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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 10:26:28 GMT -5
Virgil, just out curiosity--you appear vehemently opposed to the lottery and feel anyone who buys even 1 ticket is a total fool. I have no problem with that, but I do wonder....if Mrs. Virgil had bought a ticket, and if she had been a big winner, how would you handle that? How would you avoid benefitting from her foolishness in wasting $2 on a ticket? Or if a relative won and wanted to share the wealth with you? I'd have to turn the money down. The winner could spend it as they saw fit. There's a bit of gray area there. For example: would I turn down a pricier-than-usual birthday gift from a relative? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost gourmet meal? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost family cruise? It depends. I wouldn't want to cut a family member out of my life. I'd probably consult the ministry of my church for advice or for a judgment. I'm not making a moral case against playing the lottery in this thread. I'm just pointing out that it's a waste of money. I know people experience a brief high when purchasing or checking a ticket, but I'd argue there are ways of experiencing better highs for longer for the cost of a lottery ticket. It's an academic argument. Get people to think and question their rituals. Personally, I would see donating or consulting with a religious organization a waste of time and money with no academic return on investment. But that is just it, I see it that way and you don't, you get something out of it and I don't have to understand it for you to do so.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 11, 2016 10:28:40 GMT -5
You just don't get it Virgil, we know/understand the odds and don't care. I'm sure if we had a list of your 2015 expenditures we could find some irrational purchases that you enjoy but for us would have no meaning and that is perfectly fine, if a person can afford their bills they can spend their extra money as they see fit despite the odds of a return. I threw $10 in the state slots yesterday while waiting on a pizza and won, $310, so boom, there is another 155 powerball tix for next drawing if I so choose! Nobody is saying you can't buy a lottery ticket. Nobody is saying you shouldn't spend money on things you enjoy. What I am saying is that if you enjoy buying lottery tickets because of the high you get from the potential of winning, then it's either a potent high, in which case you lack a rational perception of what your odds are, or it isn't a potent high, in which case there are many other things you can blow $2.00 on that will net you more overall enjoyment. Those are the only two options. This community prides itself on being rational and money-wise, and that's who the message is for. Oh dear, I didn't realize you were talking about getting a high from buying the ticket. Well, you are way off base on that one for me personally. I just walk in tell em to pick my numbers and hand over the $2 bucks. I didn't even check to see if I had a winner until sometime Sunday and had to go online to check for winning numbers. I'm down $2 bucks this year and am not comtemplating suicide from my losses. As for getting high there are much better ways but it cost more than $2 bucks
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 11, 2016 10:31:52 GMT -5
Nobody is saying you can't buy a lottery ticket. Nobody is saying you shouldn't spend money on things you enjoy. What I am saying is that if you enjoy buying lottery tickets because of the high you get from the potential of winning, then it's either a potent high, in which case you lack a rational perception of what your odds are, or it isn't a potent high, in which case there are many other things you can blow $2.00 on that will net you more overall enjoyment. Those are the only two options. This community prides itself on being rational and money-wise, and that's who the message is for. Oh dear, I didn't realize you were talking about getting a high from buying the ticket. Well, you are way off base on that one for me personally. I just walk in tell em to pick my numbers and hand over the $2 bucks. I didn't even check to see if I had a winner until sometime Sunday and had to go online to check for winning numbers. I'm down $2 bucks this year and am not comtemplating suicide from my losses. As for getting high there are much better ways but it cost more than $2 bucks So why buy it? Do you just feel like you have to because of the amount?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 11, 2016 10:42:15 GMT -5
I'd have to turn the money down. The winner could spend it as they saw fit. There's a bit of gray area there. For example: would I turn down a pricier-than-usual birthday gift from a relative? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost gourmet meal? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost family cruise? It depends. I wouldn't want to cut a family member out of my life. I'd probably consult the ministry of my church for advice or for a judgment. I'm not making a moral case against playing the lottery in this thread. I'm just pointing out that it's a waste of money. I know people experience a brief high when purchasing or checking a ticket, but I'd argue there are ways of experiencing better highs for longer for the cost of a lottery ticket. It's an academic argument. Get people to think and question their rituals. I guess I'm a little confused? Why would you turn down the money or trip, etc? Because Christians aren't supposed to gamble, and it would be hypocritical of me to avail myself of the benefits of somebody else's gambling. As I say, some judgments need to be made on a case-by-case basis. For example, maybe a community center in my neighbourhood is 50% financed by the proceeds of a provincial lottery. Do I refuse to use the center because of how it was financed, or do I use it anyway? If I do use it, it's very difficult to rebut a charge such as, "You say you're against gambling, but you're partying it up at your cheap, lotto-subsidized community center. Obviously gambling isn't bad enough that you won't embrace it when you're getting a little cut. How is that not hypocrisy?" If I don't use it, I may not have any other reasonable options. There may not be a community center in the entire city that isn't partly funded through lottery proceeds. Or maybe there's an aerobics class that's only offered at this one community center. Is it sensible to avoid use a perfectly good venue just to eschew hypocrisy? Do I take things that far? That's why it has to be a case-by-case judgment. Know what you're doing and why.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 11, 2016 10:50:16 GMT -5
Oh dear, I didn't realize you were talking about getting a high from buying the ticket. Well, you are way off base on that one for me personally. I just walk in tell em to pick my numbers and hand over the $2 bucks. I didn't even check to see if I had a winner until sometime Sunday and had to go online to check for winning numbers. I'm down $2 bucks this year and am not comtemplating suicide from my losses. As for getting high there are much better ways but it cost more than $2 bucks So why buy it? Do you just feel like you have to because of the amount? I only buy tickets when I get close to FL - going to Gulf, shopping at nearby outlets. From my door to the first place that sells tickets is about an hour. I never get up and say I'm going to buy tickets today. I have a reason to be close to FL line. I bought two last year. The amount has nothing to do with it at all. Heck, the largest amount I've won at one time is $1,500 and trust me I haven't spent $1,500 on tickets in all the years it's been available. I've done much better on the slots over the years Kinda like going to the Casinos. Have out of town friends who like to go so I head out with them when they are in town. I have a set amount to gamble with - it's gone I quit. A friend calls up and says "hey I'm headed to buy tickets, wanna go - yep I'll go. But I don't get a big rush/high out of either. Just something to do at the moment. I win, I win, I lose, I lose no big thing. Hell, I've spent more on a movie and thought well crap that was a big waste of money.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 11, 2016 10:53:08 GMT -5
I guess I'm a little confused? Why would you turn down the money or trip, etc? Because Christians aren't supposed to gamble, and it would be hypocritical of me to avail myself of the benefits of somebody else's gambling. As I say, some judgments need to be made on a case-by-case basis. For example, maybe a community center in my neighbourhood is 50% financed by the proceeds of a provincial lottery. Do I refuse to use the center because of how it was financed, or do I use it anyway? If I do use it, it's very difficult to rebut a charge such as, "You say you're against gambling, but you're partying it up at your cheap, lotto-subsidized community center. Obviously gambling isn't bad enough that you won't embrace it when you're getting a little cut. How is that not hypocrisy?" If I don't use it, I may not have any other reasonable options. There may not be a community center in the entire city that isn't partly funded through lottery proceeds. Or maybe there's an aerobics class that's only offered at this one community center. Is it sensible to avoid use a perfectly good venue just to eschew hypocrisy? Do I take things that far? That's why it has to be a case-by-case judgment. Know what you're doing and why. It's call selective cherry picking
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 11, 2016 10:55:12 GMT -5
So why buy it? Do you just feel like you have to because of the amount? I only buy tickets when I get close to FL - going to Gulf, shopping at nearby outlets. From my door to the first place that sells tickets is about an hour. I never get up and say I'm going to buy tickets today. I have a reason to be close to FL line. I bought two last year. The amount has nothing to do with it at all. Heck, the largest amount I've won at one time is $1,500 and trust me I haven't spent $1,500 on tickets in all the years it's been available. I've done much better on the slots over the years Kinda like going to the Casinos. Have out of town friends who like to go so I head out with them when they are in town. I have a set amount to gamble with - it's gone I quit. A friend calls up and says "hey I'm headed to buy tickets, wanna go - yep I'll go. But I don't get a big rush/high out of either. Just something to do at the moment. I win, I win, I lose, I lose no big thing. Hell, I've spent more on a movie and thought well crap that was a big waste of money. So it is like a really, really crappy part time job?
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 11, 2016 11:03:55 GMT -5
I only buy tickets when I get close to FL - going to Gulf, shopping at nearby outlets. From my door to the first place that sells tickets is about an hour. I never get up and say I'm going to buy tickets today. I have a reason to be close to FL line. I bought two last year. The amount has nothing to do with it at all. Heck, the largest amount I've won at one time is $1,500 and trust me I haven't spent $1,500 on tickets in all the years it's been available. I've done much better on the slots over the years Kinda like going to the Casinos. Have out of town friends who like to go so I head out with them when they are in town. I have a set amount to gamble with - it's gone I quit. A friend calls up and says "hey I'm headed to buy tickets, wanna go - yep I'll go. But I don't get a big rush/high out of either. Just something to do at the moment. I win, I win, I lose, I lose no big thing. Hell, I've spent more on a movie and thought well crap that was a big waste of money. So it is like a really, really crappy part time job? Have to take your word for it. I've never worked a part time job. And as we all know I'm eating cat food in my retirement - maybe just trying to upgrade the brand if I should win
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 11, 2016 11:14:36 GMT -5
So it is like a really, really crappy part time job? Have to take your word for it. I've never worked a part time job. And as we all know I'm eating cat food in my retirement - maybe just trying to upgrade the brand if I should win I really am curious. You don't do it for the entertainment thrill, you don't do it because you think you are going to win....
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 11, 2016 11:35:27 GMT -5
Have to take your word for it. I've never worked a part time job. And as we all know I'm eating cat food in my retirement - maybe just trying to upgrade the brand if I should win I really am curious. You don't do it for the entertainment thrill, you don't do it because you think you are going to win.... Ok, I'll try to explain. Someone says let's go buy a ticket I say OK just because. I don't jump in my car and head to FL just because the pot is in the millions. I go to casino because someone says" going to Casino wanna go". I don't jump in my car to drive 40 miles just to play the slots. If I win that's great but if I don't it's no big deal. I fully understand the odds against winning at either. It's like someone saying "wanna go to the movies" - yep and then find out the movie stunk but so be it. But will admit that I had a ball gambling in Vegas but I had money set aside in vacation fund for this purpose. Vegas was very good to me. But I'm not hopping a plane to go back just to gamble there either. It's something to do when the moment presents itself. But my friends don't understand my attitude about tickets and slots either so don't feel like the lone ranger. I just don't get a big rush when I win - heck I played so why shouldn't I win - heck I played so why shouldn't I lose!!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 11, 2016 12:13:51 GMT -5
Huh... so all those Catholic Bingo Playing Little Old Ladies TM aren't Christian? Interesting, I remember the bingo hall and pull tab/beer garden's almost single handedly financing my elementary school. Most Christian organizations teach that bingos, raffles, etc. are acceptable because technically no money is being risked. Their reasoning is that participants are ostensibly just donating to charity, and winning is just a nice bonus--it isn't the objective. Hence the act is fundamentally harmless, and good for the community to boot. Suffice it to say here that I don't subscribe to this reasoning. It breaks down quickly for a number of reasons. Is it unfortunate that churches aren't setting a better example for Christians to live by? Yes. Do I spend my weekends picketing old Catholic ladies' bingos? No.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 19:08:17 GMT -5
Does Canada have a lottery Virgil? I don't believed we have a national lottery, no. We do have more provincial and privately-run lotteries than you can shake a stick at. As DJ suggests, the government uses them to tax the poor. Speaking only for myself, I know exactly how long the odds are. I just don't care. The odds may be ALMOST impossible... but what are the odds of winning if you don't play at all? Hmmmm? Zero. But if you based other decisions on a binary "Is it possible or not?" rather than the probability of occurrence, your life would quickly descend into the absurd. Ignoring the odds is irrational. Who said anyone is IGNORING the odds though? I certainly am not. I'd bet there are a lot of other players that don't IGNORE them either. There's a difference between IGNORING and ACCEPTING.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 19:14:15 GMT -5
Yes. Ignoring the odds would be buying a ticket and then quitting your job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 19:15:28 GMT -5
I believe you underestimate the intelligence of some lottery players (I won't say there aren't SOME that fit that description though). Speaking only for myself, I know exactly how long the odds are. I just don't care. The odds may be ALMOST impossible... but what are the odds of winning if you don't play at all? Hmmmm? The odds are exactly same if you round to 8 digits right of the decimal point. Small flaw in your plan there, though... You are arguing the point against Virgil Showlion's argument of precision (EXACTLY how unlikely is it... EXACTLY?). Precise people don't round. And the precise non-rounded number will always be greater than ZERO. If you were arguing against most "lay people" they would say "long shot" (or some such other term for "unlikely, but possible, even if improbable")... and there's really no way to round "long shot" (or other term). So the term would stand "as is" and would always be greater than ZERO.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 11, 2016 19:16:46 GMT -5
The odds are exactly same if you round to 8 digits right of the decimal point. Small flaw in your plan there, though... You are arguing the point against Virgil Showlion's argument of precision (EXACTLY how unlikely is it... EXACTLY?). Precise people don't round. And the precise non-rounded number will always be greater than ZERO. If you were arguing against most "lay people" they would say "long shot" (or some such other term for "unlikely, but possible, even if improbable")... and there's really no way to round "long shot" (or other term). So the term would stand "as is" and would always be greater than ZERO. I don't round past 2 digits normally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 19:19:44 GMT -5
Virgil, just out curiosity--you appear vehemently opposed to the lottery and feel anyone who buys even 1 ticket is a total fool. I have no problem with that, but I do wonder....if Mrs. Virgil had bought a ticket, and if she had been a big winner, how would you handle that? How would you avoid benefitting from her foolishness in wasting $2 on a ticket? Or if a relative won and wanted to share the wealth with you? I'd have to turn the money down. The winner could spend it as they saw fit. There's a bit of gray area there. For example: would I turn down a pricier-than-usual birthday gift from a relative? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost gourmet meal? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost family cruise? It depends. I wouldn't want to cut a family member out of my life. I'd probably consult the ministry of my church for advice or for a judgment. I'm not making a moral case against playing the lottery in this thread. I'm just pointing out that it's a waste of money. I know people experience a brief high when purchasing or checking a ticket, but I'd argue there are ways of experiencing better highs for longer for the cost of a lottery ticket. It's an academic argument. Get people to think and question their rituals. But that's just it... it's NOT a waste of money to many people that play. It's a cheap way to have a little fun. And if they win... GREAT! But of they don't... no big deal. It's no different than buying a shot (or two) at a bar.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 19:29:35 GMT -5
Yes. Ignoring the odds would be buying a ticket and then quitting your job. Exactly. (I'm not quitting until AFTER I win the big pot!  
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I'd have to turn the money down. The winner could spend it as they saw fit. There's a bit of gray area there. For example: would I turn down a pricier-than-usual birthday gift from a relative? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost gourmet meal? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost family cruise? It depends. I wouldn't want to cut a family member out of my life. I'd probably consult the ministry of my church for advice or for a judgment. I'm not making a moral case against playing the lottery in this thread. I'm just pointing out that it's a waste of money. I know people experience a brief high when purchasing or checking a ticket, but I'd argue there are ways of experiencing better highs for longer for the cost of a lottery ticket. It's an academic argument. Get people to think and question their rituals. But that's just it... it's NOT a waste of money to many people that play. It's a cheap way to have a little fun. And if they win... GREAT! But of they don't... no big deal. It's no different than buying a shot (or two) at a bar. A couple shots at the bar used to lead to a few of us throwing a $20 in and buying scratchers, determine a walk away amount and continue to buy tix till the pot was empty. One time we had like 10 people go in and it took all of us about 4 hours to play it down, everyone had a lot of fun doing it and everyone walked away down $20.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 11, 2016 19:59:34 GMT -5
I'd have to turn the money down. The winner could spend it as they saw fit. There's a bit of gray area there. For example: would I turn down a pricier-than-usual birthday gift from a relative? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost gourmet meal? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost family cruise? It depends. I wouldn't want to cut a family member out of my life. I'd probably consult the ministry of my church for advice or for a judgment. I'm not making a moral case against playing the lottery in this thread. I'm just pointing out that it's a waste of money. I know people experience a brief high when purchasing or checking a ticket, but I'd argue there are ways of experiencing better highs for longer for the cost of a lottery ticket. It's an academic argument. Get people to think and question their rituals. But that's just it... it's NOT a waste of money to many people that play. It's a cheap way to have a little fun. And if they win... GREAT! But of they don't... no big deal. It's no different than buying a shot (or two) at a bar. If you have any significant amount of fun then (Reply #60) "...it's [...] a potent high, in which case you lack a rational perception of what your odds are". If you have a rational understanding of how unlikely you are to win, you won't experience any kind of a rush or thrill playing the lottery. It's tantamount to flushing with excitement every time you walk around a corner because there's a tiny probability your favourite celebrity will be on the other side. The reason you don't bubble over with excitement every time you reach a corner is because you have a rational understanding of how fantastically unlikely it is you'll meet a celebrity. You lack this understanding for lottery tickets. You know what the numbers are, but they lack meaning. If you're experiencing a thrill, your mind isn't "getting it". You might say, "Well, even if I'm getting a thrill for no good reason, it's still a thrill, right?" That's true. But I've also argued there are ways to get better, longer-lasting emotional highs for the same amount of money.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 20:03:17 GMT -5
I think it's a pretty obvious, and beneficial, fact that we don't all get our highs to the same magnitude from the same things...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 20:13:22 GMT -5
But that's just it... it's NOT a waste of money to many people that play. It's a cheap way to have a little fun. And if they win... GREAT! But of they don't... no big deal. It's no different than buying a shot (or two) at a bar. If you have any significant amount of fun then (Reply #60) "...it's [...] a potent high, in which case you lack a rational perception of what your odds are".If you have a rational understanding of how unlikely you are to win, you won't experience any kind of a rush or thrill playing the lottery. It's tantamount to flushing with excitement every time you walk around a corner because there's a tiny probability your favourite celebrity will be on the other side. The reason you don't bubble over with excitement every time you reach a corner is because you have a rational understanding of how fantastically unlikely it is you'll meet a celebrity. You lack this understanding for lottery tickets. You know what the numbers are, but they lack meaning. If you're experiencing a thrill, your mind isn't "getting it". You might say, "Well, even if I'm getting a thrill for no good reason, it's still a thrill, right?" That's true. But I've also argued there are ways to get better, longer-lasting emotional highs for the same amount of money. Wrong. Just because YOU can't see the harmless fun doesn't mean others can't. I have a great deal of fun, and I very well know I have a better shot at living quietly in my retirement years on the moon WITHOUT a pressurized habitat.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 11, 2016 20:24:57 GMT -5
The only way I'm going to get a potent high buying a lottery ticket is if it's rolled and I'm smoking it.
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Post by fishy999 on Jan 11, 2016 20:54:14 GMT -5
2 points: It isn't really gambling IMO- more like a raffle for charity- and people are not that dumb, they know the odds- and if it was the odds they were interested they would be at the casino playing blackjack. It is the enormous reward vs. small risk- $2 could yield a billion. Second- it is not a tax on the poor- taxes are not optional- at least for poor people
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 11, 2016 20:58:19 GMT -5
2 points: It isn't really gambling IMO- more like a raffle for charity- and people are not that dumb, they know the odds- and if it was the odds they were interested they would be at the casino playing blackjack. It is the enormous reward vs. small risk- $2 could yield a billion. Second- it is not a tax on the poor- taxes are not optional- at least for poor people Aside from a bit if sales tax, lottery tickets are about the ONLY tax most "poor" pay. People ARE that dumb. I've seen guys with a family at home cash their paycheck and buy it all in scratch off tickets.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 21:21:23 GMT -5
2 points: It isn't really gambling IMO- more like a raffle for charity- and people are not that dumb, they know the odds- and if it was the odds they were interested they would be at the casino playing blackjack. It is the enormous reward vs. small risk- $2 could yield a billion. Second- it is not a tax on the poor- taxes are not optional- at least for poor people Aside from a bit if sales tax, lottery tickets are about the ONLY tax most "poor" pay. People ARE that dumb. I've seen guys with a family at home cash their paycheck and buy it all in scratch off tickets. And those people are idiots. Those are NOT the players I am "defending".
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 11, 2016 21:23:43 GMT -5
If you have any significant amount of fun then (Reply #60) "...it's [...] a potent high, in which case you lack a rational perception of what your odds are".If you have a rational understanding of how unlikely you are to win, you won't experience any kind of a rush or thrill playing the lottery. It's tantamount to flushing with excitement every time you walk around a corner because there's a tiny probability your favourite celebrity will be on the other side. The reason you don't bubble over with excitement every time you reach a corner is because you have a rational understanding of how fantastically unlikely it is you'll meet a celebrity. You lack this understanding for lottery tickets. You know what the numbers are, but they lack meaning. If you're experiencing a thrill, your mind isn't "getting it". You might say, "Well, even if I'm getting a thrill for no good reason, it's still a thrill, right?" That's true. But I've also argued there are ways to get better, longer-lasting emotional highs for the same amount of money. Wrong. Just because YOU can't see the harmless fun doesn't mean others can't. I have a great deal of fun, and I very well know I have a better shot at living quietly in my retirement years on the moon WITHOUT a pressurized habitat. But why is it fun? Ask yourself that. Better still, if playing the Powerball is "fun" despite the infinitesimally small odds of winning, ask yourself why simply going through your daily routine isn't funner than a barrel full of monkeys? After all, you start your day by opening your mail. Your heart is pounding with excitement because this could be the day you get a letter saying one of your long lost relatives died and bequeathed you a $5 million inheritance. The chances of that happening are greater than you winning the Powerball. Then it's time to open the front door. Now things are getting really exciting. There's a chance you'll see a fiery car crash or a bear mauling your neighbour or a celebrity driving drunk. Newspapers and tabloids pay a mint for that kind of thing if you get it on camera, and the chances of that happening on any given morning is considerably more likely than you winning the Powerball. Quaking on an adrenaline high, you get into your car. What excitement will today bring? Will you get rear-ended by a millionaire who offers to pay you $800K to not file suit against him even though you're not injured? More likely than you winning the Powerball. Maybe you'll recognize a wanted criminal with a $150,000 bounty on his head and you'll phone in the winning tip. More likely than winning the Powerball. Maybe you'll be walking through the park, notice something glinting, and discover that it's buried treasure from the Civil War, or a gold vein, or a gemstone vein worth hundreds of millions, and you're entitled to a 5% finder's fee. More likely than winning the Powerball. Maybe this will be the day you come home and discover a message on your voicemail from the wealthy developer who wants to turn your block into a shopping mall and is willing to pay you 10 times the market value of your house to get you out ASAP. Still more likely than you winning the Powerball. Every day in your life must be a deliriously fun experience if you don't give a crap about the odds of something wonderful happening to you--if all that matters is whether the probability is greater than zero. And you don't even have to pay $2.00 per thrill.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 11, 2016 21:24:54 GMT -5
Aside from a bit if sales tax, lottery tickets are about the ONLY tax most "poor" pay. People ARE that dumb. I've seen guys with a family at home cash their paycheck and buy it all in scratch off tickets. And those people are idiots. Those are NOT the players I am "defending". I'm not condemning or defending anyone. I'm simply stating what I've seen. I don't see wealthy people standing in line waiting to buy lotto tickets. I don't care what people do. I DO care when I'm taxed to feed their kids while they can always scratch up money for lotto tickets, beer, and smokes.
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Post by fishy999 on Jan 11, 2016 21:44:32 GMT -5
And those people are idiots. Those are NOT the players I am "defending". I'm not condemning or defending anyone. I'm simply stating what I've seen. I don't see wealthy people standing in line waiting to buy lotto tickets. I don't care what people do. I DO care when I'm taxed to feed their kids while they can always scratch up money for lotto tickets, beer, and smokes. Where do you shop? Hate to burst your bubble, but most of the welfare people you seem to be worried about do not buy drugs, alcohol, lottery tickets, and smokes- they can barely afford food- don't think you can buy any of those items with food stamps anyway.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 11, 2016 21:46:51 GMT -5
I'm not condemning or defending anyone. I'm simply stating what I've seen. I don't see wealthy people standing in line waiting to buy lotto tickets. I don't care what people do. I DO care when I'm taxed to feed their kids while they can always scratch up money for lotto tickets, beer, and smokes. Where do you shop? Hate to burst your bubble, but most of the welfare people you seem to be worried about do not buy drugs, alcohol, lottery tickets, and smokes- they can barely afford food- don't think you can buy any of those items with food stamps anyway. No, but you can sell food stamps for pennies on the dollar to get money for these things. Perhaps this is just local to Tennessee and doesn't happen in the socialist utopia where you live.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 11, 2016 21:57:20 GMT -5
And those people are idiots. Those are NOT the players I am "defending". I'm not condemning or defending anyone. I'm simply stating what I've seen. I don't see wealthy people standing in line waiting to buy lotto tickets. I don't care what people do. I DO care when I'm taxed to feed their kids while they can always scratch up money for lotto tickets, beer, and smokes. Really because I remember recently 3 hedge funds managers winning the lottery Oh yeah there it is : dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/connecticut-asset-managers-win-254-million-powerball-lottery/?_r=0Maybe you need to shop elsewhere
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