Here is a reason to actually know our immigrants

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I googled flaming libs and got flaming lips. 

Remember it's not guns that kill but toddlers with guns that kill. Or adults owning guns and not keeping them away from toddlers. 

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 20:57:47 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Apr 21, 2016 20:45:15 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Sounds lovely. How do you tell who's who?

how do you tell who's who from the citizens that were born here?

For starters, one can run an extensive background check on an American citizen.

Do you think the taliban and isis keep good up to date records and make them available like we do here?

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Apr 21, 2016 20:57:47 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Apr 21, 2016 20:45:15 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Sounds lovely. How do you tell who's who?

how do you tell who's who from the citizens that were born here?

You with for them to do something illegal.

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 20:58:20 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I googled flaming libs and got flaming lips. 

Remember it's not guns that kill but toddlers with guns that kill. Or adults owning guns and not keeping them away from toddlers. 

This idiocy has grown quite stale. See if the democrat spin team can't come up with something new please.

[chiver78]

Apr 21, 2016 21:01:23 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 20:57:47 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

how do you tell who's who from the citizens that were born here?

For starters, one can run an extensive background check on an American citizen.

Do you think the taliban and isis keep good up to date records and make them available like we do here?

you would be surprised how much gets missed here.

[Opti]

Apr 21, 2016 15:06:28 GMT -5 haapai said:

The border might be porous but 6'9" black men carrying documents from South Sudan and claiming to be minors don't really scare me.  It's not as if they are going to blend in. 

My guess is this guy came to Canada to finish his HS education and escape Sudan. No good reason to think its anymore than that.

www.nydailynews.com/news/world/canadian-h-s-hoops-star-believed-30-arrested-article-1.2609727

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 21:03:03 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:01:23 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

For starters, one can run an extensive background check on an American citizen.

Do you think the taliban and isis keep good up to date records and make them available like we do here?

you would be surprised how much gets missed here.

I doubt it, but you are being flat out deceptive if you compare one's background info here to the background info available for someone who's just shown up from a third world country.

[Opti]

Apr 21, 2016 20:57:47 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Apr 21, 2016 20:45:15 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Sounds lovely. How do you tell who's who?

how do you tell who's who from the citizens that were born here?

They have property of Sudan stamped on them of course.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I'm not going to research this, but I bet there are more people killed here by American citizens then by immigrants every day.

[chiver78]

Apr 21, 2016 21:04:38 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:03:03 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

you would be surprised how much gets missed here.

I doubt it, but you are being flat out deceptive if you compare one's background info here to the background info available for someone who's just shown up from a third world country.

Saudi Arabia and UAE aren't exactly third world for those that can afford pilot training.

just saying....

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 21:07:47 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'm not going to research this, but I bet there are more people killed here by American citizens then by immigrants every day.

So just open the gates and let them in? Great logic!

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2016 21:07:47 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'm not going to research this, but I bet there are more people killed here by American citizens then by immigrants every day.

Again you are saying or implying immigrants are better then America  citizens.   Booo!!!!!!!!!!!

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 21:08:30 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:04:38 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

I doubt it, but you are being flat out deceptive if you compare one's background info here to the background info available for someone who's just shown up from a third world country.

Saudi Arabia and UAE aren't exactly third world for those that can afford pilot training.

just saying....

Am I to assume the bad ones all have TERRORIST stamped across the front of their forged visa?

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 21:10:44 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:07:47 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'm not going to research this, but I bet there are more people killed here by American citizens then by immigrants every day.

Again you are saying or implying immigrants are better then America  citizens.   Booo!!!!!!!!!!!

Just the ones he doesn't agree with politically.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Apr 21, 2016 21:02:45 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 20:58:20 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I googled flaming libs and got flaming lips. 

Remember it's not guns that kill but toddlers with guns that kill. Or adults owning guns and not keeping them away from toddlers. 

This idiocy has grown quite stale. See if the democrat spin team can't come up with something new please.

You lost me on this. How is this a democratic spin? How is keeping guns safely away from children bad? I know you are careful with your guns, but don't take up for those who aren't. 

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 21:12:06 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:02:45 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

This idiocy has grown quite stale. See if the democrat spin team can't come up with something new please.

You lost me on this. How is this a democratic spin? How is keeping guns safely away from children bad? I know you are careful with your guns, but don't take up for those who aren't. 

The thread is about immigration. It could be about onions, and you'd bring this shit up again. Give it a rest already! My kids haven't killed anyone.

What the hell is wrong with you??!!??

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2016 21:09:59 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:07:47 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'm not going to research this, but I bet there are more people killed here by American citizens then by immigrants every day.

So just open the gates and let them in? Great logic!

The closer we get to open borders the freer we are. . Big government is wrong and government telling people where they can and cannot live is big government.  Don't hate on freedom. Our rights are given to us by our creator, not by government. Government only denies them or protects them.

[Opti]

Apr 21, 2016 21:10:44 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:07:47 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'm not going to research this, but I bet there are more people killed here by American citizens then by immigrants every day.

Again you are saying or implying immigrants are better then America  citizens.   Booo!!!!!!!!!!!

He's simply saying that of the people killed in America now, he believes more are killed by citizens than immigrants. I don't think it had anything to do with better, worse, or purple spotted.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Apr 21, 2016 21:09:59 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:07:47 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'm not going to research this, but I bet there are more people killed here by American citizens then by immigrants every day.

So just open the gates and let them in? Great logic!

How the hell do you get that out of my statement? I said nothing about letting anyone in. 

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 21:14:59 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:09:59 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

So just open the gates and let them in? Great logic!

The closer we get to open borders the freer we are. . Big government is wrong and government to telling people where they can and cannot live is big government.  Don't hate on freedom. Our rights are given to us by our creator, not by government. Government only denies them or protects them.

I don't see how a country could have safety nor sovereignty without borders and controlled immigration.

[Opti]

An interlude... they stamp them when they're small.

[chiver78]

Apr 21, 2016 21:11:21 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:08:30 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Saudi Arabia and UAE aren't exactly third world for those that can afford pilot training.

just saying....

Am I to assume the bad ones all have TERRORIST stamped across the front of their forged visa?

you make the assumption that you can catch ALL American terrorists via background check, and we've missed -and caught later - about the same amount since 9/11 as the ones that committed suicide as they killed thousands.

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 21:16:20 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:09:59 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

So just open the gates and let them in? Great logic!

How the hell do you get that out of my statement? I said nothing about letting anyone in. 

If you aren't saying that, and you aren't saying illegal immigrants are better than American citizens, what does your post mean?

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 21:18:13 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:11:21 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Am I to assume the bad ones all have TERRORIST stamped across the front of their forged visa?

you make the assumption that you can catch ALL American terrorists via background check, and we've missed -and caught later - about the same amount since 9/11 as the ones that committed suicide as they killed thousands.

I do not. Offered the choice of dealing strictly with American terrorists, or dealing with American terrorists PLUS terrorists worldwide, I'll choose option one. How 'bout you?

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2016 21:17:14 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:14:59 GMT -5 @hickle said:

The closer we get to open borders the freer we are. . Big government is wrong and government to telling people where they can and cannot live is big government.  Don't hate on freedom. Our rights are given to us by our creator, not by government. Government only denies them or protects them.

I don't see how a country could have safety nor sovereignty without borders and controlled immigration.

  The rights we have were given enough to us by our Creator.  I do not think that is border related.

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 21:22:22 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:17:14 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

I don't see how a country could have safety nor sovereignty without borders and controlled immigration.

  The rights we have were given enough to us by our Creator.  I do not think that is border related.

I understand where you're coming from, but what would that look like. Anarchy? One World Government?

Would you be cool with Chiver and I coming over and tromping through your home without your knowledge or consent?

[chiver78]

Apr 21, 2016 21:20:32 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:18:13 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

you make the assumption that you can catch ALL American terrorists via background check, and we've missed -and caught later - about the same amount since 9/11 as the ones that committed suicide as they killed thousands.

I do not. Offered the choice of dealing strictly with American terrorists, or dealing with American terrorists PLUS terrorists worldwide, I'll choose option one. How 'bout you?

I'll choose welcoming immigrant neighbors who are productive members of society, even if it means adding to the list of potential criminals and terrorists. this country was built on immigrants, and it won't continue to survive without more.

[gregintenn]

Apr 21, 2016 21:26:55 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:20:32 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

I do not. Offered the choice of dealing strictly with American terrorists, or dealing with American terrorists PLUS terrorists worldwide, I'll choose option one. How 'bout you?

I'll choose welcoming immigrant neighbors who are productive members of society, even if it means adding to the list of potential criminals and terrorists. this country was built on immigrants, and it won't continue to survive without more.

I'm good with that after the proper vetting process. We've a way to legally become a citizen here. One could make the argument it needs a bit of tweaking.

It's the ILLEGAL immigrant I have a problem with. This is an invasion and a violation of our law.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Apr 21, 2016 21:18:30 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:16:20 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

How the hell do you get that out of my statement? I said nothing about letting anyone in. 

If you aren't saying that, and you aren't saying illegal immigrants are better than American citizens, what does your post mean?

You really have an imagination. I was saying I think Americans have killed more of us then immigrants have, but it's my opinion since I didn't research it. Has nothing to do with the issue of immigration. Good people are good to everyone. 

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2016 21:23:58 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Apr 21, 2016 21:22:22 GMT -5 @hickle said:

  The rights we have were given enough to us by our Creator.  I do not think that is border related.

I understand where you're coming from, but what would that look like. Anarchy? One World Government?

Would you be cool with Chiver and I coming over and tromping through your home without your knowledge or consent?

Private property rights are different from government laws.