Here is a reason to actually know our immigrants

[Value Buy]

Canada has a case where they allowed a refugee in from Sudan.
He said he was seventeen years old.


www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/high-school-basketball-star-jonathan-nicola-is-30-years-old/ar-BBs4a1i?li=BBnb7Kz

I grant you, he may not be a terrorist or even Muslim, but, if your children attended this school, would you wonder or worry about this situation?
There are reasons we need to know who is immigrating here, and this is just one of them.

[movingforward]

Of course we need to know who is entering our country.  There needs to be checks and balances in place.  We don't want known serial killers, terrorists, etc. entering the US but that doesn't mean we need to be a bunch of pricks about it by profiling and demonizing an entire religion and/or group of people. 

[Gardening Grandma]

Well of course we need to know who our immigrants are. And we should know who we turn away...  A Syrian opposition activist was told to go back to Turkey - he was here to accept a humanitarian award for his work saving lives..... Oops
bigstory.ap.org/article/2a1cd6c32b69489a8d52ef37a3f0517a/award-winning-syrian-opposition-activist-denied-us-entry

[Value Buy]

Apr 21, 2016 14:14:07 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Well of course we need to know who our immigrants are. And we should know who we turn away...  A Syrian opposition activist was told to go back to Turkey - he was here to accept a humanitarian award for his work saving lives..... Oops
bigstory.ap.org/article/2a1cd6c32b69489a8d52ef37a3f0517a/award-winning-syrian-opposition-activist-denied-us-entry

All it says is his visa was not valid, and gave no reason, and he was told by a translator.
Non valid visa is a good reason.
Try entering a foreign country without a valid visa. See how that works out for you.

[haapai]

Interesting story.  It will be interesting to find out if consular officials in Juba really screwed up (by taking something at face value or accepting a bribe) or if this guy switched documents with someone and it wasn't immediately caught upon entry.   

This guy really doesn't frighten me much. 

[djAdvocate]

Apr 21, 2016 13:17:28 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Canada has a case where they allowed a refugee in from Sudan.
He said he was seventeen years old.


www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/high-school-basketball-star-jonathan-nicola-is-30-years-old/ar-BBs4a1i?li=BBnb7Kz

I grant you, he may not be a terrorist or even Muslim, but, if your children attended this school, would you wonder or worry about this situation?
There are reasons we need to know who is immigrating here, and this is just one of them.

but we do know.  our immigration standards are way more rigorous than Canada's.

are there loopholes?  you bet.  marriage is one.

should they be closed?  sure.

but let's not argue like Canada and the US have the same problems.

[Value Buy]

Apr 21, 2016 14:52:51 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 21, 2016 13:17:28 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Canada has a case where they allowed a refugee in from Sudan.
He said he was seventeen years old.


www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/high-school-basketball-star-jonathan-nicola-is-30-years-old/ar-BBs4a1i?li=BBnb7Kz

I grant you, he may not be a terrorist or even Muslim, but, if your children attended this school, would you wonder or worry about this situation?
There are reasons we need to know who is immigrating here, and this is just one of them.

but we do know.  our immigration standards are way more rigorous than Canada's.

are there loopholes?  you bet.  marriage is one.

should they be closed?  sure.

but let's not argue like Canada and the US have the same problems.

Actually we do. Canada and the U.S. have a very pourous border. Probably easier to cross than Mexico.

[haapai]

The border might be porous but 6'9" black men carrying documents from South Sudan and claiming to be minors don't really scare me.  It's not as if they are going to blend in. 

[Value Buy]

Apr 21, 2016 15:06:28 GMT -5 haapai said:

The border might be porous but 6'9" black men carrying documents from South Sudan and claiming to be minors don't really scare me.  It's not as if they are going to blend in. 

so if you are 6'9" and play basketball, 30 years old and claim to be 17 it's fine?
This thread is about not knowing who is entering the borders, and I think we know that it can easily happen here as well as Canada.
It can be a 5'2" female who decides to shoot up a Christmas party...........who came in on a marriage visa, but we knew nothing about her either.

I guess 6'9" people could never be a child molester looking for children either.
It is not just terrorism we have to be concerned about.

[happyhoix]

Apr 21, 2016 15:20:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 21, 2016 15:06:28 GMT -5 haapai said:

The border might be porous but 6'9" black men carrying documents from South Sudan and claiming to be minors don't really scare me.  It's not as if they are going to blend in. 

so if you are 6'9" and play basketball, 30 years old and claim to be 17 it's fine?
This thread is about not knowing who is entering the borders, and I think we know that it can easily happen here as well as Canada.
It can be a 5'2" female who decides to shoot up a Christmas party...........who came in on a marriage visa, but we knew nothing about her either.

I guess 6'9" people could never be a child molester looking for children either.
It is not just terrorism we have to be concerned about.

So the 30 year old 6'9" guy is a child molester?

[haapai]

Apr 21, 2016 15:20:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 21, 2016 15:06:28 GMT -5 haapai said:

The border might be porous but 6'9" black men carrying documents from South Sudan and claiming to be minors don't really scare me.  It's not as if they are going to blend in. 

so if you are 6'9" and play basketball, 30 years old and claim to be 17 it's fine?
This thread is about not knowing who is entering the borders, and I think we know that it can easily happen here as well as Canada.
It can be a 5'2" female who decides to shoot up a Christmas party...........who came in on a marriage visa, but we knew nothing about her either.

I guess 6'9" people could never be a child molester looking for children either.
It is not just terrorism we have to be concerned about.

Nope, I still refuse to be afraid of this guy. 

[chiver78]

Apr 21, 2016 14:50:32 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 21, 2016 14:14:07 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Well of course we need to know who our immigrants are. And we should know who we turn away...  A Syrian opposition activist was told to go back to Turkey - he was here to accept a humanitarian award for his work saving lives..... Oops
bigstory.ap.org/article/2a1cd6c32b69489a8d52ef37a3f0517a/award-winning-syrian-opposition-activist-denied-us-entry

All it says is his visa was not valid, and gave no reason, and he was told by a translator.
Non valid visa is a good reason.
Try entering a foreign country without a valid visa. See how that works out for you.

try getting in with one, if your demographic is suddenly deemed unacceptable.

link

[Gardening Grandma]

Apr 21, 2016 14:50:32 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 21, 2016 14:14:07 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Well of course we need to know who our immigrants are. And we should know who we turn away...  A Syrian opposition activist was told to go back to Turkey - he was here to accept a humanitarian award for his work saving lives..... Oops
bigstory.ap.org/article/2a1cd6c32b69489a8d52ef37a3f0517a/award-winning-syrian-opposition-activist-denied-us-entry

All it says is his visa was not valid, and gave no reason, and he was told by a translator.
Non valid visa is a good reason.
Try entering a foreign country without a valid visa. See how that works out for you.

No, what it said was that he "was told his visa wasn't valid".  This after a number of previous trips to the US.  All of a sudden his visa "isn't valid".....

[mroped]

Apr 21, 2016 14:50:32 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 21, 2016 14:14:07 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

All it says is his visa was not valid, and gave no reason, and he was told by a translator.
Non valid visa is a good reason.
Try entering a foreign country without a valid visa. See how that works out for you.

So what foreign country are the American citizens denied entry in besides China and Japan.
Even China is just a simple formality from what I am told. Japan might be a bit harder but works, visas are given for many reasons including but not limited to awards ceremonies.

[Deleted]

Another better reason to know our immigrants is because most of them are hard working decent people who would make a good friend.  I work with a lot of immigrants doing construction so I have met a lot like that.  I haven't met any like what was described above.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 21, 2016 14:57:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 21, 2016 14:52:51 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

but we do know.  our immigration standards are way more rigorous than Canada's.

are there loopholes?  you bet.  marriage is one.

should they be closed?  sure.

but let's not argue like Canada and the US have the same problems.

Actually we do. Canada and the U.S. have a very pourous border. Probably easier to cross than Mexico.

i was referring to immigration standards, VB, not "immigration" (legal or otherwise).

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I'd like to know more about American citizens. The ones with illegal guns committing crimes. They scare me more. 

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2016 16:40:39 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'd like to know more about American citizens. The ones with illegal guns committing crimes. They scare me more. 

Boo!!!

[ken a.k.a OMK]

boo!!  who??  

[dondub]

I guess hickle is pro crime as long as it's done with a gun. Weird!

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2016 16:48:55 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

boo!!  who??  

You want to choose immigrants over American citizens.  People for the most part want to have a good life.  Most American citizens want a good life, are honest and decent.  Most immigrants want a good life, are honest and decent.  Why do you want to like my post when I say that about immigrants then in the  next post you disparage American citizens? 

[ken a.k.a OMK]

You misunderstood me. I'm all for honest and decent people, immigrants or citizens. 

[sesfw]

I'm all for honest and decent people, immigrants or citizens.

[Gardening Grandma]

I'm more scared of toddlers than immigrants.....In 2015 more Americans were killed or injured by toddlers with guns than by terrorists. 
www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/. 

[Deleted]

So better watch exchange students rather than immigrants?

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2016 20:13:03 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

I'm more scared of toddlers than immigrants.....In 2015 more Americans were killed or injured by toddlers with guns than by terrorists. 
www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/. 

If you are scared of toddlers at all, that is just weird.    If you are not scared of toddlers then your post is factually wrong.

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 13:33:29 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Of course we need to know who is entering our country.  There needs to be checks and balances in place.  We don't want known serial killers, terrorists, etc. entering the US but that doesn't mean we need to be a bunch of pricks about it by profiling and demonizing an entire religion and/or group of people. 

Sounds lovely. How do you tell who's who?

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 20:18:31 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Apr 21, 2016 20:13:03 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

I'm more scared of toddlers than immigrants.....In 2015 more Americans were killed or injured by toddlers with guns than by terrorists. 
www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/. 

If you are scared of toddlers at all, that is just weird.    If you are not scared of toddlers then your post is factually wrong.

I think she must have read it on a bumper sticker. This has been a common argument against profiling muslim terrorists on here. It defies logic, but if you're a flaming lib, I suppose it sounds cool? I don't really know.

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2016 20:47:31 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 20:18:31 GMT -5 @hickle said:

If you are scared of toddlers at all, that is just weird.    If you are not scared of toddlers then your post is factually wrong.

I think she must have read it on a bumper sticker. This has been a common argument against profiling muslim terrorists on here. It defies logic, but if you're a flaming lib, I suppose it sounds cool? I don't really know.

Comparisons of numbers of death matter with toddlers vs terrorists, but not with number of deaths with cars vs guns.

[chiver78]

Apr 21, 2016 20:45:15 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 13:33:29 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Of course we need to know who is entering our country.  There needs to be checks and balances in place.  We don't want known serial killers, terrorists, etc. entering the US but that doesn't mean we need to be a bunch of pricks about it by profiling and demonizing an entire religion and/or group of people. 

Sounds lovely. How do you tell who's who?

how do you tell who's who from the citizens that were born here?