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Post by imawino on May 13, 2016 21:36:57 GMT -5
Yes. It turned out horribly. So I guess we need to outlaw penises in the men's locker room. Yeah! Let's put em all in the girl's locker room. Are they transgendered?
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Post by Kolt! on May 13, 2016 21:37:00 GMT -5
Nobody in my High School even used the showers with even having a bathing suit on. Nobody was comfortable enough to even do so with a bathing suit on. And my cousin who is a Junior says it's the same for her PE classes too, nobody uses them. Back when I was in school they DID force you to shower. Man I hated phy-ed. I'm so glad that has changed now. Yes, i'm aware that it used to be forced. Which is awful. They're getting away from that so much now.
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Post by imawino on May 13, 2016 21:38:19 GMT -5
Yes. It turned out horribly. So I guess we need to outlaw penises in the men's locker room. A group shower probably wasn't the best idea in human history. Wouldn't you agree? Absolutely. But that doesn't have any bearing on the issue at hand.
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Post by gregintenn on May 13, 2016 21:38:37 GMT -5
Yeah! Let's put em all in the girl's locker room. Are they transgendered? Are we now going to discriminate against everyone who ISN'T transgendered?
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Post by gregintenn on May 13, 2016 21:39:20 GMT -5
A group shower probably wasn't the best idea in human history. Wouldn't you agree? Absolutely. But that doesn't have any bearing on the issue at hand. It did regarding the post I quoted. You just want to be an ass it appears.
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Post by imawino on May 13, 2016 21:39:45 GMT -5
Nobody in my High School even used the showers with even having a bathing suit on. Nobody was comfortable enough to even do so with a bathing suit on. And my cousin who is a Junior says it's the same for her PE classes too, nobody uses them. Back when I was in school they DID force you to shower. Man I hated phy-ed. I'm so glad that has changed now. Ugh. They didn't when I was in school, thank goodness. And I think we are close to the same age.
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Post by tallguy on May 13, 2016 21:40:00 GMT -5
But where they do exist, the president and Justice Department did not exempt these schools, so they will have to shower together or risk losing the federal tax dollars that educate all kids, including the transgender kids. I think Penn State had a communal shower....and we all know how that turned out. Yes, so your solution is to not let men go into the men's locker room? Are you implying everyone would have been safer if Sandusky had used the women's instead since he only preyed on boys?
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Post by imawino on May 13, 2016 21:41:37 GMT -5
Absolutely. But that doesn't have any bearing on the issue at hand. It did regarding the post I quoted. You just want to be an ass it appears. You are incorrect. It was my post you quoted, which was not extolling the virtues of group showering. It was pointing out that keeping biological women out of men's locker rooms wold not have changed what happened at Penn State. Were you under the impression it would?
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Post by gregintenn on May 13, 2016 21:43:43 GMT -5
I think Penn State had a communal shower....and we all know how that turned out. Yes, so your solution is to not let men go into the men's locker room? Are you implying everyone would have been safer if Sandusky had used the women's instead since he only preyed on boys? Tell ya what....Let's just dig one big hole out in the parking lot of every building, and everyone can do there business there in front of everyone else. Would that be non-discriminatory enough for you?
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Post by imawino on May 13, 2016 21:44:38 GMT -5
Are we now going to discriminate against everyone who ISN'T transgendered? I actually cannot even begin to figure out the point you think you're trying to make. In general, I hate to ignore people when they quote me, but this? I can't help.
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Post by gregintenn on May 13, 2016 21:46:06 GMT -5
Are we now going to discriminate against everyone who ISN'T transgendered? I actually cannot even begin to figure out the point you think you're trying to make. In general, I hate to ignore people when they quote me, but this? I can't help. Can you somehow ensure that ONLY transgendered males go in the ladie's room? What's to stop me from going in there?
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Post by tallguy on May 13, 2016 21:47:23 GMT -5
Well, if "non-discriminatory" is your only goal, I guess that would do it. Seems a little extreme, not to mention unsanitary, though. But hey, you guys down there knock yourselves out. Might be all you can afford without federal money coming in.
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Post by imawino on May 13, 2016 21:47:28 GMT -5
I actually cannot even begin to figure out the point you think you're trying to make. In general, I hate to ignore people when they quote me, but this? I can't help. Can you somehow ensure that ONLY transgendered males go in the ladie's room? What's to stop me from going in there? What stopped you from going in before?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 21:48:37 GMT -5
Back when I was in school they DID force you to shower. Man I hated phy-ed. I'm so glad that has changed now. Ugh. They didn't when I was in school, thank goodness. And I think we are close to the same age. Graduated in 87. High school we were told we had to, but they didn't police us and lots of kids skipped the shower...I don't think I ever took one in high school, but Jr. High was awful. Showering was mandatory after every class and they patrolled the locker rooms looking for dry heads.
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Post by Kolt! on May 13, 2016 21:48:49 GMT -5
I actually cannot even begin to figure out the point you think you're trying to make. In general, I hate to ignore people when they quote me, but this? I can't help. Can you somehow ensure that ONLY transgendered males go in the ladie's room? What's to stop me from going in there? with or without a law you can't ensure this. if it says transgender must use the gender they're assigned at birth a person can walk into the ladies room, looking like a male and say "I'm a transmale." if there are no laws a male can put on a skirt, put on a wig and say "I'm transgender." nothing will stop a perverted person from doing so.
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Post by Kolt! on May 13, 2016 21:52:13 GMT -5
Having the law actually makes it a lot easier for a perverted male to enter the woman's room as well. They don't have to go get a wig, or buy a skirt, they can use what they have.
Also a trans person generally is working toward passing, this would require a trans person that is passing to use a restroom where they don't even pass as that gender anymore.
It would actually make it MORE common that a male looking figure would be in the restroom because transmen that pass would be stuck using the woman's restroom.
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Post by Pants on May 13, 2016 22:04:40 GMT -5
Can we please recognize that transgender is an adjective not a noun?!? It's not the transgenders, it's trans people or transgendered people.
It's like calling people the gays or the blacks.
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Post by tloonya on May 14, 2016 0:41:20 GMT -5
How is it going to create more problems? If the feds don't stand up for transgendered students, who is going to? It's certainly not the lawmakers in my state, who think the world is going to end and the second coming of Christ is going to happen because a handful of kids in school use a bathroom for a gender they identify with, rather than the genitalia they are born with? Cripes, these kids have much to deal with as it is. I enjoy having a nice, quiet session in the loo. Are we saying this is now only a priviledge for straight people? And, I wonder if you were transgendered, and you couldn't use the bathroom in comfort, if you would feel the same way? What would your choices be? Would you prefer to try to hold it for 9 hours a day, until you got to a "safe" bathroom? Be subjected to bullying in private? Ask your mom to buy you Depends? You got it all wrong! YOU buy your mom Depends...unless you were having birth defect.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 5:38:54 GMT -5
Not by my choice. Perhaps, but I can't imagine many of your citizens being happy with a 27% reduction in services across the board.
Obviously it wouldn't be exactly that. Some would be eliminated entirely while others would be left untouched. The point remains though that federal monies pay for a lot of things that Tennessee taxpayers would either have to pick up the costs for or do without. And you likely don't get to choose to a very great extent which would go.
Can you imagine the "takers" in Stalin's USSR being happy moving away from a central planning model?
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 14, 2016 7:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by tallguy on May 14, 2016 8:15:59 GMT -5
There is actually a thread on YMOT already. You can check that one out.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 14, 2016 8:23:47 GMT -5
There is actually a thread on YMOT already. You can check that one out. A mod can merge it into that threat then. What's TMOT?
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Post by tallguy on May 14, 2016 8:35:45 GMT -5
YMOT. Your Money Off-Topic. Sub-board of YM.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 14, 2016 8:44:42 GMT -5
How is it going to create more problems? If the feds don't stand up for transgendered students, who is going to? It's certainly not the lawmakers in my state, who think the world is going to end and the second coming of Christ is going to happen because a handful of kids in school use a bathroom for a gender they identify with, rather than the genitalia they are born with? Cripes, these kids have much to deal with as it is. I enjoy having a nice, quiet session in the loo. Are we saying this is now only a priviledge for straight people? And, I wonder if you were transgendered, and you couldn't use the bathroom in comfort, if you would feel the same way? What would your choices be? Would you prefer to try to hold it for 9 hours a day, until you got to a "safe" bathroom? Be subjected to bullying in private? Ask your mom to buy you Depends? The directive actually says transgender students should be able to use both bathrooms and locker rooms of the gender they identify with...not just bathrooms. Locker rooms aren't just showers, but include dressing and undressing at lockers. Even if showers aren't required, generally students do change in these areas. If a male goes into a female locker room and exposes himself without permission, it's indecent exposure (at a very minimum); so if a biological male who identifies as female does it, how is that any different? Before anybody starts with the non-sense that "everybody knows what everybody else has," that's not an argument, that is ignoring the issue that associated with it. The topic is even more complicated by the misconception that a biological male who identifies as female is automatically attracted to men; but that isn't the case. So now there is an issue/topic of allowing transgender students who identify as female, who are also attracted to women; but have male biological genitals in the same locker rooms as other women. If women aren't comfortable with have a "penis" in the same locker rooms, why is that unacceptable? After surgery is one thing, but before surgery...that's where the real issue lies. And if you are going to start saying this, then where does it stop? Should transgender students be able to play on a sports team with the gender they identify with or should that be limited by biological gender (until after surgery) as well? Also being transgender vs being gay or straight are completely different topics, even though many people try to merge them into the same thing. I'm honestly not even entirely sure how this managed to get grouped together with other LGB issues because they really are different issues and topics all together.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 14, 2016 9:48:16 GMT -5
Can we please recognize that transgender is an adjective not a noun?!? It's not the transgenders, it's trans people or transgendered people. It's like calling people the gays or the blacks. Lost of things are adjectives that people use the adjective to describe a group of people, and people saying "transgenders" is the same shorthand as saying Christians, Republicans, Democrats, etc. It's no different, and there is very little reason to get offended by it unless a person is looking for a reason to be offended (which seems to be the case more and more in our society).
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Post by Lizard Queen on May 14, 2016 9:53:56 GMT -5
Ugh. They didn't when I was in school, thank goodness. And I think we are close to the same age. Graduated in 87. High school we were told we had to, but they didn't police us and lots of kids skipped the shower...I don't think I ever took one in high school, but Jr. High was awful. Showering was mandatory after every class and they patrolled the locker rooms looking for dry heads. It was the same at my HS and Jr High. We tried getting away with grabbing a towel, quickly walked in and out of the communal shower area, and getting a checkmark by our name, but then they clamped down on the towel, and we had to get wet (but not our hair, fortunately). They were less strict about it in HS, and I did some sports, which got me out of all but 1 semester of PE for 10th-12th grades. I graduated in 1990.
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Post by gregintenn on May 14, 2016 10:12:29 GMT -5
Can you somehow ensure that ONLY transgendered males go in the ladie's room? What's to stop me from going in there? What stopped you from going in before? Personal decency. It used to keep things under control for the most part. Today, however, with the infestation of idiot liberals, it has somehow become a problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 10:20:19 GMT -5
If we're talking about public schools, it seems unlikely to me that there's a huge number of school age children that are sure they are transgender at such a young age. And I seriously doubt that the ones that are sure have been allowed to have the surgeries before age 18. But I could be wrong.
I really feel for transgender people who have to deal with all this confusion. Life can't be a bed of roses if something as simple as using a public bathroom is so complicated that lawmakers and random people have to debate which one they should use.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 10:26:11 GMT -5
What stopped you from going in before? Personal decency. It used to keep things under control for the most part. Today, however, with the infestation of idiot liberals, it has somehow become a problem. There's not going to be a rash of boys storming the girls bathrooms. I'm guessing that it's pretty well known in the schools which kids are transgender and which are not. The high school football team all suddenly "feeling more comfortable" in the girls room isn't going to fly.
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