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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 21:33:09 GMT -5
I buy a few times a year when it is fun like now. I'm ok with it. The majority of funds go to programs I support anyway I'm perfectly ok with my actions. I'm perfectly ok with you choosing different ones. I'm a little curious why you care so much what the rest of us do in this case? aj asked 'Screw it. Why not?' I answered her question. This is the discussion stemming from it. Really wasn't looking for it to be answered but its all good, in fact I didn't even put the question mark on it, you did. Also, last time I checked down there I was a dude.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 10, 2016 21:33:26 GMT -5
Every morning before work I get a large coffee black, dark roast: $2.34
By 10 AM I am usually done pissing it all out so I buy another cup of coffee (same thing) for $2.34
Yet I buy $2 ticket and I get to dream about being filthy rich for 24 to 48 hours...
So far I have gotten more enjoyment out of my $2 ticket purchased on Friday than the 6 cups of coffee I have purchased since then.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 10, 2016 21:46:34 GMT -5
Your odds of inheriting a windfall from a distant relative you never knew existed (or that you didn't know was wealthy) are significantly greater than your odds of winning a lottery jackpot, and you don't have to buy a ticket for that. Every time you feel the urge to buy a lottery ticket, toss the $2 into a "treat myself" jar that you empty twice a year, and spend a few minutes fantasizing about what you would do if your long lost great uncle Jake died and left you with $15 million in unencumbered assets. WOW I have a great chance of winning then. The only living relative is my son. No distant anybodies lurking around in my life. You have given me hope. I may make that 40 mile trip for ticket tomorrow. I need to go to the outlets anyway - two for one trip. I have to pass the outlets on the way to cross the state line. Spend it on your pet. You must have a dog or a cat. Buy them a treat or a toy and get a kick out of watching them play with it. Any time you feel compelled to play the lottery, toss the money into a jar. Wait until the jar is full and cash it in for $20s. Keep the money in a special place in your wallet, and the next time you get exemplary service at a restaurant, leave your usual tip plus all of your "lottery funds" and a note thanking the server for the great service. You'll make his/her week and not be a penny poorer for it. Or do you have a toilet? Fold your $1 bills into little paper boats, get your kids, and "race" the boats in the toilet. Start the toilet flushing and see whose boat makes it down the drain first. When you get on the bus, anonymously pay the fare of the next person to get on in advance then peek to see their reaction. That's a good feeling. You'd just be throwing the money away anyway, so you can do anything you want with it guilt-free. You even get to act a little rich and crazy for a while.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 10, 2016 21:48:59 GMT -5
aj asked 'Screw it. Why not?' I answered her question. This is the discussion stemming from it. Really wasn't looking for it to be answered but its all good, in fact I didn't even put the question mark on it, you did. Also, last time I checked down there I was a dude. I don't apologize to posters who don't indicate their gender in their profile.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 21:50:43 GMT -5
Really wasn't looking for it to be answered but its all good, in fact I didn't even put the question mark on it, you did. Also, last time I checked down there I was a dude. I don't apologize to posters who don't indicate their gender in their profile. Never asked for one, just informing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 21:55:15 GMT -5
Again, perfectly ok with my own choices... Don't need any ideas of what I should do instead. It's kind of like me giving you other option for that stick besides what you're currently using it for
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Post by TheHaitian on Jan 10, 2016 22:04:00 GMT -5
WOW I have a great chance of winning then. The only living relative is my son. No distant anybodies lurking around in my life. You have given me hope. I may make that 40 mile trip for ticket tomorrow. I need to go to the outlets anyway - two for one trip. I have to pass the outlets on the way to cross the state line. Spend it on your pet. You must have a dog or a cat. Buy them a treat or a toy and get a kick out of watching them play with it. Any time you feel compelled to play the lottery, toss the money into a jar. Wait until the jar is full and cash it in for $20s. Keep the money in a special place in your wallet, and the next time you get exemplary service at a restaurant, leave your usual tip plus all of your "lottery funds" and a note thanking the server for the great service. You'll make his/her week and not be a penny poorer for it. Or do you have a toilet? Fold your $1 bills into little paper boats, get your kids, and "race" the boats in the toilet. Start the toilet flushing and see whose boat makes it down the drain first. When you get on the bus, anonymously pay the fare of the next person to get on in advance then peek to see their reaction. That's a good feeling. You'd just be throwing the money away anyway, so you can do anything you want with it guilt-free. You even get to act a little rich and crazy for a while. Remind me of the story of the smoker and non smoker... Saving you the whole story and jumping to the conclusion : The non smoker basically tells the smoker : with all the money you spent on cigarettes along the years you could have bought a Ferrari. The smoker then ask the non smoker: so where is your Ferrari?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 10, 2016 22:12:30 GMT -5
Spend it on your pet. You must have a dog or a cat. Buy them a treat or a toy and get a kick out of watching them play with it. Any time you feel compelled to play the lottery, toss the money into a jar. Wait until the jar is full and cash it in for $20s. Keep the money in a special place in your wallet, and the next time you get exemplary service at a restaurant, leave your usual tip plus all of your "lottery funds" and a note thanking the server for the great service. You'll make his/her week and not be a penny poorer for it. Or do you have a toilet? Fold your $1 bills into little paper boats, get your kids, and "race" the boats in the toilet. Start the toilet flushing and see whose boat makes it down the drain first. When you get on the bus, anonymously pay the fare of the next person to get on in advance then peek to see their reaction. That's a good feeling. You'd just be throwing the money away anyway, so you can do anything you want with it guilt-free. You even get to act a little rich and crazy for a while. Remind me of the story of the smoker and non smoker... Saving you the whole story and jumping to the conclusion : The non smoker basically tells the smoker : with all the money you spent on cigarettes along the years you could have bought a Ferrari. The smoker then ask the non smoker: so where is your Ferrari? "Um, we're driving in it," replies the non-smoker. "You didn't think we were taking a joy ride in a stolen car did you?" "No," the smoker says dourly and slouches in his seat. "I just... I wish I hadn't pissed away all my money on cigarettes. Man, I need a smoke."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 22:14:06 GMT -5
Why would you waste money on a Ferrari when a used Honda will do?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 22:14:33 GMT -5
I agree that $100 on lottery is stupid for the person that can barely afford food.
But for the person with a few "disposable dollars", there's nothing wrong with a couple of bucks every now and then thrown the way of the lottery. And even if you don't win "The Big One"... you might win enough to take the spouse out to dinner. The odds of match 3+PB or match 4(without PB) are a lot better (1 in 36,525.17 for match 3+PB, 1 in 14,494.11 for match 4)... and the payout on them is $100.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 10, 2016 22:29:21 GMT -5
Why would you waste money on a Ferrari when a used Honda will do? Why would somebody who doesn't want or need others' opinions persist in provoking them?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 22:47:52 GMT -5
the whole point of C's joke was we all spend money on some crap or other that someone things is stupid... even if it does manage to be a Ferrari...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 11, 2016 0:05:58 GMT -5
the lottery is a tax on the poor, imo. a tax on the hopeless. i don't get it.
my wife emailed me the other day and asked if she should buy a lotto ticket. i didn't even reply to her.
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I believe you underestimate the intelligence of some lottery players (I won't say there aren't SOME that fit that description though). Speaking only for myself, I know exactly how long the odds are. I just don't care. The odds may be ALMOST impossible... but what are the odds of winning if you don't play at all? Hmmmm?
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Post by gracendignity on Jan 11, 2016 9:00:04 GMT -5
Virgil, just out curiosity--you appear vehemently opposed to the lottery and feel anyone who buys even 1 ticket is a total fool. I have no problem with that, but I do wonder....if Mrs. Virgil had bought a ticket, and if she had been a big winner, how would you handle that? How would you avoid benefitting from her foolishness in wasting $2 on a ticket? Or if a relative won and wanted to share the wealth with you?
I'm not trying to be confrontational here. I have posted this same question on other message boards to people who have the same anti-lottery mentally because I'm genuinely curious.
In the sake of full disclosure--I occasionally buy a lottery ticket. I never go out of my way to do so, and since I have to physically enter my local store to buy one, most of the time I don't bother. When the pot gets obscenely big I tend NOT to buy a ticket because I can't imagine trying to manage such a huge sum of money. However, I don't smoke, drink alcohol, do illicit drugs. I don't have cablevision and my cell phone plan is currently free to me. I do quilt but that is a push in the spending department because most of my quilts are gifts or for charity. So...if from time to time I drop $2 on a little fantasy--money which I pull out of the cash from my purse--then I'm all fine with it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 11, 2016 9:22:52 GMT -5
Does Canada have a lottery Virgil? I don't believed we have a national lottery, no. We do have more provincial and privately-run lotteries than you can shake a stick at. As DJ suggests, the government uses them to tax the poor. Speaking only for myself, I know exactly how long the odds are. I just don't care. The odds may be ALMOST impossible... but what are the odds of winning if you don't play at all? Hmmmm? Zero. But if you based other decisions on a binary "Is it possible or not?" rather than the probability of occurrence, your life would quickly descend into the absurd. Ignoring the odds is irrational.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jan 11, 2016 9:33:50 GMT -5
I believe you underestimate the intelligence of some lottery players (I won't say there aren't SOME that fit that description though). Speaking only for myself, I know exactly how long the odds are. I just don't care. The odds may be ALMOST impossible... but what are the odds of winning if you don't play at all? Hmmmm? The odds are exactly same if you round to 8 digits right of the decimal point.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 11, 2016 9:46:52 GMT -5
WOW I have a great chance of winning then. The only living relative is my son. No distant anybodies lurking around in my life. You have given me hope. I may make that 40 mile trip for ticket tomorrow. I need to go to the outlets anyway - two for one trip. I have to pass the outlets on the way to cross the state line. Spend it on your pet. NO PETYou must have a dog or a cat. Buy them a treat or a toy and get a kick out of watching them play with it. NO CAT OR DOG PROBABLY WHY I HAVE MONEY TO SPEND ON TICKETS WHEN I WANT TOO.Any time you feel compelled to play the lottery, toss the money into a jar. Wait until the jar is full and cash it in for $20s. Keep the money in a special place in your wallet, and the next time you get exemplary service at a restaurant, leave your usual tip plus all of your "lottery funds" and a note thanking the server for the great service. You'll make his/her week and not be a penny poorer for it. I EAT OUT SO MUCH THERE WOULDN'T BE MUCH OF A BUILD UP OF "LOTTERY FUNDS" AND I TIP EXTRA FOR GOOD SERVICE.Or do you have a toilet? Fold your $1 bills into little paper boats, get your kids, and "race" the boats in the toilet. Start the toilet flushing and see whose boat makes it down the drain first. MY SON IS PUSHING 50 BUT I'LL CHECK WITH HIM THE NEXT TIME I GET THE $5'S OUT TO RACE - HECK HE'LL PROBABLY COME OVER WITH $10 AND TRY TO OUT DO ME!! OH AND NO GRANDKIDS SO DON'T TRY TO GO THERE.When you get on the bus, anonymously pay the fare of the next person to get on in advance then peek to see their reaction. That's a good feeling. I HAVEN'T BEEN ON A BUS (PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION) SINCE I WAS 18 AND WON'T BE STARTING THAT AGAIN. THAT IS WHY I HAVE A PAID FOR CAR.You'd just be throwing the money away anyway, so you can do anything you want with it guilt-free. You even get to act a little rich and crazy for a while. HAVE NEVER FELT GUILTY BUYING TICKETS OR PLAYING THE SLOTS. MY HARD EARNED MONEY AND MY CHOICE. AND BETTER YET I DON'T HAVE A LIVING SOUL I HAVE TO ANSWER TO ABOUT HOW I SPEND IT
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 11, 2016 9:47:06 GMT -5
Because i) it's a waste of time and money, and ii) even in the ridiculously unlikely event that you win, if your net income is currently greater than 33,000.00 USD per year, it's an established fact that your overall happiness one year after winning the jackpot will (on average) be equal to or lower than your current level of happiness. Probably true, but how many Canadians crossed the border to buy tickets last week, to fulfill those dreams? I imagine they stocked up on cigarettes, beer, and booze while here too. Do the Mounties pop the trunks on the return entry point?
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 11, 2016 9:49:45 GMT -5
I bought some tickets today while grocery shopping. There was one lady in front of me and no one behind me. Maybe DH will get some later this week I like thinking about what I would do with the funds, besides changing my phone number and address. I might turn it into $1s and play Scrooge McDuck for a while before actually doing something sensible. Don't you have to turn it into coinage to play Scrooge McDuck?
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 11, 2016 9:56:19 GMT -5
Had to go to the store for milk at 7:30 am this morning. Seven people in line buying lottery tickets. All looked like they were retired....... We know where the social security checks are being spent this month. Not sure if I will waste $2 this week. I unfortunately bought one ticket last week, and had no numbers. I think this week's decision is into Virgil's cookie jar. Unless it rolls over one more time........
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 11, 2016 9:59:47 GMT -5
the lottery is a tax on the poor, imo. a tax on the hopeless. i don't get it. my wife emailed me the other day and asked if she should buy a lotto ticket. i didn't even reply to her. Guess this explains why I'm divorced. I would never dream that I had to ask permission to spend $2 on a lotto ticket. Not even sure there was a lottery when I was married but I still wouldn't have had to ask permission But everyone is different and I respect that difference.
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Does Canada have a lottery Virgil? I don't believed we have a national lottery, no. We do have more provincial and privately-run lotteries than you can shake a stick at. As DJ suggests, the government uses them to tax the poor. Speaking only for myself, I know exactly how long the odds are. I just don't care. The odds may be ALMOST impossible... but what are the odds of winning if you don't play at all? Hmmmm? Zero. But if you based other decisions on a binary "Is it possible or not?" rather than the probability of occurrence, your life would quickly descend into the absurd. Ignoring the odds is irrational. You just don't get it Virgil, we know/understand the odds and don't care. I'm sure if we had a list of your 2015 expenditures we could find some irrational purchases that you enjoy but for us would have no meaning and that is perfectly fine, if a person can afford their bills they can spend their extra money as they see fit despite the odds of a return. I threw $10 in the state slots yesterday while waiting on a pizza and won, $310, so boom, there is another 155 powerball tix for next drawing if I so choose!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 11, 2016 10:07:12 GMT -5
Virgil, just out curiosity--you appear vehemently opposed to the lottery and feel anyone who buys even 1 ticket is a total fool. I have no problem with that, but I do wonder....if Mrs. Virgil had bought a ticket, and if she had been a big winner, how would you handle that? How would you avoid benefitting from her foolishness in wasting $2 on a ticket? Or if a relative won and wanted to share the wealth with you? I'd have to turn the money down. The winner could spend it as they saw fit. There's a bit of gray area there. For example: would I turn down a pricier-than-usual birthday gift from a relative? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost gourmet meal? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost family cruise? It depends. I wouldn't want to cut a family member out of my life. I'd probably consult the ministry of my church for advice or for a judgment. I'm not making a moral case against playing the lottery in this thread. I'm just pointing out that it's a waste of money. I know people experience a brief high when purchasing or checking a ticket, but I'd argue there are ways of experiencing better highs for longer for the cost of a lottery ticket. It's an academic argument. Get people to think and question their rituals.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 11, 2016 10:11:39 GMT -5
Virgil, just out curiosity--you appear vehemently opposed to the lottery and feel anyone who buys even 1 ticket is a total fool. I have no problem with that, but I do wonder....if Mrs. Virgil had bought a ticket, and if she had been a big winner, how would you handle that? How would you avoid benefitting from her foolishness in wasting $2 on a ticket? Or if a relative won and wanted to share the wealth with you? I'd have to turn the money down. The winner could spend it as they saw fit. There's a bit of gray area there. For example: would I turn down a pricier-than-usual birthday gift from a relative? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost gourmet meal? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost family cruise? It depends. I wouldn't want to cut a family member out of my life. I'd probably consult the ministry of my church for advice or for a judgment. I'm not making a moral case against playing the lottery in this thread. I'm just pointing out that it's a waste of money. I know people experience a brief high when purchasing or checking a ticket, but I'd argue there are ways of experiencing better highs for longer for the cost of a lottery ticket. It's an academic argument. Get people to think and question their rituals. It always does!!!!
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 11, 2016 10:16:13 GMT -5
Guess this explains why I'm divorced. I would never dream that I had to ask permission to spend $2 on a lotto ticket. Not even sure there was a lottery when I was married but I still wouldn't have had to ask permission But everyone is different and I respect that difference. I think my wife asked me the same question. I didn't take it that she was "asking permission". I figured she was asking more to get my opinion, because she rationally knows it's silly, but thought maybe it would be fun. No big deal. Two. Dollars. Did you ignore her - I'm betting you gave some reply like above.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 11, 2016 10:18:05 GMT -5
You just don't get it Virgil, we know/understand the odds and don't care. I'm sure if we had a list of your 2015 expenditures we could find some irrational purchases that you enjoy but for us would have no meaning and that is perfectly fine, if a person can afford their bills they can spend their extra money as they see fit despite the odds of a return. I threw $10 in the state slots yesterday while waiting on a pizza and won, $310, so boom, there is another 155 powerball tix for next drawing if I so choose! Nobody is saying you can't buy a lottery ticket. Nobody is saying you shouldn't spend money on things you enjoy. What I am saying is that if you enjoy buying lottery tickets because of the high you get from the potential of winning, then it's either a potent high, in which case you lack a rational perception of what your odds are, or it isn't a potent high, in which case there are many other things you can blow $2.00 on that will net you more overall enjoyment. Those are the only two options. This community prides itself on being rational and money-wise, and that's who the message is for.
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Virgil, just out curiosity--you appear vehemently opposed to the lottery and feel anyone who buys even 1 ticket is a total fool. I have no problem with that, but I do wonder....if Mrs. Virgil had bought a ticket, and if she had been a big winner, how would you handle that? How would you avoid benefitting from her foolishness in wasting $2 on a ticket? Or if a relative won and wanted to share the wealth with you? I'd have to turn the money down. The winner could spend it as they saw fit. There's a bit of gray area there. For example: would I turn down a pricier-than-usual birthday gift from a relative? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost gourmet meal? Would I turn down an invitation to a no-cost family cruise? It depends. I wouldn't want to cut a family member out of my life. I'd probably consult the ministry of my church for advice or for a judgment. I'm not making a moral case against playing the lottery in this thread. I'm just pointing out that it's a waste of money. I know people experience a brief high when purchasing or checking a ticket, but I'd argue there are ways of experiencing better highs for longer for the cost of a lottery ticket. It's an academic argument. Get people to think and question their rituals. [ I guess I'm a little confused? Why would you turn down the money or trip, etc?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 10:21:06 GMT -5
So, you're not saying don't spend money on things you want to and enjoy... Just that people who want or enjoy this are obviously wrong in doing so
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