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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 30, 2016 15:38:54 GMT -5
I am not surprised that women answered as if they were happier back in the 50's and 60's. Did women actually feel comfortable expressing unhappiness back then? I have a feeling they didn't. People in general often suppressed their feelings, whereas now, people are more comfortable saying they aren't fully happy. Men worked jobs they hated but the motto was to just suck it up, women wanted more than just being a mother but didn't necessarily express those things. I can imagine the results from the 50's and 60's being seriously skewed. And don't forget - this whole "leave it to beaver" thing was pretty much only if you were white. (Not that there weren't exceptions, but on the whole...) But I am white so does that mean I would or would not have been happier back then?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 30, 2016 16:04:24 GMT -5
That is really sad about your mom. Did she even want kids or was she pressured?
She loved babies. She always said she liked kids until they could talk and argue with you.
I do feel sad for her because she didn't have any choice, being born in 1929. Getting married was what you did, unless you were an unlucky spinster or someone weird, like Madam Curie, who actually liked work. She did what she thought she needed to do- married an engineer for the lifestyle he could give her, rather than marrying for love - but her two older sisters married guys who had family money and could provide my aunts with the country club lifestyle my mom always wanted. So she was unhappy, comparing her life to the lives of her sisters, and unhappy that she didn't have enough money to buy the kind of car or clothes she wanted, and it really is true, if Momma ain't happy, nobody's happy.
It's funny, she used to lecture me and my sisters that we needed to marry the 'right' kind of man who could provide us with a country club lifestyle (yes, that's what she called it). She insisted women who worked HAD to work, and were miserable. That kids of working couple families always turned out to be criminals. Her three oldest daughters all worked outside the home and we had kids that turned out very well, but it wasn't until my father died, when my mom was 76, that she had a sudden change of heart about working moms and their kids. When she saw how much less she would get from SSI as a widow with no working history of her own, she announced that ALL women needed to work to have their OWN money and SSI payments in retirement. Overnight, she started hounding my little sister, the only one of us who was a SAHM, to go back to work and start earning money, which was kind of astonishing for all her children to witness.
I'm probably only getting pieces of the story...but it doesn't sound like your mom was anxious to work..just pissed that her husband couldn't provide her the lifestyle she wanted and thought she deserved. Later when she realized the iimpact of being a SAHM she wanted better for you guys but that doesn't mean that she would have actually wanted to work. Maybe she would have but if the attitude was "marry the rich guy", well I don't think that sounds like a woman hell bent on earning her way in life.
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Post by Pants on Aug 30, 2016 16:04:46 GMT -5
And don't forget - this whole "leave it to beaver" thing was pretty much only if you were white. (Not that there weren't exceptions, but on the whole...) But I am white so does that mean I would or would not have been happier back then? You personally? I have no fucking clue.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 30, 2016 16:10:08 GMT -5
But I am white so does that mean I would or would not have been happier back then? You personally? I have no fucking clue. lol
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Post by rob base on Aug 30, 2016 17:20:38 GMT -5
and what is the "political point" of this article? I guess I missed that too
thanks for trying toe explain it though
The only thing I read that the dude "missed" was his dream of being of a "writer".......so what, maybe dude wouldn't have made it as a writer.......I wanted to be an astronaut.....oh well.....you really think the whole time they been married he never been laid off, unemployed, etc....I doubt dude had same job the whole time they been married.......even if wifey poo "assumes" he is sacrificing, I don't see it........he's not sacrificing more than anyone else in this world.....but I guess I missed that
Click on the link and read the whole article. The OP only posted a part of it.
The writer states many times how her DH gave up his freedom and dreams to be the breadwinner and support his family, and she thanks him for that sacrifice. The 'political' message of the article is that all good men squelch their dreams, give up their freedom and turn into work drones so that they can provide their wives and children with comfortable lives.
We don't know how her DH feels, though. He might love his job and love the fact that his wife handles all the housework chores for him. He may not feel like an office drone at all. We don't get to hear his side of the story.
I did read the whole article on my last post and again the only "dream" I see that he gave up was being a writer......and she just keeps thanking him
Again- what is the "political" message of the article? and if there is one, maybe this should be on Politics board?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 30, 2016 17:41:16 GMT -5
Click on the link and read the whole article. The OP only posted a part of it.
The writer states many times how her DH gave up his freedom and dreams to be the breadwinner and support his family, and she thanks him for that sacrifice. The 'political' message of the article is that all good men squelch their dreams, give up their freedom and turn into work drones so that they can provide their wives and children with comfortable lives.
We don't know how her DH feels, though. He might love his job and love the fact that his wife handles all the housework chores for him. He may not feel like an office drone at all. We don't get to hear his side of the story.
I did read the whole article on my last post and again the only "dream" I see that he gave up was being a writer......and she just keeps thanking him
Again- what is the "political" message of the article? and if there is one, maybe this should be on Politics board?
I think "cultural" is more fitting than "political": Suzanne Venker is a cultural critic and the author of five books that challenge feminist narratives re men, women, work & family. suzannevenker.com/about/ It would be one thing if it was a letter that was under hubby's pillow. It is not that. It is a published piece originally posted on the author's website (http://suzannevenker.com/) and then on an internet Opinion outlet. I would recommend viewing her site to see her agenda.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 30, 2016 17:46:07 GMT -5
She loved babies. She always said she liked kids until they could talk and argue with you.
I do feel sad for her because she didn't have any choice, being born in 1929. Getting married was what you did, unless you were an unlucky spinster or someone weird, like Madam Curie, who actually liked work. She did what she thought she needed to do- married an engineer for the lifestyle he could give her, rather than marrying for love - but her two older sisters married guys who had family money and could provide my aunts with the country club lifestyle my mom always wanted. So she was unhappy, comparing her life to the lives of her sisters, and unhappy that she didn't have enough money to buy the kind of car or clothes she wanted, and it really is true, if Momma ain't happy, nobody's happy.
It's funny, she used to lecture me and my sisters that we needed to marry the 'right' kind of man who could provide us with a country club lifestyle (yes, that's what she called it). She insisted women who worked HAD to work, and were miserable. That kids of working couple families always turned out to be criminals. Her three oldest daughters all worked outside the home and we had kids that turned out very well, but it wasn't until my father died, when my mom was 76, that she had a sudden change of heart about working moms and their kids. When she saw how much less she would get from SSI as a widow with no working history of her own, she announced that ALL women needed to work to have their OWN money and SSI payments in retirement. Overnight, she started hounding my little sister, the only one of us who was a SAHM, to go back to work and start earning money, which was kind of astonishing for all her children to witness.
I'm probably only getting pieces of the story...but it doesn't sound like your mom was anxious to work..just pissed that her husband couldn't provide her the lifestyle she wanted and thought she deserved. Later when she realized the iimpact of being a SAHM she wanted better for you guys but that doesn't mean that she would have actually wanted to work. Maybe she would have but if the attitude was "marry the rich guy", well I don't think that sounds like a woman hell bent on earning her way in life. I don't think she was adverse to working, actually.
You have to think back to what it was like then. She was born in 1929. Women, even educated women, didn't usually work outside the home. What jobs they could get were on the low end of the pay scale and many companies would fire you when you got married. Single moms due to divorce were almost unheard of, and usually moved back in with their parents or siblings. With rare exceptions (like a big inheritance), the only way for a woman to have a solid middle class or upper middle class lifestyle was to marry the right kind of guy. It seems really odd for us now to consider that your total net worth plus your social standing was tied to who you married, but it really was close to what life was like for Jane Austin.
So it didn't really occur to her that she COULD work outside the home. That someone would hire a married woman with four kids. I think a big part of her frustration came from feeling stuck with what my dad could provide, and not seeing a way to earn enough money to get the big house and nice lifestyle she craved.
She's 87, and to this day she doesn't know what I do or how much money I make. I think she has a vague idea that I do some kind of secretarial work. (I'm the associate dir of my department). In her mind, DH has the important job, the one that brings in the money and social position (I earn twice what DH does, but we're not telling HER that ) It isn't that she thinks I'm not a capable and hard working person, it's that she assumes the husband ALWAYS has the important job that earns almost all the money, while the DW, if she works, does some kind of clerical job or part time work. That's just a reflection of the times she grew up in, and I think most 87 year old middle class women probably think a lot like that. It's not laziness. Just what life was like back then.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 30, 2016 17:53:28 GMT -5
Click on the link and read the whole article. The OP only posted a part of it.
The writer states many times how her DH gave up his freedom and dreams to be the breadwinner and support his family, and she thanks him for that sacrifice. The 'political' message of the article is that all good men squelch their dreams, give up their freedom and turn into work drones so that they can provide their wives and children with comfortable lives.
We don't know how her DH feels, though. He might love his job and love the fact that his wife handles all the housework chores for him. He may not feel like an office drone at all. We don't get to hear his side of the story.
I did read the whole article on my last post and again the only "dream" I see that he gave up was being a writer......and she just keeps thanking him
Again- what is the "political" message of the article? and if there is one, maybe this should be on Politics board?
I said it in my previous post. I highlighted it for you.
No, it's a political message with a small 'p' so it doesn't belong on the politics board.
Some of us think she was not actually writing an open letter to thank her DH for his hard work, but that she was, in fact, using the opportunity to push her opinions about marriage.
Which is fine. We all have our own agendas we push. But I would still like to hear the opinion of her DH, and what he thinks about his wife's belief that he has given up all his freedoms to work all the time at his job so that his family could have a comfy lifestyle. I'd like to hear HIS agenda.
Always nice to hear a second opinion.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 30, 2016 20:01:17 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting.
Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 30, 2016 20:32:36 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting. Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work. I started watching Mad Men earlier this year....enough said.
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Post by justme on Aug 30, 2016 20:37:04 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting. Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work. Pretty sure that was pretty accurate. I believe husbands had a lot of final says with regard to women's reproductive health for a very long time. I believe they also had to sign off on getting your tubes tied and abortion. Not sure what the rules were if single? Not allowed at all? Things like car sales men telling a women to bring her husband back so they can talk about the car she wants to buy didn't start out of the blue, it is a carryover from a time when men basically decided anything his wife did.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 30, 2016 21:42:04 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting. Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work. Pretty sure that was pretty accurate. I believe husbands had a lot of final says with regard to women's reproductive health for a very long time. I believe they also had to sign off on getting your tubes tied and abortion. Not sure what the rules were if single? Not allowed at all? Things like car sales men telling a women to bring her husband back so they can talk about the car she wants to buy didn't start out of the blue, it is a carryover from a time when men basically decided anything his wife did. That happened to me in 2008 at a Cadillac dealership in MA.
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Post by rob base on Aug 30, 2016 21:48:40 GMT -5
I did read the whole article on my last post and again the only "dream" I see that he gave up was being a writer......and she just keeps thanking him
Again- what is the "political" message of the article? and if there is one, maybe this should be on Politics board?
I said it in my previous post. I highlighted it for you.
No, it's a political message with a small 'p' so it doesn't belong on the politics board.
Some of us think she was not actually writing an open letter to thank her DH for his hard work, but that she was, in fact, using the opportunity to push her opinions about marriage.
Which is fine. We all have our own agendas we push. But I would still like to hear the opinion of her DH, and what he thinks about his wife's belief that he has given up all his freedoms to work all the time at his job so that his family could have a comfy lifestyle. I'd like to hear HIS agenda.
Always nice to hear a second opinion.
What is the "political" message about marriage? Is it right wing or left wing? Sorry but I just don't see it.......I am wondering if we read the same thing
Boo hoo the guy had to work, we all have to work, most of us can't just willy nilly take off in the middle of the week to have "me" time....nothing unusual that this guy has to go though the same thing most of us do.....
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Post by yogiii on Aug 31, 2016 6:57:58 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting. Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work. That is some kind of BS! I suppose if DH was also around in the 60's I would have married him but otherwise, spinster it is!
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 31, 2016 8:20:45 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting. Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work. Eisenstadt v. BairdEisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U.S. 438 ( 1972), is a United States Supreme Court case that established the right of unmarried people to possess contraception on the same basis as married couples. The Court struck down a Massachusetts law prohibiting the distribution of contraceptives to unmarried people for the purpose of preventing pregnancy, ruling that it violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. Eisenstadt v. Baird
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 31, 2016 8:22:10 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting. Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work. It's accurate. It was extremely hard to obtain birth control in the 1960s. That was part of the women's movement. It was not until 1965 that it was ruled a married woman could obtain birth control without her husband's permission. People tend to either not know or gloss over those tidbits when mooning over the "good old days". I am pretty sure the letter writer's tune would change if she found out she was no longer allowed to be in control of how many children she had.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 31, 2016 8:26:25 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting. Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work. It's accurate. It was extremely hard to obtain birth control in the 1960s. That was part of the women's movement. It was not until 1965 that it was ruled a married woman could obtain birth control without her husband's permission. People tend to either not know or gloss over those tidbits when mooning over the "good old days". I am pretty sure the letter writer's tune would change if she found out she was no longer allowed to be in control of how many children she had. things were definitely awesome in the good old days if you were a white man. Everyone else though...
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Post by gs11rmb on Aug 31, 2016 8:47:57 GMT -5
things were definitely awesome in the good old days if you were a white man. Everyone else though... My white husband often jokes that he was born 30 years too late
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Post by imawino on Aug 31, 2016 10:19:08 GMT -5
I said it in my previous post. I highlighted it for you.
No, it's a political message with a small 'p' so it doesn't belong on the politics board.
Some of us think she was not actually writing an open letter to thank her DH for his hard work, but that she was, in fact, using the opportunity to push her opinions about marriage.
Which is fine. We all have our own agendas we push. But I would still like to hear the opinion of her DH, and what he thinks about his wife's belief that he has given up all his freedoms to work all the time at his job so that his family could have a comfy lifestyle. I'd like to hear HIS agenda.
Always nice to hear a second opinion.
What is the "political" message about marriage? Is it right wing or left wing? Sorry but I just don't see it.......I am wondering if we read the same thing
Boo hoo the guy had to work, we all have to work, most of us can't just willy nilly take off in the middle of the week to have "me" time....nothing unusual that this guy has to go though the same thing most of us do.....
Actually, the author of the letter doesn't. Nor, she posits, do the women lucky enough to have "breadwinner husbands". It's sort of the whole fucking point of the article. Perhaps the fact that you didn't comprehend that is why you're not seeing the same things as some other people, and keep asking the same question over and over?
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Post by swamp on Aug 31, 2016 10:53:29 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting. Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work. In 1970 my mom had to get my dads permission to have her tubes tied. She he had to go to Canada beciase the local hospitals were all catholic controlled.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 31, 2016 11:10:29 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting. Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work. It's accurate. It was extremely hard to obtain birth control in the 1960s. That was part of the women's movement. It was not until 1965 that it was ruled a married woman could obtain birth control without her husband's permission. People tend to either not know or gloss over those tidbits when mooning over the "good old days". I am pretty sure the letter writer's tune would change if she found out she was no longer allowed to be in control of how many children she had. Why do you have to be so literal? Can't people "moon" over the simplicity of the era, the intact nuclear family, the pride that Americans had for themselves and their nation, without picking apart everything we wouldn't like? Because there are lots of things I like about living in the current time period but lots of things I hate.
Because we get it. You hated the "good old days"....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 31, 2016 11:12:52 GMT -5
It is actually quite interesting to read about. Perhaps I should start a women's movement and try to get reparations for how shitty my ancestors were treated
It is amazing how far we have come in such a short period of time.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 31, 2016 11:14:22 GMT -5
So I was reading a book last week and it set during 60's. A young lady is getting ready to get married and during her OBGYN appt asks for birth control pill. The doctor tells her to bring a note from her future husband. This book is fiction, so I don't know how accurate the information is, but I found it very interesting. Also, her future husband is a doctor and everyone is shocked that she wants to work and not just any kind of work, but social work. It's accurate. It was extremely hard to obtain birth control in the 1960s. That was part of the women's movement. It was not until 1965 that it was ruled a married woman could obtain birth control without her husband's permission. People tend to either not know or gloss over those tidbits when mooning over the "good old days". I am pretty sure the letter writer's tune would change if she found out she was no longer allowed to be in control of how many children she had.When you are married, aren't you both in control of how many children you have? I wanted three children but my ex didn't. I didn't get to have three. He only wanted one but I wanted more so he didn't exactly get to be in control, either. We compromised on two. So no, nothing would have changed for me living in 1950 as far as having children.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 31, 2016 11:18:05 GMT -5
I'm probably only getting pieces of the story...but it doesn't sound like your mom was anxious to work..just pissed that her husband couldn't provide her the lifestyle she wanted and thought she deserved. Later when she realized the iimpact of being a SAHM she wanted better for you guys but that doesn't mean that she would have actually wanted to work. Maybe she would have but if the attitude was "marry the rich guy", well I don't think that sounds like a woman hell bent on earning her way in life. I don't think she was adverse to working, actually.
You have to think back to what it was like then. She was born in 1929. Women, even educated women, didn't usually work outside the home. What jobs they could get were on the low end of the pay scale and many companies would fire you when you got married. Single moms due to divorce were almost unheard of, and usually moved back in with their parents or siblings. With rare exceptions (like a big inheritance), the only way for a woman to have a solid middle class or upper middle class lifestyle was to marry the right kind of guy. It seems really odd for us now to consider that your total net worth plus your social standing was tied to who you married, but it really was close to what life was like for Jane Austin.
So it didn't really occur to her that she COULD work outside the home. That someone would hire a married woman with four kids. I think a big part of her frustration came from feeling stuck with what my dad could provide, and not seeing a way to earn enough money to get the big house and nice lifestyle she craved.
She's 87, and to this day she doesn't know what I do or how much money I make. I think she has a vague idea that I do some kind of secretarial work. (I'm the associate dir of my department). In her mind, DH has the important job, the one that brings in the money and social position (I earn twice what DH does, but we're not telling HER that ) It isn't that she thinks I'm not a capable and hard working person, it's that she assumes the husband ALWAYS has the important job that earns almost all the money, while the DW, if she works, does some kind of clerical job or part time work. That's just a reflection of the times she grew up in, and I think most 87 year old middle class women probably think a lot like that. It's not laziness. Just what life was like back then.
My MIL would be around her same age. She worked part time on and off. Women did work. My grandma would be about 100 now and she took in work at home. She had 9 children so it isn't like she could work outside the home, but she did earn some money to help support the family. That's why I find it odd that your mom thinks that no woman earned money back then and why I think your mom just wanted a pampered lifestyle. My family was poor so the woman had to work (even if just at home) to feed the children. My grandma wasn't bitching because she couldn't lunch at the Country Club.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 31, 2016 11:18:31 GMT -5
but unless you stopped having sex or he put a condom on each time, some type of birth control would be needed.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 31, 2016 11:22:23 GMT -5
It's accurate. It was extremely hard to obtain birth control in the 1960s. That was part of the women's movement. It was not until 1965 that it was ruled a married woman could obtain birth control without her husband's permission. People tend to either not know or gloss over those tidbits when mooning over the "good old days". I am pretty sure the letter writer's tune would change if she found out she was no longer allowed to be in control of how many children she had. Why do you have to be so literal? Can't people "moon" over the simplicity of the era, the intact nuclear family, the pride that Americans had for themselves and their nation, without picking apart everything we wouldn't like? Because there are lots of things I like about living in the current time period but lots of things I hate.
Because we get it. You hated the "good old days"....
but that still exists now without the institutionalized gender and racial discrimination. Nothing stopping people from embracing the other cultural norms and values of yesteryear.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 11:22:30 GMT -5
It's accurate. It was extremely hard to obtain birth control in the 1960s. That was part of the women's movement. It was not until 1965 that it was ruled a married woman could obtain birth control without her husband's permission. People tend to either not know or gloss over those tidbits when mooning over the "good old days". I am pretty sure the letter writer's tune would change if she found out she was no longer allowed to be in control of how many children she had.When you are married, aren't you both in control of how many children you have? I wanted three children but my ex didn't. I didn't get to have three. He only wanted one but I wanted more so he didn't exactly get to be in control, either. We compromised on two. So no, nothing would have changed for me living in 1950 as far as having children. And if your husband wanted a boatload of kids and you didn't but you weren't allowed to be on birth control?
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Post by resolution on Aug 31, 2016 11:24:47 GMT -5
Marital rape wasn't considered a crime until the 1970s to the 1990s, so you wouldn't necessarily be allowed to stop having sex.
That being said, I expect the overwhelming majority of men would come to a compromise with their wife. My Mom didn't want kids at all and my Dad wanted a lot of them and they agreed on two.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 31, 2016 11:29:41 GMT -5
Pretty sure that was pretty accurate. I believe husbands had a lot of final says with regard to women's reproductive health for a very long time. I believe they also had to sign off on getting your tubes tied and abortion. Not sure what the rules were if single? Not allowed at all? Things like car sales men telling a women to bring her husband back so they can talk about the car she wants to buy didn't start out of the blue, it is a carryover from a time when men basically decided anything his wife did. That happened to me in 2008 at a Cadillac dealership in MA. a Mitsubishi dealership, likely on the same stretch of road, in 2001. my then-bf was actually with me and repeatedly told the sales guy that he wasn't buying the car, I was, and that he probably should lob the questions my way.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 31, 2016 11:32:43 GMT -5
Why do you have to be so literal? Can't people "moon" over the simplicity of the era, the intact nuclear family, the pride that Americans had for themselves and their nation, without picking apart everything we wouldn't like? Because there are lots of things I like about living in the current time period but lots of things I hate.
Because we get it. You hated the "good old days"....
but that still exists now without the institutionalized gender and racial discrimination. Nothing stopping people from embracing the other cultural norms and values of yesteryear. We have become a nation of "give me"....no more of the "ask bot what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" it is all "government owes me". So no, I can't actually embrace the culture norms of yesteryear because we are turning more socialistic each and every year.
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