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Post by justme on May 13, 2016 14:44:01 GMT -5
I've been seeing all morning how Governor Abbott has some balls on him. But I'm not convinced. I really think he should have to prove it before he uses the bathroom at least. Every time!!! Just to be sure he didn't make a change since the last time he "went" Maybe we can institute a live ball-check camera, so we can all oogle look in keeping with the public childbirth for royalty in times past. Note that I have only read about this practice and never researched its veracity, but that shouldn't stop us from instituting this now since we are sooo much more into each others business now right? Oooh a computer screen that asks if you think transgenders should use their birth gender bathroom. If they say yes, a mechanical foot comes out of the wall and kicks them in the balls. If they scream and bend over in pain they hear "you have sufficiently proved you were born with balls, proceed". Heh, typing this out amused me.
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Post by Tiny on May 13, 2016 14:44:15 GMT -5
I love that this implies that people find it comforting that the implied male sexual predators have access to boys in the men's room - as no one seems to be upset about that. and as far as I can tell the "men's room" signage confers the same "Magical Aura of Protection for all within" that a women's room signage confers...
I am on the side of the Transgendered... I DON"T want shopkeepers or employers asking for 'proof of Virginity' before I can spend money or be employed. I'm a single, unmarried, non-virgin woman. Nor do I wish to be asked my religious leanings at businesses or to be employed.
If store keepers and employers can 'look the other way' and assume that I'm a 'good person' because I 'look like one' and if they can 'look the other way' and assume I'm a theist. they can surely learn how to 'look the other way' for the person who uses the restroom assigned to the gender they typically presenting as...
FWIW: I'm not sure why a man who would do something nefarious would need to disguise himself as a woman to get into a women's room. In theory, he can just walk right thru the door!! Must be that "Spell of Protection" the signage confers...
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Post by imawino on May 13, 2016 14:45:33 GMT -5
I find it very hypocritical that you refer to her child as her son, but would be really pissed off if he didn't use the girls bathroom. It's like you are pretending respect for someone's situation when you really don't have any. If you believe he's really just a girl playing dress up in order to go to the boys bathroom, best to just be honest about it. I am going to pretend that you simply do not understand my point. Good plan. It's definitely much easier than addressing mine.
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Post by midjd on May 13, 2016 14:47:22 GMT -5
Isn't the YM attitude that the person funding someone else's lifestyle has at least some right to dictate how the money is spent?
If the feds want to yank educational funding from states that aren't complying with federal mandates, that seems fair enough. They're not forcing anyone to violate their own principles, just cutting off the gravy train. Of course, the whole educational funding system is a hopeless quagmire, but that's a topic for another thread.
I live in a state where the governor is A-OK with refusing federal money if he doesn't like the conditions attached. This has presented its own set of issues, as Patstab and others can attest to.
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Post by Tiny on May 13, 2016 14:52:09 GMT -5
How is it going to create more problems?If the feds don't stand up for transgendered students, who is going to? It's certainly not the lawmakers in my state, who think the world is going to end and the second coming of Christ is going to happen because a handful of kids in school use a bathroom for a gender they identify with, rather than the genitalia they are born with? Cripes, these kids have much to deal with as it is. I enjoy having a nice, quiet session in the loo. Are we saying this is now only a priviledge for straight people? And, I wonder if you were transgendered, and you couldn't use the bathroom in comfort, if you would feel the same way? What would your choices be? Would you prefer to try to hold it for 9 hours a day, until you got to a "safe" bathroom? Be subjected to bullying in private? Ask your mom to buy you Depends? May be schools in US are different or may be children in US are different but I remember what kind of things were going on in girls' bathrooms when I was a kid. And if I had a transgender child the last I would want is for them to be subjected to more taunting/bullying in the most vulnerable place. So no, I don't think it's fed govt standing up for anyone. I think it's fed govt trying to make itself feel better by being so "inclusive" when in reality it will make it worse. I've had more than one mom telling me how their kids were holding it in and not going to the bathroom in school - those are "regular" kids. I don't think it's going to create safe bathrooms at all! But, you've already stated that "girl only" bathrooms AREN"T safe for girls because of the girls who are bullys. Apply the same to boys rooms.
Maybe we need to focus on who is USING the bathroom but on maybe supervising school bathrooms a bit better OR dealing with the poor behavior of some of the students?
I wouldn't want my daughter (who identifies as female) to use a bathroom with other girls or women who would harass her... oh, wait - for my daughter - it would be a 'right of passage' or a 'learning' experience - or maybe a way to 'bond' with other girls to have to run the gauntlet everyday when it came time to pee She just needs to suck it up and grow some 'balls'. Same would go for the boys being harassed in the boys room. Just because "that's the way it's always been" doesn't make it right or good.
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Post by raeoflyte on May 13, 2016 14:57:36 GMT -5
I find it very hypocritical that you refer to her child as her son, but would be really pissed off if he didn't use the girls bathroom. It's like you are pretending respect for someone's situation when you really don't have any. If you believe he's really just a girl playing dress up in order to go to the boys bathroom, best to just be honest about it. I am going to pretend that you simply do not understand my point. I don't understand your point and I'm not trying to be difficult.
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Post by imawino on May 13, 2016 15:07:48 GMT -5
www.scarymommy.com/parents-boycott-target-transgender-bathroom-policy/
The idea that we’re somehow protecting our children by discriminating against transgender people is abhorrent and a complete load of shit. Even worse, it’s teaching an entire generation of kids that discrimination is okay as long as you can come up with some really scary lie to justify your own prejudices.
Children learn by example. Through them, we have the power to either make the world a better, more accepting place or to make it worse. When we teach kids to fear people who don’t live like them or to hate what they don’t understand, we make it worse. If you’re really worried about protecting your kids from the ugliness that exists in this world, stop using them as an excuse to be a hateful human being.
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Post by Kolt! on May 13, 2016 15:21:24 GMT -5
For the record, I have talked to SK before when I first came onto the site.
I'm sure that these threads have been difficult for her to handle as some of the stuff said is in reference to her son. No, you're not directly saying SK's son but being that her son is transgendered it would pertain to him. I'm sure the stuff talked about here would be difficult for many parents of transgendered children.
I can't say I know if they've been difficult for her to see for sure, or if she even has. However, i'm pretty certain (100 percent certain) she'd be really upset with these laws that force her boy who looks very much like a boy to use the girls bathroom.
HECK! A lot of students rally together to support transgender students once they reach high school and college saying "Let them use the bathroom!" it tends to be a lot of the parents that aren't supportive rather than the children. Children tend to be really accepting until their parents get into their head, or the outside world.
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Post by tallguy on May 13, 2016 15:28:51 GMT -5
www.scarymommy.com/parents-boycott-target-transgender-bathroom-policy/
The idea that we’re somehow protecting our children by discriminating against transgender people is abhorrent and a complete load of shit. Even worse, it’s teaching an entire generation of kids that discrimination is okay as long as you can come up with some really scary lie to justify your own prejudices.
Children learn by example. Through them, we have the power to either make the world a better, more accepting place or to make it worse. When we teach kids to fear people who don’t live like them or to hate what they don’t understand, we make it worse. If you’re really worried about protecting your kids from the ugliness that exists in this world, stop using them as an excuse to be a hateful human being.
Excellent quote.
Children are not born with hatred and intolerance inside. They learn it from those around them. I often wish there were a test people had to pass before becoming parents. Most of our societal problems would virtually disappear within a generation. Maybe two.
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Post by Pants on May 13, 2016 15:31:15 GMT -5
www.scarymommy.com/parents-boycott-target-transgender-bathroom-policy/
The idea that we’re somehow protecting our children by discriminating against transgender people is abhorrent and a complete load of shit. Even worse, it’s teaching an entire generation of kids that discrimination is okay as long as you can come up with some really scary lie to justify your own prejudices.
Children learn by example. Through them, we have the power to either make the world a better, more accepting place or to make it worse. When we teach kids to fear people who don’t live like them or to hate what they don’t understand, we make it worse. If you’re really worried about protecting your kids from the ugliness that exists in this world, stop using them as an excuse to be a hateful human being.
Excellent quote.
Children are not born with hatred and intolerance inside. They learn it from those around them. I often wish there were a test people had to pass before becoming parents. Most of our societal problems would virtually disappear within a generation. Maybe two. Depends on who's administering the test and what it contains though, doesn't it?
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Post by imawino on May 13, 2016 15:42:38 GMT -5
www.scarymommy.com/parents-boycott-target-transgender-bathroom-policy/
The idea that we’re somehow protecting our children by discriminating against transgender people is abhorrent and a complete load of shit. Even worse, it’s teaching an entire generation of kids that discrimination is okay as long as you can come up with some really scary lie to justify your own prejudices.
Children learn by example. Through them, we have the power to either make the world a better, more accepting place or to make it worse. When we teach kids to fear people who don’t live like them or to hate what they don’t understand, we make it worse. If you’re really worried about protecting your kids from the ugliness that exists in this world, stop using them as an excuse to be a hateful human being.
Excellent quote.
Children are not born with hatred and intolerance inside. They learn it from those around them. I often wish there were a test people had to pass before becoming parents. Most of our societal problems would virtually disappear within a generation. Maybe two. Yep. You reminded me of that Dennis Leary quote I always liked:
"Racism isn't born, folks, it's taught. I have a two-year-old son. You know what he hates? Naps! End of list."
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 13, 2016 15:42:43 GMT -5
Excellent quote.
Children are not born with hatred and intolerance inside. They learn it from those around them. I often wish there were a test people had to pass before becoming parents. Most of our societal problems would virtually disappear within a generation. Maybe two. Depends on who's administering the test and what it contains though, doesn't it? Finally my experience in test administration is useful outside of my industry! Lol.
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Post by alabamagal on May 13, 2016 15:53:32 GMT -5
I just think people need to move on to more important things. With all the drugs and violence in the world, do we really need police to be checking IDs at the bathroom door?
I guess lots of people are just so freaked out about the possibility of a transgender male/dressed as female using the women's restroom. And seeing what - closed stall doors and women putting on makeup? My kids are older now, but I don't think this would be noticed in the women's restroom, but I think I would have a lot more questions from a boy seeing a person in a dress (no matter what was inside) entering the men's restroom.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 13, 2016 15:55:24 GMT -5
My friend's son was bullied in the bathroom. It had nothing to do with gender orientation and everything to do with violence and dysfunction in the school. Yup. Girls bully girls and boys bully boys in there - nothing will keep your kid 100% safe. Fortunately, not an every day occurrence. P olice revealed that a 16-year-old girl who died after a school bathroom fight had a pre-existing heart conditionA 16-year-old girl died after a fight broke out in the girls' bathroom at a Delaware high school, and authorities have now revealed she died of sudden cardiac death, ABC News reported. Amy Inita Joyner-Francis, a sophomore at the Howard High School of Technology in Wilmington, Delaware, had a pre-existing heart condition, and the stress of the assault contributed to her death, according to authorities. After her death, cell phone video of the altercation emerged, showing Joyner-Francis down on her knees being punched, according to CBS News. Police revealed that a 16-year-old girl who died after a school bathroom fight had a pre-existing heart condition
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Post by giramomma on May 13, 2016 18:24:17 GMT -5
I was listening to a blurb on public radio about what the feds released.
It's a best practices document, which according to the new analyst, some states had already been doing for quite some time.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 19:37:24 GMT -5
How is it going to create more problems? If the feds don't stand up for transgendered students, who is going to? Maybe you should if it is something you care about. Maybe you should take some personal initiative instead of wanting the government to do your bidding for you against the bidding of other citizens who disagree with you.
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Post by mamasita99 on May 13, 2016 20:24:07 GMT -5
How is it going to create more problems? If the feds don't stand up for transgendered students, who is going to? Maybe you should if it is something you care about. Maybe you should take some personal initiative instead of wanting the government to do your bidding for you against the bidding of other citizens who disagree with you. Why should transgender students be excluded from the same protections and freedoms that other students receive just by being an American citizen? Why shouldn't the federal government stand up for them?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:34:26 GMT -5
Maybe you should if it is something you care about. Maybe you should take some personal initiative instead of wanting the government to do your bidding for you against the bidding of other citizens who disagree with you. Why should transgender students be excluded from the same protections and freedoms that other students receive just by being an American citizen? Why shouldn't the federal government stand up for them?
giramomma said: "How is it going to create more problems?
If the feds don't stand up for transgendered students, who is going to? "
I would stand up and say transgendered students should be treated with kindness and common courtesy if I were asked or if I were in a situation where it was appropriat. I would tell my family members that transgenders should be respected if the situation ever arose where that was appropriate. So I think I would stand up for transgenders. Why does giramomma think no one besides government would stand up for transgenders? Would she not? Or if she would why does she think she is so unique and good that only she will and others won't?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:39:24 GMT -5
www.scarymommy.com/parents-boycott-target-transgender-bathroom-policy/
The idea that we’re somehow protecting our children by discriminating against transgender people is abhorrent and a complete load of shit. Even worse, it’s teaching an entire generation of kids that discrimination is okay as long as you can come up with some really scary lie to justify your own prejudices.
Children learn by example. Through them, we have the power to either make the world a better, more accepting place or to make it worse. When we teach kids to fear people who don’t live like them or to hate what they don’t understand, we make it worse. If you’re really worried about protecting your kids from the ugliness that exists in this world, stop using them as an excuse to be a hateful human being.
Excellent quote.
Children are not born with hatred and intolerance inside. They learn it from those around them. I often wish there were a test people had to pass before becoming parents. Most of our societal problems would virtually disappear within a generation. Maybe two. I think people who want to give tests on who can do what and how they should be, are kind of bigoted.
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Post by tallguy on May 13, 2016 20:42:28 GMT -5
Standing up for transgendered students in that context does not mean defending their rights. It means ensuring their rights. Random individuals here and there cannot do that. Government can. Individual and civil rights cannot be left to public opinion. We have a very bad history with that.
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Post by mamasita99 on May 13, 2016 20:45:13 GMT -5
Why should transgender students be excluded from the same protections and freedoms that other students receive just by being an American citizen? Why shouldn't the federal government stand up for them?
giramomma said: "How is it going to create more problems?
If the feds don't stand up for transgendered students, who is going to? "
I would stand up and say transgendered students should be treated with kindness and common courtesy if I were asked or if I were in a situation where it was appropriat. I would tell my family members that transgenders should be respected if the situation ever arose where that was appropriate. So I think I would stand up for transgenders. Why does giramomma think no one besides government would stand up for transgenders? Would she not? Or if she would why does she think she is so unique and good that only she will and others won't? Unfortunately there are others that would not show common decency for transgender students on their own, and that is when the rights of those students get violated.
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Post by gregintenn on May 13, 2016 20:46:56 GMT -5
Our country has gone insane! First, nothing I can find nothing that gives the president the authority to send out an edict concerning what bathroom someone uses. Next, since this is concerning public schools, assuming this is a pressing issue, it is a state or local issue, not a federal issue. Finally, it is first and foremost a plumbing issue. A urinal is not very convenient if one has a vagina. A women's restroom is designed with the vagina in mind, and a men's restroom is designed around a penis. Still confused? Look below your belt in the front. Too fat to see anything? Get in front of a mirror, or enlist the help of a trained professional.
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Post by gregintenn on May 13, 2016 20:47:48 GMT -5
Excellent quote.
Children are not born with hatred and intolerance inside. They learn it from those around them. I often wish there were a test people had to pass before becoming parents. Most of our societal problems would virtually disappear within a generation. Maybe two. I think people who want to give tests on who can do what and how they should be, are kind of bigoted. Sure, but they care.......this makes it o.k.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:49:32 GMT -5
giramomma said: "How is it going to create more problems?
If the feds don't stand up for transgendered students, who is going to? "
I would stand up and say transgendered students should be treated with kindness and common courtesy if I were asked or if I were in a situation where it was appropriat. I would tell my family members that transgenders should be respected if the situation ever arose where that was appropriate. So I think I would stand up for transgenders. Why does giramomma think no one besides government would stand up for transgenders? Would she not? Or if she would why does she think she is so unique and good that only she will and others won't? Unfortunately there are others that would not show common decency for transgender students on their own, and that is when the rights of those students get violated. I agree. If transgendered get pushed around and bullied they should be able to depend on help from good people who surround them. It shouldn't be just the feds and is a complete lack of personal responsibility to say that only the feds can help to solve the problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:51:13 GMT -5
Our country has gone insane. Transgendered people have been using whatever bathroom they choose for ... Ever... Not to mention women using men's when it's convenient, taking other gender kids into bathrooms, whatever... It's only now that certain jackasses want to change things to make it illegal for what has always just happened to happen...
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:54:36 GMT -5
Our country has gone insane. Transgendered people have been using whatever bathroom they choose for ... Ever... Not to mention women using men's when it's convenient, taking other gender kids into bathrooms, whatever... It's only now that certain jackasses want to change things to make it illegal for what has always just happened to happen...The rest is just you blathering on because you don't like the fact that bigotry shouldn't be tolerated. If you can't argue merit call people you disagree with "jackasses".
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:55:35 GMT -5
Yep. Exercising my freedom. Right.
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Post by gregintenn on May 13, 2016 20:56:52 GMT -5
Our country has gone insane. Transgendered people have been using whatever bathroom they choose for ... Ever... Not to mention women using men's when it's convenient, taking other gender kids into bathrooms, whatever... It's only now that certain jackasses want to change things to make it illegal for what has always just happened to happen... Then why has it suddenly become a problem?
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Post by tallguy on May 13, 2016 20:58:33 GMT -5
Our country has gone insane. Transgendered people have been using whatever bathroom they choose for ... Ever... Not to mention women using men's when it's convenient, taking other gender kids into bathrooms, whatever... It's only now that certain jackasses want to change things to make it illegal for what has always just happened to happen... Then why has it suddenly become a problem? It wasn't, until some people in some states decided to create one by passing silly laws that wouldn't solve any problem even if one existed.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:59:16 GMT -5
Because apparently you all just realized it was happening? Gays yes and lesbians can get married and adopt now.. Need a new group to hate on? Shortest answer... It's NOT a problem. It hasn't been. But apparently some people won't rest until they make it one...
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