharacteristically bumpy for everyone.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 14, 2016 5:02:28 GMT -5
His school DOES have a nurse - I talked to her last week. SHE told me that he would be in her office during physical activity times. If I have to send him a special bag of activities, fine. Since the time I brought this up, my problem has been that a discussion took place regarding what DS would be doing during gym/recess and how he would be assisted until he got his own aide and those things did not happen.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 14, 2016 7:15:06 GMT -5
MPL, my school didn't have a nurse but DD liked to bother the office staff with her little complaints. I told her to leave them alone, period, end of story. She did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 7:27:38 GMT -5
MPL, my school didn't have a nurse but DD liked to bother the office staff with her little complaints. I told her to leave them alone, period, end of story. She did. I don't think younger bothers her too much, but older was legendary. She actually spoke at his graduation. Earlier this week, he wanted to stop in and visit his old school when I dropped off younger son and of course had to go to the nurse's office to tell her he had a headache.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 14, 2016 7:44:30 GMT -5
No, but I've heard it in passing talking about so and so stuck babysitting his kids. Wasn't dating them though. But I was raised in a family where my dad didn't babysit. Though my mom has plenty of stories that end with well you were still alive so what could I really say to him? Lol And it may be linguistics, but it often has a whole lot of ideas behind it and I don't like it. IDK, I could just envision most of my DH's brother's talking about "Babysitting" their kids. But, they are good fathers and they would always take good care of their kids. I agree that in many instances it is just linguistics. I think it is just how people talk. Much like women have "girls' night out" (I have never heard a man say "boys night out"!) men say they have to babysit. I have known a lot of great dads who say that and honeslty I don't think they mean anything by it. But I'm also not easily offended so who knows.
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