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Post by mmhmm on Jan 21, 2016 16:36:54 GMT -5
I do hope, shanendoah, you'll keep us apprised of developments in this situation. It is an interesting dilemma for the two people finding it facing them, and for you. I'll be interested to learn how things are going as they progress.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jan 21, 2016 16:50:17 GMT -5
"When I said my parents let me be a boy, I mean, they let me do stereo typically boy activities as a child and didn't try to get me to make female friends at the many times when I had none. They let me act like a boy from a gender/cultural perspective, but I always looked like a girl and was fine with that. They were against gender specific toys for their own reasons unrelated to my birth defect"
As a parent to 2 young kids (a boy, 6 today and girl, 3), it really doesn't occur to me to enforce or not enforce "gender rolls". Being that I'm an engineer and my DH is a stay at home dad, probably plays into that some. Both kids use the play kitchen. DD has trucks and dolls (although she likes the trucks more). If she had her way, she would wear a tiarra and go play in the mud. Some days she wants a frilly dress, some days her brother's hand me downs. DS on the other hand isn't terribly interested in dolls, but he loves the toy kitchen. Basically, I don't feel there is much that is only boy or only girl in our house. DS has female friends, if he only had female friends, I can't see myself worrying about it. He has days he only wants to play with the girls in the neighborhood. I don't see a problem with that. We don't exactly meet any stereotype, so why would I push my kids to?
I guess my point is that I wonder if your parents would have raised you the same if you had been born "normal" (for lack of a better word)? Because your description other than the absolute refusal to buy gender specific items, isn't out of the ordinary? Also, what did they consider gender specific? Dolls, trucks, Lego's? I'm having a hard time with this because as a society it is considered OK for girl to play with trucks, but dolls are considered gender specific.
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Post by honeysalt on Jan 21, 2016 17:02:57 GMT -5
I think they would have raised me the same regardless. I get that their approach is normal for today's standards. When I was a kid 30 years ago in a rural area with no major cities around, gender roles were pretty strict. Playing with boys exclusively is part of what led to being picked on for a couple of years by girls. You people and parents today thankfully aren't nearly as hung up on rigid roles, in fact most of them seem to be interested in expanding them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 21, 2016 17:07:17 GMT -5
I haven't really read a whole lot about behavioral ecology since college but if you google bonobo papers there is quite a bit of documented research regarding their sexuality. Bonobos engage regularly in non-reproductive sex and masturbation. They even, especially the females, engage in homosexual relationships (which are obviously not for reproduction). Clownfish are all born male and change into a female if there is a need for one. Sounds awfully similar to transgenderism but we can't ask the male fish if he "feels" female or not. www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/08/clownfish-are-all-born-male-a-dominant-male-will-turn-female-when-the-current-female-of-the-group-dies/Sex is fluid among some species of fish and wildlife. It's not as fixed as we humans like to think it is.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 21, 2016 17:19:12 GMT -5
I think they would have raised me the same regardless. I get that their approach is normal for today's standards. When I was a kid 30 years ago in a rural area with no major cities around, gender roles were pretty strict. Playing with boys exclusively is part of what led to being picked on for a couple of years by girls. You people and parents today thankfully aren't nearly as hung up on rigid roles, in fact most of them seem to be interested in expanding them. I can't say enough how much I appreciate your posts. I honestly try to avoid people who are different from me in whatever way. Not because i dislike or fear them, it is because I wouldn't know what to say that wouldn't offend them. You make me comfortable talking to you, because I don't feel like something I say or ask would inadvertently offend you. I wish more people were like this.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jan 21, 2016 17:29:50 GMT -5
I think they would have raised me the same regardless. I get that their approach is normal for today's standards. When I was a kid 30 years ago in a rural area with no major cities around, gender roles were pretty strict. Playing with boys exclusively is part of what led to being picked on for a couple of years by girls. You people and parents today thankfully aren't nearly as hung up on rigid roles, in fact most of them seem to be interested in expanding them. Incidentally, I am of a similar age and grew up in a very rural area. But I can see the only playing with one gender unusual. If my son decided he didn't want to be friends with the girls on the street, I would be concerned. I appreciate you taking the time to share with us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 17:30:54 GMT -5
I have always looked feminine. Everyone assumed I was a girl. When I said my parents let me be a boy, I mean, they let me do stereo typically boy activities as a child and didn't try to get me to make female friends at the many times when I had none. They let me act like a boy from a gender/cultural perspective, but I always looked like a girl and was fine with that. They were against gender specific toys for their own reasons unrelated to my birth defect. Thanks for the clarification! I was raised in the 1950s and there were some distinctions in our family (the boys built car and airplane models and the girls had dolls) but we all played with Tinkertoys and Lincoln Logs and had bicycles. Sometimes I swear things haven't changed when I walk through the toy section of a store.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 21, 2016 17:44:50 GMT -5
You say it's a mental issue, but then want to treat it as a physical issue. If the birth defect was a stunted limb, to use your example, what you are proposing is the equivalent of treating it with brain surgery. Mental and physical illnesses aren't mutually exclusive. Depression is a common mental illness. It is usually caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain which can often be corrected through the use of antidepressant medication. Is that not also a physical solution to a "mental issue"? I . If there weren't physical components to mental illness, then medications would never work. My issue is the focus of the problem being on the genitals and not the brain. Seems like the problem starts in the brain, and the most direct treatment would be in the brain--hormonally or whatever. I dont know, but what doctors dont know is a whole lot. Gender reassignment just seems like a band-aid solution.
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Post by honeysalt on Jan 21, 2016 17:50:56 GMT -5
I think they would have raised me the same regardless. I get that their approach is normal for today's standards. When I was a kid 30 years ago in a rural area with no major cities around, gender roles were pretty strict. Playing with boys exclusively is part of what led to being picked on for a couple of years by girls. You people and parents today thankfully aren't nearly as hung up on rigid roles, in fact most of them seem to be interested in expanding them. Incidentally, I am of a similar age and grew up in a very rural area. But I can see the only playing with one gender unusual. If my son decided he didn't want to be friends with the girls on the street, I would be concerned. I appreciate you taking the time to share with us. It wasn't that I didn't want to play with girls, they just thought I was weird. Also, I didn't just play with the boys, I got into physical fights with them. Sometimes I got beat up, sometimes I beat them up. Fighting seems to be a bigger deal today. I didn't fight more often than boys in my neighborhood, but people tend to get freaked out by a girl fighting with a boy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 17:55:14 GMT -5
honey what psychological factors do you think are the woman and which ones do you think are the man? I'm really curious what you think belongs with a penis and what belongs with a vagina.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 21, 2016 18:12:41 GMT -5
shanendoah : I've resented individuals on occasion, mainly due to their promulgating ideas or engaging in behaviour I consider immoral. To some people, resentment is sufficient to constitute hatred, but hatred is fundamentally the desire to see evil befall an individual or the unwillingness to forgive an individual if they repent. (I specifically use the word 'evil' rather than 'harm' here because we must also consider justice, and justice is rarely meted out without some form of harm. Wanting a thief locked away, a serial killer executed, or a rampaging gunman taken down doesn't necessarily constitute hatred, for example.) Hating others is soundly condemned by scripture. Hatred is a vice that no Christian should indulge in. Like all people, I have to guard against hateful thoughts. I've been blessed to never have been hurt by any individual or group to the extent that I found it difficult to purge hateful thoughts, but I'm susceptible like everyone else. Having said this, I openly hate certain ideas, attitudes, and behaviours. I strive to hate evil, which is sin and lawlessness. Not only is hating evil permitted by scripture, it's a requirement for all Christians. The Divine Family of scripture has no use for Christians that practice, countenance, or (in some cases) even tolerate evil. Many of the factors (ideas, attitudes, behaviours) that I hate I'm sure you also hate. Murder. Suicide. Rape. Theft. Negligence. Some of the factors that I hate you don't hate. Likewise, some of the factors that you hate I don't hate. Hatred of factors can manifest in a variety of ways: indignation, intolerance, condemnation of the factor, condemnation of individuals who practice or promulgate the factor, a lack of sympathy for such individuals, a desire to see the factor prohibited or stopped, even condemnation of those who tolerate the factor. Hatred of factors certainly can lead to hatred of individuals, but not necessarily so. More importantly, it's a Christian's duty to hate evil. In some cases, in the appropriate situations, this means manifesting that hatred in the aforementioned ways. Do I exhibit a characteristic lack of empathy when discussing factors I consider evil? Yes. Do I exhibit a characteristic intransigence in my positions on moral issues? Yes. Do I value others' opinions on moral and ethical matters? No, if the matters are covered by scripture. Yes, otherwise. On this board, I'd say the issues split about 50/50. Have satirical comments blown up in my face? Yes, on many occasions. Most importantly: Have I ever wantonly expressed hated of an individual or group of individuals on this board? Perhaps inadvertently. Perhaps satirically. Perhaps by making a statement without realizing how others would interpret it. Perhaps by neglecting to emphasize the distinction between hatred of factors and hatred of individuals. But deliberately, no.
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Post by honeysalt on Jan 21, 2016 18:14:27 GMT -5
honey what psychological factors do you think are the woman and which ones do you think are the man? I'm really curious what you think belongs with a penis and what belongs with a vagina. Honestly, I have no idea. I think men and women are more alike than they are different. To me, male and female psychological differences are more about hormones than genitals. I get hormone spikes. Sometimes my T levels spike, which triggers my system to level things out with an estrogen spike. There are positive and negative cognitive and emotional responses when spikes in either andgrogenic or estrogenic hormones occur for me. However, since we are talking about unusual hormone levels in a person who doesn't represent men or women, those experiences don't give me a lot of insight into what is more typically male or female.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 21, 2016 18:18:03 GMT -5
Clownfish are all born male and change into a female if there is a need for one. Sounds awfully similar to transgenderism but we can't ask the male fish if he "feels" female or not. Many mammalian species massacre their siblings' offspring on a whim. Chimpanzees, for no deducible reason, sometimes grab their infant offspring and beat them to death against tree trunks. Some insects devour their mates after copulating. Male ducks violently "rape" female ducks in order to reproduce. As beautiful as the animal kingdom is, looking to other species to determine what is and isn't acceptable, natural behaviour for human beings is not a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 18:26:38 GMT -5
honey what psychological factors do you think are the woman and which ones do you think are the man? I'm really curious what you think belongs with a penis and what belongs with a vagina. Honestly, I have no idea. I think men and women are more alike than they are different.
To me, male and female psychological differences are more about hormones than genitals. I get hormone spikes. Sometimes my T levels spike, which triggers my system to level things out with an estrogen spike. There are positive and negative cognitive and emotional responses when spikes in either andgrogenic or estrogenic hormones occur for me. However, since we are talking about unusual hormone levels in a person who doesn't represent men or women, those experiences don't give me a lot of insight into what is more typically male or female. Since gender is a societal construct, that even varies between cultures from what you tell me, how does someone say my mind is the opposite of my body? I understand you have hormonal imbalances that you need to have alleviated in order to function well, I understand that transgender people can have the same thing. I don't understand how cutting off boobs or a penis corrects this.
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Post by Formerly SK on Jan 21, 2016 18:55:14 GMT -5
I think it'd be great if we could move past rigid gender constructs, many of which have been debunked in science for a LONG time. But I also don't fault people for wanting to fit in either, it's human nature to want to fit in with others. IMO if you've done your homework and you're determine to go thru with reassignment surgery why should I stop you? I can disagree with it but at the end of the day they are the ones that have to live in their body and with their decisions. What right do I have to decide what is best for them? That should be between them, their doctors and/or therapists. I haven't said anything about making the decision for them.
I did some googling and as someone else mentioned earlier it is only a small percentage of transgender that want surgery. Out of the percentage that have surgery 50% are still unhappy enough to commit suicide. To me that is a big indication that the body isn't the issue.
Or maybe they can't get a job because they don't "pass." Or maybe they can't get an apartment. Or maybe they were assaulted on the street the other day. Or their family doesn't accept them. Honestly there are 1000s of reasons a trans person could commit suicide. You can be quite happy with your body and still kill yourself.
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Post by honeysalt on Jan 21, 2016 19:02:41 GMT -5
Honestly, I have no idea. I think men and women are more alike than they are different.
To me, male and female psychological differences are more about hormones than genitals. I get hormone spikes. Sometimes my T levels spike, which triggers my system to level things out with an estrogen spike. There are positive and negative cognitive and emotional responses when spikes in either andgrogenic or estrogenic hormones occur for me. However, since we are talking about unusual hormone levels in a person who doesn't represent men or women, those experiences don't give me a lot of insight into what is more typically male or female. Since gender is a societal construct, that even varies between cultures from what you tell me, how does someone say my mind is the opposite of my body? I understand you have hormonal imbalances that you need to have alleviated in order to function well, I understand that transgender people can have the same thing. I don't understand how cutting off boobs or a penis corrects this. When I referred to male and female, I was talking about sex, the biological side of things, not gender, the cultural side of things. Since I think psychology is a combination of biology and culture, I left that alone. My hormone spikes only happen 1 or 2 times a year and last about 10 days. While I could go go my endocrinologist to get them corrected, I usually just ride it out since it. I can't tell when I am having a T spike, but I am very aware of my estrogen spikes because my breasts go from a size C to a DD. Since I am lean, I look completely out of proportion. Normally, I am very comfortable with my body. When my estrogen spikes, I am not. At all. Normally I am confident and emotionally stable. When my estrogen spikes, I am weepy and don't feel comfortable in my brain, emotional state or skin (not saying this is the reaction that estrogen causes for the typical female). If this change were permanent, I would absolutely get my breasts reduced, and I have no doubt that I would feel better afterwards. When people don't feel good, they will typically do whatever they can to feel better.
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Post by shanendoah on Jan 21, 2016 19:07:23 GMT -5
Virgil Showlion - I am not trying to say you are a hateful person. Nor am I trying to say that you meant that remark (and I honestly don't even remember the exact remark, just my emotional reaction to it) in a hateful way. In fact, I am not even saying that if I saw that remark today that I would find it hateful. I just remember that on that day, I was truly upset by the comment. But I do also remember that you put an "ignore" on yourself for me, which I appreciated. And again, since I have been able to see your posts again, I have never had the same kind of emotional reaction. I am perfectly willing to believe it was unintentional on your part and/or that something had happened in my life around that time that made me more sensitive. The point I was trying to make, (and I apologize if you felt I was doing it at your expense, that was not my intention) was that I don't choose to "ignore" people simply because we disagree on things, even things I feel strongly about.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 21, 2016 19:14:21 GMT -5
Virgil Showlion - I am not trying to say you are a hateful person. Nor am I trying to say that you meant that remark (and I honestly don't even remember the exact remark, just my emotional reaction to it) in a hateful way. In fact, I am not even saying that if I saw that remark today that I would find it hateful. I just remember that on that day, I was truly upset by the comment. But I do also remember that you put an "ignore" on yourself for me, which I appreciated. And again, since I have been able to see your posts again, I have never had the same kind of emotional reaction. I am perfectly willing to believe it was unintentional on your part and/or that something had happened in my life around that time that made me more sensitive. The point I was trying to make, (and I apologize if you felt I was doing it at your expense, that was not my intention) was that I don't choose to "ignore" people simply because we disagree on things, even things I feel strongly about. I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure Virgil Showlion understands where you're coming from. He might not agree, but I think he endeavors to understand. Virgil and I clash often. We're just very different people even though we share many values. We come at life from different angles. That doesn't mean he's a bad person and it doesn't mean I'm a bad person. We're just different people. I like Virgil and I respect him as a person even if I don't agree with his stance on many things. He's loyal to his beliefs and stands for them with integrity and honesty. That, to me, is all anyone could ask. I'd hope he feels the same about me. People can disagree and still care about each other and respect one another's right to march to different drummers.
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How can you be so sure you would feel better? From how you describe this your estrogen level is distorting your perception of the world and that is what is causing your angst. How would altering your body fix your estrogen levels? I'm really curious of your reasoning on this, I don't know how to soften up the wording.
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Post by honeysalt on Jan 21, 2016 19:36:21 GMT -5
How can you be so sure you would feel better? From how you describe this your estrogen level is distorting your perception of the world and that is what is causing your angst. How would altering your body fix your estrogen levels? I'm really curious of your reasoning on this, I don't know how to soften up the wording. No need to soften your words, they don't seem harsh to me. I agree breast reduction wouldn't solve everything. My mind and emotional state would still be uncomfortable, but I would feel more physically comfortable. I know that disliking my breasts when they are that large is not about estrogen because I would hate to have breasts that large right now, with normal hormone levels for me. Also, my feelings about my body in general don't change when my breasts swell. I still like my body overall, I only feel uncomfortable with the enlarged breasts. Since I am a size 0-2, it doesn't look or feel natural for my frame. Getting them reduced would alleviate the back pain it causes as well as the stares and awkward questions (women at the gym have asked me where I got my breasts done in the locker room when they swell like that). Also, I am an avid runner and getting them reduced would make my hobby more enjoyable.
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Post by Formerly SK on Jan 21, 2016 19:46:09 GMT -5
Tens of thousands of people get plastic surgery every year to feel better about themselves. I've personally had several laser sessions to improve my complexion, and this makes me happy. Am I mentally unsound because I'm happier with a better complexion? I dunno. Are people mentally unsound if they dye their grey hair? What about botox? Where's the line, because this seems to be an opinion argument vs some universal definition.
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Post by quince on Jan 21, 2016 20:03:15 GMT -5
People with PCOS often do not like the additional hair the hormonal issues can cause. They do often treat the hormonal issues, but they also often get laser hair removal, wax, or shave, because even if the hormonal issue is treated, they are uncomfortable with the physical side effects.
Women who are extra hairy just because of GENETICS often get laser hair removal, wax, or shave.
Hell, women who are slightly hairy because MAMMAL often get laser hair removal, wax, or shave.
The hair removal is because they find themselves more comfortable without the hair. The discomfort could be caused because of social influences, or because they actually feel physically better with smooth skin (there are cis/het guys who groom body hair, which is not generally socially smiled upon, so yes, body hair grooming does not have to be due to social pressure.) It is MUCH EASIER to change yourself than to change the world, and that can include superficial cosmetic changes or more sweeping behavioral or surgical changes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 20:08:09 GMT -5
Tens of thousands of people get plastic surgery every year to feel better about themselves. I've personally had several laser sessions to improve my complexion, and this makes me happy. Am I mentally unsound because I'm happier with a better complexion? I dunno. Are people mentally unsound if they dye their grey hair? What about botox? Where's the line, because this seems to be an opinion argument vs some universal definition. Does it make you feel better to know that I do think that people that need to cut up their faces to feel better about themselves have problems? The same with people that inject poison into their face. Hair dying and laser sessions are similar to makeup or clothing, not a permanent alteration to the physical being so it isn't the same. I don't know exactly where the line is, but it's somewhere between dying your hair and going under the knife.
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How can you be so sure you would feel better? From how you describe this your estrogen level is distorting your perception of the world and that is what is causing your angst. How would altering your body fix your estrogen levels? I'm really curious of your reasoning on this, I don't know how to soften up the wording. No need to soften your words, they don't seem harsh to me. I agree breast reduction wouldn't solve everything. My mind and emotional state would still be uncomfortable, but I would feel more physically comfortable. I know that disliking my breasts when they are that large is not about estrogen because I would hate to have breasts that large right now, with normal hormone levels for me. Also, my feelings about my body in general don't change when my breasts swell. I still like my body overall, I only feel uncomfortable with the enlarged breasts. Since I am a size 0-2, it doesn't look or feel natural for my frame. Getting them reduced would alleviate the back pain it causes as well as the stares and awkward questions (women at the gym have asked me where I got my breasts done in the locker room when they swell like that). Also, I am an avid runner and getting them reduced would make my hobby more enjoyable. Have you seen the commercial, I think it's from Dove, about most women having an "I hate my body moment" every day? A lot of what you're saying seems similar to that. Would the treatment for the estrogen levels result in your breast size reducing, or not enlarging as the case may be?
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Post by honeysalt on Jan 21, 2016 20:37:57 GMT -5
No need to soften your words, they don't seem harsh to me. I agree breast reduction wouldn't solve everything. My mind and emotional state would still be uncomfortable, but I would feel more physically comfortable. I know that disliking my breasts when they are that large is not about estrogen because I would hate to have breasts that large right now, with normal hormone levels for me. Also, my feelings about my body in general don't change when my breasts swell. I still like my body overall, I only feel uncomfortable with the enlarged breasts. Since I am a size 0-2, it doesn't look or feel natural for my frame. Getting them reduced would alleviate the back pain it causes as well as the stares and awkward questions (women at the gym have asked me where I got my breasts done in the locker room when they swell like that). Also, I am an avid runner and getting them reduced would make my hobby more enjoyable. Have you seen the commercial, I think it's from Dove, about most women having an "I hate my body moment" every day? A lot of what you're saying seems similar to that. Would the treatment for the estrogen levels result in your breast size reducing, or not enlarging as the case may be? Yes, I am aware that most women think that way about their body. No, it isn't the estrogen that causes me to dislike one specific body part that causes me physical pain and social awkwardness, but still feel great about the rest of my body. Yes, I can get treatment for the estrogen spikes, and yes it reduces my breast size. However, it took me 30 years to have my access to the right medical treatment and diagnosis even though my condition is a recognized completely medical diagnosis. I am lucky to finally have that. Prior to that, I was misdiagnosed for most of my life. In high school, my hormonal earthquake caused me to be diagnosed with depression. In college, I became very underweight (biological, I have to eat a lot and weigh myself daily to stay a healthy weight, I didn't know this at the time). Concerned, I went to a doctor who tested my thyroid, said it was normal and referred me to a therapist who diagnosed me with an eating disorder even though I didn't want to lose weight or be underweight. They told me that since there was no medical explanation for my condition, it was mental. There is a very simple medical explanation, they just weren't thorough enough to find it. I saw my GP about my swollen breasts, he said it was PMS. All of these people knew I had genital surgery. Surgeries are part of intake forms. My label is recognized by the scientific and medical community. None of them figured it out. Since I was psychologically treated for things that should have been addressed medically, with all of this evidence and a known diagnosis, I naturally have a different stance on the intersection between medicine, biology and psychology. Having said that, having a therapist who is knowledgeable about sexual difference is a blessing for any sexually different person. My therapist has also served as my medical advocate and has called my medical doctors to educate them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 20:55:20 GMT -5
honeysalt, a while back (I don't remember what thread), I wanted to tell you that I enjoy reading your posts, so I guess this is as good a time as any to say it. You express your opinion in such a thoughtful and graceful way...... I wish you would post more. Your patience and grace with answering the questions in this thread and sharing about yourself and your experiences is awesome. If IRL, you're anything like your posts here read, you're one classy person. Not that an anonymous person on a message board's opinon means anything in the grand scheme of things, those are just my thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 20:55:24 GMT -5
Now you're just being mean!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 21:05:17 GMT -5
On a serious note, that would be the first problem I'd look to solve.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 21, 2016 22:12:11 GMT -5
Tens of thousands of people get plastic surgery every year to feel better about themselves. I've personally had several laser sessions to improve my complexion, and this makes me happy. Am I mentally unsound because I'm happier with a better complexion? I dunno. Are people mentally unsound if they dye their grey hair? What about botox? Where's the line, because this seems to be an opinion argument vs some universal definition. I take spironolactone (a diuretic) because of its anti-androgen properties. My chin would be full of painful cysts without it. In a very, very small way, my internal and external happiness is dependent on masking what my body does naturally.
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taz157
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Post by taz157 on Jan 21, 2016 22:42:01 GMT -5
honeysalt, a while back (I don't remember what thread), I wanted to tell you that I enjoy reading your posts, so I guess this is as good a time as any to say it. You express your opinion in such a thoughtful and graceful way...... I wish you would post more. Your patience and grace with answering the questions in this thread and sharing about yourself and your experiences is awesome. If IRL, you're anything like your posts here read, you're one classy person. Not that an anonymous person on a message board's opinon means anything in the grand scheme of things, those are just my thoughts. Yeah that. Very well stated @pinkcshmere!
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